How many Pawns does it take to take down Amazon?

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  • Опубликовано: 30 янв 2022
  • Amazon vs Pawns! A series of epic games. Most powerful chess piece against a number of pawns. Who will prevail?
    An amazon (also known as a queen+knight compound) is a fairy chess piece (a piece not available in conventional chess) that can move like a queen or a knight (or, equivalently, like a rook, bishop, or knight). It may thus be considered the sum of all orthodox chess pieces (not including pawns, nor the royal powers of a king). It cannot jump over other pieces when moving as a queen, but may do so when moving as a knight.
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  • @Juuuuuuuj
    @Juuuuuuuj 2 года назад +1328

    "It can force checkmate without the help of any other piece." Is probably the line that comes closest to being the most menacing thing I've heard in chess.

    • @just888why
      @just888why Год назад +8

      What is the first

    • @evanseifert8858
      @evanseifert8858 Год назад +37

      Wouldn't the line that comes closest to being the most menacing, itself be the most menacing? Otherwise it's not the closest, right? But in that case why not simply call it the most menacing?

    • @memehivefive9852
      @memehivefive9852 Год назад +40

      @@evanseifert8858 You're overthinking it, in the wrong way. It's closest to THE most menacing, if it is closest to the most menacing, it is the 2nd most menacing.

    • @TrustingTroller
      @TrustingTroller Год назад +4

      @@evanseifert8858 Type 5 paradox

    • @taekwon4980
      @taekwon4980 Год назад +1

      except it is 2 pieces

  • @ZarHakkar
    @ZarHakkar 2 года назад +1408

    Damn, and here I was thinking the video would be about how to take down a mulit-billion dollar company with only chess pieces.

    • @the_neto06
      @the_neto06 2 года назад +21

      same man

    • @potassium8759
      @potassium8759 2 года назад +24

      Lol, that was a good one ngl

    • @juan9715
      @juan9715 2 года назад +38

      Me too I was expecting some meme in the style of the Tennison variation of the ICBM gambit lol.

    • @foxross
      @foxross 2 года назад +6

      I thought that too and then it says ‘let’s end on a light note’ followed by Amazon winning which was a bit odd.

    • @RainingArtillery
      @RainingArtillery 2 года назад +4

      You would need a lot of chess pieces.

  • @MultiKB13
    @MultiKB13 2 года назад +3073

    If EA made a chess game, they'd probably put a paywall for the Amazon

    • @horowitz8680
      @horowitz8680 2 года назад +99

      *sshhh, you're giving them ideas*

    • @cubicinfinity2
      @cubicinfinity2 2 года назад +43

      Jokes aside, if they had a chess game they would at least make you pay for an Amazon variant DLC.

    • @SeriousBusinessman.
      @SeriousBusinessman. 2 года назад +36

      @@cubicinfinity2 thats exactly what the comment said

    • @cubicinfinity2
      @cubicinfinity2 2 года назад +15

      ​@@SeriousBusinessman. If they invented chess, then it would probably not be a variant; it'd be pay to win.

    • @SeriousBusinessman.
      @SeriousBusinessman. 2 года назад +1

      @@cubicinfinity2 oh ok, that makes sense. :)

  • @cubicinfinity2
    @cubicinfinity2 2 года назад +3028

    I never realized a queen that can make knight moves would be THAT OP.

    • @pllasma
      @pllasma 2 года назад +193

      or a knight that can make queen moves.. well.. Amazon

    • @bot24032
      @bot24032 2 года назад +96

      i never did until i realised it can move into any square in radius of 2 king moves of it

    • @kellamyoshikage286
      @kellamyoshikage286 2 года назад +87

      Funnily enough, vanilla queen also beats 13 pawns. Not easily, it's hard-fought and Stockfish initially thinks it's a draw until you play out a few moves and all of Stockfish's recommendations gradually bleed an edge to the queen, but it can still manage.
      I love the Amazon in theory, but it being such a valuable piece and so far beyond everything else makes it kind of annoying to use sometimes. I only really get to use the amazon in unbalanced variants, and there you really can't trade the amazon; it'll always be a losing trade.

    • @Marco..1
      @Marco..1 2 года назад +19

      It is not that op like it looks here. The greatest strength of it is that it can check with the knight move. That makes it easier to win pawns with a check. In a normal earlygame or midgame that wont be possible. So the additional knight move wont be of that much value. Its a great attacking piece, but i dont know if the knight move would be that valuable in a regular game.

    • @cuboembaralhado8294
      @cuboembaralhado8294 2 года назад +3

      Its basically a rook+bishop+knight

  • @XfireSSBU
    @XfireSSBU 2 года назад +3933

    Okay, but what about a rook that could make bishop moves 🤔

  • @arenmee540
    @arenmee540 2 года назад +201

    Amazon is overpowered. It controls a 5x5 square with a 2.5 tile radius around the piece, that's already 39% of the board.

    • @eumorpha876
      @eumorpha876 2 года назад +13

      on a typical 8x8 board yes. if you make the board bigger it's still powerful but not as overpowered

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 2 года назад +14

      A bit less if it's in a corner (37%), but a LOT more if it's in a central location (52%+). :-B

    • @grafd7467
      @grafd7467 2 года назад

      Blizz nerf it please!

