+Donald Twump RIP, this was exactly my issue, the only viable PvP builds when you got to high tier plays were Bloodtinge and Skill builds using Chikage or Rakuyo.
I did say "the only viable PvP builds" I truly wish someone would try to use anything as slow as the Moonlight GS on me xD Id parry you 300% of the time.
Tbh I disagree. I think a sequel dilutes the original. You introduce another game associated with the same name. Just look at Dark Souls. Yes, most everyone agrees Dark Souls 1 is probably the best out of the series, and if nothing else, left a huge mark on the industry few games will ever have the privilege of leaving. But inevitably, conversation of Dark Souls 1 will eventually lead to conversation of Dark Souls 2 and 3, and the trilogy as a whole. It's suddenly not just Dark Souls 1 anymore, it's the Dark Souls trilogy. Even if Bloodborne 2 comes out as awesome or even better than Bloodborne 1, the original Bloodborne is now diluted with being tied to another game. I think the greatness of Bloodborne will shine more brightly in the far future if it's allowed to shine on its own. Let FROM make new IP's.
Yea no a series can only shine when there are others to compare it to, you wouldn’t be able to say dark souls was the best out of the series until dark souls 2 came around, and if you really think that a second bloodborne game will dilute the series for you don’t play it it’s really that simple
If Miyazaki directed it, I would want BB2. I feel like there are a lot of ideas in BB that could be explored further and that could create the basis for a sequel.
The gameplay of Bloodborne makes me want a sequel, but the lore makes me want them to never touch it again. The game has the most detailed, perfect lore I have ever seen in any game ever, actually, make that any piece of fiction ever, I'm not even fucking kidding. 95% of players kill every boss and finish the game without ever knowing what's going on, but if you put in the time to figure out everything it is absolutely mind blowing.
+Howya Doin What does lore and story add to the GAMEplay of a video GAME? Oh that's right absolutely nothing. What is the souls series famous for? Oh that's right the GAMEplay and level design which impacts the GAMEplay. The game barely has any real story other than a few snippets here and there of lore on item descriptions.
Filthy Daemon Spawn how would it rot? Why make sequels to anything in that case? I loved dark souls 2 it had solid lore and expanded the universe but I will say that it did have technical problems that hampered the experience. Dark souls 3 was great and the ringed city dlc looks amazing. Let's stop being afraid of them screwing up and give the studio a chance.
Vicar Amelia Because, whether you like it or not, once a game gets a sequel and is highly successful, it goes down a road that leads to something it isn't. Want an example? Sure: Halo. What happened to that? It lasted too long, and not only fell into the wrong hands, but became an utter shitshow. Oh, also a whether you like it or not, Dark Souls III divided the community a little more so than DkS2, so we can gather from that, at... Dark Souls was about to go down the same road Halo did. Also can you name 10 games that has 4 sequels and hasn't starting going off and being suicidal? Seriously, I wanna kno, more games4me
blacksmith224 It is great as it is, leave it be lest we get another DKS2. It wouldn't even make sense lore-wise, they would have to trivialise the *true* ending
I know I’m 4 years late to the conversation but seeing as there is still no BB2, I would like to offer my two cents that will probably reach no one. Your main argument is that From Studios should not make a sequel as the game was amazing and there is a high chance that a sequel won’t live up to the original. I also saw you left a comment in regards to the lore being eloquent and something that shouldn’t be tarnished. I disagree with your stances solely because you are assuming that the failure of a sequel will in some way affect the original. There are plenty of pieces of media that can still be appreciated even if future additions were terrible. Take Star Wars, Star Trek, the COD franchise, the battlefield franchise, the mass effect franchise, and so many more. In all of these situations, future additions to the franchise have not been as amazing as the original media, but no one looks back negatively on the original because of the flaws of the sequels. If I don’t like BB2, I’m more than willing to pretend it didn’t happen, as would most people. Your argument is flawed and it doesn’t really hold up as an argument for why a sequel should not happen. Worst case scenario, it sucks. But best case scenario, it’s as good or even better than the original. If it sucks there are practically no consequences (unless you work for From or you preordered it, which is another problem in of itself). If it succeeds, we all get another game that we can love and enjoy.
Funnily enough, Dark Souls 2 was an underwhelming sequel to the masterpiece that was Dark Souls 1. As much as people shit on or defend DS2, nobody looks negatively at DS1 because of it. I will say because of what happened with DS2, the Dark Souls series DESPERATELY needed another entry to save it, but even Bamco wasn't sure if they'd risk it. Thankfully we had Miyazaki return for DS3, and wrapped a nice bow to give a final farewell to the series. What I will say, however, is that I'm not sure if I'd ever want a Bloodborne 2 that isn't developed by FromSoft. A Soulsborne game without FromSoft is just a Souls-like, like if Dark Souls 4 was made by Bamco and not FromSoft themselves. I have no clue what Bluepoint is capable of in terms of making things that aren't just graphical enhancements of pre-existing games, or if they're capable of creating a solid sequel to one of the greatest games of all time. Would it just be another game added to the pile of Souls-likes? FromSoft has shown for the past decade that they're pretty much the only ones at the top in terms of quality and feel when it comes to the genre, so can Bluepoint compete? Only time will tell if the rumors are true, and we'll only know if Bloodborne 2 is any good if it comes out. If you ask me, I'm very doubtful about this
Of course they could maintain it. Just have it be set in a new area of the world, expand upon the lore, give us new enemies/bosses to fight, better customization and rpg elements. It could actually be improved upon imo.
the only issue it had was that you had to transfer back to the dream everytime you wanted to go to a different location, instead of like in darksouls, where you can rest at the camp fire, and just pick one of the 50 locations instead of having to go back to the dream.
gameplay wise i want abloodborne 2, lore wise i'm still on the fence, unless they have something up their sleeves, im not sure they can even out do the perfection of the bloodborne story
Respectfully disagree. First you bring up the example of resident evil. This comparison is flawed imo and I'll explain why. The resident evil games were all published by capcom. As a publisher it's their job to maximise profit as a priority which is what lead to the ridiculous number of spin offs for that series. Also, the RE series has had multiple directors at the helm. After RE4 new directors were brought on and the creators of the series were no longer working on it. The vision was lost and this correlated with the growing displeasure of the fan base with RE5 and 6. When it comes to souls games however from software has had the creator at the helm for every game apart from DS2, and with the fact that DS2 is the most disliked game in the series I think this exposes what truly goes wrong with long running 'niche' franchises. Would you argue that Nintendo should stop making Mario games because you're scared they'll become stale? If so most would disagree because Miyamoto and Nintendo understands what makes those games great. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but to lack faith in a creator who has proven on 4 occasions that he can make games that engross and captivate players is what I would call ignorant. Personally I support Miyazakis vision and whatever direction that takes, and I believe FromSoft and Sony do too.
I'm not saying that Miyazaki should stop making games, I'm saying that one specific franchise should be left alone. I'm more than happy to see more "Souls-likes" from From.
Mitch L thanks for the reply. Don't think I suggested anywhere in my comment that you thought Miyazaki should stop making games though. I'm disagreeing with your point that bloodborne should not have a sequel. I believe it should if Miyazaki feels like taking on that challenge. As a society we don't say a certain director should stop making a certain style of film. As gamers we tend to adopt ownership of franchises because of their interactive nature but I don't feel that gives us the right to call what should and shouldn't happen. That decision should be left to the creator.
LoCi I think the main concern is “Where do you go from here?”. Bloodborne is in my eyes, a complete project. How does one add on to it? Dark Souls sequels while having slight differences in terms of weapons, characters, areas, and game mechanics all have essentially the exact same premise. You end up doing the same thing in the end. Nothing insanely new is added on that front, except for a couple of cool new lore bits here and there. I’m fine with that, because I was never a big fan of Dark Souls story to begin with. I didn’t DISLIKE it, it just didn’t hit any cylinders for me. Bloodborne I feel is very different in that regard, where the lore is a MAJOR component of the game in terms of importance, instead of a small side piece. Maybe because it’s just more interesting/intricate to me, I don’t know. I don’t see how you can make a Bloodborne 2 without it seeming like a rehash of the original. DIFFERENT Great Ones? DIFFERENT factions trying to obtain their power? DIFFERENT alternate realities? I feel like since story is a much larger part of Bloodborne, and the story’s been told, there shouldn’t be a sequel. That being said, I would totally play the hell out of it.
Dark Souls 3 is and should be the end of the Dark Souls series. However, I think Bloodborne is proof that they should not abandon the Souls formula altogether. Make a new IP each time with some minor and some major mechanical changes while still playing relatively the same as the Souls games. But this shouldn't be done too often. They're working on another right now; whether it's Bloodborne 2 or something different is debatable, but after it they should stay away from the Souls formula for at least a few years. When they come back to it, whatever they come up with will be fresh and the passion will be back with a vengeance, almost guaranteeing it'll be a great game. Plus, working on other stuff will give them the chance to possibly strike gold again with a new formula.
