oooh, interesting! Cold Steel's only been on Zephyr so far, so makes sense that the enhanced version would be under the radar. Will be doubly interesting for the inevitable Cold Steel caster frame...
This would not work. Adaptive and Vortex frames both propel you forward on heavy attack. Caster frames do this but to a much lesser extend. So no, a caster frame with eager edge would not send you forward any more than the other two.
@@KrovetThanks for the input I am now aware of my mistake and will no longer ask for a Caster frame sword with the eager edge perk. Although nothing will stop me, I will be a projectile
Slammer having BnS and still being a bad damage weapon really seems to be calling attention to how much help the frame needs on that front. When you're out here getting outDPSed by Vorpal Riiswalker something seems wrong. At the very least they really gotta pull in the ammo economy on that heavy attack and probably buff its damage too (light attack spam is almost twice as much total damage for barely any DPS loss LOL)
Yeah, adaptive frame swords shouldn't be the best archetype for both total damage and DPS. It'd be cool if vortex frames got a big damage buff to account for their lacking ammo economy from the heavy attack, so that it can at least be better for DPS, while still leaving adaptives being better for longer damage phases.
Eh I don't think that it needs to be up there in damage. BnS exists to get it within pissing distance of other swords but ultimately Vortex frames for single target DPS lived and died with the Falling Guillotine. I don't think that they were ever meant to be used for damage vs other swords in that same way. I think having Vortex and Caster frames being something that's more utility focused while the other swords frames being more single target focused is healthier for the game and each sword identity. That said Adaptives I think are objectively too strong. Vortex for groups of adds (and high burst), Caster for ranged safety utility (and mid burst), Adaptive for total damage, and lightweight for DPS would be something closer to what I would probably want to see. And then let perks kind of fill in those gaps but never as good as the frame meant for that job.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 Let's be real here though, you're not going to be using a sword to mow down groups of ads in most situations. If you wanna do heavy ammo ad-clear, then you use a MG like Commemoration or Song of Ir Yut. I just want there to be a better reason to use other sword archetypes. You wanna be more ammo efficient for boss DPS? Use an adaptive. You're in a much shorter damage phase encounter? Use a vortex or some other kind of sword that isn't an adaptive. It gets boring when all you see for sword DPS in encounters like Crota are Bequests and Laments. At least with Throne Cleaver, there's a specific trait combo that can actually out DPS Bequest, but at the cost of some ammo economy, and you have a different combo to do for DPS that isn't just spamming light attacks. THIS is what I want from vortex frames, not raw damage kings, but good for short DPS phases.
What it is is a more accessible option for a DPS sword without needing to worry about trying to proc Surrounded. It doesn't have to be the best, just good enough.
This video wins a sub from me - i just got adept eager edge + cold steel + master guard + tempered edge after many LFGs , i was going for a bait and switch one but i think i can rest now , thanks for the video brother 👋🏼
I've been playing with Chain reaction/demo on an Osmio Warlock with ice flair/bleakwatchers. With whisper of shards/chains/refraction, you gain enough damage resist and grenade/class ability energy to survive quite well in mid to high end content
As a strongholds main in grandmasters, this thing opens up so many possibilities for my loadouts, as harassing champions while my fireteam kills them is already my job. Tack on the fact that I can cover 2 champs and heal myself on stun and this thing is ideal now.
I want to add that since it's a stasis sword, one of the advantages it has over its void/arc brothers is that stasis hunters can just run 3x harmonic reserves for even more ammo and run a stasis special to pair such as conditional finality, ager's scepter, new pacific epitath etc. and clear up the energy slot for very strong weapons this season such as sunshot or polaris lance :)
This video was extremely well made, I’d expect this level of quality from someone with millions of subs not 20k. I wish I could sub multiple times but I can’t. I’m gonna send this video to my friends so hopefully they sub as well
Chain reaction + cold steel do work nicely, it’s almost like an Ager Scepter’s at home. With that said, I would still want the eager edge + cold steel roll
I’ve been using a chain reaction/cold steel roll in legend dares and it’s been super fun to use. Been running stasis hunter and everything gets frozen lol.