    • @kyarumomochi5146
      @kyarumomochi5146 2 года назад +6

      @@eumorpha876 Thats the stupidest way to balance it

    • @usernametaken017
      @usernametaken017 Год назад

      @@kyarumomochi5146 More pieces = bigger boards
      not the best way to balance it but it'd be a thing regardless

  • @GeraldM_inNC
    @GeraldM_inNC 2 года назад +247

    Never heard of an amazon before. That little upgrade to a queen's abilities turns her from the most powerful piece on the board to something unstoppable.

    • @imaplaygames633
      @imaplaygames633 Год назад +25

      It turns the Queen from the most powerful piece on the board to... the most powerful piece on the board but it's better.

    • @maseywat
      @maseywat Год назад +6

      a queen is worth 9 points the Amazon should be at least 27

    • @navoJ
      @navoJ Год назад +1

      Its combination of knight and queen

    • @gabrielbarros493
      @gabrielbarros493 Год назад

      @@maseywat not that much
      3 queens are still stronger than an amazon

    • @cenkkinqzzzz3002
      @cenkkinqzzzz3002 Год назад

      @@gabrielbarros493not really

  • @danibarack552
    @danibarack552 2 года назад +1895

    pretty cool concept, but I don't know if stockfish knows how to use the piece, it was built and trained for normal chess

    • @GeorgeDCowley
      @GeorgeDCowley 2 года назад +334

      It said fairy Stockfish, so I'm sure it's still good with them.

    • @itachi7243456
      @itachi7243456 2 года назад +117

      Depends if the stockfish version is using traditional AI or neural networks. If the former updating the heuristics is probably not so different. If the latter, I'd expect the training data to have this piece.

    • @ashtar3876
      @ashtar3876 2 года назад +26

      @@GeorgeDCowley 5:12 why did it sacrifice an amazon then?

    • @tonito5588
      @tonito5588 2 года назад +174

      @@ashtar3876 To prolong the game by one move since white had mate in the back rank no matter what black did.

    • @RinInABin
      @RinInABin 2 года назад +22

      Fairy stockfish is good with a lot of chess variants, it even plays shogi really well

  • @Inkety
    @Inkety 2 года назад +420

    Problem with pawns is that with enough of them you can make unstoppable barriers that you need to use your own pawns to combat otherwise you lose material or you simply can't break through. The only way you can beat pawns with the amazon, the queen, or anything, really, is to get behind the pawns. That's it. No other way.

    • @stargate525
      @stargate525 2 года назад +67

      Which makes sense as that's how you traditionally defeated the pikemen they represent.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 2 года назад +10

      @@stargate525 true!!

    • @gobokoboobo4620
      @gobokoboobo4620 2 года назад +9

      Yeah, it become impossible once there are two rows of pawns.

    • @albingrahn5576
      @albingrahn5576 Год назад +6

      @@stargate525 either that or with a barrage of arrows raining from above

    • @timothymclean
      @timothymclean Год назад +2

      @@azlanadil3646 Decent guns beat anything that's using muscle-powered weapons.

  • @twisted760
    @twisted760 2 года назад +674

    That last game seemed a bit odd. Pawn could've taken whites Amazon piece on several turns. maybe it wouldn't have changed the overall out come of the game but just a bit odd seeing the moves played

    • @RSFArocks
      @RSFArocks 2 года назад +250

      You mean at the end? White had forced mate no matter what at that point. Taking the piece would've resulted in black getting mated faster, which stockfish considers undesirable. It would rather sacrifice a piece to get mated one turn later than capture a piece and get mated faster.

    • @slythespacecat
      @slythespacecat 2 года назад +81

      @@RSFArocks yep, engines play to delay mate as long as possible

    • @floyo
      @floyo 2 года назад +38

      Why didn't black keep a wall of three pawns that slowly moves forward? It's boring but an easy win, right?

    • @napnappabicon3945
      @napnappabicon3945 2 года назад +1

      Watch at THE OLD PATH channel Please

    • @emissarygw2264
      @emissarygw2264 2 года назад +21

      @@floyo I'm assuming the jumping ability of Amazon makes that not actually a "wall" anymore somehow

  • @mms-sc6jc
    @mms-sc6jc 2 года назад +8

    The Amazon piece looks menacing.

  • @biscuit4638
    @biscuit4638 Год назад +2

    imagine being in a professional chess game and your opponent promotes a pawn and asks for an amazon

  • @giovannigino3675
    @giovannigino3675 2 года назад +7

    Amazon is so powerful: it can pin, jump, fork...

  • @memeteam2016
    @memeteam2016 2 года назад +8

    these checkmates hurt my head

  • @samgrattan5465
    @samgrattan5465 Год назад +8

    The Amazon is hilariously OP for a chess piece. It essentially controls a 5x5 death box around itself plus its row, column, and diagonals. On an 8x8 board, an Amazon on a center tile controls 33 squares… that’s literally more than half the board, about 52%

  • @tvao9010
    @tvao9010 2 года назад +26

    Having a game like chess but with new pieces with completely different moves is an idea with so much potencial...

    • @tvao9010
      @tvao9010 2 года назад +4

      Maybe even hexagonal or triangular spaces on the boards instead of squares for move variety

    • @umutcolak1876
      @umutcolak1876 Год назад

      Chess 2.