I totally respect your opinion, I see where you're coming from and I mysel am not a fan of sequels, but at the same time I can't deny that I LOVED the shit out of some sequels. Dragon Age 2 is my favourite in the series despite its abysmal flaws, Final Fantasy X-2 is almost insulting when it comes to shift in tone and portrayal of characters from the original, but the combat system is easily one of the best in the series. Devil May Cry 3 is, once again, my favourite from said franchise and so is Kingdom Hearts 2. None of these titles 'tainted' in any way the beauty of the original game. The mindset that sequels 'ruin' the original is pretty childish in my eyes. And Bloodborne is the game that restored my faith in gaming. I need another one. Or at least a spiritual successor like DS was for DeS. The lore and characters are too good to let them go. Heck, I played DS3 because I wanted MORE BLOODBORNE! XD Bring it on, From. Bring BB2. I'm waiting.
Some ideas that people were giving for the sequel were you play as your original character, who is now a great one, and since basically your a boss now, the bosses you fight are considered “opponents” , or it takes place in a whole new country in Italy , with all those masks and shit
Imagine playing a bloodborne prequel where you get to fight alongside a young Gehrman at the start of the churches blood transfers, and you become friends with Hunters that you have to kill later because blood-borne can't have happy endings
I agree with your point that making another original game would be heaps better than a half-assed sequel but I can't help but want a continuation of the bloodborne story line as well as see what from software can do with the original mechanics. The rally system alone was brilliant. It forced players to take risks and promote aggressive gameplay. Transforming weapons were by far the greatest innovation to the souls series. That mechanic alone allowed for a huge range of play styles (rakuyo anyone?) and brought sword fighting to a whole new level. But obviously the game wasn't perfect. PVP was a joke. Only a handful of available areas to invade and a network connection that makes me want to rip my eyes out and stick my head in a bucket of lye. Yeah it had issues. But these are things that can be addressed and fixed if a sequel ever is released. I would love a new game with all the good bits of Bloodborne and fixing the bad but having that in a new title just sounds lazy to me. I'm looking forward to what from software creates in the next few years and I hope it lives up to the dark souls fanboys' expectations. I just hope we haven't seen the last of yharnam.
Evan Vetrano while my opinion differs I can respect it. My fear in them making a bloodborne 2 is it being like dark souls 2 I love Bloodborne it's my favorite game of the series. But if they do it needs to be exactly as you stated in your comment. With all respect peace ✌🏻
FromSoftware shouldn't make sequels, but instead crank out gameplay clones, each with a unique world and story. The Souls sequels weren't as good since scant story doesn't carry well, even with gameplay improvements.
agreed. from has created a gameplay formula that works wonderfully and that is the greatest asset of their games. besides, Hidetaka Miyazaki already showed us he is kind of an old school creator, an artist if you whant, at his best when creating new things he is passionate about..
I agree. I'll play all the DS clones you can throw at me. Speaking of which, I like that there are so many other devs starting to adopt this formula too. For all it's flaws, I really liked Lords of the Fallen and I absolutely LOVE Nioh. To be fair though, Nioh does enough fresh to stand on it's own.
Bloodborne 2 could only be a letdown because you can't improve upon perfection. I am eagerly awaiting the next product from Miyazaki but would prefer it to be something new and innovative like Bloodborne was to Dark souls. Sony would be morons to not write him a blank check for his next work and give him complete autonomy and all of the time he needs to make it as he wants to.
It's not perfect. From the top of my head, it could be bigger, have shorter loading times, more radically varied locations, finally get some facial animations, improve and expand on the chalice dungeon format, make elevators more stable, have less glitches overall.
Ochinpo Definitely no major problems. It's my favorite game of the current gen. But still I would be excited to play a sequel that improves on the first one even more, because there is still some room for that, maybe even in ways we can't think of ourselves right now.
Jz6x6 Bloodborne isn't a perfect game, it is without question the best game in the souls series but there are still many things that could be improved in a sequel. 1. Bloodborne's pvp isn't necessarily bad, it's just very unbalanced in favor of bloodtinge builds, and parry spamming, has little to no consequence in PvP. Perhaps in a bloodborne sequel missing a parry could be punishable. There are also imbalances between host and invader, so perhaps BB2 could add a duel mode, to make pvp specific matchmaking easier. In this mode both the host and invader have clamped and equally distributed stats, so neither one has an advantage. 2. CO-OP is probably the weakest part of this game. Not only does co-op make PvE too easy, it's also incredibly difficult to summon people and consistently co-op without having to constantly resummon. Especially in chalice dungeons where you have to resummon every layer. The co-op system can definitely be improved upon. CO-op gameplay should have no level restrictions but the game should be more difficult in co-op mode, similar to how Nioh handles co-op. Players should be able to co-op the entire game without having to be resummoned. 3. Chalice Dungeons can often be repetitive and are mostly played for blood gem grinding. There were some very impressive bosses in the chalice dungeons, watchdog of the old lords, bloodletting beast, pthumerian elder etc... but there is not much to desire with dungeons themselves. These chalice dungeons could have been a good platform for co-op gameplay, and could have had more depth and variety rather than being a small selection of the same rooms. 4. A bloodborne sequel could include all of the weapons from Bloodborne, with updated movesets, plus a new selection of trick weapons and Hunter tools to choose from. 5. Bloodborne is very replayable, but isn't a very long game, after beating Vicar Amelia, the rest of the main in game bosses are basically fought back to back. - Shadows of Yharnam and Rom. - One reborn and darkbeast. - Micolash and Wet Nurse. A newer bloodborne game could perhaps add more secret bosses, more bosses in general and expand upon the locations so multiple bosses are not fought in the same area. That would give some extra length to the game. From a gameplay perspective, bloodborne definitely can be improved. It only needs to do the same thing, but bigger and better, with as Much dedication as dark souls and improve upon the inconsistencies. There has unfortunately been only one expansion for Bloodborne which is a shame. If not a sequel, I definitely want to see another bloodborne expansion. Edit: Bloodborne's existing expansion already proved what the devs are capable in terms of boss design. The living failures were hit and miss, but there should be more bosses with the quality of Orphan, Lawrence and especially Maria and Ludwig. Bloodborne had some weak boss designs like Witches of Hemwick, Celestial Emissary and Micolash. Bloodborne 2 could improve upon the boss design and create new bosses with the quality of the dlc ones. DS3 had many impressive bosses in ringed city, like Darkeater Midir and Slave Knight Gael. So there is definitely foundation for improvement.
Primal I enjoyed the boss design on Witches of Hemwick. It was just a bit too easy, both the witches and their shadow monsters should have been more aggressive from the start to make it more challenging.
Tbh TLOU2 could have been a good game, but ND literally did their best to make the worst sequel ever, Im sure FromSoftware director is not as mentally challenged as Neil Druckman so a BB2 could be a good game
I am of two minds about this; I love bloodborne for its cohesive narrative and oppresive atmosphere, I love that old but new feeling i got throughout it, and the mysteries of the universe stuff is alway nice to delve into. But I also enjoy the exploration of ideas in dark souls 1-3. It's an interesting, if sometimes messy, journey of evolving our understanding of the world with each game.
I ONLY believe there should be a sequel to any souls game if Miyazaki wants to make it. If he wants to do a sequel of one of his games, I believe it could really come out as a quality game. I believe that Dark Souls 3 could have been really good if Miyazaki really wanted to do it. However, if Miyazaki doesn't want to do a sequel, it won't be as good.. It will be another DS3 that focuses mostly on fan service and rehashed content.
IDK if he wanted to do it or not but regardless of what he wanted he delivered. DS3 as far as lore goes greatly expands the IP and while there were a few problems with the game it still held it's own. That being said if Miyazaki was looking to wrap up the DS series he totally did that with the Ashes and the Ringed City DLC. When all of the lore is placed in front of you from the DLC it provides a satisfactory yet open ended ending to the series and yet it still leaves you wanting just a little bit more from the series be it bosses, lore, or answers to the questions you still have.
I absolutely agree. Bloodborne really make its mark (pyn intended) with the use of cosmic horror & when using that there should be enough context to explain certain things there should be largely unanswered bigger questions that cause speculation & theory's. Cuz if you explain it all that's not cosmic horror. Bloodborne has the right balance of context & unanswered questions, The Old Hunters is a great dlc but nothing else after that should made.
I'd prefer a game that dies as a legendary masterpiece than continue living on as a garbage milked dry by its company. And thank god Miyazaki is not money hungry we all can tell that he cares a lot about the quality of his creation. That man dedicated his life for his art not fortune.
I really hope the isolationist city with no humans left stays as one game, having a game that goes from classic horror to cosmic horror as a surprise would be ruined by the mere existence of a sequel.
I think a sequel could potentially invert this formula, lending a surprise once more. The game could begin with cosmic horror and descend into the beastly scourge and it's containment
@Thee Apollo sure but if people know it's cosmic horror at the beginning it's less interesting when the character learns of it. Besides the more you explain the horror (which a sequel enevitably would) the less scary it becomes
Disagree, but I completely get what you're coming from. Personally, I'm dying for a BB2, but I also want them to take their own sweet time with it. Let it be a pet project that spends plenty of time on the back burner, cooking up original and interesting ideas, and only brought into active development when they feel they're ready. But I do feel that not only will it happen, but it absolutely should happen. Bloodborne was too wonderful of a dream to abandon. I'm perfectly fine with waiting 5 years or longer. Just do it right.
