The Limits of Bulbous Bows

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  • Bulbous bows are not miracle devices. Learn their limits and how to use them effectively.
    Want to design a bulbous bow? Start with these two papers:
    A. M. Kracht, "Design of Bulbous Bows," SNAME Transactions, vol. 86, pp. 197-217, 1978.
    P. Blume and A. M. Kracht, "Prediction of the Behavior and Propulsive Performance of Ships with Bulbous Bow in Waves," SNAME Transactions, vol. 93, pp. 79-94, 1985.
    And just to prove that there are exceptions to every rule, meet a firm that developed a simple bulbous bow. It looks like a dumb pipe, but they have model tests to show that it works.
    www.brayyachtde...
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Комментарии • 302

  • @SaveThePurpleRhino
    @SaveThePurpleRhino 7 лет назад +42

    Good video mate. Brief and with animating the general concept, perfect for intro class. Perhaps a video about propeller characteristic next time ?

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  7 лет назад +9

      Good idea! I'll add that to my list of videos that I want to produce. I am also working on a video to diagnose why a ship might be listing to one side.

  • @patrickbray1439
    @patrickbray1439 7 лет назад +52

    Thank you for referencing my "bad bulb", it produced a 12% reduction in powering. I found your video very informative but with a few myths. A bulb does work exactly as you have described, full points for that. The "good bulb" you reference is designed for one speed and as you have pointed out only produces maximum effect at one speed. The bulb form that we use is effective over a wide range of speed and draft. It is typically used on craft under 100 ft. and speeds to 20 knots with a 12% - 17% reducing in powering and over 30% reduction in pitching. We have retrofitted them to over 60 vessels and now have such a large data base that we can use simple formulas without need for model testing or CFD on every bulb. I am sure for an additional $100,000 in CFD you could probably squeeze another 1% but then maybe not. Oh yes, and we have done extensive model testing and CFD on our bulbs and hull forms. You can find many of our model test programs on RUclips.

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  7 лет назад +30

      My apologies. I have seen many simplified bulbous bows based on capped pipes, where the pipe length was not calibrated to produce the correct interference pattern. I'm especially impressed if your company has created effective bulbous bows with such a simplified construction. Nice job. And I'm glad to see you verified it with model test data. That is a true professional. For anyone interested, you find videos of model tests conducted by this firm here: ruclips.net/video/vnJ-qGTOkO8/видео.html

    • @Keltaras
      @Keltaras 6 лет назад +1

      This should not be as funny as it is, but it is :D He also got the minimum amount of required CFD calculations, when used during the design phase, wrong... Though I guess his video series is aimed at non professionals so...
      Edit for it not showing Nicholas' answer. Props for that!

    • @cartmanrlsusall
      @cartmanrlsusall 6 лет назад

      Patrick Bray thats good news now rry usung that bulb for a 30 foot sailing catamaran wide hulls rhat still sail fast and are blue water capable would make a good livaboard.cruising yacht.

    • @dropjesijs
      @dropjesijs 6 лет назад +4

      A hundred thousand for cfd calculations? Are you serious? We charge a fraction of that. And yes. Bulbs work great for one trim, one draft and one speed... So great for ferries.

    • @Youlie2142
      @Youlie2142 6 лет назад +4

      Hahaha, what are the odds that this dude is watching RUclips and sees a picture of himself under ‘bad design’ !

  • @jayqpublic6209
    @jayqpublic6209 5 лет назад +6

    Any bulbous bow that doesn't have a glass viewing dome is useless.
    How else can you get your Captain Nemo on?

  • @freefall0483
    @freefall0483 7 лет назад +29

    Most operators wpuld benefit more from properly coating their hulls to avoid growth of sea life. The parisitic drag of a healthy dose of barnacles is going to do more harm than bow design. I was also impressed at the suggestion of looking into screw design. Very few people seem to understand the benefits of an efficient propeller. I find this strange as many pleasure craft operators will put high efficiency screws on outboards yet multi billion dollar companies don't give a second thought.

    • @joshlower1
      @joshlower1 3 года назад

      Jets are the future propellers will soon be obsolete

    • @freefall0483
      @freefall0483 3 года назад +1

      @@joshlower1 Nope.

    • @joshlower1
      @joshlower1 3 года назад

      @@freefall0483 yup

    • @christianeriksson4733
      @christianeriksson4733 3 года назад

      @@joshlower1 Although there are some advantages to water jets, fuel efficiency is definitely not one of them.