    • @Kallastar.
      @Kallastar. Год назад

      Chess 2

    • @jrbcodes
      @jrbcodes Год назад

      Chess 2

  • @agnozythehearthead9843
    @agnozythehearthead9843 Год назад +16

    Stockfish gets overwhelmed with too much pawns. I actually noticed a mate in the last game, which needed an amazon sacrifice. On move 14 there was Aa6, if takes then takes and a mate on the next move, if any other move then mate is even quicker. I am almost sure there was also mate somewhere in the second last, but i lost it.

    • @jonjon159
      @jonjon159 Год назад +1

      Aa6 would prompt black pawn to e2 check and then pawn takes Amazon on the following turn I think and then if Amazon retakes pawn black can play b5 to fill the gap

    • @cornesalvo9366
      @cornesalvo9366 Год назад

      @@jonjon159 the black pawn cannot move to e2 because the 2nd amazon is there and protecting the Aa6 amazon.

    • @jonjon159
      @jonjon159 Год назад +2

      @@cornesalvo9366 wait, isn’t there an f3 black pawn from move 13? It takes the Amazon on e2 and checks the white king

    • @metalprogrammer9224
      @metalprogrammer9224 Год назад +3

      @@jonjon159 Yes, people thinking they know better than stockfish are being silly

    • @jrbcodes
      @jrbcodes Год назад

      e pawn advances undefended winning the game for black
      ironic how op gets overwhelmed by too much pawns instead

  • @thundermill7109
    @thundermill7109 2 года назад +24

    1:23 with the way you have the pawns set up this is just forced mate. The king is trapped in by his pawns and has no way to counter a back rank after Amazon to h5

  • @ralkadde
    @ralkadde 2 года назад +114

    The Checkmate with Ac5 at 0:34 kills me, as well as Ac4# at 1:10. (A=Amazon)

    • @patstaysuckafreeboss8006
      @patstaysuckafreeboss8006 2 года назад +18

      It legit took me ten seconds to realize that was checkmate. That piece is way too OP

    • @thiagoschernikau4769
      @thiagoschernikau4769 2 года назад +3

      I thought the black pieces resigned, did not even noticed it was mate!

    • @hy7864
      @hy7864 2 года назад +2

      Amazon notation is "AM"
      It's funny notation is "QN"
      Cuz "A" is already used for Alfil funny notation

    • @NerdyGamer-lq9nc
      @NerdyGamer-lq9nc 2 года назад +2

      The Amazon isn’t a real chess piece is it?

    • @ralkadde
      @ralkadde 2 года назад +2

      @@hy7864 Okay. Suppose that "QN" stands for "Queen-kNight", as the Amazon moves like queen and knight. (K again is reserved for the king.)

  • @gabrielccbr1
    @gabrielccbr1 2 года назад +3

    and in today's episode of how to burn down amazon forest in brazil so birds and animals don't live in hell...

  • @colegieseking5136
    @colegieseking5136 2 года назад +72

    A human would probably actually be better at playing 2 amazons vs 24 pawns. Due to the horizon effect computers are notoriously bad at understanding sacrifices with long term positional advantages.

    • @brianhackney2640
      @brianhackney2640 2 года назад +4

      What is the horizon effect?

    • @colegieseking5136
      @colegieseking5136 2 года назад +23

      @@brianhackney2640 the horizon effect refers to the concept that computers will not be able to understand moves that have benefits/detriments that go beyond the depth that they’re playing at. A classic example is in closed locked positions a human will sacrifice a knight to open up one file they can take control of and infiltrate. Computers will usually overlook this idea because the full danger of allowing this won’t manifest until like 20 or 30 moves down the line sometimes. This is how players like Andrew Tang are able to smoke stockfish in hyper bullet (you’ll see him play a knight sacrifice to open up a rook/queen battery all the time).

    • @mannyx2796
      @mannyx2796 2 года назад

      @@colegieseking5136 thats why alphazero is so good

    • @Nasiulciaa
      @Nasiulciaa 2 года назад +3

      ​@@mannyx2796 alpha zero is 300 elo below stockfish at minimum
      engines aren't bad at horizon effect for two reasons:
      a) they use neural network evaluation which isn't blind to the horizon effect
      b) they use quiescence search that searches all captures deeper just to avoid that problem
      given it's fairy stockfish it doesn't use neural networks and so it might have slightly more problems, but engines being bad at "anti-computer chess" locked positions was a thing of 2008, not 2018
      no human would ever beat a top engine at its full strength, hyperbullet or not

    • @colegieseking5136
      @colegieseking5136 2 года назад +4

      @@Nasiulciaa everything you said is correct and I agree with you, but I think you’re slightly misunderstanding what I was saying. I’m not claiming that humans are really better than computers in any way now days. All I was saying is that fairy stockfish using brute force calculation would possibly be less successful with the white pieces here because it would probably never realize that giving up one of the amazons to be able to attack the pawns from the back and get checks on the king would be worth an entire Amazon. As for what I said about Andrew Tang; I was referring to his ability to beat stockfish level 8 on lichess with very fast time controls (not stockfish 14.1).

  • @b10gaming2
    @b10gaming2 2 года назад +36

    Only way I could beat magnus is using 16 amazons

    • @methdxman
      @methdxman 2 года назад +29

      If you had 16 amazons you would statelmate him.

