Unfortunately, it appears something odd has occured whilst capturing the AMS2 footage - making it playback at an odd FPS. Rest assured, that is not how AMS2 performed whilst recorded - it was as smooth as silk. Apologies, I'm not sure how that made it past me in editting quality control. Thanks for pointing it out @babble1975 it's much appreaciated.
All games are different, imo prefer games to feel different, if they all feel the same, what's the point...ams2 is just plain fun... lmu and iracing along with acc are more serious racing. Ams2 and even pc2 shines when you can create your own online lobbies with ai, your choice of weather along with friends....
Still not on the level of lmu in terms of ffb/physics but the complete package of AMS2 is very hard to deny. Lmu is getting a bit stale because of the lack of content and Im not sure one extra track and some LMGT3s is going to fix that for me and as much as I try, iracing feels even worse. Will try DanielKarts FFB file and see how it goes.
If Reiza could solve that front to rear disconnected feeling (yaw) and the floaty effect - it would be hard to find any fault with AMS2. I do wonder if s397 would be able to introduce any different era content via the WEC licence.
@@MAWvR3ALITYthe words you're looking for are: Slip angle and Tyre load sensitivity. AMS2 1.6 still allows for massive slip angles. Their tyre model is a lot more simplistic even compared to 6 year old ACC, which in fact is still better than LMU or AMS2 1.6. LMU just admitted their tyre model is very wrong in their latest dev blog. AMS2 doesn't simulate surface (skin) temps. It relies solely on tyre core temps, which is unacceptable for any sim in 2024. I suggest you go read some books or watch videos of how tyres ACTUALLY produce grip and you'll see why the floatiness is there.
@ thanks, I watched someone else’s video last night and also realised slip angle was what I was fumbling over. Thanks again for the information, it’s appreciated 👍🏾
@@ivayloivggrigorov9959 Could you link this LMU dev blog you're talking about? I spent some time looking around for it and I don't see anything talking about tires.
For me personally I have uninstalled Le Mans Ultimate as its not really the game for me. Automobilista 2 is doing everything that I want out of a racing game now. And that is OK. Enjoy what ever game you play. AMS2 is just the best single player racing game with lots of content and lots to do. If AMS2 physics and graphics were like Le Mans Ultimate I wouldn't play it. I liked the GT4 class in AMS2 and once I do a car setup it is fun to play. I agree Le Mans Ultimate has better physics and car handling but I am not having any fun playing it.
I can totally appreciate that and, ultimately - that’s the most important thing. If you don’t enjoy it, considering it’s your time, money, and effort - it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. If AMS2 ticks all of the boxes you need, that’s what makes it the best for you. It’s similar to the PC/Console dynamic. One is nice and simple, the other a minefield of minimum requirements. How’re you finding the v1.6.3 update - compared to before?
@@MAWvR3ALITYIts great, before the v1.6.3 update it wasn't acceptable, the cars didn't handle like cars. Now with the v1.6.3 update they begin to handle more closely like cars. Le Mans Ultimate has a much more refined and accurate brake simulation but when you have been working a physical job all day, I am just not up to playing a precision simulation with such refinement and accuracy, I'm not up to that, I am way too tired. I don't dispute Le Mans Ultimate has a better driving model. AMS2 is much more forgiving its much easier to just come home after working all day and have fun with it. Great video !
@@cr3puscul that’s the perfect answer really. I totally respect that and it resonates. A few years ago I’d love getting behind the wheel in iRacing’s GP series; button pushing simulator. Now, I’m too tired for that and just want to race GT’s. Thanks for the comments, I really appreciate them and I hope you keep having fun in AMS2.
LMU has the best physics but absolutely not my type of content. I love the open wheelers in AMS2. And the name LMU suggest we wont see any type of open wheelers in the game.
Yeah, I’d say you’re 100% correct. I’d like to see if s397 are able to tap into some of the historic WEC championships, but wouldn’t be surprised to see it stay in this lane, like the F1 dedicated titles. How’re you finding the v1.6.3 update?
@@MAWvR3ALITY I´ve been mainly driving the F1 V10 Gen 2 in AMS2 and was only able to test it for an hour and then had to leave my home for vacation where I´m still at. But the car felt more alive. There was more going on in the steering wheel. It´s a fun game. But for me the open wheelers in iRacing are more how I would expect a formula car to behave. Same goes for AC. Never played rf2. In AMS2 I feel like there is an invisible driving aid active. At least in the open wheelers. For example, if you accelerate out of a slow corner, 1st gear full throttle, the rear starts to slide, but you can stay full on throttle because the car wont spin. The rears find grip and you keep going. In any other game I played, you would spin. All driving aids off. And TC off as well.
