i dont know if you mention this, but remember how each type of magic has a distinct symbol? and remember how there is even symbols only used for 1 or 2 spells? like the rot ones or the lava ones? BUBBLE MAGIC HAS CARIAN SYMBOL, this proves that the carian royal family its the same royal family of the nox, maybe its a stretch, but wouldnt it be possible that the nox werent always the nox? maybe they were originally astrologers, all astrologers settlements are now ruins, maybe their betrayal was to befriend the giants,
I was just editing some stuff rn and i had a similar thought about the nox being some kind of kin to astrologers that renalla came from but I never noticed that about the symbols I'm pinning this
They (Carian and Bubble/Claymen) are not exactly the same but they do have a lot in common, whereas the symbols of Gravity, pure Glintstone, Lava and Death are all very different. Exactly the same are Carian + Crystallian (also used for the Moon spells including Adula's Moonblade) and Night + Bubble. Interestingly all the other Frost sorceries and primeval sorceries have no symbol at all, which could mean that the Snow Witch and the Zamor people got their magic quite... "naturally"... like Azur and Lusat by "glimpsing into the primeval current" - instead of "inventing" those spells intentionally. Anyway, thanks for another awesome lore video. Your power of observation and deduction is impressive and your theories are always very well-thought-out and make a lot of sense. I really enjoy watching your videos.
A good way to confirm that theorie would be to just see what symbol uses the night maiden mist spell , as its a real nox spell unlike the bubbles of the stone man
Dude I had no idea the night sorceries were unable to be dodged by the faster enemy types that like to dodge my spells all the time. You just taught me something that I had no clue about and I am incredibly grateful :D thats enough to have me subscribe lol.
I really agree with the theory that the Nox invented puppetry as a form of prolonging there life. They seemed very much about the whole “making yourself a god” and learning to control there own fates. Turning yourself into an “immortal” form seems like something they would do. It was probably considered an honor to be turned into a puppet because it probably was like “transcending life to be of service forever”. Kinda like the mausoleum ghosts. They stay there out of sheer Will and a promise they made in life. The nox probably made puppets out of “people” emotionally close to the intended user of the puppet. Or possibly in the specific case of the ones we can get in game, maybe it was a promise they made to each other.
That's a good theory, that one being called nameless and all and with it lacking the distinctive false sky. But I still think that them being robbed of their sky refers to them having lived topside before astel leveled their city, but I could just as easily be wrong. I do think it's possible that deeproot depths not having a false sky is due to the fact that there's no nox there but the ruins in deeproot are specifically Nox in architecture so you got me there. Great take
Dude, I love your narration! It's like every sentence can be followed up with "...or some shit, I dunno....." you break it down, but you don't talk as if everyone has memorized every little peice of lore. Take this sub!!!
I used to only ever watch Vaati for this kind of lore shit, but I feel like you choose more interesting topics and I like the casual presentation. You remind me of a friend of mine if he could actually explain aspects of the Elden Ring plot
Yesterday I found something cool- in the albinuric village there is a larval tear, which further ties the albinuric to the Nox, which I think is pretty cool.
Just realized you're my favorite lore dude lol. Like of your video dropped at the same time as Vatti's I'd probably watch yours first. Unless I was gonna like smoke up later or something. Moral of the story is you're the shit and I hope you keep making videos.
I've been watching more and more of your lore videos and man they just hit fr. The vibe, the research, the knowledge and the down to earth way your communicate just makes the video really easy to listen to. Keep it up man, fav lore RUclips rn
Great video, i think the inspiration for the Nox is most likely "Nok culture". An ancient civilization that existed thousands of years ago in kaduna, Nigeria. Coincidentally, the Noks just like the Nox in Elden Ring vanished mysteriously and their civilization is believed to be buried deep underground. This might also explain why the Nox in Elden ring have a much darker skin. Also, the Noks were said to have had a strange infatuation with Clay, Iron and Silver.
Idk if you have this planned but a video about Hewg/the round table would be interesting especially about Hewg. I feel like him alone really helps us understand Marika's goal and what she wanted to accomplish.