    • @joshlower1
      @joshlower1 3 года назад

      @@christianeriksson4733 like anything else they will eventually be made more efficient

  • @othernicksweretaken
    @othernicksweretaken 3 года назад +3

    @03:42 as a student of naval architecture I had the pleasure to get to know Dr. Alfred Kracht during my two years that I was working as a trainee student in the Berlin Ship Model Basin VWS where he was one of the senior ship hydrodynamicists, such a fine guy and endless source of wisdom and experience.

  • @drewrowl
    @drewrowl 2 года назад +1

    I hate them to but it changed the regular ship into a waveless passer bye. If you see the ship leaving less wake and less waves? Then the medicine is working. Even at the docks you are the hero.

  • @hermannbose7347
    @hermannbose7347 5 лет назад +5

    I’ve seen a 14feet dinghy fitted with a bulbous bow 😂

  • @CCCPXEPO
    @CCCPXEPO 7 лет назад +9

    I have enjoyed your video, thoroughly amusing and informative. Thank you.

  • @Ramash440
    @Ramash440 3 года назад +1

    I wonder why many Navy vessels have bulbous bows, other than for the sonar that is. The Arleigh Burke class destroyers have it, and those are relatively small vessels that change speeds all the time depending on whether they're navigating alone, engaged in combat or sailing as part of a Carrier Group. At least on a surface level they sound like bad candidates but I'm pretty sure that every naval engineer at Bath Iron Works knows a wee bit more than I do about the subject.

    • @brucer4021
      @brucer4021 Год назад

      Gibbs & Cox was the Nav Arch / Marine Engineer for the Burke Class.

  • @nlo114
    @nlo114 6 лет назад +5

    Excellent video. I now understand how they work and will be able to talk about bulbous bows in the pub without people looking at me strangely.

  • @tomardans4258
    @tomardans4258 6 лет назад +8

    Could one design a telescoping bulb, to optimize at different speeds?

    • @strelnikoff7
      @strelnikoff7 6 лет назад +5

      In theory - yes. And perhaps in practice it is possible to design such variable flow profile or "speed" bulb design. There were some studies done. But it is not practical for few reasons. As it was pointed out in this video, bulbs are added to increase efficiency of slow moving large ships, and benefits are felt over a longer period of time (i.e. imagine oil tanker on 1,000 miles route, even a 0.5% increase in efficiency will be practical). For those ships it make sense to design a bulb for cruising speed and slap the steel and leave it be. Where one may think variable bulb may make difference is ships with dynamic "performance" - think of faster moving ships (military vessels), yachts and so on. Their overall performance is largely improved and affected by special hull shape, propulsion systems and so on. They are not economical ships for the most part and having the "fast hull" or multi-hull or different propulsion (variable) will have far greater effect than any BB added. Let's say, a BB will increase efficiency 2% efficiency over 5% of time (low velocity/speed scenario i.e. in ports). That is not much - given that the design will be very complex, added weight and require maintenance. So, it would be a cool feature - but with minimal economics (in fact, mostly negative).
      Fast moving vessels, or vessels that are maneuvering a lot at various speeds - require either smaller wetted surface to reduce drag (friction) or hull shape of low "box coefficient"...

    • @tomardans4258
      @tomardans4258 6 лет назад

      strelnikoff7 it’s about harmonics, as I understand it. I read that motorcycle companies toyed with telescoping exhaust manifolds to adjust back pressure at different RPMs.

  • @776281
    @776281 3 года назад +1

    I thought that bad bulbs on trawlers could still save fuel by reducing the amount of pitching. The bulb was not sealed but allowed to fill with sea water.

  • @theinterceptor7223
    @theinterceptor7223 6 лет назад +7

    The queen Mary 2’s engineers are great

  • @growthandunderstanding
    @growthandunderstanding 5 лет назад +3

    Great video, Sir. Thanks to you, I am no longer seeking to install a bulbous bow on my sailboat.

  • @daylenhigman8680
    @daylenhigman8680 4 года назад +4

    Imagine a bulbous bow that expand and contracts depending on speed and wave conditions 🤔
    Could be do-able on a tugboat:)

    • @skunkjobb
      @skunkjobb 4 года назад +3

      I was thinking about that too. I guess it would be quite a hard to get it working and be reliable for years under water. Rubber that is inflated with water is one thought but it would lack rigidity and change form on it's own.

    • @daylenhigman8680
      @daylenhigman8680 4 года назад

      What if you reinforced it with leaf springs and a pistion,creating a wisk shap that can change sizes and shap
      Via compressing the leaf spings with the piston?

    • @chaz000006
      @chaz000006 4 года назад

      @@skunkjobb What about using one of those expandable rhombicosidodecahedrons, or whatever they're called?

    • @BruderRaziel
      @BruderRaziel 2 года назад +1

      Of course, why did nobody think of putting our magical expandy-thing on ships that accomodates the waves, yet is strong enough to be placed on the most stressed part of any ship? Also, it cannot have moving parts, but its magical, so thats fine, isnt it?