@ ah, that V10 sound in AMS2 ❤️. Hope the vacation goes well and you get to pick up where you left off. Ironically, I think the invisible aid you’re referring to is the same slip-angle/yaw effect I’m talking about. Just shows how it’s all personal preference. After all that, it’s Marmite 😂
i have a moza r12, i love how the force feedback feels in AMS now, not quite at the ACC level. i know everyone raves about AC1’s FFB but could never dial my wheelbase in perfectly, especially for low speed and breaking where the wheel has a mind of its own. now im looking to upgrade yet again to simagic once the boxing day sales are on and spend some quality time practising in AMS2, iRacing and AC Evo. VR in AMS2 and a motion sim is just perfect.
Sounds like you’ve got a great present to self Christmas all planned out 😎. Do you already own a motion sim, or is that in the wishlist too? And how good is it, that we’re currently be able to list off all of those sim title options that we have now.
the Madness physics engine uses a version of (rfactor 2) pmotor 2.0 physics engine that's more accessible. it's safe to say it will always be chasing the old code, LMU is on version 2.5. i think that's why it's all subjective all these developers use ISI's rfactor engine just retuned or detuned based on developer's vision.
Thanks for the details, that explains a lot! I’m always amazed with how people keep up with the intricacies of what’s going on under the hood of each game.
After the update i tried the Hyper Cars in AMS2 to see if my wheel base would work, happy to say it was a better experience. But, while it was fun, it felt more like playing an much improved Forza title when compared to LMU. With that said i hope 396s comming changes to braking doesn't kill some of the LMU challenge i get in mastering that level of driving feel.
Couldn’t agree with you more. The update has definitely improved AMS2, but like you - it’s that pursuit of realism level of challenge that I love the most. Like playing rallying games, then Richard Burns Rally comes along. I too hope they don’t nurf LMU too much, but some of the challenge does seem a bit extreme - those LMP2’s can be lethal.
LMU really ruined it for me with dlc in early acces. AMS2 was a great game before the dlc and even better after. And tbh I don’t have the time for another simulator. Except AC EVO if it is good 🤞
Wish I could give you the viewtime but thanks for being up front. I dont understand how people are saying its like pcars 2 and that that's not a bad thing. The games issue was the ffb and weird physics with pendulums and a daft wobble of steering every time you come out of a corner. I do like how much it feels like you're holding on for dear life but it can't be right.
Thanks for commenting, that’s much more important than holding you hostage for the view time. Your last sentence is the point that sticks with me. None of us have to drive a GT car in real life to think - ‘that can’t be right’. Hell, much lower speeds of course but - 20 minutes of indoor/outdoor Karting gives some real world reference of being on a slick tyre against your road car tyre.
Hmm, I'm not sure - I'll have to see if something weird has happened whilst encoding or processing. It should be 30 fps, but it looks like it's playing at x2 🤨
Why are all of these AMS2 fan boys watching RUclips videos on AMS2. If its that good, shouldnt you get on with it, stop wasting time and play the damn game then ?
Lmu have worst ffb comparecto RF2/1, I understandvthat its incomplete game but still if they not fix ffb it will be below RF2😂 I tried On my sc 2 pro still Rf2 is king.
Yep, rF2 FFB still rules! I won’t even pretend to understand what’s involved in iterating on the rF2 FFB - but my initial thoughts were “why haven’t they just copy.pasted the rF2 FFB into LMU 😂”
The pitchforks are going to be out on this one. Careful they don't burn you alive ! But I"m with you one this one. Arcade game at best. In my opinion GT7 does a better job than this.
Haha, I know right 👀. It’s been quite measured and amicable so far. I tried to make sure I was complimentary where and when warranted. But yeah, still sleeping with one eye open 😬 I’d love them to bring GT to PC and have VR support.
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Unfortunately, it appears something odd has occured whilst capturing the AMS2 footage - making it playback at an odd FPS. Rest assured, that is not how AMS2 performed whilst recorded - it was as smooth as silk.
Apologies, I'm not sure how that made it past me in editting quality control.
Thanks for pointing it out @babble1975 it's much appreaciated.
LMU is still better, no doubt.
Good evaluation! LMU is the benchmark currently, though AMS2 is great game nevertheless.
Thanks 🙏🏾. Yep, no denying that AMS2 is great value for money and REIZA continue to develop it.
All games are different, imo prefer games to feel different, if they all feel the same, what's the point...ams2 is just plain fun... lmu and iracing along with acc are more serious racing. Ams2 and even pc2 shines when you can create your own online lobbies with ai, your choice of weather along with friends....
You’re right. That’s so very true. Ultimately, we all have limited time to do what we enjoy - so as long as we enjoy it, that’s all that matters.