Wasnt he there to like, make her weapons that can kill gods so that nobody may oppose her, bc she can get someone to kill the gof with that weapon but marika went x_x'd and left hewg with just a shitty smithing anvil in the roundtable
Enjoyed these specific topic lores a lot, brings me a lot of satisfaction. Nox is my favourite type of enemy in the game and have been using their weapons in pvp a lot recently trying to master them, despite the ash of war being the only one that works
@@MacinteuchPlus true, been playing dual cold urumi for my Dex/Int build and loving it, running r1/r1 and jump r1 are my fav. I only uses the flowing sword as a back up weapon for its weapon art. Sometimes only when free aiming can have better chance at hitting the opponent. Not ideal weapon for ganking or invasion tho..
man, just wanna say, big fan of your videos. feels like im hearing a buddy discuss all of the lore they've accumulated & its really digestible when you lay it out like that. but i was struck with an epiphany while watching, could it be that the Nox created the albinaurics & that is what drew the ire from the greater will? would make sense seeing as how the albinaurics are untouched by grace. The Nox are also obviously skilled in using silver to make different things & the albinaurics bleed silver. not sure if you mention this or its common knowledge but again, great videos!
Esoterically, the Moon/silver is reflective and can only reflect the brightness of the Sun, not able to make its own. Much like real life but with more connotations. Funny the Nox try to create their own lord to rival the Sun/Golden Order?
@@energyfitness5116 yeah like the eyeball of the giants having the dotted pattern. That's straight out of old alchemy books. I love this game. Im playing bloodborne now. That's a hell of a game too. I cut my teeth on demon and dark souls. But BB might be my favorite so far. It's way wierd.
Eternal cities all sat above ground. The main highway that spans across the Lands Between connected each of the cities. (Nameless) Eternal city of Lendyll is partially above and below ground. The whole section of water within the walls of Lendyll is where the Nameless section of the Eternal City sat. As always, love your lore videos. Keep up the good work!
Strange how it just dawned on me that Ranni having 4 arms gives her the same number of appendages as a butterfly, like her master literally was the Dark Moon Butterfly or something. Like a Moonlight Butterfly
@@TheHonoredMadman I like your theory that Rannis master was literally the physical manifestation of the dark moon btw that idea with the knowledge that her body is a replica of her master is what made me come to that epiphany. Stay stoned bro ✌️
@@CrypticDiabolo any reason but your incorrect statement, and seriously you are making the biggest stretch to link a character that doesnt havr any relation with butterflies when you hsve 3 diferent types of butterflies in the game all tied to marika's children Aeonian butterflies for malenia Nescient butterflies for miquella Burning butterflies for melina You guys just try too hard to link elden ríng with souls universe, just because fromsoft recycle refine and reuse the same concepts over and over again Its like ppl saying both world have dragons that have a conection ti lightning, YEAH DUH all cultures that derive from the indo european culture have a variation of "thunder god slays dragon" fromsoft didnt invented the dragons being weak to lightning
There seems to be a strong connection between the eternal cities and the Church of Vows. Have you noticed that the statue in the Church of Vows is identical to a Nox swordstress? And celestial dew comes from the eternal cities. Loving the longer videos btw
@@TheHonoredMadman This may hold no water at all but I thought about it some and I have an idea. The evidence from the church leads me to believe the Nox were a part of the Golden Order at the time of Radagons invasion of Liurnia. So the Nox wear white robes with gold trimmings and their skin seems to be black as night. They were also possibly adherants to the Golden Order at one time. Doesn't that description match the ever brilliant Goldmask to a tee?
Being an old hand at From Soft games I have no expectations that the DLC will explain anything, I think we will always have confusion and contradictory lore. But, you are doing some great work in processing it.
Haha same here. I get lots of comments bout how dlc will be about alot of likely things like godwyn miquella and the deathbirds or the sun realm but deep down I know that the dlc will likely just bring more mysteries and zero answers or conclusions lol
Miyazaki has stated that he loves ro leave things open ended and confusing because the theory crafting that follows from this also makes an interesting story. These games are usually post apocalytic and its up to us to piece together what might have happened like an archealogist.
Do you have any thoughts on the implications of the Memory Stone? Here is the description: A black, lightly beguiling stone. Prized by the sorcerers who produce them. Increases memory slots. Said to be a fragment of the black moon that once hung above the Eternal City. It’s weird to me that you can take a piece (fragment) of the dark moon because, well it’s a moon. It’s weird language to use. So that’s something that sticks in my head. Side note: it seems like there are three moons (at least to me): Rennala’s, Ranni’s Dark Moon, and the Black Moon. Does that count seem correct to you? Btw, great videos man, keep it up, love the "stream of consciousness" style too.