    • @b10gaming2
      @b10gaming2 2 года назад +3

      @@methdxman yeah 😂😂

    • @linminhtoo
      @linminhtoo 2 года назад

      @@methdxman wouldn't it be checkmate on the zero-th move

    • @9181shreyasbhatt
      @9181shreyasbhatt 2 года назад

      he might also have 16 Amazons

    • @b10gaming2
      @b10gaming2 2 года назад

      @@linminhtoo no man it is not possible

  • @tincraftenfreddys804
    @tincraftenfreddys804 Год назад +2

    Missed opportunity to call the amazon "the pope"

  • @pineapplejuice1156
    @pineapplejuice1156 2 года назад +2

    Great video as always :)

  • @teambellavsteamalice
    @teambellavsteamalice 2 года назад +264

    Great video!
    I love the iterations what the amazon can and cannot handle.
    In the last game I'm surprised black didn't find a slow but steady way to advance without any openings.
    Like even moving each of the a pawns, then each of the b pawns etc until all 24 pawns are moved up. If that doesn't work, maybe a bit of a zigzag pattern (a, c, e, g) or getting a reverse V or W shape moving in sets of three: a, b, a, c, b, a, d, c, b, a.
    Is there any way white can sack an Amazon and break through?

    • @julienbourgouint9671
      @julienbourgouint9671 2 года назад +90

      Yes, surprising. Also black play for the draw at the beginning by only moving the king. Some of the pawn sacrifices didn't make sense. I think it's one of the cases where a human could play more logically that stockfish using principled strategy.

    • @teambellavsteamalice
      @teambellavsteamalice 2 года назад +4

      @@julienbourgouint9671
      I did notice black's a and h files are the weak spots. If white can sacrifice one amazon against the middle pawn it can only have one defender. So if the other amazon grabs that one (being on the same diagonal) it has a perfectly safe spot. It treatens the first pawn if not defended by the king but also everything else on the diagonal and a knight move away.
      In same cases the forward pawn on file a or h can also be taken with an opening for the second amazon.
      So probably you need to move the b and g file ahead of a and h. It looks impenetrable but maybe isn't at all!

    • @teambellavsteamalice
      @teambellavsteamalice 2 года назад +17

      @@mastery4667
      The last game you have two amazons vs 3 rows of pawns.

    • @HD-fy2wu
      @HD-fy2wu 2 года назад +7

      @@teambellavsteamalice If I'm not wrong white has been trying to set up such a sacrifice throughout the game. For Example 3:44 white form a battery threatening the a5 pawn, so black didn't allow that by chasing one amazon off the diagonal. At 4:04 white forms another battery threatening a6 whereas black sacrifice 1 pawn to prevent that again. At 4:39 white seems to be preparing for another battery (Aed3 next move) so black sac another pawn to prevent that.
      So I think if you just advance slowly, white will easily manuver and find a sacrifice to break through. In order to prevent that, black got to overextend or sac his pawn

    • @HD-fy2wu
      @HD-fy2wu 2 года назад +3

      @@julienbourgouint9671 I think some pawn sacrifices is made to prevent white's amazon sacrifice

  • @buxeessingh2571
    @buxeessingh2571 2 года назад +46

    You needed to try 12 pawns with the a, b, g, and h pawns doubled. That way, she can't easily enter from the side and the king can make an escape square easily.

  • @yty1941
    @yty1941 Год назад +2

    If TenCent made a chess game, they'll probably have a lottery for the queen skin, aka. the Amazon

  • @eminkilicaslan8945
    @eminkilicaslan8945 Год назад +2

    Stockfish: *promotes to an amazon*
    Stockfish: Well fuk

  • @ballom29
    @ballom29 2 года назад +11

    4:56 feel so sad for black.
    All he could do was to stall until eventually white king would be safe for 1 single turn

    • @Fdragon1337
      @Fdragon1337 2 года назад +3

      Did it to itself. Pretty sure it could just advance the outside columns and be an easy win.

    • @triflomastera4882
      @triflomastera4882 2 года назад +6

      @@Fdragon1337 Did you just say you're better than Stockfish? Lmao stfu.

    • @deept3215
      @deept3215 2 года назад +7

      @@triflomastera4882 For sure it's a very easy draw for black in that game, all they have to do is walk around with the king without moving pawns. A win shouldn't be too difficult, but obviously stockfish can't evaluate well those kind of positions

  • @yoavjacoby8246
    @yoavjacoby8246 2 года назад +21

    There can be many different combinations of the different movements (I also suggest names. Also, when I say king what I mean is that the piece can move to all squares adjacent to it) -
    king-knight *baron* (really good in closed positions)
    rook-knight *bison*
    rook-knight-king *elephant* (this is stronger than a queen probably)
    bishop-knight *templar*
    king-bishop *pope*
    king-bishop-knight *kangaroo* (probably as strong as a queen)
    rook-bishop-knight *amazon* (the most powerful piece ever made)
    Tbh, all of these seem interesting.

    • @KawYou333
      @KawYou333 2 года назад +4

      King-bishop-rook

    • @daybreak2127
      @daybreak2127 2 года назад +6

      @@KawYou333 That's just a queen with the caviat that if caught you lose.