I’m still farming for my eager edge cold steel roll. Did get one with eager edge and demo and an eager edge bait n switch which will hang in my vault just in case vortex frames get meaningful buffs someday.
I just like the sword because it's really pretty, especially with Argent Teratorn or Spark of Joy shaders :3 But hey, having a strong anti-champ sword is really nice to see, especially one that's available far more often than Zephyr.
Mine has Eager’s and Permeability and it defaults to strand… shows it stasis but on UI it’s strand and does strand damage. I have to proc permeability to make it stasis 🤦🏻♀️ Permeability is bugged on it for some reason.
OH doesn't have B&S that's 30% damage instead of 15%. Gambit is niche but any player that actually knows how to gambit will always use a 12pShotgun,Sniper,EagerS to cover everything. Use the combo if you need gambit guns in double infamy.@@life-destiny1196
Honestly I don't even know that you need Sword masters on this. Realistically the vortex heavy isn't worth using in damage or for slow stacks imo. It's main use is going to be for either add clear or to apply the initial 60 stacks to then follow with a light. Once youre in melee range though? 6 ammo for 60 stacks vs 3 ammo for 3 light attacks for 120 stacks, it's probably better to be doing lights the rest of the time. There's almost never a need to get a full charge back for this sword imo since you're likely not going to be weaving in heavies all that much. At least that's my take on it. Personally I'd maybe rather Balanced Guard or Burst for some situations where you need that extra defense to either engage or disengage.
idk of its just me but i found it more forgiving to switch weapons immediately after skating not to consume ammo dont know if its just a placebo but it helped me
Oh yeah, friendly reminder folks: be careful about damage testing on Carl, as like other Y1 lost sector bosses he's not actually coded as a boss (unless that was fixed relatively recently). certain weapons that do more/less damage on bosses won't scale identically versus something like Templar. That said, I'm sure Llama knows that, and in this case it's probably fine since we're looking at just a few options on the same gun relative to each other.
@thesonicfanboi4195 to be fair, a lot of people seen The Other Half as the best legendary sword in the game purely for eager edge until people realised bequest was amazing
naw, still chase a dmg roll. cause bungie could buff vortex frames heavy attack by 17% at base and light attack by 20% at base tomorrow. then all of a sudden every body wants a good dmg roll but you can’t relate because you secured yours already. “Even if the whole is telling you to move, it’s your job to plant yourself like a tree and say ‘no … you move.’ “
Yeah, I don't get this mentality of "don't bother with a damage roll". It wouldn't be the first time a new weapon has been released and it brought the weakness of the archetype to Bungie's attention - then they proceed to buff said archetype. So grab one with the hope Bungie buffs, and if they don't it's no loss on you.
@@UndeadCheetahIts no loss to you? Except for the time you lost farming lmao. Hoping for some insane damage buff makes no sense. Especially with how scarce sword dps is even relevant.
You say demolitionist can be good for getting your grenade back, but what about chain reaction with demo? Wouldn’t that be even better? If it works with cold steel, I’d imagine it works with demo as well!
even though it isnt a pure damage pumping weapon, i think bait and switch is still fine for more roam focused content. it adds some damage to an otherwise weak weapon type and it would be nice to not have to switch between weapons then you want to do some decent damage in the easier content in the game. ofc cold steel is for stunning but its rare that you can get in the face of unstops and get a freeze off before they stomp your face in. unless youre in a coordinated team and freeze them while they are on CD until their stun window is up again.
@@thallek i did. this is not a damage sword. any damage perk is is simply a waste. dont waste precious heavy when you can burst down more efficiently with special. you're using this for movement too, every swing is precious
@ckruberducky there's no activity in the game where you need to worry about sword ammo economy like that. You're doing something wrong if you are. Having cold steel doesn't effect your ammo economy. In fact it makes it worse. Why would you use heavy just to stun when there are more ammo efficient and quicker ways to stun? If that's your worry in the first place it makes no sense. Movement+damage is better than movement+no damage. When the game is littered with ways to get heavy. Whether it's thru rally, cenotaph, or the activity just having boxes of heavy for free. Especially when skating is free lol.