    • @hanelyp1
      @hanelyp1 2 года назад

      Looking at simplified bulb construction, length, diameter, and vertical position are major parameters. Length could be varied with a telescoping bulb. Diameter strikes me as the most difficult major parameter to change in operation.

  • @welliguessimwhateverusayia8533
    @welliguessimwhateverusayia8533 3 года назад +1

    Will it work on my patio pontoon boat. I got a welding machine

  • @myongpark
    @myongpark 6 лет назад +2

    Awesome vid, with great info. One little sticking point, a theory is an idea that has been proven in practical application, is well documented, and is repeatable for the purpose of peer review. Let’s not diminish the word, regarding its science and engineering value, to cater to the widespread misuse in everyday parlance. The everyday “theory” people speak of is more closely represented by the word hypothesis, or even speculation.

    • @weatheranddarkness
      @weatheranddarkness 4 года назад +1

      Outside of the strict linguistics of the physical sciences, meaning everywhere else the language is used, the meaning is much closer to hypothesis. The word was not formed for the express use of scientific literature.

  • @vk45de54
    @vk45de54 7 лет назад +22

    So... no bulbous bow for my RC boat?

    • @mrfixitusa6165
      @mrfixitusa6165 5 лет назад

      Only if your RC boat is a bearing sea icebreaking RC boat.😁

    • @paddlesaddlelad1881
      @paddlesaddlelad1881 3 года назад

      if you want an rc container ship, then get a bulbous bow

  • @Awol991
    @Awol991 6 лет назад +2

    Has nobody made an adjustable bulbous bow? Tune the length to your current desired speed.

  • @stephenbritton9297
    @stephenbritton9297 6 лет назад +2

    on the other hand... I worked on a ship with a very round, barge like bow once. When in ballast (being a tanker on a time charter, that was 1/2 the time) she had VERY poor directional stability. Not sure how much a bulb itself supports directional stability, but that was the only ship I ever worked on with a bow like the HMS VICTORY, and it was the only one I ever encountered that kind of directional instability.
    Also, speaking of BAD bulbs, look up the DOUBLE EAGLE class tankers made by Newport News Shipbuilding in the late 1990's... oye!

  • @alexhayden2303
    @alexhayden2303 6 лет назад +2

    The hydro-dynamic effects and the additional bouyancy?

  • @markfryer9880
    @markfryer9880 6 лет назад +5

    Nick, it occurred to me that if you could make the bulbous bow variable in length it could then be adjusted to suit any change in the optimum speed range for the vessel. It would not be easy to make but as with anything it could be achievable.
    What are you thoughts on the matter?

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  6 лет назад +6

      Interesting thought. Possible, but I'm not sure the benefits would be worth the extra hassle. Generally, any situation where the ship frequently changes speed will be when the crew are maneuvering the ship in a busy area. In those cases, I doubt they would take the extra time to adjust the bulb. But I could be wrong. I'm sure there is a niche application where this could work.
      There are other examples of tackling the problem of multiple speeds. I believe MARIN offers a service to optimize the bulbous bow to work at two or three different speed (but not the whole range between them). I'm a little skeptical about those.
      But there are other examples of adjusting for speed. Propellers face the same problem that they are design to be most efficient at one ship speed. So we created controllable pitch propellers where the crew can actively change the angle of the blades to get best efficiency at their current speed.

    • @kef103
      @kef103 6 лет назад

      Right just rub as needed lol

    • @hegantetamboktyanak6368
      @hegantetamboktyanak6368 6 лет назад

      My thoughts exactly you beat me to the comment

    • @_John_P
      @_John_P 2 года назад

      @@DatawaveMarineSolutions It is all automatic. A variable geometry bulbous bow would also be.

  • @chasx7062
    @chasx7062 2 года назад

    I have seen French trawlers with dual "bulbous" bows....ie, they have the normal bow shape on top to ride over the waves BUT under the waterline it the xbow or pointer" to cut thru the waves and allowing for smoother ride!!

  • @benjaminstanly2805
    @benjaminstanly2805 4 года назад +1

    Im getting bulbous tonight oh baby!!!

  • @juliovergaraaimone6603
    @juliovergaraaimone6603 Год назад

    Bulbous bows seem to conflict between reduced residual and increased frictional resistances. What about bulbous bows in naval ships? Even DDG-51 almost got a small bulbous bow on top of a large one. Several operating naval ships with large speed ranges use bows, some of then very fat bulbs probably to accommodate sonars and several with small and thin bulbs (i.e. Meko A-200). Too many future naval concepts incorporate bulbs. And what is the effect of inverted bows on the seakeeping of naval vessels?