    • @hy7864
      @hy7864 2 года назад +1

      Instead saying rook-bishop-knight
      Say it's Betza's funny notations instead
      Ex:
      KN=Centaur
      RN=Chancellor
      RNF=Archchancellor
      BN=Archbishop
      BW=Dragon Horse
      RF=Dragon King
      BNW=Templar
      QN=Amazon
      There r more combinations if u also use other atom fairy pieces
      Ex:
      RNC=Acropolis
      BNC=Actor
      QNC=Actress
      AD=Alibaba
      NAD=Squirrel
      BD=Leaping Bishop
      CZ=Bison
      RC=Canvasser
      WDN=Minister
      FA=Elephant
      FAD=FAD
      FD=Fortress
      FH=Frog
      NC=Gnu
      HFD=Half-Duck
      BC=Caliph

    • @eumorpha876
      @eumorpha876 2 года назад +1

      ​@@hy7864 i came up with a few of those too a while ago.
      RA = Captain
      HG = Troika (yes, that is a threeleaper + tripper, which doesn't really **work** on a typical 8x8 board)
      FR = Snake
      WA = Frog

    • @hy7864
      @hy7864 2 года назад

      @@daybreak2127 nah that would be a royal bishop+non-leaping dabbabarider that can castle
      Cuz it can move orthogonally, diagonally, & colorbound at the same time

  • @zyrusjohnjosue8264
    @zyrusjohnjosue8264 Год назад +2

    the gorgon (which is just a queen but anything in its line of sight cant move) would probably be a rival for the amazon

  • @COWHATE
    @COWHATE 2 года назад +2

    Ah a queen with knight moves? New exciting ways for me to blunder.

  • @flavio5046
    @flavio5046 2 года назад +6

    It's not about quantity, it's about the right amount on the right places. If there is too much, the king can't support his pieces, so pawns have to protect themselves while the king stays trapped in the background. See the difference in king activity on the penultimate game compared to the last one.

  • @tvao9010
    @tvao9010 2 года назад +22

    I imagined a lot of time if there where different moving pieces on the game, if you could choose very exotic moving pieces but in a way the computer analysis wouldn’t think it’s too much unbalanced.
    Stuff like having a “double jumping knight” (that can go wherever a knight could in 2 moves, or maybe even 1 move too to be more op) instead of the queen or stuff like how powerful would “jumping bishops” be (moves in the same direction but can jump over pieces like the knight. Also this exact piece idea from this video.
    Not gonna lie, I’ve imagined a game like chess but with upgrading of your pieces giving them more moves making the game half like normal chess with the thinking part but also like clash royale, getting stronger pieces etc and only playing with people at your level of skill/strong pieces.
    Also, making weird moving pieces and playing with an enemy that has the same pieces could be fun too! It would revive the “thinking from scratch“ part of the game. You just need to create weird moving pieces, give them names and arrange them in a way and you have a complete different game with a similar idea to the one had when chess was invented.

    • @FlyingSagittarius
      @FlyingSagittarius 2 года назад

      Bobby fischer’s trying to revitalize that spirit with Chess960, which makes book moves basically nonexistent again.

    • @daledullnig1778
      @daledullnig1778 Год назад

      Chess Evolved Online sounds reminiscent of what you might be looking for.

  • @babydeadpool1237
    @babydeadpool1237 2 года назад +1

    the fact he made so much blunders almost made me throw my phone

  • @eminkilicaslan8945
    @eminkilicaslan8945 Год назад +1

    5:11
    No one:
    Stockfish: Shut up and take my amazon

  • @El_Girasol_Fachero
    @El_Girasol_Fachero 2 года назад +12

    🌟That piece is great🌟
    Greetings Neural Chess👋

  • @Daniel-__
    @Daniel-__ 2 года назад +6

    In chess evolved online the Queen++ has this same move set and it’s a force to be reckoned with. If you get back-rank infiltration with her the only thing that can really stop you is a dragon+++ or a queen++ of their own. Obviously if they have enough rooks then they can shut you down, but it’s easier said than done since the knight movements goes through pieces

    • @tridentgum764
      @tridentgum764 2 года назад +1

      What is chess evolved

    • @Daniel-__
      @Daniel-__ 2 года назад

      @@tridentgum764 It's an older online chess game that let you swap out your chess pieces for new ones and upgrade them. It was popular on Kongregate for a long time. It's also on steam now, but you mostly face bots since the playerbase has long since moved on, but there's still an active discord and plenty of older youtube videos if you want to get started.

  • @Unpug
    @Unpug 2 года назад +1

    Amazing video, wow!

  • @eminkilicaslan8945
    @eminkilicaslan8945 Год назад +2

    Amazon but hear me out: It can jump over pieces not only L but to any direction.

  • @barza-gaming445
    @barza-gaming445 Год назад +3

    0:35 who else got confused why the gameplay stopped 😂
    Like its literally an invisible mate 🤣

  • @kilinein5502
    @kilinein5502 2 года назад +90

    The Thing is that it is point less to go with any amount of Amazone against more than 16 pawns even 14 is enough for the pawns to for this Staircase structure you saw in the fourth game I belive where the Amazone has to sacrifice itself for a pawn to make progress. Its the Same Thing with actual endgames as well, where one pawn can be stronger than a Rook and two pawns can be stronger than a Queen and 3 stronger than a Queen and a Rook. It all depends on how they stand an just from the mobility of the Amazon you See her strengt is the knigh move that can Break throug a structure less than 2 pawns deep right into the enemies teritory. As soon as the Black pawns can Form an Uniform Structure that the Amazone cant get to its over nö matter how many there are

    • @veni1
      @veni1 2 года назад +6

      good point but actually if there's enough amazons to backup it can be possible to sac some of them just to get inside of the pawn wall and eat everything from behind

    • @kilinein5502
      @kilinein5502 2 года назад

      @@veni1 in the end this means one pawn per Amazon which makes it less interesting to show off

    • @veni1
      @veni1 2 года назад +4

      @@kilinein5502 no it doesn't, if you have 2 amazons against 16 pawns you can just sac on one of the side pawns and your second amazon will infiltrate and win easily

    • @kilinein5502
      @kilinein5502 2 года назад

      @@veni1 and if you add one more pawn it has to sac for 2 so an Amazon against an ever incresing amout of pawns becomes worth as much as a pawn

    • @eugenides04
      @eugenides04 2 года назад +5

      @@kilinein5502 Yep, that's why the 2 Amazons are able to beat 24 pawns where one failed against 14. Because adding one Amazon past the first is only able to overcome one additional pawn.