I don't understand this obsessive notion that just because something was good, we need more of it. Do you have no self control? Have you never heard the phrase "Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing"? Yes, Bloodborne was a wonderful, fantastic game. Now let it rest instead of letting corporate greed run it into the ground with unnecessary sequels.
Tipsy T-Rex agreed. As long as the same team is working on it, I'd love to see a Bloodborne 2 and I'd patiently wait for a PS5 release if thats how long it takes to make a sequel worthy of a masterpiece.
@@meme-sf7mr My statement still stands with the Halloween franchise. The only great one is the first one, most of the sequels suck and Halloween Kills was a mess. I still like Michael tho
Honestly, Bloodborne is my favourite game of all time, but I don't think I'd want a sequel. I feel like it would never live up to the first game and that ultimately it would just be a disappointment, just like DS2. I'd prefer a new, fresh, souls-like IP, just like Bloodborne was, so we can go into the game with open minds and enjoy the brand new world Miyazaki has to offer. I don't think I'd be upset if a Bloodborne sequel was announced but I don't think I'd be very happy either. I'd sure as fuck be excited though.
The issue with Dark Souls having sequels is that DS was just a slow and worse version of Demon's Souls to begin with. Going back and playing DS1 is so meh after playing Bloodborne because of Bloodbornes overwhelming game play. Dark Souls weapons pretty much all work exactly the same. They swing side to side or up and down with barely any variation and R1 is the king. In Bloodborne you can actually create combos of R1's,R2's,L1's, and L2's.
I'll say this to you if you want fresh go check out Nioh, I freaking love Nioh yes it is kind of a Dark Souls clone but it's original enough in terms of gameplay and mechanics to truly shine on it's own. It has a DS difficulty with a Diablo dungeon crawling feel to it. The builds you can do in-game are more overlappable than with DS so you can specialize in one thing but generalize enough in the others so you have options. I will say this though the enemy types are limited but the bosses are widely varied. just my thoughts
I don't agree... Bloodborne is definitely a masterpiece, but it left A LOT of unanswered questions that us hardcore fans need answers for!!.... You keep trying to spin this by saying things like "hope they don't give into corporate interest"... It's the fan interest, for a sequel.. We need more!
Bloodborne is definitely my favourite game, it kind of owns my soul tbh. I still play through it regularly, but it's been out for quite a while now, and I'm worried that I might be wearing it out for myself. All that said however, unless Miyazaki actually wants to make a sequel (and we know he doesn't like sequels), I don't want one. I'll be content pottering around with the lore, and waiting to see what new project he'd rather be working on.
I got bloodborne when it was free and I haven't stoped playing. I think I need help but at the same time bloodborne is love bloodborne is life bloodborne is just like 4th wife
I profoundly believe that bb2 should come to fruition, ONLY if the team working on it is as creative and passionate as the first time around. Though there was much public pressure, it’s very obvious that ds2 had people who were involved with what they were doing. Ds2 has some of the most expansive lore in the series, and aside from a huge gamble with the combat system, ds2 is fun to explore and play. I want Bloodborne 2, but not if it’s going to be another dark souls 3 pre-dlc. I want mostly entirely original content
I think it all hinges on Myuzaki's interest in the project. If he is passionate about what he's creating, it'll probably be as good as Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Bloodborne, which were all very close to him. Dark souls 2 and Dark Souls 3 really only happened because Bando Namcai knew that the games were well made with a loyal and growing fan base which they could cash in on. I think that if Hidetaka Myuzaki is excitedly and happily making Bloodborne 2, I would be passing out with excitement. If he's being whipped into making Bloodborne 2 by SONY as he tries to call his family to tell them that he's being held captive and being forced into making a game that he hates, I'd expect something along the lines of Dark Souls 3 and temper my hype.
I kind of disagree solely on the basis that ds2 demonstrated to me that while sequels can be very mechanically weak compared to the original when we are talking about From, they can still go in fascinating directions. I love 2 because it actually had the guts to go in radical directions from the original from a lore and story stance,. Ds3 is just a souless copy of ds1 that while pretty, plays it totally safe (although the ringed city seems to finally be innovating) but from did prove with 2 that they are capable to expanding on their lore in interesting ways even if they were not planned from the beginning
OfficialChrissums Dark Souls 3 is a soulless copy? I disagree. There are many new concepts in dark souls 3. And the lords of cinders as plot devices are excellent.
im curious what you like best about it. Thematically it does almost nothing new, the pvp is royally fucked, and the admittedly really good boss fights just arnt enough to prop it up for me. Especially since Ashes of ariandel is such a lame dlc that it actually hurts the game more than it helps it imo.
"I love 2 because it actually had the guts to go in radical directions from the original from a lore and story stance." Why not make a different game then?
i absolutely agree with this. there'd be no way in hell they'd be able to replicate what this game did. it's so self contained and complete that it just doesn't need anything else.
There are two things I want from a Bloodborne 2: More beastly beasthood like the rumors that were circling pre-release of Bloodborne 1. MORE INFORMATION ABOUT DARKBEASTS
When my friend that's really into the souls series demanded that I try it out, I picked Bloodborne over DS3 because I was unfamiliar with the Dark Souls lore/story, and because Bloodborne was only $20 while DS3 was full price and I didn't want to waste money if I found that the challenging gameplay didn't agree with me. I will admit, the first time I tried it I quit after the first few hours and forgot about it until after I graduated. It's been a week since I picked it up again and I can't be more happy that I did. This game was a hidden gem in the RPG genre that absolutely swept me off my feet and showed me what I had always been searching for in vain in other RPGs. From Software is wise to make another original IP, because it's clear that when they do they create something of true quality and unique character, and the gaming industry needs that more than ever in an age when almost nothing in gaming is original and everything is either a sequel, a resurrection to a series past its prime, or another copy paste open world survival, team shooter or "indie platformer."
Basically what your saying is (I think) that new ips allow from soft to be as creative and free with their game design, where as a sequel is a very similar game, with graphical enhancements, new bosses, story and content. Bloodborne is BY FAR my favourite game EVER. To see a sequel is my dream, the characters, mysterious story, bosses and famous dark gritty visuals just compliment each other so well. Because of this, I instinctively want a sequel, if it were your favourite game you would too right? But I can see your point, the freedom they got with bloodborne was what made it so unique. Often the original is the best, my question is, would you be displeased if there were a sequel? After watching this video and giving some thought (not while dreaming) I am questioning whether I really would like a sequel. I would probably be happiest if they created a new IP set in Bloodborne's universe, with plenty of references and perhaps even a character camio. In my opinion, a sequel is inevitable, whether it is under the title Bloodborne 2, this year or not.
Still waiting for a sequel. I’ve decided to delusionally think that they’ve been working on it for 5 years straight in a super high effort, highly secret plan to make the best game ever devised in human history. Still… waiting…
PixelHunter Don't think there'll be a sequel. But if there is, I hope it doesn't go multiplatform. I just hate the Dark Souls' fanbase (yes, specifically Dark Souls' fanbase). It is the one thing in the franchise that can always piss me off. And then there's the "PC master race" who're also annoying. However, I know the obnoxious pricks are a minority since the loudest of people usually are. So it sucks that people who genuinely enjoy the series can't play the likes of Demon's and Bloodborne :/
Bloodborne 2 with nioh mechanics & fighting mechanics would be game of the year status. I guess developers wont ever think like us. For Honor is the closest thing to what I call a REAL game.
Maybe a spin-off, set in a different part of the world, or just adding some more to the history with more Dreams like in The Old Hunters? That way there'd be no need to proceed forward in time past the "true" ending. Doesn't matter much to me, just want more stuff (weapons, arcane relics, armour, locations, enemies and bosses). I really like playing a caster or similar, so I just want a way to make a viable build like that. I mean seriously, the Milkweed rune makes you an Old One(or at least kin?), why not boost the available casting items with it equiped, not just altering a single weapon...
Everyone here saying how a sequel could taint and ruin the lore and story the game has, lmao. Honestly it doesn't need to be a continuation or connected to Bloodborne at all! Just give me that Victorian aesthetic, throw in some steampunk weapons and armour, spook us with some Babadook shit, and let us kill more monsters for fook's sake! That's all I'm askin man. I'm still bloodthirsty for more!
Miyazaki has so much freedom to create new IP that it's understandable we will never get sequels to Bloodborne, Sekiro or even Elden Ring (at least not directed by him). His next game will also be something new and different, described as more abstract fantasy. And guess what: it will also be one of his best work because he's in his element. Bloodborne 2 will ever happen but I bet it will get remaked in the future, no doubt about it. That being said, a wild west, native american mythological game is my most anticipated FromSoftware game right now.
Okay I WOULD play a Bloodborne 2 as the 1st game is my fav game of all time BUT I do not think it is needed. I would I like to see a DLC or 2 where you can play as either German OR Maria in the final days before The Hunt began where you join....if that makes sense.
Miyazaki has said multiple times that he has asked Sony for permission to make a bloodborne 2 but they won’t give him the green light. So if your worried about fromsoft making a quick cash grab game, I believe your worries are completely unfounded. This game was Miyazaki’s favorite to make after all.