  • @tomshultz7832
    @tomshultz7832 5 лет назад +1

    Even a simple pipe welded on to the front has benefits. The water flowing past the bulb is flowing in laminar state, by the time it hits the main hull it's transitioned to a turbulent state. The turbulent state offers less resistance.
    Let me know what you think.

    • @kenlee-97
      @kenlee-97 4 года назад

      Hi Tom, great comment, w h at you stated males a lot of sense in regards to the laminar flow at the bow of the vessel.

  • @trevoris18
    @trevoris18 7 месяцев назад

    Great video, I came looking to see if the bulbous bow would've affected a historical merchant ship and your video was thorough enough to answer without directly talking about sailing vessels.

  • @WAX6428
    @WAX6428 6 лет назад

    Seriously, you couldn't put your q-cards closer to the lens of the camera........................

  • @lexiecrewther7038
    @lexiecrewther7038 Год назад

    Two wrongs don't make a right. A noisy power tool produces a wave. Noise cancelling headphones also produce a wave. Both consume energy. The fact that the two waves cancel out does not mean energy was saved. In fact more was used. A bulbous bow adds drag. You cannot provide a physics mechanism for energy saving

  • @markomarten
    @markomarten 2 года назад

    I wonder if a bulbous bow would be worth considering on a Nordhavn 92 feet exploring yacht or similar,they seem to have a low cruise speed and a range of 3000 miles or so. My guess is over the life of the vessel it might work but from a professional perspective I don’t know.

  • @QAT4969
    @QAT4969 2 года назад

    from this education video..i'd assume that FDHF lifts the hull when the hull is above the design bulbous bow hull speed..yes..?

  • @andresidler1155
    @andresidler1155 2 года назад

    Perhaps an obvious question, is their 'adjustable bulbous bow' that adjusts longitudinally forward or rearwards as the speed changes? The design does not have to be incredibly streamlined given the drag inefficiencies for the set bulbous nose design that has apparently exponential drag increases + or - 2 knots of the bulbous nose design efficient design speed. I understand the engineering aspects of a hydraulically powered bulbous bow that dynamically alters as the speed alters, but it is not impossible given the advances in aerodynamics in adjustable swept wings, flaps, leading edge slats and falps, blown flaps, boundary layer controls, high speed torpedoes, etc. Its not impossible, so I am interested why this is not an apparent consideration?

  • @Steve211Ucdhihifvshi
    @Steve211Ucdhihifvshi 6 лет назад

    I call bullshit, I put one on my 2012 Hummer. Works well, improves slipstream exponentially, I know for a fact that my hummer is the most efficent hahaha

  • @jamesmerkel9442
    @jamesmerkel9442 4 года назад

    For ships smaller than destroyers A Streched Capital _S_ shape may be the ticket. Instead of equal knife axe wedge or V we strech out an _S_ so 1 side of wedge has cut out for way & then the other side of the _S_ has another cut out scoop for wave to chill out a bit b4 traveling free down the side of ship. The bottom of _S_ gets flatened out& a equilateral triangle shape pnt facing down lowest prt front of V hull only it is angling back under the front of ship. The bal right & left scoop out we lost top side is back underneath the water small scale. How much does the equilateral triangle angle back underneath guess depends on tonage, but I would guess about 39 or 40 degs rake.

  • @junoguten
    @junoguten 3 года назад +1

    So what stops you from having bows of several lengths and changing once the fuel price has increased enough?

  • @jamesmerkel9442
    @jamesmerkel9442 4 года назад

    the mid sized ships not ideal for should get 2 _bulbs_ not 1st to piece the wave but right & left behind the _V_ say shape or axe or wedge or whatever is in vogue(not doing the hand thing not cool enough). 1 bulb just so cute must b finest but midsized ship same a destroyer vs cruiser V,wedge or axe & the a right & a left bulb bc stability in smaller ship is as much a factor as potential % drag & they tend to nose in more rather than just smooth line float, & 2 bulbs will cut that back a bit. Wider on bottom of wedge & sharper top side then back to req boring hull shape.

  • @Daytona_Mac
    @Daytona_Mac 6 лет назад +1

    Good information! Add to your list of ridiculous bulbous bows the so-called "ship" built by Ken Ham to represent a Biblical Noah's ark. Noah's ark had no propulsion!

  • @mozartjpn137
    @mozartjpn137 4 года назад

    Bulbous make the waterplane-area smaller. The bigger bulbous the smaller waterplane-area. What if the ship had a huge bulbous? I think it reduces the pitch motion.

  • @bobpourri9647
    @bobpourri9647 Год назад

    Hmmmm....Can we make a computer-trimmed dynamic bulb? Changes distance between bow & bulb based on speed etc.?