Still not on the level of lmu in terms of ffb/physics but the complete package of AMS2 is very hard to deny.
Lmu is getting a bit stale because of the lack of content and Im not sure one extra track and some LMGT3s is going to fix that for me and as much as I try, iracing feels even worse.
Will try DanielKarts FFB file and see how it goes.
If Reiza could solve that front to rear disconnected feeling (yaw) and the floaty effect - it would be hard to find any fault with AMS2.
I do wonder if s397 would be able to introduce any different era content via the WEC licence.
@@MAWvR3ALITYthe words you're looking for are: Slip angle and Tyre load sensitivity. AMS2 1.6 still allows for massive slip angles. Their tyre model is a lot more simplistic even compared to 6 year old ACC, which in fact is still better than LMU or AMS2 1.6. LMU just admitted their tyre model is very wrong in their latest dev blog. AMS2 doesn't simulate surface (skin) temps. It relies solely on tyre core temps, which is unacceptable for any sim in 2024. I suggest you go read some books or watch videos of how tyres ACTUALLY produce grip and you'll see why the floatiness is there.
@ thanks, I watched someone else’s video last night and also realised slip angle was what I was fumbling over.
Thanks again for the information, it’s appreciated 👍🏾
@@ivayloivggrigorov9959 Could you link this LMU dev blog you're talking about? I spent some time looking around for it and I don't see anything talking about tires.
Very comprehensive impressions! :)
For me personally I have uninstalled Le Mans Ultimate as its not really the game for me. Automobilista 2 is doing everything that I want out of a racing game now. And that is OK. Enjoy what ever game you play. AMS2 is just the best single player racing game with lots of content and lots to do. If AMS2 physics and graphics were like Le Mans Ultimate I wouldn't play it. I liked the GT4 class in AMS2 and once I do a car setup it is fun to play. I agree Le Mans Ultimate has better physics and car handling but I am not having any fun playing it.
I can totally appreciate that and, ultimately - that’s the most important thing. If you don’t enjoy it, considering it’s your time, money, and effort - it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks.
If AMS2 ticks all of the boxes you need, that’s what makes it the best for you.
It’s similar to the PC/Console dynamic. One is nice and simple, the other a minefield of minimum requirements.
How’re you finding the v1.6.3 update - compared to before?
@@MAWvR3ALITYIts great, before the v1.6.3 update it wasn't acceptable, the cars didn't handle like cars. Now with the v1.6.3 update they begin to handle more closely like cars. Le Mans Ultimate has a much more refined and accurate brake simulation but when you have been working a physical job all day, I am just not up to playing a precision simulation with such refinement and accuracy, I'm not up to that, I am way too tired. I don't dispute Le Mans Ultimate has a better driving model. AMS2 is much more forgiving its much easier to just come home after working all day and have fun with it. Great video !
@@cr3puscul that’s the perfect answer really. I totally respect that and it resonates. A few years ago I’d love getting behind the wheel in iRacing’s GP series; button pushing simulator.
Now, I’m too tired for that and just want to race GT’s.
Thanks for the comments, I really appreciate them and I hope you keep having fun in AMS2.
LMU has the best physics but absolutely not my type of content. I love the open wheelers in AMS2. And the name LMU suggest we wont see any type of open wheelers in the game.
Yeah, I’d say you’re 100% correct. I’d like to see if s397 are able to tap into some of the historic WEC championships, but wouldn’t be surprised to see it stay in this lane, like the F1 dedicated titles.
How’re you finding the v1.6.3 update?
@@MAWvR3ALITY I´ve been mainly driving the F1 V10 Gen 2 in AMS2 and was only able to test it for an hour and then had to leave my home for vacation where I´m still at. But the car felt more alive. There was more going on in the steering wheel. It´s a fun game. But for me the open wheelers in iRacing are more how I would expect a formula car to behave. Same goes for AC. Never played rf2.
In AMS2 I feel like there is an invisible driving aid active. At least in the open wheelers. For example, if you accelerate out of a slow corner, 1st gear full throttle, the rear starts to slide, but you can stay full on throttle because the car wont spin. The rears find grip and you keep going. In any other game I played, you would spin. All driving aids off. And TC off as well.
@ ah, that V10 sound in AMS2 ❤️.
Hope the vacation goes well and you get to pick up where you left off.
Ironically, I think the invisible aid you’re referring to is the same slip-angle/yaw effect I’m talking about. Just shows how it’s all personal preference.
After all that, it’s Marmite 😂
Yes, AMS2 is the King of open wheelers! So many wonderful diferent open wheelers.