You should really put more faith in your favorite developers, mate. You know, I felt the same way after Metal Gear Solid. But then came MGS2, and then MGS3. And there were also Bioshock 2, Bayonetta 2, Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect 2 (AND 3, YES!) Kingdom Hearts 2 (1.5 / 2.5 / 2.38987 or whatever) and Half Life 2 (Portal 2 as well) Terminator 2, and Aliens, and hell, Uncharted 2 (and 3, and 4) And now there's also a second coming of The Last of Us looming over us all, and I still keep having these thoughts, that TLOU was perfection and nothing else needs to happen in that universe. But then I tell myself to bite my tongue and remember that I, being an unworthy shrimp that I am, should just let Druckmann and his team do their job. You should probably give the same courtesy to Miyazaki-san, just saying (^_^)v
I didn't even saw the Video but agree with the statement/Video Title. I personally don't want a Bloodborne 2 because i fear it will be like for example a Destiny 2.
I would really love a Bloodborne 2 but he has a point. This could pave a way for new game themes and genre. If FromSoftware keeps us entertained with their games, I think their original contents on their games will always surprise us
Loved the video, as always! I'm genuinely torn on whether there should be a Bloodborne 2. The part of me that adores the atmosphere and lore craves a new chapter, but at the same time I don't want to accept that at the cost of the game's integrity. In the same vein, Bloodborne closes its game with what I feel is nearly a perfect sense of closure. The story could easily end right there with the sense of ascendance and that the night will repeat over and over again. It's a real masterpiece because when you get into it, the game keeps you pondering its concepts over and over again, all the while you get to appreciate its luscious design. What I feel is that I want a sequel only if it's going to have a similar level of care and passion put into it as the first. If that can't be the case, then I'm excited to see what FromSoft comes up with next!
Although I absolutely want a bloodborne sequel more than anything atm, I don’t exactly disagree with anything he said. When I give a video a dislike(which I don’t think I have) I do it with the intent of showing the person who posted it that he did something wrong so that he may learn from it. This man did nothing wrong. He gave an equally intricate and respectable opinion. If u don’t NEED to hate, why do it? But hey, this is MY opinion
intead of bloodborne it shold be called paleblood and tell the story of the phumerians and the greatones , a twisted adventure in the bowels of the earth and tombs
I don't want a blood borne 2 right now, but I would like them to revisit the universe in the future where they get a bunch of new ideas and have a different story to tell.
I actually just beat Bloodborne for the first time myself, and I have to say - the ending left me satisfied. I knew what became of my character, and a sequel would feel weird. How would they continue the game if our Hunter is a Great One? Not to mention how complete the lore feels. A second Bloodborne style game would be nice, but in a different setting with new worlds to explore and lore to uncover. But Bloodborne itself should be left alone, satisfying to complete and filled with tons and tons of lore.
why can't we have both? BB 2 and a new IP, just like we got DS 2 while BB was already in development. some would say Miyazaki won't be at the helm as he wasn't in DS 2. But I enjoyed DS 2 nevertheless, and so did many others. So yes, I want more BB.
I completely disagree with you. You are blowing things way out of proportion here. The whole basis for your opinion on the matter seems assume that Bloodborne is going to become a series (like Resident Evil or Assassin's Creed) that has more than ten sequels and goes all over the place. But we're talking about one sequel here. Just one. And I understand that it can be risky making sequels in any case, but taking risks breeds good things. Bloodborne itself was a total risk by Sony and From Software and look how it worked out. Besides, if you really don't want a Bloodborne II, but it gets released anyway, all you would have to do is not play it.
We have already seen FROM can do both. They were developing BB And DS2 at the same time I think. This is financially the best option. Milk the established IP for extra money while making something new in the background
Bloodborne 2 Confirmed. DEAL WITH IT ! Everyone who wishes Bloodborne 2 should not exist, shall burn ! Erm ... but what statement is that???? From Software should stop developing games now???
I'm conflicted because I think Bloodborne has so much going for it not to use it for a sequel but I'm also skeptical because, well look at Dark Souls' sequels. Same story with Demon's Souls.
I bought a ps4 just for this game. Played it for like ~130-150 hours. Sold my ps4 because of financial problems. When I was financially stable again, I bought the ps4 slim just to play this game again. I'm not playing every day, maybe in periods of two-three weeks and then a hiatus of a few months. But I always come back. Easily the best game in years.
And the only one that introduced stat reallocation. It would have been so cool to have it in bloodborne. People give it a lot less credit than it deserves.
I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. I just think there's SO MUCH more they could do with this game. With the setting, the lore and the transforming weapons. I don't want them to milk the franchise by any means, but I just want to see more of this game. Maybe just one sequel? Bloodborne is my absolute favorite game of all time and I just need more. Of course there's every chance that it'll be shit and doesn't live up the the first game, but I don't really care. DS2 didn't live up to DS1 and I still enjoyed the game regardless. I dunno. Maybe it'll actually be good? Maybe it won't even happen? I don't really know.
It's like you would want a sequel but you don't want to retread the same waters. Bloodborne's my first Souls game so I've never. Even if they would make a Bloodborne 2, I would like some empasis on "faction wars". Like how if you have a Radiance rune but if you're called into another world by someone who has a Corruption rune, you'll become a hostile hunter. Bloodborne mainly has that mainly towards the Vilebloods and Executioners. I wish there's some expanded on. As for lore, they'd have to traverse a different tale. Or take place in another "realm". Perhaps Bloodborne 1 takes place in Yharnam and Bloodborne 2 takes place in Wellachia or something. But, that's what I felt about Dark Souls 2 and 3 as well. Feels like you're treading the same waters but in a different game. But, on another hand, I see the games as standalone. As in, I wouldn't need to play Demon Souls and Dark Souls 1 to get what's going on in Dark Souls 2 and 3 if I was to start with a later installment.
So this is like 3 years from when the video was published, but I have thoughts so grats you get to read them lol. I'll say what I always say about FS games. We don't know as much as we "theorize"' that we know. I think there's still a ton of info that is only hinted at, that we could easily have a well crafted BB2. HOWEVER, I fully understand the fear of it being a bust like DS2. I would only really want a BB2 if it was well crafted and connected to the original lore well.
But I need eyes
So that we may have a viable arcane build
+Donald Twump
RIP, this was exactly my issue, the only viable PvP builds when you got to high tier plays were Bloodtinge and Skill builds using Chikage or Rakuyo.
B.B. Trinity meh I played through with an arcane build Moonlight Great sword was amazing and fun to play.
I did say "the only viable PvP builds"
I truly wish someone would try to use anything as slow as the Moonlight GS on me xD Id parry you 300% of the time.
Can't parry ranged attacks but you do have a fair point.
While I agree with you, I would play the shit out of Bloodborne 2.
Just you wait
Bloodborne 2 is the Dark Souls 2 of the soulslike
A Bloodborne 2 would not make the first Bloodborne game any less of a masterpiece.
Sam Hassani True.
Tbh I disagree. I think a sequel dilutes the original. You introduce another game associated with the same name. Just look at Dark Souls. Yes, most everyone agrees Dark Souls 1 is probably the best out of the series, and if nothing else, left a huge mark on the industry few games will ever have the privilege of leaving. But inevitably, conversation of Dark Souls 1 will eventually lead to conversation of Dark Souls 2 and 3, and the trilogy as a whole. It's suddenly not just Dark Souls 1 anymore, it's the Dark Souls trilogy. Even if Bloodborne 2 comes out as awesome or even better than Bloodborne 1, the original Bloodborne is now diluted with being tied to another game. I think the greatness of Bloodborne will shine more brightly in the far future if it's allowed to shine on its own. Let FROM make new IP's.
Benjamin Corey I completely agree!
Raptormann0205 no one says dark souls one is bad because dark souls 2 exists, they just say dark souls 2 is bad
Yea no a series can only shine when there are others to compare it to, you wouldn’t be able to say dark souls was the best out of the series until dark souls 2 came around, and if you really think that a second bloodborne game will dilute the series for you don’t play it it’s really that simple
If Miyazaki directed it, I would want BB2. I feel like there are a lot of ideas in BB that could be explored further and that could create the basis for a sequel.
Maybe go into the past and talk to Ludwig or Laurence before they became beasts?
Oscar of Astora I would like if they went back to pthumerian times.
Lucas Taylor or Oedon
it might not be a sequel but at least another DLC
Jérémie Campeau-Poirier thats impossible.
The gameplay of Bloodborne makes me want a sequel, but the lore makes me want them to never touch it again. The game has the most detailed, perfect lore I have ever seen in any game ever, actually, make that any piece of fiction ever, I'm not even fucking kidding. 95% of players kill every boss and finish the game without ever knowing what's going on, but if you put in the time to figure out everything it is absolutely mind blowing.
This sums up pretty much exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it better
Koroar That's me right there! I play the game but I have no idea what was going on
Exactly why it needs a sequel. FUCK LORE AND STORY. Worst part of any game ever.
Con Cahill No it isn't. You can go fuck yourself.
+Howya Doin What does lore and story add to the GAMEplay of a video GAME? Oh that's right absolutely nothing. What is the souls series famous for? Oh that's right the GAMEplay and level design which impacts the GAMEplay.
The game barely has any real story other than a few snippets here and there of lore on item descriptions.
bloodborne is too good not to do Somthing more with it.
blacksmith224
And let it rot? Uhh, no thank you.