Something super interesting to note about the Chair Crypt Skeleton in Nokron, the cloth hanging between its legs has a pattern on it which I’ve seen in one other place, an imprint on the lower half of the Godskin Apostle robes. Makes me think the skinned Gods were those massive skeletons. Also interesting with their ties to the Carians, a Noble is guarding Ranni’s true body, a Noble is working with Rykard, and there’s an apostle at the bottom of Radahn’s divine tower. Edit: also I think it’s important to note that the snow witch set explicitly calls Ranni’s mentor heretical, making me think the snow witch was the owner of Heretical Rise in the MotG. There’s even a bunch of spirit trees (representing the life that was lost when the whole region was doused in flame) surrounding it as a forest. And what is underneath Heretical Rise? Spiritcaller Cave which has a snail as the boss calling a Noble and Apostle, giving scouring black flame and the Godskin swaddling cloth talisman.
Def noticed the Berserk reference for the Fallen Hawk characters being a loose nod to the original Band of the Hawk that Griffith sacrificed in the story.
Yeah, seems like the Nox/Numen people were desperately trying to opose the golden order so they made a lot of different magic stuff. Fake dragons, fallen star gods, silver and mimic tears, albinaurics, and probably even the puppets maybe were all attempts to make a lord or take control of a lord. Even with their silver color and moon focus they opose the golden sun-like tree. I still wonder what those big skeletons sitting in the thrones are. Good video as usual.
I was thinking that the Nox could be of the Draconian race since they come from a "cold blooded race" and their skin is the same as that starting class.
A lot of creature have silver skin Silver skin moreso represents people who go against the erdtree, like the stage 2 albinaurics that have silver skin who were born of the haligtree, The people of nokron who wanted to get rid of the erdtree, etc. The carian royal stuff also has a lot to do with silver too
I recognize that background music at 1:25. Pikmin 2 baby, hell yeah. Excellent choice. I don't know if it plays for the whole video, but I won't be upset if it does.
Good stuff man. Personally I've assumed that because only the greater will is mentioned in items descriptions about the downfall of the the eternal cities, and not Marika or the Erdtree, that this event occurred before Marika was the golden child of the greater will and the age of the Erdtree began. Though I suppose the stars and the black moon the Nox worshipped could have been one of the many oppositional forces preventing the Erdtree from flourishing. Perhaps Marika was even involved in their punishment, in the same way she was pitted against the Giants, but that's just a random thought. Though you'd think if that were true her name would appear somewhere in reference to the fate of the Nox and the cities, it does seem like a great deal of history was intentionally buried along with the people.
It's your boi, Loremaster Clinical Depression back at ya with another Elden Ring lore video! All kidding aside - Really nice work man. Keep up the great content. I enjoyed the background music greatly as well.
Here are my thoughts about Marika and the underground One interesting connection is the Marika is referred to as Marika the Eternal, there are three “Eternal” cities underground, the Numen are said to be scions of these eternal cities, and Marika is said to be a Numen. Maybe Marika lived in one of them when all three were topside? Maybe she was always from the Lands Between and not from a foreign land? Are there any item descriptions that suggest Numen are from “outside” the Lands Between?
Nothing to back this up but my thought is that the Dragonkin were an early experiment in creating a Lord, the seated female were meant to be thier respective Empyreans.
I like your theory on one of the D's being a mimic. I feel like their sword and armor somewhat hint at it too, being half gold to represent the Golden Order, and half silver, representing being a silver (mimic) tear.
I love this video so much and I’ve farmed for that fucking dagger for longer than I’m comfortable admitting with an arcane build character with a silver scarab and I’ve still not got it. I feel shafted.
It seems pretty natural to assume “queen marika, the eternal” came from an “eternal city” IMO, also in real life, civilizations are found beneath the ground that used to be on the surface, so maybe this is just what was on top before?
Yeah I mean the description graveyard of previous civilizations seems to confirm that they were built over but the eternal city was sacked by astel and then built over by the golden order it basically buried over them by building on top. But you're right
Here are some brief thoughts I have about the Brothers D (TM) The Brothers D have two minds, two bodies, but one soul (according the their armor). Of COURSE they would be welcomed by the Golden Order, as it seems Marika/Radagon know all about having one soul but two minds and two bodies. That idea isn’t my own, saw it in a lore video by V-Limit. I think his gold/silver imagery is interesting, as you find silver fireflies only underground and gold fireflies only above ground, both meant the symbolize either the Nox’s goals or the Golden Order (at least that’s how it seems to me). D’s armor is a marriage of Gold and Silver, so wouldn’t it be cool if we saw something about him in the Church of Vows? As in, that’s where Radagon (Gold) and Rennala (Silver (if she’s associated with underground Nox and Ranni)) marry. At least we see a Nox statue there.