@@thallek what other weapon would you possibly use for movement? it frees up your other slots so you can focus on burst or add clear and stay fast.... the point is this is our ONLY option to stun and shmove while freeing up both other slots for better damage options rather than champs. If you're not in a boss fight, a movement option is usually a great choice. also this isnt a damage sword. thats really the only point i need. both other eager swords are better to craft for damage if you want movement and damage. like i keep saying, its not a damage sword
All helpful, but I wish people would stop comparing this to lament and bequest - obviously they are going to be better. Id rather see a comparison to goldtusk and a regular adaptive sword with good perks.
Yeah I'm not using this sword in nightfalls lol I'm cool with bait it pairs well with finality and riptide anyways. At the end of the day its other half with a better damage perk
So would the new Falling Guillotine be able to compete damage wise with Frenzy/Bait and switch? Or will the math just straight up be: Bequest 19% more, Frenzy 15% buff, Falling still lacking by 4%?
Since when does Demolitionist work on Multikill? Im pretty sure when salvagers salvo came out its biggest problem was that even if you get a multikill, it only procs demo once. Did they change this or is this exclusively for swords this way?
@@ixodesricinus3001 bubbles come back fast enough to have fun with it, you just have to be conservative and use it when You need rather than when you want to. And while the adaptive frames are slightly faster for light swings, the light swings on the slammer are more than serviceable.
I've done 43 night falls, and not one single sword. This weapons does no exist for me. Can't do grandmaster cause I'm apparently garbage and none of my friends wanna try so have fun with it guys!
Permeability won't pair with Cold Steel since they're in the same column, and it would take setting up your class ability at the right moments without swapping. But I like your enthusiasm, I won't deny that.
Just put on the lion rampants catapult lift and the other half. unless you're going really long distances It's not that much slower, but is WAYYYYY more recoverable. Throw in a grapple to reset your jump if you mess the timing up and you can fly forever
I just want to stop and appreciate you for making videos concise without repetitively yapping for minutes and digressing for every new bit of info like some other youtubers do.
"despite it having bait and switch, it still isn't enough to be competitive" bro you're comparing it to lament and a sword with surrounded its not gonna beat out the zero-setup god or the perk that requires teammates to not kill everything
The 2 swords that he compared them to aren’t even competitive damage options themselves so if this one is worse then why would you realistically use it for damage
@@warv6552 idk bro I just like using swords, idgaf if I'm not like izi swapping or doing bait and switch apex predator I like the guns that deal more damage than thunderlord and don't need too much setup, preferable if they aren't exotic so I can have fun with my build
Not every heavy weapon has to be a dps monster. This is the best utility sword in the game. Stuns champs, and gives fun movement options. Can roll with basically all the best sword perks except surrounded, which can be pretty tough to proc anyway. Its a great sword.
I'm sorry to hear this Cody, but part of the RUclips game is making sure your content doesn't stagnate and become same-y, which is why I'm dipping my toes into more medium length content, whether you like it or not.
Good to mention, Enhanced Cold Steel increases ammo reserves, it's gonna be better when we gain access to enhance our Adepts in TFS release.
oooh, interesting! Cold Steel's only been on Zephyr so far, so makes sense that the enhanced version would be under the radar. Will be doubly interesting for the inevitable Cold Steel caster frame...
Most likely won’t be just adepts
Pls somebody tell me are all adept weapons from this season capable of enhanced or just the new ones the the slammer and that doble fire gl?
@@felipebetanzo6011just the new 2 are known to be enhanceable at the moment
@@carnage9536 thanks
Now we need a caster frame with eager edge (You become the projectile)
isn’t that just worldline zero
This would not work. Adaptive and Vortex frames both propel you forward on heavy attack. Caster frames do this but to a much lesser extend. So no, a caster frame with eager edge would not send you forward any more than the other two.