  • @Nerd3927
    @Nerd3927 6 лет назад +1

    sorry that it took some thumbnail click bait to get me to notice you. What a huge collection of videos, wow! I will see them all in the coming weeks. Love this stuff.

  • @MrRawnerves
    @MrRawnerves 4 года назад

    The Wider yachts have a bulbous bow and they are small vessels in comparison to your examples, From 135 to 165 ft.

  • @davidrobertson6346
    @davidrobertson6346 3 года назад

    hey Grest video, i see that a lot of cruise ships are now putting in inverted bows and vertical bows with no bulb or a tiny bulb. can you tell me why? i know the bulb is to reduce the friction of bow so i don't understand why cruise ships are getting rid of them. is it because the inverted bow has a longer waveline resulting in a higher max efficency hull speed? or is it because the new bows reduce pitching? They say the new bows are more efficent but i don't understand how. could you help me out? Thanks

  • @ccronn
    @ccronn 6 лет назад +2

    I learned something today! Question, have they ever made a ship with an "extendable bulb"?

  • @Cheetorblz
    @Cheetorblz 3 года назад

    I would think with technology there should be ways to automate bulbous bows to retract or change shape, maybe by rotating in conjunction with retracting. to be more efficient in varying conditions. Is this being studied?

  • @aaronkuntze7494
    @aaronkuntze7494 3 года назад

    MATHEMATICS!!!
    I put that shit on everything...

  • @dougtarbet6193
    @dougtarbet6193 4 года назад

    this bulbous bow on a 75 foot yacht may not be effective.
    cdn.yatco.com/images/vessels2/253/253047/large_2354073.jpg?rev=1t

  • @CodyRushDriving
    @CodyRushDriving 3 года назад

    Someone should figure out an adjustable bulbous bow that alters based on speed and sea conditions.

  • @russg1801
    @russg1801 6 лет назад +1

    So, these are best suited for cargo ships engineered for a specific load, speed, and power setting. On a warship that has to adjust speed depending on the strategic and tactical situation, not so much.

  • @smeggy7979
    @smeggy7979 5 лет назад +1

    Any opinion on the bulbous bow used on some of the Nordhaven yachts?

  • @teddytwoguns2846
    @teddytwoguns2846 5 лет назад +1

    Never trust anybody that wears a bolo

  • @mylifeisdope916
    @mylifeisdope916 3 года назад

    bulbs arent only for fuel savings. a lot of guys want a little more floatation up front or a crumple zone for hittin rocks. also an extra water tank or fuel tank are options.

  • @bayuputrapratama2448
    @bayuputrapratama2448 6 лет назад +1

    thanks for explaination mr.nich i am student in marine engineering and i'm trying to understand for this problem

  • @gordslater
    @gordslater Год назад

    A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous.
    Got me?

  • @onetruekeeper418
    @onetruekeeper418 6 лет назад +1

    Those bulbous bows remind me of battering rams on those ancient Greek and Roman warships.

  • @littlerhino2006
    @littlerhino2006 6 лет назад +2

    Upvoted for the use of doobelleedupe.

  • @BlackAnvil47
    @BlackAnvil47 3 года назад

    Explorer Yachts should do excellent with a bulbous bows.

  • @danr5105
    @danr5105 6 лет назад

    Hmm, Friends don't let friends go bulbous if not well indicated.

  • @mikecheeseman97
    @mikecheeseman97 6 лет назад +1

    Z wave there's a mathematical formula that dictates when and when not to design a ship with it.

  • @myeflatley1150
    @myeflatley1150 5 лет назад +1

    Small boats in sea lanes are very common in some parts of the world such as southeast Asia. If a small boat happens in the path of the ship, the bulbous bow lifts the boat up and throws it to one side, saving the boat and its captain. Without the bulb a small boat is more likely to be crushed. A bulbous bow is worth it for this reason alone.The bulb also works for debris.

    • @kenlee-97
      @kenlee-97 4 года назад

      Good point about debris dispersion, for example semi-submerged containers floating aimlessly.
      Also the small boat captain may not necessarily survive the accident after being flipped out of his boat , ca use he then has to face the prop. next on the stern of the ship....

    • @myeflatley1150
      @myeflatley1150 4 года назад

      @@kenlee-97 Going thru Singapore I saw an old lady oaring a sampan, successfully cross the path of a container ship. It was something to see.

    • @myeflatley1150
      @myeflatley1150 4 года назад

      @@kenlee-97 I know how to build REAL sailing boats.

  • @christopherian3691
    @christopherian3691 6 лет назад

    what a waste of time, a frustrated actor ranting about nonsense, my ultimate you tube time waste.