So I racing isn’t the best anymore?
i have a moza r12, i love how the force feedback feels in AMS now, not quite at the ACC level. i know everyone raves about AC1’s FFB but could never dial my wheelbase in perfectly, especially for low speed and breaking where the wheel has a mind of its own.
now im looking to upgrade yet again to simagic once the boxing day sales are on and spend some quality time practising in AMS2, iRacing and AC Evo. VR in AMS2 and a motion sim is just perfect.
Sounds like you’ve got a great present to self Christmas all planned out 😎.
Do you already own a motion sim, or is that in the wishlist too?
And how good is it, that we’re currently be able to list off all of those sim title options that we have now.
the Madness physics engine uses a version of (rfactor 2) pmotor 2.0 physics engine that's more accessible. it's safe to say it will always be chasing the old code, LMU is on version 2.5. i think that's why it's all subjective all these developers use ISI's rfactor engine just retuned or detuned based on developer's vision.
Thanks for the details, that explains a lot! I’m always amazed with how people keep up with the intricacies of what’s going on under the hood of each game.
After the update i tried the Hyper Cars in AMS2 to see if my wheel base would work, happy to say it was a better experience. But, while it was fun, it felt more like playing an much improved Forza title when compared to LMU. With that said i hope 396s comming changes to braking doesn't kill some of the LMU challenge i get in mastering that level of driving feel.
Couldn’t agree with you more. The update has definitely improved AMS2, but like you - it’s that pursuit of realism level of challenge that I love the most.
Like playing rallying games, then Richard Burns Rally comes along.
I too hope they don’t nurf LMU too much, but some of the challenge does seem a bit extreme - those LMP2’s can be lethal.
Le Mans is just on the league of its own its just amazing, i Love Supercars on AMS2 really cant stand GT3S on it but also LMPD cars are great
I agree with you, LMU has spoilt everything else for me (for now).
Is that the GT3s now, even after the update? I haven’t tried them yet.
LMU really ruined it for me with dlc in early acces. AMS2 was a great game before the dlc and even better after.
And tbh I don’t have the time for another simulator. Except AC EVO if it is good 🤞
I can fully understand DLC in EA leaving a sour taste in the mouth. It definitely wasn't a good look. Please, please let AC EVO be good.
LMU is the better sim out of the 2, AMS2 the better (and more complete) game. Nothing more need to be said, up to you what you are looking for.
As Far as pure Sim...
Outside of Rain..
LMU is the better Simulation of Racing
As accurate a summary as anyone could make 👍🏾
Yes... In driving both are incomparable, LMU is a sin and AMS2 a simcade. More complete, but not a simulator.
@@juanpabloreverthow old are you kid 😂
Sorry I would say RF2 is better then both of this LMU have shity force feedback 😂
LMU is only a game, AMS2 is an experience
I like that 🔥
Wish I could give you the viewtime but thanks for being up front. I dont understand how people are saying its like pcars 2 and that that's not a bad thing. The games issue was the ffb and weird physics with pendulums and a daft wobble of steering every time you come out of a corner. I do like how much it feels like you're holding on for dear life but it can't be right.
Thanks for commenting, that’s much more important than holding you hostage for the view time.
Your last sentence is the point that sticks with me. None of us have to drive a GT car in real life to think - ‘that can’t be right’.
Hell, much lower speeds of course but - 20 minutes of indoor/outdoor Karting gives some real world reference of being on a slick tyre against your road car tyre.
What's up with the fps in this video?
Hmm, I'm not sure - I'll have to see if something weird has happened whilst encoding or processing. It should be 30 fps, but it looks like it's playing at x2 🤨
Thought I'd mention it. Loving this sim in VR but not sure I could live with it at that frame rate :)
@ Thanks for letting me know 🙏🏾
👍@@MAWvR3ALITY
LMU is still better, no doubt
Why are all of these AMS2 fan boys watching RUclips videos on AMS2. If its that good, shouldnt you get on with it, stop wasting time and play the damn game then ?
Lmu have worst ffb comparecto RF2/1, I understandvthat its incomplete game but still if they not fix ffb it will be below RF2😂 I tried On my sc 2 pro still Rf2 is king.
Yep, rF2 FFB still rules!
I won’t even pretend to understand what’s involved in iterating on the rF2 FFB - but my initial thoughts were “why haven’t they just copy.pasted the rF2 FFB into LMU 😂”
@MAWvR3ALITY same thing 😭 but looks like they just dropped RF2 since they are dropping some license cars
The pitchforks are going to be out on this one. Careful they don't burn you alive ! But I"m with you one this one. Arcade game at best. In my opinion GT7 does a better job than this.
Haha, I know right 👀. It’s been quite measured and amicable so far. I tried to make sure I was complimentary where and when warranted.
But yeah, still sleeping with one eye open 😬
I’d love them to bring GT to PC and have VR support.