  • @D3ADC4ANN31
    @D3ADC4ANN31 2 года назад

    i got an Amazon ad before watching this lol

  • @jem.b628
    @jem.b628 2 года назад +1

    Everyday I learn new things, and this is for today.

  • @ALF8892
    @ALF8892 2 года назад +3

    The Kibitzer must hate chess being able to see 40 moves deep in a lost position and has to make a move anyway

  • @roadhouse39
    @roadhouse39 2 года назад +3

    Take this as the metaphor it actually is, the only way to win is to become the very thing your are trying to beat. 🤣

  • @jakobanimator116
    @jakobanimator116 2 года назад

    Can't wait for the chess update.

  • @ashercattley9080
    @ashercattley9080 Год назад

    now THIS is industrial action

  • @MC-ep8cu
    @MC-ep8cu 2 года назад +4

    I want to see chess but the queen is replaced by this piece in real games

  • @2020cine
    @2020cine 2 года назад +39

    The Amazon was an extremely strong piece popular in the 18th century. Some Historians believe it was nerfed because having a female character overpowering the king in that way was perceived negatively in fact the promoting of the pawns was banned in some cases because it led to a king having more than one queen which was bigamy

    • @isavenewspapers8890
      @isavenewspapers8890 2 года назад +22

      So they nerfed an extremely powerful piece to just a very powerful piece and all of a sudden it was fine?

    • @bilderramen4695
      @bilderramen4695 2 года назад +1

      @@isavenewspapers8890 yes

    • @dgeri98
      @dgeri98 2 года назад +5

      @@isavenewspapers8890 I guess the main difference is that normally you can't mate with a queen alone (literally alone, not counting king+queen), but it's rather easy to mate with a single amazon

  • @the_nerd_showtv5562
    @the_nerd_showtv5562 Год назад +1

    Bobby Fischer would love to live at this time.
    One of his Dream was to add more Pieces, here it Is

  • @deleted-something
    @deleted-something Год назад +1

    So basically as soon the Amazon infiltrates the game is gone for black, it remembers me of queen and rook in the horde variant

  • @Speedster___
    @Speedster___ 2 года назад +3

    What did you use to have the moves auto play? I want to have them play custom positions

  • @mburg33
    @mburg33 2 года назад +3

    How about 3-5 Amazons vs a Hoard of 36 pawns in that Variant’s setup. How many would it take to beat them all as the strategy for Black in Hoard is to sacrifice almost everything in order to get all the pawns with usually only heavy pieces remaining.

  • @jeremyorison1316
    @jeremyorison1316 2 года назад +1

    That Amazon can deliver checkmate by itself?! Way OP!

  • @alix6xgorg839
    @alix6xgorg839 Год назад

    The pawns after converting to amazons: "Where is your amazon now?"

  • @ELS737
    @ELS737 2 года назад +10

    Great video! How can I experiment with it on my own PC?

    • @omga9574
      @omga9574 2 года назад +2

      same question here. commenting so it goes to the top!

    • @hy7864
      @hy7864 2 года назад

      U can try ChessCraft but there's no arrow or evaluation bar

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 2 года назад

      I've seen other comments mention the term "fairy stockfish," so the video was probably using that tweaked variant of the stockfish chess engine.

  • @Alexander--
    @Alexander-- 2 года назад +3

    How many Pawns does it take to take down a piece combined of Rook and Knight / Bishop and Knight?

  • @harishgovekar3597
    @harishgovekar3597 2 года назад +2

    Please make more content on Amazon

  • @ignasxv
    @ignasxv 2 года назад

    That's why my packages aren't arriving

  • @donovanmahan2901
    @donovanmahan2901 2 года назад +8

    4:04 looked like white could have forced their way through a6 with both amazons to force a back-rank mate.

    • @enzomsp7251
      @enzomsp7251 2 года назад +6

      if amazon takes a6, black takes e1 with check and then takes a6

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 2 года назад

      @@enzomsp7251 e2*

  • @nikosmos7736
    @nikosmos7736 2 года назад +3

    Last game: After move 13(4:04) , Amazon d3 to A6 would had been mate in 3

    • @metalprogrammer9224
      @metalprogrammer9224 Год назад

      It would not, pawn would take amazon with check, king is forced to move, the other amazon will be taken after that.