@@Krovetbut you dont understand you become the projectile
@@KrovetThanks for the input I am now aware of my mistake and will no longer ask for a Caster frame sword with the eager edge perk. Although nothing will stop me, I will be a projectile
LMAO
Slammer having BnS and still being a bad damage weapon really seems to be calling attention to how much help the frame needs on that front. When you're out here getting outDPSed by Vorpal Riiswalker something seems wrong. At the very least they really gotta pull in the ammo economy on that heavy attack and probably buff its damage too (light attack spam is almost twice as much total damage for barely any DPS loss LOL)
Yeah, adaptive frame swords shouldn't be the best archetype for both total damage and DPS. It'd be cool if vortex frames got a big damage buff to account for their lacking ammo economy from the heavy attack, so that it can at least be better for DPS, while still leaving adaptives being better for longer damage phases.
Falling Guillotine was *that* doninant that they nerfed the frame by so much.
Eh I don't think that it needs to be up there in damage. BnS exists to get it within pissing distance of other swords but ultimately Vortex frames for single target DPS lived and died with the Falling Guillotine. I don't think that they were ever meant to be used for damage vs other swords in that same way.
I think having Vortex and Caster frames being something that's more utility focused while the other swords frames being more single target focused is healthier for the game and each sword identity.
That said Adaptives I think are objectively too strong. Vortex for groups of adds (and high burst), Caster for ranged safety utility (and mid burst), Adaptive for total damage, and lightweight for DPS would be something closer to what I would probably want to see.
And then let perks kind of fill in those gaps but never as good as the frame meant for that job.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 Let's be real here though, you're not going to be using a sword to mow down groups of ads in most situations. If you wanna do heavy ammo ad-clear, then you use a MG like Commemoration or Song of Ir Yut. I just want there to be a better reason to use other sword archetypes. You wanna be more ammo efficient for boss DPS? Use an adaptive. You're in a much shorter damage phase encounter? Use a vortex or some other kind of sword that isn't an adaptive. It gets boring when all you see for sword DPS in encounters like Crota are Bequests and Laments. At least with Throne Cleaver, there's a specific trait combo that can actually out DPS Bequest, but at the cost of some ammo economy, and you have a different combo to do for DPS that isn't just spamming light attacks. THIS is what I want from vortex frames, not raw damage kings, but good for short DPS phases.
The video casuals NEED to see.
This isn't a dps monster
I think people remember how good Guillotine was during beyond light and just want to relive that.
For now. Grabbing it once the inevitable vortex buff hits is a very smart choice. Think ahead casual
Surrounded is better than bns so... @DiscoDevil197
@@CarpetFTWand even more niche to activate. Other then the first boss in GoTD or crota it won’t be active
What it is is a more accessible option for a DPS sword without needing to worry about trying to proc Surrounded. It doesn't have to be the best, just good enough.
This video wins a sub from me
- i just got adept eager edge + cold steel + master guard + tempered edge after many LFGs , i was going for a bait and switch one but i think i can rest now , thanks for the video brother 👋🏼
Thanks man, I do appreciate it!
I did one GM, which allowed me to focus it at Zavala and managed to snag cold steel + eager edge. No more corrupted farming for me
lucky, ive cleared 20 times but still havent got the eager cold steel roll yet, but atleast this is my fav gm so i wont get bored
@@joels.1105 It wasn't too bad but it just takes very long. Also make sure to go to Zavala every 10 cyphers
I've been playing with Chain reaction/demo on an Osmio Warlock with ice flair/bleakwatchers. With whisper of shards/chains/refraction, you gain enough damage resist and grenade/class ability energy to survive quite well in mid to high end content
Sounds like a fun build!
THe very first roll I got was the exact Chain Reaction + Cold Steel I wanted most.
I dont get why people post comments like these. Cool? No one cares.