That's what people said about Dark Souls 1
Filthy Daemon Spawn how would it rot? Why make sequels to anything in that case? I loved dark souls 2 it had solid lore and expanded the universe but I will say that it did have technical problems that hampered the experience. Dark souls 3 was great and the ringed city dlc looks amazing. Let's stop being afraid of them screwing up and give the studio a chance.
Vicar Amelia
Because, whether you like it or not, once a game gets a sequel and is highly successful, it goes down a road that leads to something it isn't.
Want an example? Sure: Halo. What happened to that? It lasted too long, and not only fell into the wrong hands, but became an utter shitshow.
Oh, also a whether you like it or not, Dark Souls III divided the community a little more so than DkS2, so we can gather from that, at... Dark Souls was about to go down the same road Halo did.
Also can you name 10 games that has 4 sequels and hasn't starting going off and being suicidal?
Seriously, I wanna kno, more games4me
blacksmith224 It is great as it is, leave it be lest we get another DKS2.
It wouldn't even make sense lore-wise, they would have to trivialise the *true* ending
I know I’m 4 years late to the conversation but seeing as there is still no BB2, I would like to offer my two cents that will probably reach no one.
Your main argument is that From Studios should not make a sequel as the game was amazing and there is a high chance that a sequel won’t live up to the original. I also saw you left a comment in regards to the lore being eloquent and something that shouldn’t be tarnished.
I disagree with your stances solely because you are assuming that the failure of a sequel will in some way affect the original. There are plenty of pieces of media that can still be appreciated even if future additions were terrible. Take Star Wars, Star Trek, the COD franchise, the battlefield franchise, the mass effect franchise, and so many more. In all of these situations, future additions to the franchise have not been as amazing as the original media, but no one looks back negatively on the original because of the flaws of the sequels. If I don’t like BB2, I’m more than willing to pretend it didn’t happen, as would most people.
Your argument is flawed and it doesn’t really hold up as an argument for why a sequel should not happen. Worst case scenario, it sucks. But best case scenario, it’s as good or even better than the original. If it sucks there are practically no consequences (unless you work for From or you preordered it, which is another problem in of itself). If it succeeds, we all get another game that we can love and enjoy.
Funnily enough, Dark Souls 2 was an underwhelming sequel to the masterpiece that was Dark Souls 1. As much as people shit on or defend DS2, nobody looks negatively at DS1 because of it. I will say because of what happened with DS2, the Dark Souls series DESPERATELY needed another entry to save it, but even Bamco wasn't sure if they'd risk it. Thankfully we had Miyazaki return for DS3, and wrapped a nice bow to give a final farewell to the series.
What I will say, however, is that I'm not sure if I'd ever want a Bloodborne 2 that isn't developed by FromSoft. A Soulsborne game without FromSoft is just a Souls-like, like if Dark Souls 4 was made by Bamco and not FromSoft themselves. I have no clue what Bluepoint is capable of in terms of making things that aren't just graphical enhancements of pre-existing games, or if they're capable of creating a solid sequel to one of the greatest games of all time. Would it just be another game added to the pile of Souls-likes? FromSoft has shown for the past decade that they're pretty much the only ones at the top in terms of quality and feel when it comes to the genre, so can Bluepoint compete?
Only time will tell if the rumors are true, and we'll only know if Bloodborne 2 is any good if it comes out. If you ask me, I'm very doubtful about this
Well said!
Exactly man, couldn’t of said it better myself
To me Bloodborne is whole. A perfect experience. I can't imagine that a second game could maintain this.
arcim87 it could we barely know shit about bb compared to ds lorewise and the scourge outside yharnam the universe can be expanded.
i agree. the first bloodborne is perfect. but if they can get the 2nd one to be atleast a 9 out of 10, that would work for me.
Of course they could maintain it. Just have it be set in a new area of the world, expand upon the lore, give us new enemies/bosses to fight, better customization and rpg elements. It could actually be improved upon imo.
RedLightning007 ye
the only issue it had was that you had to transfer back to the dream everytime you wanted to go to a different location, instead of like in darksouls, where you can rest at the camp fire, and just pick one of the 50 locations instead of having to go back to the dream.
I really want another blood borne doesn't need to be a trilogy but I want to play another one
Bloodborne 2 would be great, imagine the crazy ass weapons that there would be?
I kinda want 2 melee type weapons and 2 gun type.
trick-weapons and normal weapons and parry-guns and damage guns.
theonetruephobia moonlight greatsword 2.0
DARKASSASSIN 455 Lol yup!
gameplay wise i want abloodborne 2, lore wise i'm still on the fence, unless they have something up their sleeves, im not sure they can even out do the perfection of the bloodborne story
1r0zz I want a spiked ball on a chain, nunchucks and a boomerang type weapon.
Respectfully disagree. First you bring up the example of resident evil. This comparison is flawed imo and I'll explain why. The resident evil games were all published by capcom. As a publisher it's their job to maximise profit as a priority which is what lead to the ridiculous number of spin offs for that series. Also, the RE series has had multiple directors at the helm. After RE4 new directors were brought on and the creators of the series were no longer working on it. The vision was lost and this correlated with the growing displeasure of the fan base with RE5 and 6.
When it comes to souls games however from software has had the creator at the helm for every game apart from DS2, and with the fact that DS2 is the most disliked game in the series I think this exposes what truly goes wrong with long running 'niche' franchises.
Would you argue that Nintendo should stop making Mario games because you're scared they'll become stale? If so most would disagree because Miyamoto and Nintendo understands what makes those games great.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but to lack faith in a creator who has proven on 4 occasions that he can make games that engross and captivate players is what I would call ignorant. Personally I support Miyazakis vision and whatever direction that takes, and I believe FromSoft and Sony do too.
I'm not saying that Miyazaki should stop making games, I'm saying that one specific franchise should be left alone. I'm more than happy to see more "Souls-likes" from From.
Mitch L thanks for the reply. Don't think I suggested anywhere in my comment that you thought Miyazaki should stop making games though. I'm disagreeing with your point that bloodborne should not have a sequel. I believe it should if Miyazaki feels like taking on that challenge. As a society we don't say a certain director should stop making a certain style of film. As gamers we tend to adopt ownership of franchises because of their interactive nature but I don't feel that gives us the right to call what should and shouldn't happen. That decision should be left to the creator.
LoCi I think the main concern is “Where do you go from here?”. Bloodborne is in my eyes, a complete project. How does one add on to it? Dark Souls sequels while having slight differences in terms of weapons, characters, areas, and game mechanics all have essentially the exact same premise. You end up doing the same thing in the end. Nothing insanely new is added on that front, except for a couple of cool new lore bits here and there. I’m fine with that, because I was never a big fan of Dark Souls story to begin with. I didn’t DISLIKE it, it just didn’t hit any cylinders for me. Bloodborne I feel is very different in that regard, where the lore is a MAJOR component of the game in terms of importance, instead of a small side piece. Maybe because it’s just more interesting/intricate to me, I don’t know. I don’t see how you can make a Bloodborne 2 without it seeming like a rehash of the original. DIFFERENT Great Ones? DIFFERENT factions trying to obtain their power? DIFFERENT alternate realities? I feel like since story is a much larger part of Bloodborne, and the story’s been told, there shouldn’t be a sequel. That being said, I would totally play the hell out of it.
I think they should stop making Mario games.
@@PeacefulJoint i think they should stop making nintendos
I’d love a Bloodborne 2 that went back in time to explore the first contact between the Great Ones & The Pthumerians.
Is that the Kekistan National Anthem I hear in the background???
Meybeh
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Praise The KEK \[T]/
Dark Souls 3 is and should be the end of the Dark Souls series. However, I think Bloodborne is proof that they should not abandon the Souls formula altogether. Make a new IP each time with some minor and some major mechanical changes while still playing relatively the same as the Souls games. But this shouldn't be done too often. They're working on another right now; whether it's Bloodborne 2 or something different is debatable, but after it they should stay away from the Souls formula for at least a few years. When they come back to it, whatever they come up with will be fresh and the passion will be back with a vengeance, almost guaranteeing it'll be a great game. Plus, working on other stuff will give them the chance to possibly strike gold again with a new formula.
I totally respect your opinion, I see where you're coming from and I mysel am not a fan of sequels, but at the same time I can't deny that I LOVED the shit out of some sequels.
Dragon Age 2 is my favourite in the series despite its abysmal flaws, Final Fantasy X-2 is almost insulting when it comes to shift in tone and portrayal of characters from the original, but the combat system is easily one of the best in the series. Devil May Cry 3 is, once again, my favourite from said franchise and so is Kingdom Hearts 2. None of these titles 'tainted' in any way the beauty of the original game. The mindset that sequels 'ruin' the original is pretty childish in my eyes.
And Bloodborne is the game that restored my faith in gaming. I need another
one. Or at least a spiritual successor like DS was for DeS. The lore and
characters are too good to let them go. Heck, I played DS3 because I wanted MORE BLOODBORNE! XD
Bring it on, From. Bring BB2. I'm waiting.
I absolutely agree with you about the childish mentality that a mediocre sequel could ruin a original masterpiece
Some ideas that people were giving for the sequel were you play as your original character, who is now a great one, and since basically your a boss now, the bosses you fight are considered “opponents” , or it takes place in a whole new country in Italy , with all those masks and shit
I think that DMC3 has the best story and in few parts even soundtrack. And its also my favorite DMC.