    • @feinste-scheibe8276
      @feinste-scheibe8276 Год назад

      Fair didnt saw the check👍

    • @jrbcodes
      @jrbcodes Год назад

      no its not 😭

    • @iliekpotatoes1102
      @iliekpotatoes1102 Год назад

      It would be if pawn can’t promote to Amazon

  • @-mike1622
    @-mike1622 2 года назад +1

    1:52
    At this point the amazon should just be the king lmao

  • @Bruh-mb8dx
    @Bruh-mb8dx Год назад +1

    I thought you meant the company until the thumbnail loaded

  • @TomClarke1995
    @TomClarke1995 2 года назад +3

    Okay before I see a video proposing any other combinations, I wanna unofficially patent the Hero piece since I’ve had the idea for over a year now. It’s a piece that only a promoted pawn can become, and it’s a combination of the knight and the bishop.

    • @TomClarke1995
      @TomClarke1995 2 года назад

      If I made my own chess game, I wouldn’t allow for multiple queens, and I would only allow for one replacement Queen as well as only one available Hero piece.

    • @NeuralChess
      @NeuralChess  2 года назад

      :) ruclips.net/video/piSugmoUSZo/видео.html

    • @TomClarke1995
      @TomClarke1995 2 года назад

      @@NeuralChess 😂 sometimes I think I’m just in a simulation.

  • @sankethb.k642
    @sankethb.k642 2 года назад +28

    I thought the last pawn structure cannot be broken even with 10 Amazons, like what if you never create an opening and move all three layers together

    • @9181shreyasbhatt
      @9181shreyasbhatt 2 года назад +16

      10 Amazons can crush it. u can sacrifice 9 amazones to just create a opening and than u need 1 amazon to give the mate

    • @justinpiche9177
      @justinpiche9177 2 года назад

      @@9181shreyasbhatt plz calculate this!

    • @9181shreyasbhatt
      @9181shreyasbhatt 2 года назад +2

      @@justinpiche9177 Can please specify what needs to be calculated

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 2 года назад +1

      I'd expect even 4 amazons could handle it... 3 sacrifices on the same lateral column would breach the wall.

    • @jasonhoerner9954
      @jasonhoerner9954 2 года назад +1

      A sac on a5 or h5 breaks through, because after the first Amazon is taken, the second Amazon can reach b7 or g7 and then back rank mate. The only way to make the sac fail is for the black king to protect the pawn.
      Staying in range of the pawn leads to other problems though, as the Amazons can quickly threaten the opposite side. Black ends up in Zugzwang and needs to advance pawns. Advancing pawns seems like it would work, but creates weaknesses that lead to gradual loss of pawns or additional squares that can be sacrificed on. That’s my interpretation at least…

  • @piotrzwirowski8435
    @piotrzwirowski8435 2 года назад

    That was surprisingly obvious, it ended where there were no unprotected pawns left

  • @pluslogic584
    @pluslogic584 2 года назад

    “Oh no, my Amazon!”

  • @grubygrzib6308
    @grubygrzib6308 2 года назад +6

    How do you add amazon into the game?

  • @mlmbird
    @mlmbird 2 года назад +11

    Imagine a new rule for chess that states: If a queen defeats X pieces and go to the same spot as knight, both pieces become an Amazon...
    May be impractical, but would give a new flavor

  • @UnadvisedStefan01
    @UnadvisedStefan01 Год назад

    that 24 pawn part is the pov of fighting the soviets

  • @MagyarGaben
    @MagyarGaben Год назад

    Idea: Crooked Bishop - can move like both a rook and bishop but can only take as bishop

  • @hudsonmoraes1261
    @hudsonmoraes1261 2 года назад +3

    Que controle de tempo você usou? A impressão que me deu é que você usou ritmos bem rápidos. Do tipo blitz. Mas creio que são pouco úteis nesse caso. O ideal seria dar bastante tempo para os computadores pensarem.

  • @gonzalotapia1250
    @gonzalotapia1250 2 года назад +7

    2 vs 24 had lots of flaws. Black should have easily drawn by moving just the king, and there's nothing the white side can do.

    • @linklight2
      @linklight2 2 года назад

      Computers are built to usually play for a win unless drawing is the best option possible. When winning is still possible, no matter how large the enemy's advantage, it will still play for a win

    • @linklight2
      @linklight2 2 года назад

      For example, a computer will play for a win, even if the enemy has 2-3 pieces up, as long as it at least has 1 pawn or two minor pieces. As long as it is possible to win technically, the computer will attempt for that win

    • @scion.
      @scion. 2 года назад +5

      If black only moves the king it loses. White could stack both Amazons on the A file (or H file whichever is farther from the black king), then play Axa5.
      If black refuses the sacrifice, Axb7 infiltrates and is unstoppable.
      If black recaptures with bxa5, white plays Axa5 again, followed by Ab7 which is unstoppable.

    • @emissarygw2264
      @emissarygw2264 2 года назад +2

      I like how so many people are like "wow stockfish was so dumb, it could have easily won doing X" or "what a bunch of garbage nonsensical sacs". Except they're completely wrong every time 😂

    • @AlcyonEldara
      @AlcyonEldara 2 года назад

      @@scion. ok (+minor adjustements if the king is on the B or C file) but you also gave a way to prevent the idea: just move the A et the H panws

  • @kendzy7
    @kendzy7 2 года назад

    I've always wondered what a queen + knight piece would be like. I was so hyped to watch this! Massive thumbs up!!

  • @hvkbplays_
    @hvkbplays_ 2 года назад +1

    Amazon piece sounds like the OP Anime Protagonist on the Next season

  • @softprob2838
    @softprob2838 2 года назад +4

    Amazon is the most powerful, fastest, and tricky piece in chess. It is the 2.0 version of Queen in Chess. I would really love to see FIDE Chess to incorporate Amazon in Chess.