I have a video idea for you, idk of you'll see this but i think it would be interesting. I've always wondered what the arcane stat is.. All the other stats make some logical since but arcane is the weirdest, going to oracle bubble sorcery, blood incantations, and dragon incantations. Its also involved with the albirnaurics, so its alittle odd and feels inconsistent.
i agree, its also affiliated with the occult infusion on weapons. in bloodborne it meant like cosmic shit right? but in this game int would be the Space stuff. thats a good video idea if i can think up a couple theories ill definitely make it
@@TheHonoredMadman another thing to mention is how spells that should have arcane don't, like placidusax's ruin is a dragon spell but doesn't require arcane. Their are probably a few others that are inconsistent. Stat requirements are kinda inconsistent in this game, like how death and ghostflame sorceries require both int and faith but the weapons only require int, or how the the golden order greatsword only requires faith, despite being a fundamentalists sword.. It really bothers me, idk if its a mistake on their part or intentional.
Another thing to add about the greatsword is that it was originally a moonlight sword so that's that's more reason for it to have atleast a small amount of int scaling. Placidusax ruin I genuinely think is an oversight on from softs part. But I agree the Ghostface stuff makes no sense too, it seems like a really underdeveloped bit of the lore in general because I've been researching the death birds and Ghost flame and there isn't a whole lot to go from other than the few descriptions we have and the whole caste so, and the sun and eclipse and all that plus a supposed land where the sun was worshipped.
You don't know why there's an Astel in the Yelough excavations? It's a ruined Eternal City down there. Look around and you'll find hints of architecture.
The people in the big thrones were their equivalents of the two finger emissary, and the finger slayer blade was used to kill them both hence why they are slumped dead and hence why the blade is found under one. That be my theory rrrrrrrrrrr
The dark or black moon might have something to do with the solar eclipse, where the moon looks completely black, and also wards off destined death and grants souls to soulless demigods, including mausoleum demigods and Godwyn. I got that information from the Eclipse Greatshield, as well as some spirit NPCs and Castle Sol in general. Do you have any thoughts on these connections?
Yeah that seems to be the case. I said ranni in the video but she basically becomes the Marika to the dark moon outer God and you would indeed be here lord consort
Yo, 2 great things I took from this video - the Nox may be a matriarchal society and the sweet Blade Runner references (I LOVE Blade Runner. I have the ttrpg and the comics, I'm eager for the new video game, etc).
I think the true descendants of the Nox are the Carians, and that what Latenna was doing with the birthing droplet is how the Nightfolk (who once bled silver long ago) came into being. There's far too many ties between the Carian royal family and the ruins of the Nox for it to be a coincidence, or them just happening to rediscover their science.
The giant nox (albaunaric*) women sitting on the thrones was an attempt of creating a god. Not sure if this was one of the reasons why the Nox were banished, or if these attempts were done afterwards. Either way, the GW doesn't appreciate opposing threats challenging their/QueenMarika's version of the Elden Ring's Law&Order.
Ranni wants to create an age not reliant on grace by riding herself of her (godly) flesh a d becoming artificial (a doll), while the Nox are trying to make a new lord by taking artificial silver tears and turning them into flesh like being. There's the Pocket-Crater near where the star falls after Radhan. Maybe a fragment that landed earlier or maybe it slipped through the cracks. Theres an Alibaster lord and maybe a key. Could be related to what's haplenong, not a lot to go on.
it says in multiple descriptions that they wait for their lord if the night, i just assumed the tears were them taking their fate into their own hands and making a lord instead of waiting around. similar to what gowry is doing with the rot god and scarlet valkyrie
Love your videos man. Just wanted to give you a heads up your game play audio drowns out a lot of your outro. You can still hear it but it's a little bit difficult
You think theres a connection between the silver/mimic tears and the albinaurics... update I mentioned this while listening and you mentioned it hahah. Nice theories dude
wonder if night maidens are akin to finger maidens; only they are the maidens of the stars/dark moon rather than the fingers. hence their higher social status
So what about the black knife assassin's? they were supposed to be nox women, or was it numen women from the eternal cities? If the latter then maybe the numen were the original inhabitants of the eternal cities who were wiped out by astel, and the nox only occupied the ruins after their exile underground. Anyway, if the black knives opposed the golden oder, why do they go after Ranni and her followers? I never understood that.