  • @shirleymae30
    @shirleymae30 5 лет назад

    I wish he had mentioned how a smaller, narrower, sharper, wave piercing type of bow addition may come into play, if they could work instead of the larger type bulbous bows, or if that could be an option for smaller, but somewhat faster vessels. Such as commercial fishing vessels like lobster boats.

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  5 лет назад +1

      You want my other video where I compare different bow types. That includes wave piercing bows: ruclips.net/video/5eepu_owFHI/видео.html

  • @seankearney6632
    @seankearney6632 3 года назад

    I always understood that the wave from the bulb was asynchronous to the ship's hull wave thus each one cancelling the other. Mmmmmm. I guess I understood wrong.

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  3 года назад

      You are correct, that is the basic idea behind a bulbous bow. But they don't achieve that canceling effect at every speed. And they are not a perfect asynchronous wave. Due to that, I tend to think of bulbous bows as specialist devices, only useful to specific operating profiles.

  • @dougtarbet6193
    @dougtarbet6193 4 года назад

    If have often wondered if a bulb is effective on small displacement yachts. It sounds like it was more of a marketing gimmick than an actual fuel saving benefit from reducing bow wave. Also bulbous bows prevent a vessel from being ice classed don’t they?

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  4 года назад +1

      I don't remember anything in ABS rules for ice class that specifically excludes a bulbous bow (but I also don't memorize class society rules). However, ice class rules size the bow plating based on the angle between the hull plate and the ice. The more your bow looks like a knife edge, the less plate you need. A bulbous bow would generate so much pressure for ice breaking that it would require extremely heavy plate. So I suspect this is more an issue of economics for ice class, rather than anything preventing it in the rules.

  • @drewrowl
    @drewrowl 2 года назад

    They were a good way to change old ships into more energy efficient.

  • @raymondleggs5508
    @raymondleggs5508 6 лет назад

    I'm not a marine engineer, I can't even count very well but I can tell that some of those bulbous bows wouldn't work. And ships designed without them probably won't save much fuel since they wouldn't design them right anyway because big companies are cheap. They want to spend as little
    money as possible and have big money results... Ahem... Apple....

  • @adzythepwcblokeinaustralia5467
    @adzythepwcblokeinaustralia5467 5 лет назад +1

    Tell that to the Crabbers boat “Time Bandit “

  • @ComputerLearning0
    @ComputerLearning0 6 лет назад +1

    Always wondered what that nose-like protrusion on large ships was for.

  • @danielbutton9121
    @danielbutton9121 6 лет назад +1

    Great video. I'd love to see one on x bows next! Thanks

  • @aggabus
    @aggabus 2 года назад

    Bulbus bow brings bubbles to bare boring Beach bound boat s

  • @Hugh1966
    @Hugh1966 Год назад

    This dude knows more than marine engineers 🙄

  • @deafmusician2
    @deafmusician2 6 лет назад +1

    I reserve full monetary rights to the following idea.
    With today's tech, a movable bulb (think SR71 Inlet cone )should be developed for retrofit and is computer controlled, also loaded with specific-sea wave profiles loaded to be used in conjunction with current conditions for movement calculations

    • @littlerhino2006
      @littlerhino2006 6 лет назад

      XtremeBudgetMusician I imagine with how random sea waves are and how much shear power it would take to move hunk of steel submerged and flowing through a relatively dense fluid, the ratio of energy expended to energy preserved would not be favorable.

    • @silaskuemmerle2505
      @silaskuemmerle2505 6 лет назад +2

      Ryan Nelson I would imagine that the forces involved would be similar to the use of control surfaces of aircraft at very high mach values.

  • @steliospassas8747
    @steliospassas8747 6 лет назад +1

    very nice. would you comment on bow angle? I have seen modern fast coast guard vessels with vertical bows.

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  6 лет назад +1

      The bow rake (vertical angle of the stem) is more concerned with seakeeping capability. I will release a video next month that discusses this in more detail. But the short version for now:
      The original forward raked bow mostly evolved from tradition. Ships always had pointy bows, period. But with modern design techniques like CFD, we are able to look at the flow patterns of the bow in more detail and explore alternatives. Those vertical bows and reverse raked bows are designed around new flow patterns that benefit the ship.
      Vertical bows typically try to maximize the waterline length. That allows you to stretch out the bow and make a sharper bow angle. Reverse raked bows usually happen for seakeeping reasons. Reversing the bow often reduces the violent pitch motions that many complain about.

    • @joshlower1
      @joshlower1 3 года назад

      The more raked a bow is the less efficient the bow will be due to increased surface area of material in the water.

