I suspect the sound quality is better in the older model. The speaker may/may not be any bigger in the old one, but the more substantial cabinet and forwards facing speaker would certainly help. The first time I heard a (slightly newer, all white) Ferguson portable, I was shocked at the awful sound. I'm still using a Toshiba portable in my workshop where I do a lot of video repairs on RUclips. Having a CRT set which actually shows you what the video signal is doing, is better than an LCD which shows it's own interpretation of the video signal, possibly with noise reduction and other signal processing going on.
One of the sets we rented from MultiBroadcast/Radio Rentals was a TX90 - the push button version - DER (they had only just disappeared under MultiBroadcast in Walsall, though Chesterfield still had a DER shop for years) model number was something like 8940 (though that sounds more like a Baird one), but the Ferguson equivalent was 37140C. The UHF version of the one you have there is 37141A. I used an aerial switch to switch between the aerial (loop or roof) and the computer (had a Spectrum and later a Sinclair PC200) as a rule, as I was concerned about the fragility of the aerial socket. My dad also thought the set had "quick start"/"instant on" - possible, I guess, as there was some transformer noise even when switched off. I take it the telescopic aerial was normal on the multiband version? A loop was fitted atop on the UHF.
Later the non-remote 'cost reduced' ferguson could have the TX85 chassis fitted in that cabinet model 14D1, this was a smaller one-chip design with switchmode power supply replacing the transformer and a recessed rear carry handle. Also available in monitor-style cabinet where the pcb was laid flat, model 14J1 and variants in different colours.
It's nice to see people keeping these old things going. I've got an old CRT myself which I need to fix and clean up, it's a 14 inch Sanyo from around 1983. The only problems it seems to have is a slightly slanted picture and the volume knob crackles when turning it.
Always impressed by the Older Nordmende Chassis/Toshiba Tube version . I remember when I went past VisionHire in Llandudno, there used to be on of those older MovieStar sets in the window, and I was always impressed with the Picture Quality , for the time it was Very Good.
I remember these sets well, as you say, the aerial socket was a common fault. They were a great seller second hand, as they looked modern & had a good picture, I used one with a damaged cabinet for years in the workshop, but lack of scart sealed it's fate!
@@IrishvintageTVRadio What was scart used for? I've seen the scart sockets in other videos but never found out what was plugged into them. Were they for connecting a VCR, or a pay TV system?
Saw a boxed example on eBay recently, although a standard push-button affair, came sporting a (home-computer-friendly) DIN RGB input. A cover plate instead proudly adorning the top-right corner with 'TX with RGB' emblazoned across it. Very nice! :)
@@IrishvintageTVRadio I have the later version with RGB /SCART version in my collection that older Ferguson Movistar TV is actually made by Nordemende I remember Radio Rentals renting these out before TX 9 portables came out
I'm rather fortunate that I have accumulated a collection of large, higher Wattage soldering irons that are useful for soldering items like that socket to the tuner module can, or soldering ground braid to a steel radio chassis. Mine are all vintage ones, but you can find similar irons used for stained glass work if you can't find an old style one.
Judging tv pictures through youtube video processing and only on a 15" laptop is a bit difficult. The tx 90 is a cute set and it reminds me of an old b&w Rambler 12 inch, it was a bronze colour. It had a vertical board and an odd philips tube that was incompatable with ordinary ones. Swines lol. The Ferguson has a nice chassis design, i like that for some reason. Both sets are nice, the pictures look the same apart from the tx90 being over saturated a bit. Your workshop is smashing, the bits that clutter the side table is normal for a working place. Don't worry about it, if a workshop is too pretty you have too much time on your hands ha ha :-D John would love your workshop, i'm sure he would have.
@@IrishvintageTVRadio thanks man... I miss the old telly's. Spent years learning the job then along came the modern crap lol. Still looking out for some old sets 👍
Xmas 2022. Great entertainment Onjo Only fault on Thorn TX90 ( best of two ) was aerial socket issues I'm away from TV repairs 25 years now Oh memories 😜 .
Both tvs showing good CRT still as second sets didnt get as much use in the day I suppose , would the nordmende version predate the TX9 version which came before the TX90 on the left ? .
I remember these sets when they were new, and my workshop was like yours, did you make the diode probe to help fault find on the Thorns televisions, the circuit was included in nearly every service manual. would like to see a video of you making one and showing how to use it.
Very interesting to see how the technology developed. Thanks regards Chris
Thank Chris.
Yet another great video JJ. Very entertaining.
I suspect the sound quality is better in the older model. The speaker may/may not be any bigger in the old one, but the more substantial cabinet and forwards facing speaker would certainly help. The first time I heard a (slightly newer, all white) Ferguson portable, I was shocked at the awful sound.
I'm still using a Toshiba portable in my workshop where I do a lot of video repairs on RUclips. Having a CRT set which actually shows you what the video signal is doing, is better than an LCD which shows it's own interpretation of the video signal, possibly with noise reduction and other signal processing going on.
One of the sets we rented from MultiBroadcast/Radio Rentals was a TX90 - the push button version - DER (they had only just disappeared under MultiBroadcast in Walsall, though Chesterfield still had a DER shop for years) model number was something like 8940 (though that sounds more like a Baird one), but the Ferguson equivalent was 37140C. The UHF version of the one you have there is 37141A. I used an aerial switch to switch between the aerial (loop or roof) and the computer (had a Spectrum and later a Sinclair PC200) as a rule, as I was concerned about the fragility of the aerial socket. My dad also thought the set had "quick start"/"instant on" - possible, I guess, as there was some transformer noise even when switched off. I take it the telescopic aerial was normal on the multiband version? A loop was fitted atop on the UHF.