In deeproot depths ther is a site of grace that is called The Nameless Eternal City, and the place has ruins of the eternal cities arquitecture, but it doesn´t have a fake sky like the other cities, and the astel naturalborn of the void arena has the same fake sky of the etenal cities. So it is posible that the eternal city astel destroyed is that one.
yeah i was talking to another commenter that pointed that out and it certainly adds up. its a good theory, i only didnt mention it because there was no nox there but maybe theres significance to that. i still think its possible that them having their sky stolen refers to them being forced undergorund after their cities were buried. but its something im definitely researching
@@TheHonoredMadman Also i thonk that is intresting that the city is located near the roots of the erdtree so it maust have been built befor the erdtree or when the erdtree was small / (the crucible).
Lol I genuinely just thought it was because they were all English accents that say it in game lol but it reminded of a joke conan made about Gordon ramsay
@@TheHonoredMadman so the d twins stay separate from one another because twins are considered a bad omen. They both work towards the same end, to where little d ended up underground and incapacitated by inaction and doubt when we find him. His brothers death motivates him, but he is still disenfranchised and leaves again. The misbegotten are george martin putting in more bastards and incest, hence the red hair. Thats why the redheaded ones have legendary armaments, particularly the golden order greatsword radagon reforged. Keep up the hard work friend
@@TheHonoredMadman I combed the area but I’m also hopelessly blonde so, you know… but anyway I haven’t found her. She has loot upon her corpse?! Gimmie!
It's just a remedy crystal bud but I've been going back over the area a bunch of times and can't find it again either but I'll check again because the whole way I found it in the first place was that I remembered finding it my first playthroigh but couldn't remember the item so I scoured the place and found it again but my dumb ass ddidnt mark it unfortunately
24:20 Yeah, considering both works deal with the themes of colonialism, exiles, subjugation of different classes/races and creating artificial beings for slave labor. I'd say your compassion is on point.
Siofra is actually pronounced "She-fra." I can't remember if it's Welsh or Irish. Also, where did you find in game that says the Nox are cold-blooded? Not that I don't believe you, I just don't remember seeing anything about it. And finally, I think it more plausible that the D brothers joined the ranks of the Golden Order AFTER being ostracized by everyone, everywhere else.
theres nothing that backs my theory about the other D ebing a mimic tear it was just a goofy theory of mine. but the nox are referred to as cold blooded in the swordstress and mightmaiden puppet. and yeah i learned the pronouciation yesterday and im gonna say it like that from now on because its so fun to say lol
The Nox look like Marika, or at least how she is at the end of the game - crumbling and grey. Because of this, I'm positive Marika isn't actually "human," but another being made out of the Silver Tears. An albinauric, in other words, which also explains how she and Radagon and then reunited - that Mimic Tear quest that was cut further emphasizes this with the way the mimic goes inside our bodies; I imagine the process is similar for Radagon and Marika. Which, on that note, perhaps Radagon was a curse of the Fell God or an aspect of his flame, considering Marika's alleged defeat likely not being as the legends say, and the way Radagon hates his red hair. The initial split and Radagon's birth were a result of Marika being afflicted with the Fell God's flame, sort of like the Flame of Frenzy, is my theory But yeah, now I'm convinced Marika was created. She had no say in being "the Eternal" who is enslaved to the Greater Will. And relevant but irrelevant, the Godskins seem to be made of silver tears as well. They bleed white I believe, are said to be created, and predated Marika in being the masters of Destined Death. They are probably affiliated with the Eternal Cities. Makes me wonder if there's a connection between them and "ghostflame," since that and the black flame seem to act very similarly and were used for the same purpose in their respective cultures (this crucible predation, before the age of the erdtree). I know ghostflame is more greenish-blueish but it looks so much like those blue flames always burning in the Eternal Cities Man, I wanna believe I'm right here! The lore for this game is so interconnected and cool, in a way I feel the Fromsoft games weren't before. Their nations and areas always felt more akin to pockets of stories than an interconnected world when compared to Elden Ring's
shit you got me there. i think my thought process was based on the nox being female dominant, the big albinauric lady i mentioned right after also may have affected my mind to assume the big skeletons were women and the fact face wise they looked a bit like the finger reader crones, but youre right theres nothing that confirms them to be women
@@TheHonoredMadman if I’m being honest though, there’s no reason to think they’re men either. I just assumed they were dudes based on my own bias. I was hoping you found some lore I missed. Good shit though. I like these more obscure parts of the game. There’s a million videos about mohg and the golden lineage. Something I don’t see too many soulstubers talking about is the influence of Irish mythology. There’s a few clues to indicate it may be a heavier influence than initially thought.