  • @FooFahFoeFum
    @FooFahFoeFum 5 лет назад

    If someone gave you 100 thousand dollars to design a 200 foot motor yacht (jets vs propellers) that can travel at 60 knots; - what software would you use to design the ships aluminum hull. What software would you use to check performance at different speeds and at different wave heights. IMO i believe Computer/softwares fluid dynamics is less expensive and provides a very quick turnaround ( ie ... a different design each day for 45 days until its perfected) of data before actually building a 10 foot scale model and test it in a water tank.

  • @colintraveller
    @colintraveller 6 лет назад

    Looked like you were speaking from a tele prompter and not from the heart and you never said what are you're credentials .. are , Are you self employed or do you work for a known name ? , What ships currently in service did you design ?? .
    Also why do the designers of Superyachts continually ignore the risks of having EASY accessible sterns especially when the risks of Piracy at sea is even more greater nowadays . A well trained armed team can easy take control of a yacht in under 6 mins .

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  6 лет назад

      This video was actually before I had a teleprompter. Like all RUclipsrs, I have a constant wishlist for better gear. You can see my credentials here: www.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-barczak-efficient/
      I wouldn't agree that superyachts have easily accessible sterns. Many have fold-down fantails which are a solid wall when retracted. Do you have a specific yacht in mind?
      To my knowledge, the major piracy is concentrated into specific regions.
      www.icc-ccs.org/index.php/piracy-reporting-centre/live-piracy-map/piracy-map-2017
      These pirates often have boarding ladders capable of scaling large commercial freighters. I would argue that a high stern does not significantly reduce the risk of piracy. Any anti-piracy experts want to weigh in?

    • @colintraveller
      @colintraveller 6 лет назад

      I don't even consider Linkdin as a valid source for credentials ... , I would have expected you to have posted a link to you're current company website at least . and named ships that you have designed and are currently in service ...that can be found on Shipspotting.com . Your linkdin doesn't even list any vessels that you/company have designed ..

  • @alaskanalain
    @alaskanalain 7 лет назад +1

    Can a bulbous bow be tuned on a small ship to affect the stern wave in a positive way?

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  7 лет назад +5

      Not really.
      Any waves that the ship generates get dispersed away from the ship. This is what we call the Kelvin Wake (www.wikiwaves.org/Ship_Kelvin_Wake). So by the time the wave from the bulbous bow reaches the stern of the ship, it has already dispersed too much to be effective. However, I have seen some limited studies into creating bulbous sterns. (www.sname.org/pubs/viewtechnicalpaper?DocumentKey=a50b80a4-463e-426f-bfb8-fe9a9432951d) Same idea as a bulbous bow, but with the flow direction reversed. The problem with bulbous sterns is that any bulb also reduces the efficiency of the propeller, which still hurts you.
      The other part of your question: application to small ships. In theory, a bulbous bow might work for the stern on a very small ship. Unfortunately, with a ship that small, your Froude numbers (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Froude_number) get high enough that bulbs of any type are no longer recommended. With a small ship, your best bet is to make the hull as skinny and streamlined as possible.
      All that being said, you are definitely thinking along the right track. Bulbous bows are not the only trick we do to improve efficiency. There are other things like guide vanes for the propeller, designing for pressure recovery on the stern, optimized propeller inlets. I have even seen a stern lifting foil on some yachts. I think there are still plenty of opportunities for creative innovations.

  • @connorpusey5912
    @connorpusey5912 5 лет назад

    3:03 the ship on the left is the ocean liner Queen Mary 2. What I don’t understand is why it needs such a prominent one, while the SS United States was flat as a board below the waterline, but was the fastest ocean liner _ever_ built. Obviously there must be something more efficient in a flat, sharp bow.

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  5 лет назад

      Not necessarily. With ships at this scale, we don't just build the hull to achieve the fastest speed possible. The speed is a target selected at the beginning of the design stage. The SS United States may have just been designed to go faster. If you want to compare the two, you need to examine the resistance curve for the two vessels. That shows power required at each speed. The lower curve is the more efficient vessel.

    • @connorpusey5912
      @connorpusey5912 5 лет назад

      It would just make more sense for the designer of the United States to give it a bulbous bow then, to achieve his goal of fastest ever liner. Wonder why he didn’t.

  • @ak2340
    @ak2340 5 лет назад

    what about ships like arleigh burke. It has a weird bulbous bow or is it just a sonar cover?

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  5 лет назад

      The first priority is a sonar cover. But as the design evolves, the shape of that sonar cover can also provide some wave cancelation. I can't say if the Arleigh Burke class specifically meant their sonar cover to also provide wave cancelation. I would need to analyze their hull form for any definitive conclusion.