Imagine playing a bloodborne prequel where you get to fight alongside a young Gehrman at the start of the churches blood transfers, and you become friends with Hunters that you have to kill later because blood-borne can't have happy endings
A prequel might would work with the old hunters, starting the whole shitstorm from the start.
I agree with your point that making another original game would be heaps better than a half-assed sequel but I can't help but want a continuation of the bloodborne story line as well as see what from software can do with the original mechanics. The rally system alone was brilliant. It forced players to take risks and promote aggressive gameplay. Transforming weapons were by far the greatest innovation to the souls series. That mechanic alone allowed for a huge range of play styles (rakuyo anyone?) and brought sword fighting to a whole new level. But obviously the game wasn't perfect. PVP was a joke. Only a handful of available areas to invade and a network connection that makes me want to rip my eyes out and stick my head in a bucket of lye. Yeah it had issues. But these are things that can be addressed and fixed if a sequel ever is released. I would love a new game with all the good bits of Bloodborne and fixing the bad but having that in a new title just sounds lazy to me. I'm looking forward to what from software creates in the next few years and I hope it lives up to the dark souls fanboys' expectations. I just hope we haven't seen the last of yharnam.
Evan Vetrano while my opinion differs I can respect it. My fear in them making a bloodborne 2 is it being like dark souls 2 I love Bloodborne it's my favorite game of the series. But if they do it needs to be exactly as you stated in your comment. With all respect peace ✌🏻
FromSoftware shouldn't make sequels, but instead crank out gameplay clones, each with a unique world and story. The Souls sequels weren't as good since scant story doesn't carry well, even with gameplay improvements.
agreed. from has created a gameplay formula that works wonderfully and that is the greatest asset of their games. besides, Hidetaka Miyazaki already showed us he is kind of an old school creator, an artist if you whant, at his best when creating new things he is passionate about..
I agree. I'll play all the DS clones you can throw at me. Speaking of which, I like that there are so many other devs starting to adopt this formula too. For all it's flaws, I really liked Lords of the Fallen and I absolutely LOVE Nioh. To be fair though, Nioh does enough fresh to stand on it's own.
EinsamPibroch278 yeah, you could have the same mechanics in a bew setting. You could even make a futuristic souls game.
Der allmächtige Herrscher über Zeit und Raum und alle Lebewesen und Pflanzen The Surge is technically a futuristic souls game
Michael Nutt With poor artistic direction though. I doubt that's even close to From Software idea of the future.
Bloodborne 2 could only be a letdown because you can't improve upon perfection. I am eagerly awaiting the next product from Miyazaki but would prefer it to be something new and innovative like Bloodborne was to Dark souls. Sony would be morons to not write him a blank check for his next work and give him complete autonomy and all of the time he needs to make it as he wants to.
Jz6x6 people said the thing about Demon Souls, believe it or not. But then Dark souls came out.
It's not perfect. From the top of my head, it could be bigger, have shorter loading times, more radically varied locations, finally get some facial animations, improve and expand on the chalice dungeon format, make elevators more stable, have less glitches overall.
Ochinpo Definitely no major problems. It's my favorite game of the current gen. But still I would be excited to play a sequel that improves on the first one even more, because there is still some room for that, maybe even in ways we can't think of ourselves right now.
Jz6x6
Bloodborne isn't a perfect game, it is without question the best game in the souls series but there are still many things that could be improved in a sequel.
1. Bloodborne's pvp isn't necessarily bad, it's just very unbalanced in favor of bloodtinge builds, and parry spamming, has little to no consequence in PvP. Perhaps in a bloodborne sequel missing a parry could be punishable. There are also imbalances between host and invader, so perhaps BB2 could add a duel mode, to make pvp specific matchmaking easier. In this mode both the host and invader have clamped and equally distributed stats, so neither one has an advantage.
2. CO-OP is probably the weakest part of this game. Not only does co-op make PvE too easy, it's also incredibly difficult to summon people and consistently co-op without having to constantly resummon. Especially in chalice dungeons where you have to resummon every layer. The co-op system can definitely be improved upon. CO-op gameplay should have no level restrictions but the game should be more difficult in co-op mode, similar to how Nioh handles co-op. Players should be able to co-op the entire game without having to be resummoned.
3. Chalice Dungeons can often be repetitive and are mostly played for blood gem grinding. There were some very impressive bosses in the chalice dungeons, watchdog of the old lords, bloodletting beast, pthumerian elder etc... but there is not much to desire with dungeons themselves. These chalice dungeons could have been a good platform for co-op gameplay, and could have had more depth and variety rather than being a small selection of the same rooms.
4. A bloodborne sequel could include all of the weapons from Bloodborne, with updated movesets, plus a new selection of trick weapons and Hunter tools to choose from.
5. Bloodborne is very replayable, but isn't a very long game, after beating Vicar Amelia, the rest of the main in game bosses are basically fought back to back.
- Shadows of Yharnam and Rom.
- One reborn and darkbeast.
- Micolash and Wet Nurse.
A newer bloodborne game could perhaps add more secret bosses, more bosses in general and expand upon the locations so multiple bosses are not fought in the same area. That would give some extra length to the game.
From a gameplay perspective, bloodborne definitely can be improved. It only needs to do the same thing, but bigger and better, with as Much dedication as dark souls and improve upon the inconsistencies.
There has unfortunately been only one expansion for Bloodborne which is a shame.
If not a sequel, I definitely want to see another bloodborne expansion.
Edit: Bloodborne's existing expansion already proved what the devs are capable in terms of boss design. The living failures were hit and miss, but there should be more bosses with the quality of Orphan, Lawrence and especially Maria and Ludwig.
Bloodborne had some weak boss designs like Witches of Hemwick, Celestial Emissary and Micolash. Bloodborne 2 could improve upon the boss design and create new bosses with the quality of the dlc ones. DS3 had many impressive bosses in ringed city, like Darkeater Midir and Slave Knight Gael. So there is definitely foundation for improvement.
Primal I enjoyed the boss design on Witches of Hemwick. It was just a bit too easy, both the witches and their shadow monsters should have been more aggressive from the start to make it more challenging.
Just like how; The Last of Us doesn’t need a Part II!
Tbh TLOU2 could have been a good game, but ND literally did their best to make the worst sequel ever, Im sure FromSoftware director is not as mentally challenged as Neil Druckman so a BB2 could be a good game
I don’t want a bloodborne 2 because bloodborne was a perfect open and shut story, with no need for a sequel.
I don't want a poorly done sequel, but I'd love a spiritual successor.
I am of two minds about this; I love bloodborne for its cohesive narrative and oppresive atmosphere, I love that old but new feeling i got throughout it, and the mysteries of the universe stuff is alway nice to delve into. But I also enjoy the exploration of ideas in dark souls 1-3. It's an interesting, if sometimes messy, journey of evolving our understanding of the world with each game.
I ONLY believe there should be a sequel to any souls game if Miyazaki wants to make it. If he wants to do a sequel of one of his games, I believe it could really come out as a quality game. I believe that Dark Souls 3 could have been really good if Miyazaki really wanted to do it. However, if Miyazaki doesn't want to do a sequel, it won't be as good.. It will be another DS3 that focuses mostly on fan service and rehashed content.
Dumptrucks Exactly, Miyazaki is god. Let him decide what he truly wants, so that he can ensure the best experience for him and us.
Dumptrucks True!
IDK if he wanted to do it or not but regardless of what he wanted he delivered. DS3 as far as lore goes greatly expands the IP and while there were a few problems with the game it still held it's own. That being said if Miyazaki was looking to wrap up the DS series he totally did that with the Ashes and the Ringed City DLC. When all of the lore is placed in front of you from the DLC it provides a satisfactory yet open ended ending to the series and yet it still leaves you wanting just a little bit more from the series be it bosses, lore, or answers to the questions you still have.
This is why we can't have nice things.
What?
Elaborate
And thus, Sekiro was born
I absolutely agree. Bloodborne really make its mark (pyn intended) with the use of cosmic horror & when using that there should be enough context to explain certain things there should be largely unanswered bigger questions that cause speculation & theory's. Cuz if you explain it all that's not cosmic horror. Bloodborne has the right balance of context & unanswered questions, The Old Hunters is a great dlc but nothing else after that should made.
I'd prefer a game that dies as a legendary masterpiece than continue living on as a garbage milked dry by its company.
And thank god Miyazaki is not money hungry we all can tell that he cares a lot about the quality of his creation. That man dedicated his life for his art not fortune.
I really hope the isolationist city with no humans left stays as one game, having a game that goes from classic horror to cosmic horror as a surprise would be ruined by the mere existence of a sequel.
Good point!
I think a sequel could potentially invert this formula, lending a surprise once more.
The game could begin with cosmic horror and descend into the beastly scourge and it's containment
@Thee Apollo sure but if people know it's cosmic horror at the beginning it's less interesting when the character learns of it. Besides the more you explain the horror (which a sequel enevitably would) the less scary it becomes
E3 2017
* cello starts playing *
" welcome home good hunter ... "
how sick would that be
S if I'm correct 13 to 15 of July. A pretty famous game designer was teasing that we maybe could see a bb2.