I've only seen loops on UHF only sets.
Later the non-remote 'cost reduced' ferguson could have the TX85 chassis fitted in that cabinet model 14D1, this was a smaller one-chip design with switchmode power supply replacing the transformer and a recessed rear carry handle. Also available in monitor-style cabinet where the pcb was laid flat, model 14J1 and variants in different colours.
Hi Kev, I think that's the one I had.
It's nice to see people keeping these old things going. I've got an old CRT myself which I need to fix and clean up, it's a 14 inch Sanyo from around 1983. The only problems it seems to have is a slightly slanted picture and the volume knob crackles when turning it.
Some switch cleaner on the volume control and straighten the scan coils. I like the little Sanyos.
Top!🙌
👍
Always impressed by the Older Nordmende Chassis/Toshiba Tube version . I remember when I went past VisionHire in Llandudno, there used to be on of those older MovieStar sets in the window, and I was always impressed with the Picture Quality , for the time it was Very Good.
Agreed, and the Toshiba black strip type gives a great account of its self.
I remember these sets well, as you say, the aerial socket was a common fault.
They were a great seller second hand, as they looked modern & had a good picture, I used one with a damaged cabinet for years in the workshop, but lack of scart sealed it's fate!
Wasn't scart a pain though.
@@IrishvintageTVRadio What was scart used for? I've seen the scart sockets in other videos but never found out what was plugged into them. Were they for connecting a VCR, or a pay TV system?
Saw a boxed example on eBay recently, although a standard push-button affair, came sporting a (home-computer-friendly) DIN RGB input. A cover plate instead proudly adorning the top-right corner with 'TX with RGB' emblazoned across it. Very nice! :)
That sounds cool alright.
@@IrishvintageTVRadio I have the later version with RGB /SCART version in my collection that older Ferguson Movistar TV is actually made by Nordemende I remember Radio Rentals renting these out before TX 9 portables came out
Great video
Like it the relighable one with the mains transformer
I'm rather fortunate that I have accumulated a collection of large, higher Wattage soldering irons that are useful for soldering items like that socket to the tuner module can, or soldering ground braid to a steel radio chassis. Mine are all vintage ones, but you can find similar irons used for stained glass work if you can't find an old style one.
The later one looks neater but I like a forward-facing speaker which is something very rare on modern TVs
I agree, always preferred a straight facing speaker.
I wouldn't say no to a Ferguson MC01 though
Judging tv pictures through youtube video processing and only on a 15" laptop is a bit difficult.
The tx 90 is a cute set and it reminds me of an old b&w Rambler 12 inch, it was a bronze colour.
It had a vertical board and an odd philips tube that was incompatable with ordinary ones.
Swines lol.
The Ferguson has a nice chassis design, i like that for some reason.
Both sets are nice, the pictures look the same apart from the tx90 being over saturated a bit.
Your workshop is smashing, the bits that clutter the side table is normal for a working place.
Don't worry about it, if a workshop is too pretty you have too much time on your hands ha ha :-D
John would love your workshop, i'm sure he would have.
Aye John loves getting up here, he's overdue a visit. I think the old Normende might just have the edge over the TX.
the Movistar fur looks but I can't see any difference in the pictures good video
They're fairly close, I think the Normende has the edge slightly.
First Colour tv I had of my own looked a bit like these sets
Sound Stephen, they all had that kind of look.
The one I had looked more like the one on the right..
Takes me down memory lane did you have 9000,9600s over there?
Yep along with everyone's favourite the 3500.
What is the actual model number of the old Ferguson movie star?
3787
Love ur channel BTW mate. So many hours put into it
Where do you find all the sets you work on? I'm after some old Ferguson's tx9 or Phillip's k30's but dont seem to be able to find em
Most of them I've had for years, I know a chap that does house clearances that comes across the odd one still and just keeping an eye on skips etc.
@@IrishvintageTVRadio thanks man... I miss the old telly's. Spent years learning the job then along came the modern crap lol. Still looking out for some old sets 👍
The movie star is better built, good quality
Thank you for this-really interesting too!!
Xmas 2022.
Great entertainment Onjo
Only fault on Thorn TX90 ( best of two )
was aerial socket issues
I'm away from TV repairs 25 years now
Oh memories 😜 .
Both tvs showing good CRT still as second sets didnt get as much use in the day I suppose , would the nordmende version predate the TX9 version which came before the TX90 on the left ? .
I think the Normende and the TX9 where about at the same time.
I remember these sets when they were new, and my workshop was like yours, did you make the diode probe to help fault find on the Thorns televisions, the circuit was included in nearly every service manual. would like to see a video of you making one and showing how to use it.
I'd say the right hand moviestar. Looks a bit crisper and the left hand one looks a bit more murky on the reds
Love your strong Irish accent
Hey, I have a TX100 from 85 and the overscan is ridiculous. You would t know how to access the service menu would you?
It doesn't do it on a service menu on these sets.. sounds like a line output fault.
Does it ever get on your nerves when American you tubers say 'soddering' instead of 'soldering?. It does for me lol