@@Rain-uw3cp Apparently YOU cared enough to reply :P
@@michaelsparks1571 Fair enough
As a strongholds main in grandmasters, this thing opens up so many possibilities for my loadouts, as harassing champions while my fireteam kills them is already my job. Tack on the fact that I can cover 2 champs and heal myself on stun and this thing is ideal now.
Even more so now, with laments incoming funeral
Will you make a movement guide video on the different skates? That would be super cool
theres hundreds of guides on skating and movement tech. gmeiners literally has one covering everything
Perhaps
I want to add that since it's a stasis sword, one of the advantages it has over its void/arc brothers is that stasis hunters can just run 3x harmonic reserves for even more ammo and run a stasis special to pair such as conditional finality, ager's scepter, new pacific epitath etc. and clear up the energy slot for very strong weapons this season such as sunshot or polaris lance :)
Adding more than one copy of reserves does nothing cuz the MAX ammo is 70 apparently. I tested every mod and perk and 70 is the max
@@MikeysGainz420 damn that kinda sucks :/
Got so many rolls but can't seem to get cold steel + eager 😴
yeah this sword cooks. helps that the corrupted is fun to run through with skate routes
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This video was extremely well made, I’d expect this level of quality from someone with millions of subs not 20k. I wish I could sub multiple times but I can’t. I’m gonna send this video to my friends so hopefully they sub as well
Thank you for the kind words, appreciate it!
Another good thing about cold steel is that heavy weapons deal bonus damage to frozen targets. It could be used as a support weapon.
I think I got my personal adept god roll, eager edge/ chain reaction, and cold steel
Chain reaction + cold steel do work nicely, it’s almost like an Ager Scepter’s at home.
With that said, I would still want the eager edge + cold steel roll
On multiple occasions I have been able to freeze a target with a single heavy attack. While not entirely consistent, it is worth noting.
You forgot to mention Cold-Steel pairs with Torch, one of this season artifact perks.
I’ve been using a chain reaction/cold steel roll in legend dares and it’s been super fun to use. Been running stasis hunter and everything gets frozen lol.
I’m still farming for my eager edge cold steel roll. Did get one with eager edge and demo and an eager edge bait n switch which will hang in my vault just in case vortex frames get meaningful buffs someday.
I have a non adept Enduring/Eager/Demo roll right now that I'm holding onto but still on the hunt for the adept.
I just like the sword because it's really pretty, especially with Argent Teratorn or Spark of Joy shaders :3
But hey, having a strong anti-champ sword is really nice to see, especially one that's available far more often than Zephyr.
I been heavy attacking w cold steel to freeze champs really appreciate this vid a lot. also adept impact seems illusive to me of its intended purpose.
Mine has Eager’s and Permeability and it defaults to strand… shows it stasis but on UI it’s strand and does strand damage. I have to proc permeability to make it stasis 🤦🏻♀️
Permeability is bugged on it for some reason.
Yeah I heard that, very odd.
im still sad about slammer giving only 10% nade energy per kill with demo
True was hoping it was gonna be 20% but nop :(
When you said you’ll be maining the slammer you should have had it equipped on the next emote 😂
eager edge + bait and switch for the perfect gambit movement + invader + boss dps weapon
just use Other Half
OH doesn't have B&S that's 30% damage instead of 15%.
Gambit is niche but any player that actually knows how to gambit will always use a 12pShotgun,Sniper,EagerS to cover everything.
Use the combo if you need gambit guns in double infamy.@@life-destiny1196
Honestly I don't even know that you need Sword masters on this. Realistically the vortex heavy isn't worth using in damage or for slow stacks imo. It's main use is going to be for either add clear or to apply the initial 60 stacks to then follow with a light. Once youre in melee range though? 6 ammo for 60 stacks vs 3 ammo for 3 light attacks for 120 stacks, it's probably better to be doing lights the rest of the time. There's almost never a need to get a full charge back for this sword imo since you're likely not going to be weaving in heavies all that much.