Nope
You kids just got Miyazaki-prank'd
Disagree, but I completely get what you're coming from.
Personally, I'm dying for a BB2, but I also want them to take their own sweet time with it. Let it be a pet project that spends plenty of time on the back burner, cooking up original and interesting ideas, and only brought into active development when they feel they're ready. But I do feel that not only will it happen, but it absolutely should happen. Bloodborne was too wonderful of a dream to abandon.
I'm perfectly fine with waiting 5 years or longer. Just do it right.
I don't understand this obsessive notion that just because something was good, we need more of it. Do you have no self control? Have you never heard the phrase "Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing"? Yes, Bloodborne was a wonderful, fantastic game. Now let it rest instead of letting corporate greed run it into the ground with unnecessary sequels.
Tipsy T-Rex agreed. As long as the same team is working on it, I'd love to see a Bloodborne 2 and I'd patiently wait for a PS5 release if thats how long it takes to make a sequel worthy of a masterpiece.
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Honestly, Bloodborne is my favourite game of all time, but I don't think I'd want a sequel. I feel like it would never live up to the first game and that ultimately it would just be a disappointment, just like DS2. I'd prefer a new, fresh, souls-like IP, just like Bloodborne was, so we can go into the game with open minds and enjoy the brand new world Miyazaki has to offer. I don't think I'd be upset if a Bloodborne sequel was announced but I don't think I'd be very happy either. I'd sure as fuck be excited though.
xMinteee I agree but also disagree. Godamnit I'd love to have a Bloodborne 2 (or Demon's Souls 2) but at the same time I don't :/
The issue with Dark Souls having sequels is that DS was just a slow and worse version of Demon's Souls to begin with. Going back and playing DS1 is so meh after playing Bloodborne because of Bloodbornes overwhelming game play. Dark Souls weapons pretty much all work exactly the same. They swing side to side or up and down with barely any variation and R1 is the king. In Bloodborne you can actually create combos of R1's,R2's,L1's, and L2's.
I'll say this to you if you want fresh go check out Nioh, I freaking love Nioh yes it is kind of a Dark Souls clone but it's original enough in terms of gameplay and mechanics to truly shine on it's own. It has a DS difficulty with a Diablo dungeon crawling feel to it. The builds you can do in-game are more overlappable than with DS so you can specialize in one thing but generalize enough in the others so you have options. I will say this though the enemy types are limited but the bosses are widely varied. just my thoughts
I don't agree... Bloodborne is definitely a masterpiece, but it left A LOT of unanswered questions that us hardcore fans need answers for!!.... You keep trying to spin this by saying things like "hope they don't give into corporate interest"... It's the fan interest, for a sequel.. We need more!
Bloodborne is definitely my favourite game, it kind of owns my soul tbh. I still play through it regularly, but it's been out for quite a while now, and I'm worried that I might be wearing it out for myself. All that said however, unless Miyazaki actually wants to make a sequel (and we know he doesn't like sequels), I don't want one. I'll be content pottering around with the lore, and waiting to see what new project he'd rather be working on.
I got bloodborne when it was free and I haven't stoped playing. I think I need help but at the same time bloodborne is love bloodborne is life bloodborne is just like 4th wife
Seems like I'm not going to bed anyway. Your videos are always awesome!
I profoundly believe that bb2 should come to fruition, ONLY if the team working on it is as creative and passionate as the first time around. Though there was much public pressure, it’s very obvious that ds2 had people who were involved with what they were doing. Ds2 has some of the most expansive lore in the series, and aside from a huge gamble with the combat system, ds2 is fun to explore and play. I want Bloodborne 2, but not if it’s going to be another dark souls 3 pre-dlc. I want mostly entirely original content
"Bosses are the best best in the series"
*shows footage of bullshit death to horrible boss*
I think it all hinges on Myuzaki's interest in the project. If he is passionate about what he's creating, it'll probably be as good as Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Bloodborne, which were all very close to him. Dark souls 2 and Dark Souls 3 really only happened because Bando Namcai knew that the games were well made with a loyal and growing fan base which they could cash in on. I think that if Hidetaka Myuzaki is excitedly and happily making Bloodborne 2, I would be passing out with excitement. If he's being whipped into making Bloodborne 2 by SONY as he tries to call his family to tell them that he's being held captive and being forced into making a game that he hates, I'd expect something along the lines of Dark Souls 3 and temper my hype.
I kind of disagree solely on the basis that ds2 demonstrated to me that while sequels can be very mechanically weak compared to the original when we are talking about From, they can still go in fascinating directions. I love 2 because it actually had the guts to go in radical directions from the original from a lore and story stance,. Ds3 is just a souless copy of ds1 that while pretty, plays it totally safe (although the ringed city seems to finally be innovating) but from did prove with 2 that they are capable to expanding on their lore in interesting ways even if they were not planned from the beginning
OfficialChrissums dark souls 3 is the best
OfficialChrissums Dark Souls 3 is a soulless copy? I disagree. There are many new concepts in dark souls 3. And the lords of cinders as plot devices are excellent.
im curious what you like best about it. Thematically it does almost nothing new, the pvp is royally fucked, and the admittedly really good boss fights just arnt enough to prop it up for me. Especially since Ashes of ariandel is such a lame dlc that it actually hurts the game more than it helps it imo.
Also DS2 had by far the worst areas in the series
"I love 2 because it actually had the guts to go in radical directions from the original from a lore and story stance."
Why not make a different game then?
To be honest, no thing that wasn’t intended to have a sequel from the start shouldn’t have one, as much as one would be tempted to want one...
I want more Miyazaki flavored Souls, DeS, DaS and Bloodborne are masterpieces, they have something DaS 2 and 3 sorely lack.
i absolutely agree with this. there'd be no way in hell they'd be able to replicate what this game did. it's so self contained and complete that it just doesn't need anything else.
There are two things I want from a Bloodborne 2:
More beastly beasthood like the rumors that were circling pre-release of Bloodborne 1.
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When my friend that's really into the souls series demanded that I try it out, I picked Bloodborne over DS3 because I was unfamiliar with the Dark Souls lore/story, and because Bloodborne was only $20 while DS3 was full price and I didn't want to waste money if I found that the challenging gameplay didn't agree with me. I will admit, the first time I tried it I quit after the first few hours and forgot about it until after I graduated. It's been a week since I picked it up again and I can't be more happy that I did. This game was a hidden gem in the RPG genre that absolutely swept me off my feet and showed me what I had always been searching for in vain in other RPGs. From Software is wise to make another original IP, because it's clear that when they do they create something of true quality and unique character, and the gaming industry needs that more than ever in an age when almost nothing in gaming is original and everything is either a sequel, a resurrection to a series past its prime, or another copy paste open world survival, team shooter or "indie platformer."
Basically what your saying is (I think) that new ips allow from soft to be as creative and free with their game design, where as a sequel is a very similar game, with graphical enhancements, new bosses, story and content. Bloodborne is BY FAR my favourite game EVER. To see a sequel is my dream, the characters, mysterious story, bosses and famous dark gritty visuals just compliment each other so well. Because of this, I instinctively want a sequel, if it were your favourite game you would too right? But I can see your point, the freedom they got with bloodborne was what made it so unique. Often the original is the best, my question is, would you be displeased if there were a sequel? After watching this video and giving some thought (not while dreaming) I am questioning whether I really would like a sequel. I would probably be happiest if they created a new IP set in Bloodborne's universe, with plenty of references and perhaps even a character camio. In my opinion, a sequel is inevitable, whether it is under the title Bloodborne 2, this year or not.
Alpine Bear some pretty famous game designer from moon studios was teasing bloodborne 2 in one of his posts.
Still waiting for a sequel. I’ve decided to delusionally think that they’ve been working on it for 5 years straight in a super high effort, highly secret plan to make the best game ever devised in human history.
Still…
waiting…
honestly I'd want gameplay similar to it, rather than an exact 1:1 story
I agree, Bloodborne is masterpiece that stands on its own. The fact that there's only one game, makes it more special.
Calls estus flasks "healthpacks"... your opinion is void
It depends. If it comes out on FREAKIN' PC I need it
PixelHunter Don't think there'll be a sequel. But if there is, I hope it doesn't go multiplatform. I just hate the Dark Souls' fanbase (yes, specifically Dark Souls' fanbase). It is the one thing in the franchise that can always piss me off. And then there's the "PC master race" who're also annoying.
However, I know the obnoxious pricks are a minority since the loudest of people usually are. So it sucks that people who genuinely enjoy the series can't play the likes of Demon's and Bloodborne :/
PixelHunter You'll never get it on PC because it is owned by Sony, later kiddo.
TheGreen Tortoise FromSoft has no say in it at all.
"ALMOST" LMAO.
Bloodborne 2 with nioh mechanics & fighting mechanics would be game of the year status. I guess developers wont ever think like us. For Honor is the closest thing to what I call a REAL game.
Maybe a spin-off, set in a different part of the world, or just adding some more to the history with more Dreams like in The Old Hunters? That way there'd be no need to proceed forward in time past the "true" ending.
Doesn't matter much to me, just want more stuff (weapons, arcane relics, armour, locations, enemies and bosses).
I really like playing a caster or similar, so I just want a way to make a viable build like that.