@@Chef_Jimi3 being honest, I also just instantly assumed it was a lady skeleton. I can't really explain why, but lady skeleton is definitely the vibe it gave off
@@themissionary58 we’ll all have to keep an eye out for lore regarding those people. I’ve never seen them mentioned anywhere but maybe there’s something.
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i dont know if you mention this, but remember how each type of magic has a distinct symbol? and remember how there is even symbols only used for 1 or 2 spells? like the rot ones or the lava ones? BUBBLE MAGIC HAS CARIAN SYMBOL, this proves that the carian royal family its the same royal family of the nox, maybe its a stretch, but wouldnt it be possible that the nox werent always the nox? maybe they were originally astrologers, all astrologers settlements are now ruins, maybe their betrayal was to befriend the giants,
I was just editing some stuff rn and i had a similar thought about the nox being some kind of kin to astrologers that renalla came from but I never noticed that about the symbols I'm pinning this
They (Carian and Bubble/Claymen) are not exactly the same but they do have a lot in common, whereas the symbols of Gravity, pure Glintstone, Lava and Death are all very different. Exactly the same are Carian + Crystallian (also used for the Moon spells including Adula's Moonblade) and Night + Bubble. Interestingly all the other Frost sorceries and primeval sorceries have no symbol at all, which could mean that the Snow Witch and the Zamor people got their magic quite... "naturally"... like Azur and Lusat by "glimpsing into the primeval current" - instead of "inventing" those spells intentionally.
Anyway, thanks for another awesome lore video. Your power of observation and deduction is impressive and your theories are always very well-thought-out and make a lot of sense. I really enjoy watching your videos.
A good way to confirm that theorie would be to just see what symbol uses the night maiden mist spell , as its a real nox spell unlike the bubbles of the stone man
It uses the normal Night Sorcery symbol, but it makes sense that the Nox also "invented" spells intentionally or for special purpose.
@@Dynfara then it means that night sorceries are noxian sorceries
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Dude I had no idea the night sorceries were unable to be dodged by the faster enemy types that like to dodge my spells all the time. You just taught me something that I had no clue about and I am incredibly grateful :D thats enough to have me subscribe lol.
Literally best Elden Ring lore channel rn check?
I really agree with the theory that the Nox invented puppetry as a form of prolonging there life. They seemed very much about the whole “making yourself a god” and learning to control there own fates. Turning yourself into an “immortal” form seems like something they would do. It was probably considered an honor to be turned into a puppet because it probably was like “transcending life to be of service forever”. Kinda like the mausoleum ghosts. They stay there out of sheer Will and a promise they made in life. The nox probably made puppets out of “people” emotionally close to the intended user of the puppet. Or possibly in the specific case of the ones we can get in game, maybe it was a promise they made to each other.
There's a ruined eternal city in the Deeproot Depths. I'm pretty sure that's the one Astel destroyed; no stars above the ruins.
That's a good theory, that one being called nameless and all and with it lacking the distinctive false sky. But I still think that them being robbed of their sky refers to them having lived topside before astel leveled their city, but I could just as easily be wrong. I do think it's possible that deeproot depths not having a false sky is due to the fact that there's no nox there but the ruins in deeproot are specifically Nox in architecture so you got me there. Great take
Why did the erdtree spurn the numen underground?
They were ob-NOX-ious!
Dude, I love your narration! It's like every sentence can be followed up with "...or some shit, I dunno....." you break it down, but you don't talk as if everyone has memorized every little peice of lore. Take this sub!!!
I used to only ever watch Vaati for this kind of lore shit, but I feel like you choose more interesting topics and I like the casual presentation. You remind me of a friend of mine if he could actually explain aspects of the Elden Ring plot
Madman actually be making videos with consistency and filling them with real information
vaati is so obnoxious. I guess if you speak slowly enough people have time to forget that you're just reading item descriptions verbatim
Vaati: Pointless ASMR and campy shill
Madman: BASED normal speaking human being with good lore theory
“Can’t take any half measures”
Someone’s been rewatching breaking bad.