    • @the7esla989
      @the7esla989 2 года назад +9

      the game would be solved with a piece like amazon. We do not want chess to be solved. If it is solved, we will have to resort to playing shogi.

    • @akashbharadwaj02
      @akashbharadwaj02 2 года назад +6

      Amazon will ruin chess

  • @user-zg4bk6rv1q
    @user-zg4bk6rv1q 2 года назад +3

    Either the stockfish doesn't understand the 24 pawns vs 2 amazons or it understands is so well that it looks like he doesn't to the untrained eye because to me it looked like pawns shouldn't lose so i probably missed something

  • @tristandowney948
    @tristandowney948 2 года назад +1

    well all it takes is the pawns becoming unionised then collectively demanding better working conditions and pay increases. then the pawns will beat amazon.

  • @eminkilicaslan8945
    @eminkilicaslan8945 Год назад +1

    Pawns: Apes together strong!

  • @thespectrum8503
    @thespectrum8503 2 года назад +3

    4:02 at this point, both white amazons could work togheter to over take A6
    White D3 -> A6
    Black B7 -> A6 (If not, White A6 -> A8 Check mate)
    White E2 -> A6
    Black Any move
    White A6 -> A8 Check mate
    I know it's a machine, but worth the commentary.

    • @JoeyTM
      @JoeyTM 2 года назад

      I noticed that too. Guess stockfish doesnt like saccing incredibly important pieces.

    • @alexandroschotzoglou6963
      @alexandroschotzoglou6963 2 года назад +2

      You didn't notice that if f3 take E2 its a check....so white will loose both amazons

    • @thespectrum8503
      @thespectrum8503 2 года назад

      @@alexandroschotzoglou6963 The problem was White F3E2, if wasn't for that move, it could be a easy hit for the checkmate.

  • @enoking
    @enoking 2 года назад +5

    It's an amazing piece but I think the design of it could be more original and better instead of a knight with a crown

  • @a11pu1poj
    @a11pu1poj 2 года назад +1

    cool idea! cool to watch

  • @AB-J
    @AB-J 2 года назад

    I swear that there was a piece back in the olden days of chess called “Giraffe” and it did the same as that piece

  • @lynk_1240
    @lynk_1240 2 года назад +3

    pretty sure I could easily beat 2 amazon if I have 24 pawns

    • @maelstrom57
      @maelstrom57 2 года назад +4

      At least you couldn't lose. You could shuffle your king back and forth and white couldn't make any progress.

    • @johnfredrickxo
      @johnfredrickxo 2 года назад

      -Bill Gates to Jeff Bezos

    • @goldxdream
      @goldxdream 2 года назад +1

      @@maelstrom57 pretty sure the amazons will sacrifice on the a or h file and after Axh(a)5 gxh(a)5 Axh(a)5, the Amazon has access through g7(b7). The king is not fast enough to guard b7 and g7 which is critical for this to work. The amazons can switch from a to h file faster than the king can get to b7 and g7 (whichever needs to be guarded).

  • @ME0WMERE
    @ME0WMERE 2 года назад +9

    4:03: Surely taking the pawn on a6 is mate in 2?

    • @benrosborough35
      @benrosborough35 2 года назад +13

      F×e2 comes with check. If Amazon takes than b5 and then if king takes you can k
      Capture the other amazon

    • @kemritwithgunbutrebornasle4021
      @kemritwithgunbutrebornasle4021 2 года назад

      Yes it is

    • @maelstrom57
      @maelstrom57 2 года назад +1

      @@kemritwithgunbutrebornasle4021 Are you dumb? The reply before you explained why it isn't.

  • @RyanGotReal
    @RyanGotReal Год назад

    Emotionally devestating.

  • @Spryxl
    @Spryxl Год назад +1

    Pawn that moves like a king

  • @tanneredens329
    @tanneredens329 2 года назад +8

    My question is.... does that mean the King is into beastiality

  • @rougenarwhal8378
    @rougenarwhal8378 2 года назад

    Checklight, boardkeep, horseboss

  • @TeaInTheMorning-we2kh
    @TeaInTheMorning-we2kh Год назад +1

    chess but all the pieces are pawns

  • @lendaibeats9296
    @lendaibeats9296 2 года назад

    thats cool, finally a new update in chess

  • @Prince_Leif
    @Prince_Leif Год назад

    It looks like a Master Knight by how powerful this thing is

  • @0utrage850
    @0utrage850 2 года назад

    I had an Amazon add before this video

  • @andy02q
    @andy02q Год назад

    An Amazon which is also a king (check and mate rules) is known as a Maharadscha.
    In India they used to play Maharadscha vs full chess set and it took them quiet a while to figure out a forced mate.

  • @Templarfreak
    @Templarfreak 2 года назад

    It seems like it'd be a _little_ bit more even if the extra pawns were put in the backline instead. lol

  • @dudeyouresick4281
    @dudeyouresick4281 2 года назад +1

    Can't wait to see the Amazon on FIDE tornaments

  • @Blue_The_Protogen.
    @Blue_The_Protogen. 2 года назад

    The chess piece I would like to see next is a Amazon rider

  • @ibarelymakevideos
    @ibarelymakevideos Год назад +1

    14 pawns too much for Amazon cuz th pawn turned into amazon

  • @vedarovski4110
    @vedarovski4110 Год назад +1

    It is always a check