I mean seriously, the Milkweed rune makes you an Old One(or at least kin?), why not boost the available casting items with it equiped, not just altering a single weapon...
Everyone here saying how a sequel could taint and ruin the lore and story the game has, lmao. Honestly it doesn't need to be a continuation or connected to Bloodborne at all! Just give me that Victorian aesthetic, throw in some steampunk weapons and armour, spook us with some Babadook shit, and let us kill more monsters for fook's sake! That's all I'm askin man. I'm still bloodthirsty for more!
For me bloodborne's the best and after that dark souls 1. I hate DS3
what's good about bloodborne is that you don't fat roll in the game unlike dark souls 3 where fat rolling is a thing.
Miyazaki has so much freedom to create new IP that it's understandable we will never get sequels to Bloodborne, Sekiro or even Elden Ring (at least not directed by him). His next game will also be something new and different, described as more abstract fantasy. And guess what: it will also be one of his best work because he's in his element. Bloodborne 2 will ever happen but I bet it will get remaked in the future, no doubt about it. That being said, a wild west, native american mythological game is my most anticipated FromSoftware game right now.
Well you jinxed the Londor dlc. let's hope now we get a Bloodborne 2 :3 lol
Okay I WOULD play a Bloodborne 2 as the 1st game is my fav game of all time BUT I do not think it is needed. I would I like to see a DLC or 2 where you can play as either German OR Maria in the final days before The Hunt began where you join....if that makes sense.
Miyazaki has said multiple times that he has asked Sony for permission to make a bloodborne 2 but they won’t give him the green light. So if your worried about fromsoft making a quick cash grab game, I believe your worries are completely unfounded. This game was Miyazaki’s favorite to make after all.
You should really put more faith in your favorite developers, mate.
You know, I felt the same way after Metal Gear Solid. But then came MGS2, and then MGS3.
And there were also Bioshock 2, Bayonetta 2, Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect 2 (AND 3, YES!) Kingdom Hearts 2 (1.5 / 2.5 / 2.38987 or whatever) and Half Life 2 (Portal 2 as well) Terminator 2, and Aliens, and hell, Uncharted 2 (and 3, and 4)
And now there's also a second coming of The Last of Us looming over us all, and I still keep having these thoughts, that TLOU was perfection and nothing else needs to happen in that universe. But then I tell myself to bite my tongue and remember that I, being an unworthy shrimp that I am, should just let Druckmann and his team do their job.
You should probably give the same courtesy to Miyazaki-san, just saying (^_^)v
I didn't even saw the Video but agree with the statement/Video Title.
I personally don't want a Bloodborne 2 because i fear it will be like for example a Destiny 2.
I would really love a Bloodborne 2 but he has a point. This could pave a way for new game themes and genre. If FromSoftware keeps us entertained with their games, I think their original contents on their games will always surprise us
Loved the video, as always! I'm genuinely torn on whether there should be a Bloodborne 2. The part of me that adores the atmosphere and lore craves a new chapter, but at the same time I don't want to accept that at the cost of the game's integrity. In the same vein, Bloodborne closes its game with what I feel is nearly a perfect sense of closure. The story could easily end right there with the sense of ascendance and that the night will repeat over and over again. It's a real masterpiece because when you get into it, the game keeps you pondering its concepts over and over again, all the while you get to appreciate its luscious design. What I feel is that I want a sequel only if it's going to have a similar level of care and passion put into it as the first. If that can't be the case, then I'm excited to see what FromSoft comes up with next!
The rumors are getting stronger now, Mitch. It feels a Bloodborne 2 by Bluepoint is inevitable at this point and I'm scared
Although I absolutely want a bloodborne sequel more than anything atm, I don’t exactly disagree with anything he said. When I give a video a dislike(which I don’t think I have) I do it with the intent of showing the person who posted it that he did something wrong so that he may learn from it. This man did nothing wrong. He gave an equally intricate and respectable opinion. If u don’t NEED to hate, why do it? But hey, this is MY opinion
The fact I could still hear Rich Evans laugh turned down to almost 0 and over your own voice, just shows how much of a God that man truly is.
intead of bloodborne it shold be called paleblood and tell the story of the phumerians and the greatones , a twisted adventure in the bowels of the earth and tombs
I really loved Dark Souls 1 and 2 so much! really loved bloodborne too but dark souls 3 really sucked I absolutely hated it :/
I don't want a blood borne 2 right now, but I would like them to revisit the universe in the future where they get a bunch of new ideas and have a different story to tell.
I much preferred Dark Souls 2 to the 3rd one. I couldn't get immersed into the game.
This video didn't aged well on Resident Evil lol
Agree. No bb2. It’s awesome as it. It has already build itself as the best of the best.
the 3rd ending on BB Makes the game kinda impossible to release a 2nd game
As long as myazaki wants to make it and is passionate about it it I would play it
if anything I just want another expansion like the old hunters
"The bosses are the best in the series" (shows footage of the worst boss in the series)
I actually just beat Bloodborne for the first time myself, and I have to say - the ending left me satisfied. I knew what became of my character, and a sequel would feel weird. How would they continue the game if our Hunter is a Great One? Not to mention how complete the lore feels. A second Bloodborne style game would be nice, but in a different setting with new worlds to explore and lore to uncover. But Bloodborne itself should be left alone, satisfying to complete and filled with tons and tons of lore.
The bosses are the best in the series (shows Laurence: The first Dickcar)
I'd give my right leg for just a DLC for bb1
But the first one don't work good need more yharnamsayinnnn?
Nope. Gimme BB2 baybeeeee
why can't we have both? BB 2 and a new IP, just like we got DS 2 while BB was already in development. some would say Miyazaki won't be at the helm as he wasn't in DS 2. But I enjoyed DS 2 nevertheless, and so did many others. So yes, I want more BB.
It’s annoying but true, the lore works and that’s it
I'm not asking for a BB 4,5, and 6. Just one 2.
Do I agree? Yes. Do I still want BB2? Yes
From Software, make Yharnam great again!
I still have hope that there will be more
I completely disagree with you. You are blowing things way out of proportion here. The whole basis for your opinion on the matter seems assume that Bloodborne is going to become a series (like Resident Evil or Assassin's Creed) that has more than ten sequels and goes all over the place. But we're talking about one sequel here. Just one. And I understand that it can be risky making sequels in any case, but taking risks breeds good things. Bloodborne itself was a total risk by Sony and From Software and look how it worked out. Besides, if you really don't want a Bloodborne II, but it gets released anyway, all you would have to do is not play it.
We have already seen FROM can do both. They were developing BB And DS2 at the same time I think. This is financially the best option. Milk the established IP for extra money while making something new in the background
This video has aged nicely
Bloodborne 2 Confirmed. DEAL WITH IT ! Everyone who wishes Bloodborne 2 should not exist, shall burn ! Erm ... but what statement is that???? From Software should stop developing games now???
I'm conflicted because I think Bloodborne has so much going for it not to use it for a sequel but I'm also skeptical because, well look at Dark Souls' sequels. Same story with Demon's Souls.
I bought a ps4 just for this game. Played it for like ~130-150 hours. Sold my ps4 because of financial problems. When I was financially stable again, I bought the ps4 slim just to play this game again. I'm not playing every day, maybe in periods of two-three weeks and then a hiatus of a few months. But I always come back.
Easily the best game in years.
Everybody always talks about how bad ds2 was but its still my favorite installment in the series
Although soul memory was really really fucked up and stupid
And the only one that introduced stat reallocation. It would have been so cool to have it in bloodborne. People give it a lot less credit than it deserves.
I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. I just think there's SO MUCH more they could do with this game. With the setting, the lore and the transforming weapons. I don't want them to milk the franchise by any means, but I just want to see more of this game. Maybe just one sequel? Bloodborne is my absolute favorite game of all time and I just need more. Of course there's every chance that it'll be shit and doesn't live up the the first game, but I don't really care. DS2 didn't live up to DS1 and I still enjoyed the game regardless. I dunno. Maybe it'll actually be good? Maybe it won't even happen? I don't really know.
It's like you would want a sequel but you don't want to retread the same waters. Bloodborne's my first Souls game so I've never. Even if they would make a Bloodborne 2, I would like some empasis on "faction wars". Like how if you have a Radiance rune but if you're called into another world by someone who has a Corruption rune, you'll become a hostile hunter. Bloodborne mainly has that mainly towards the Vilebloods and Executioners. I wish there's some expanded on. As for lore, they'd have to traverse a different tale. Or take place in another "realm". Perhaps Bloodborne 1 takes place in Yharnam and Bloodborne 2 takes place in Wellachia or something. But, that's what I felt about Dark Souls 2 and 3 as well. Feels like you're treading the same waters but in a different game. But, on another hand, I see the games as standalone. As in, I wouldn't need to play Demon Souls and Dark Souls 1 to get what's going on in Dark Souls 2 and 3 if I was to start with a later installment.
So this is like 3 years from when the video was published, but I have thoughts so grats you get to read them lol.
I'll say what I always say about FS games. We don't know as much as we "theorize"' that we know. I think there's still a ton of info that is only hinted at, that we could easily have a well crafted BB2. HOWEVER, I fully understand the fear of it being a bust like DS2. I would only really want a BB2 if it was well crafted and connected to the original lore well.
I want a Bloodborne 2.