At least that's my take on it. Personally I'd maybe rather Balanced Guard or Burst for some situations where you need that extra defense to either engage or disengage.
For more skates, otherwise true
My main champion one has relentless strikes and cold steel it’s great cause the 1 free ammo can finish off that last of a champs health
note on permiability, my perm sword is broken, it is stand damage even though I'm on solar
I got a chain reaction demo one. Seems cool but idk if I should keep it.
idk of its just me but i found it more forgiving to switch weapons immediately after skating not to consume ammo
dont know if its just a placebo but it helped me
Oh yeah, friendly reminder folks: be careful about damage testing on Carl, as like other Y1 lost sector bosses he's not actually coded as a boss (unless that was fixed relatively recently). certain weapons that do more/less damage on bosses won't scale identically versus something like Templar.
That said, I'm sure Llama knows that, and in this case it's probably fine since we're looking at just a few options on the same gun relative to each other.
Yeah, he's just easy for comparisons. I use Templar for all other stuff, and yeah actually Carl takes more damage from Boss Spec now.
I’ve never been one to like eager edge but now I do 😂
Whats not to like
we will be able to inhance eager edge with the release of the final shape, so this is the best sword in the game
It's probably going to be power crept by something in TFS anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
*Just not for damage
@@thesonicfanboibait and switch makes it pretty good, but less good than Bequest + Surrounded and Lament
@thesonicfanboi4195 to be fair, a lot of people seen The Other Half as the best legendary sword in the game purely for eager edge until people realised bequest was amazing
I got a Jagged/Swordmaster/Eager/Cold Steel roll. I'm done farming.
HOLY CAMERA SHAKE
i miss when vortex where good for damage
same :(
The very first Slammer I got, was a 4/5.
Enduring / Eager w/optional Chain React / Cold Steel. It's just missing Swordmasters Guard. Really irks me
naw, still chase a dmg roll. cause bungie could buff vortex frames heavy attack by 17% at base and light attack by 20% at base tomorrow. then all of a sudden every body wants a good dmg roll but you can’t relate because you secured yours already. “Even if the whole is telling you to move, it’s your job to plant yourself like a tree and say ‘no … you move.’ “
Yeah, I don't get this mentality of "don't bother with a damage roll". It wouldn't be the first time a new weapon has been released and it brought the weakness of the archetype to Bungie's attention - then they proceed to buff said archetype.
So grab one with the hope Bungie buffs, and if they don't it's no loss on you.
@@UndeadCheetahIts no loss to you? Except for the time you lost farming lmao. Hoping for some insane damage buff makes no sense. Especially with how scarce sword dps is even relevant.
Dude ima go for like 4 to 6 roles I just love vortex because they don't wif and just fun
Dude ima go for like 4 to 6 roles I just love vortex because they don't wif and just fun ( got about 35k kills on my guillotine)
Hey llama, great stuff! What is that ending song?
That's a track from Destiny 1, it's called "The Hope"
Time to replace The Other Half in the talking portions :)
Yes, I think I'm going to wait until I can slap the trials memento on it tho, would look nicer in gold!
You say demolitionist can be good for getting your grenade back, but what about chain reaction with demo? Wouldn’t that be even better? If it works with cold steel, I’d imagine it works with demo as well!
even though it isnt a pure damage pumping weapon, i think bait and switch is still fine for more roam focused content. it adds some damage to an otherwise weak weapon type and it would be nice to not have to switch between weapons then you want to do some decent damage in the easier content in the game. ofc cold steel is for stunning but its rare that you can get in the face of unstops and get a freeze off before they stomp your face in. unless youre in a coordinated team and freeze them while they are on CD until their stun window is up again.
no... its for stunning and movement. freeze then shotty to the face. special ammo is one finisher away
@@ckruberducky please read
@@thallek i did. this is not a damage sword. any damage perk is is simply a waste. dont waste precious heavy when you can burst down more efficiently with special. you're using this for movement too, every swing is precious
@ckruberducky there's no activity in the game where you need to worry about sword ammo economy like that. You're doing something wrong if you are. Having cold steel doesn't effect your ammo economy. In fact it makes it worse. Why would you use heavy just to stun when there are more ammo efficient and quicker ways to stun? If that's your worry in the first place it makes no sense. Movement+damage is better than movement+no damage. When the game is littered with ways to get heavy. Whether it's thru rally, cenotaph, or the activity just having boxes of heavy for free. Especially when skating is free lol.