  • @alexsch2514
    @alexsch2514 4 года назад

    Could one put adjustable fins in front of a ship to cancel out waves at different speeds?

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  4 года назад +1

      Theoretically, yes. Fins would work. But adjustable fins is a different story. To cancel the waves would require some property to adjust the length of the cancelling wave. I don't know of any fins theories that could achieve this. (But I also admit that I can't keep up with every paper on ship science.)

  • @johnking5691
    @johnking5691 3 года назад

    My mother in law has a bulbous bow.

  • @wokejcickisapinko5162
    @wokejcickisapinko5162 3 года назад

    I like men with Bulbous Bows!

  • @milize1528
    @milize1528 3 года назад

    how to calculate the sonar dome ?

  • @villiamkarl-gustavlundberg5422

    Thanks for the video. I've always found large freight carriers interesting.
    High Ship Coefficient being one of their main characteristics.

  • @jackduffy1817
    @jackduffy1817 6 лет назад

    I was beginning to think that there was not any ships Architect's left, Why, In the Queen Charlotte islands British Columbia, Canada, Now called, Hyda Gwy, I do not have the spelling. But their dugout war canoes were made with a bulbous bow, And have been for a long time, How long, I do not know, Nor did any one else.

  • @franskarmelk5166
    @franskarmelk5166 4 года назад

    For many years sailing on a chemical tanker with a bulb bow, after 10 years this one was taken off the bow, I experienced a lot of problems during bad weather, specially in the Bay of Biscay, bow came out of the wave followed by the bulb, by plunging back into the waves first the bulb smashed into the waves and the ships bow, we lost all the speed

  • @FITA-369
    @FITA-369 2 года назад

    I hate too

  • @jamese9283
    @jamese9283 6 лет назад

    So why don't they create an active bulb that changes shape and position for different conditions?

    • @DatawaveMarineSolutions
      @DatawaveMarineSolutions  6 лет назад

      Some designers are working towards that effect. But instead of a shape changing bow, they are trying to adjust the shape so the bulb still works at a range of speeds. Sacrifice performance boost at one speed to improve overall performance across a range of speeds.

    • @jamese9283
      @jamese9283 6 лет назад

      Seems like it would be relatively easy to find an "overall performance" shape as you say, but then put the bulb on a ram that adjusts its projection from the bow as needed. I would think fuel savings would pay for development costs.

  • @Godofthemoon1
    @Godofthemoon1 2 года назад

    I never thought they would increase fuel economy I thought they were more for stability guess I was wrong. Thanks this changes everything I was interested in doing a refit of a older commercial ship and turn it into a yacht

  • @BobGnarley.
    @BobGnarley. 4 года назад

    Very informative! I was wonding why you cant just slap one on say - your Yacht, if it really saves fuel. In hindsight it seems obvious.

  • @markkravchenko3409
    @markkravchenko3409 4 года назад

    You should look into getting an on camera teleprompter, that way you can look perfectly into the lenses when you read notes. There are lots available on b&h.

  • @MrRich2u
    @MrRich2u 7 лет назад

    So what if your driving a 75 to 90 foot trawler yacht at 7 to 8 knots. They are a long haul vessel with a more constant speed. Would a bulbous bow be worth while in this application? You see a lot of yachts with them now.

  • @zebadiahfranklin4058
    @zebadiahfranklin4058 6 лет назад

    So, is there not a bulbous bow that adjusts with the speed of the ship to maximize fuel efficiency? If not, that's stupid

  • @davideustache4119
    @davideustache4119 5 лет назад

    Majority rules...

  • @akoponen
    @akoponen 4 года назад

    A speed controlled extendable bulbous bow could adjust its length and optimize its length for a range of speeds.

  • @fredygump5578
    @fredygump5578 6 лет назад +1

    He sayd "doodly-do" :)

  • @joeykneller2030
    @joeykneller2030 6 лет назад

    " I hate bulbous bows " .... just never ever marry one then brother. Issue Fixed ;-) ... movin` on

  • @wbwarren57
    @wbwarren57 6 лет назад

    Is there such a thing as a telescoping bulbous bow? Perhaps if the length of the bulb could be changed with speed and see State they might be more efficient more often.

  • @judclark7376
    @judclark7376 3 года назад

    3:48 I detect an Ave fan

  • @walkertongdee
    @walkertongdee 5 лет назад

    OMG what an emotional wreck he is.

  • @ShortArmOfGod
    @ShortArmOfGod 3 года назад

    Bet you own a fedora.

  • @iamgroot7147
    @iamgroot7147 4 года назад

    now onto some low energy aplications: cargo sailing.
    would it be possible to tune the bulbous bow against the pentatonics of hull resistance that it stays on: stronger winds ~ higher speed?