@@thallek what other weapon would you possibly use for movement? it frees up your other slots so you can focus on burst or add clear and stay fast.... the point is this is our ONLY option to stun and shmove while freeing up both other slots for better damage options rather than champs. If you're not in a boss fight, a movement option is usually a great choice. also this isnt a damage sword. thats really the only point i need. both other eager swords are better to craft for damage if you want movement and damage. like i keep saying, its not a damage sword
SCHMOOVINNN
Waste of heavy ammo for a little better skate and a worse slight swipe
Doesnt waste ammo less you dont have the skill. Slight swipe gets better in final shape. BETTER
@@B3lmontsaga let's see your raid in trials report let's see your 11 Ron when your oob
And people were arguing with me that max ammo is more important than max damage.
All helpful, but I wish people would stop comparing this to lament and bequest - obviously they are going to be better. Id rather see a comparison to goldtusk and a regular adaptive sword with good perks.
How is ground skating done?
Easiest way is to set jump to scroll wheel down/up, then the inputs are scroll, left click, jump, shatterdive/super in a set rythmn
Commenting to boost the algorithm so he can get the sub goal he deserves :)
Appreciate it ✊
The first roll i got was Chain Reation + Bait and switch.
The next roll i focused was Eager Edge + Cold Stell
I am Done
Yeah I'm not using this sword in nightfalls lol I'm cool with bait it pairs well with finality and riptide anyways. At the end of the day its other half with a better damage perk
So would the new Falling Guillotine be able to compete damage wise with Frenzy/Bait and switch? Or will the math just straight up be: Bequest 19% more, Frenzy 15% buff, Falling still lacking by 4%?
Yeah guillotine will still be worse
Since when does Demolitionist work on Multikill? Im pretty sure when salvagers salvo came out its biggest problem was that even if you get a multikill, it only procs demo once. Did they change this or is this exclusively for swords this way?
It got buffed fairly recently to remove the cooldown between activations
So as a titan main i will leave it in my vault until I can enhance it correct?
Sounds like a plan!
You could learn how to bubble skate before the final shape, Its not as useful as the other classes skatetech, but it is WAY faster
@@No_Context_Thoughts but you lose your bubble/super in the process :/ i rarely use it
@@ixodesricinus3001 bubbles come back fast enough to have fun with it, you just have to be conservative and use it when You need rather than when you want to. And while the adaptive frames are slightly faster for light swings, the light swings on the slammer are more than serviceable.
thank you for mentioning adept impact vs big ones lol there is a lot of misinfo going around
With permeability you can extend a restoration. For example hit rises’ phoenix dive
what chest piece do you use on your warlock?
Forbidden Visage robes
my slammer is somehow strand
Permeability is bugged rn where it auto-defaults The Slammer to Strand!
@@LlamaD2 problem is that i dont have that on my sword
cant wait for cold steel nerf, RIP chillclip
I've done 43 night falls, and not one single sword. This weapons does no exist for me. Can't do grandmaster cause I'm apparently garbage and none of my friends wanna try so have fun with it guys!
I am sorry LIama, there is no second subscribe button. But I found the way to make it. I just shared this channel with my friedns =)
Thank you very much!
What if you just use light attacks with relentless with B&S? How will that rival other swords?
Low DPS for a heavy
@@asianck Okay thank you
Hey man, new viewer, is it possible to hook with Strand and fly all the way with you while you're wellskating across in King's Fall?
Yes you absolutely can! You can have 5 people grapple onto the well skater and they can carry the team across
Permeability also makes the swords default element strand rn so u could suspend and freeze with cold steel with no setup required
Permeability won't pair with Cold Steel since they're in the same column, and it would take setting up your class ability at the right moments without swapping.
But I like your enthusiasm, I won't deny that.
Interesting
bruh my first slammer is a god roll and I wasnt know about that lol
Can you only get this sword from gm? Or can it be acquired from normal nightfall as well?
You get the adept version from the GM and the regular version from other difficulties
Still cant get this sword to drop
If only the game would give me a good roll
Greeeeaaat now im gonna hate shatter skate hunters and well skate warlocks EVEN MORE, THANKS BUNGIE
Why the hate
Bubble skating exists
Boss spec is best
you're gonna main it, so when are we going to see your warlock carry it while emoting???
true this is very important, perhaps I'll wait til I can put the trials memento on it :P
Oh wow you move 3 feet farther
I love that warlocks have ridiculous movement tech but im not allowed to shoulder charge back to back fuck bungie
Just put on the lion rampants catapult lift and the other half. unless you're going really long distances It's not that much slower, but is WAYYYYY more recoverable. Throw in a grapple to reset your jump if you mess the timing up and you can fly forever
@@No_Context_Thoughts or Bungle could just go fuck themselves and make pvp changes to only pvp, actual brain damaged humans at that company
Doesn't take long to drain the heavy ammo :(
I have the perfect 6/6 roll.
I just want to stop and appreciate you for making videos concise without repetitively yapping for minutes and digressing for every new bit of info like some other youtubers do.
That’s my trademark 😉
i cant understand why the vortex heavy is so shit TwT
Falling Guillotine was damage meta once upon a time, so it got nerfed and forgotten about
Yeah it was insane back in Season of Arrivals. It is nerfed to oblivion, but I understand why it needed to happen.
you wear hood of the exile, all opinions disregarded instantaneously
it's a total garbage, it's just reason material for youtubers to hype the blueberries
"despite it having bait and switch, it still isn't enough to be competitive" bro you're comparing it to lament and a sword with surrounded its not gonna beat out the zero-setup god or the perk that requires teammates to not kill everything
The 2 swords that he compared them to aren’t even competitive damage options themselves so if this one is worse then why would you realistically use it for damage
@@warv6552 idk bro I just like using swords, idgaf if I'm not like izi swapping or doing bait and switch apex predator I like the guns that deal more damage than thunderlord and don't need too much setup, preferable if they aren't exotic so I can have fun with my build
@@ammonbergevin5302 Okay? Nobody said you couldn’t use it. We’re just not going to sit here and pretend it’s good
Algorithm
Time to farm this sword and make a macro 🤣
Not every heavy weapon has to be a dps monster. This is the best utility sword in the game. Stuns champs, and gives fun movement options. Can roll with basically all the best sword perks except surrounded, which can be pretty tough to proc anyway. Its a great sword.
Bungie basically just brought back double eager edge. Especially since this sword is going to have enhanceable perks
So, basically... don't bother?
Not at all, it’ll be enhanceable soon and is already more useful.
@@wetdog3148 Understood, I won't bother with it then. I'll stay with my enhanced other half. Thanks!
Well, my skate macros consume ammo so imma just do it legit ig
1:00 ill just stick my macro so i dont lose ammo
How do you do the macro? Im new to pc
@@nooneisahero594It's a software
@@nooneisahero594don't do it btw you'll get banned
I wish they’d fix or remove sword skating in this game. 9/10 the guys trying this end up last
Where the enhance version noob
Firsttt love you so muchh by the wayy llama
Oof. Now his videos are longer. Destroying the reason I subscribed to him.
At least there's a lot to talk about in this one /shrug
It's informative content. He's got brackets in the video to skip to parts you're interested in.
it's 6 minutes long, how short is your attention span
I'm sorry to hear this Cody, but part of the RUclips game is making sure your content doesn't stagnate and become same-y, which is why I'm dipping my toes into more medium length content, whether you like it or not.
Click bait