Indeed
Yesterday I found something cool- in the albinuric village there is a larval tear, which further ties the albinuric to the Nox, which I think is pretty cool.
Just realized you're my favorite lore dude lol. Like of your video dropped at the same time as Vatti's I'd probably watch yours first. Unless I was gonna like smoke up later or something. Moral of the story is you're the shit and I hope you keep making videos.
thanks man that means alot
The Astel boss is by far my favorite and I’m obsessed with figuring out all the lore for it.
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I've been watching more and more of your lore videos and man they just hit fr. The vibe, the research, the knowledge and the down to earth way your communicate just makes the video really easy to listen to. Keep it up man, fav lore RUclips rn
“Lord of the night” (cuts to nightman commeth) lmfao
Great video, i think the inspiration for the Nox is most likely "Nok culture". An ancient civilization that existed thousands of years ago in kaduna, Nigeria. Coincidentally, the Noks just like the Nox in Elden Ring vanished mysteriously and their civilization is believed to be buried deep underground. This might also explain why the Nox in Elden ring have a much darker skin. Also, the Noks were said to have had a strange infatuation with Clay, Iron and Silver.
Idk if you have this planned but a video about Hewg/the round table would be interesting especially about Hewg. I feel like him alone really helps us understand Marika's goal and what she wanted to accomplish.
yeah youre right, tbh i wanted to cover hewg when i cover the misbegotten but hes genuinely deserving of a video. hes now on the list
Wasnt he there to like, make her weapons that can kill gods so that nobody may oppose her, bc she can get someone to kill the gof with that weapon
but marika went x_x'd and left hewg with just a shitty smithing anvil in the roundtable
Enjoyed these specific topic lores a lot, brings me a lot of satisfaction. Nox is my favourite type of enemy in the game and have been using their weapons in pvp a lot recently trying to master them, despite the ash of war being the only one that works
I like the mace but I haven't really messed with the sword at all I love the design of them though
@@TheHonoredMadman the sword’s weapon sry has some crazy slash damage and only good when with high poise and use it as a surprise attack,
@@TheHonoredMadman the sword is sadly very underwhelming, using the urumi is better cause it got the cool whip blade + can be buffed
@@MacinteuchPlus true, been playing dual cold urumi for my Dex/Int build and loving it, running r1/r1 and jump r1 are my fav. I only uses the flowing sword as a back up weapon for its weapon art. Sometimes only when free aiming can have better chance at hitting the opponent. Not ideal weapon for ganking or invasion tho..
@@Andys-u2e fellow dual whips build enjoyer 🤝
man, just wanna say, big fan of your videos. feels like im hearing a buddy discuss all of the lore they've accumulated & its really digestible when you lay it out like that. but i was struck with an epiphany while watching, could it be that the Nox created the albinaurics & that is what drew the ire from the greater will? would make sense seeing as how the albinaurics are untouched by grace. The Nox are also obviously skilled in using silver to make different things & the albinaurics bleed silver. not sure if you mention this or its common knowledge but again, great videos!
Literally playing as a nightfolk for this exact lore so no silver bleed for me
My theory on why radahn held back the stars is because it gives more content yo rannis questline
He held itb ack because nokron is very dangerous and also it's like.. something about fate? idk. It had a lot to do with fate though
So grateful to find a lore RUclipsr that doesn’t take themselves so seriously. 10/10
Esoterically, the Moon/silver is reflective and can only reflect the brightness of the Sun, not able to make its own. Much like real life but with more connotations.
Funny the Nox try to create their own lord to rival the Sun/Golden Order?
That's a very candid thought. I think you have something there. That's pretty genius really..
@@jingalls9142 This game is stuffed with esoterical allegory , especially alchemy.
@@energyfitness5116 yeah like the eyeball of the giants having the dotted pattern. That's straight out of old alchemy books. I love this game. Im playing bloodborne now. That's a hell of a game too. I cut my teeth on demon and dark souls. But BB might be my favorite so far. It's way wierd.
Eternal cities all sat above ground. The main highway that spans across the Lands Between connected each of the cities. (Nameless) Eternal city of Lendyll is partially above and below ground. The whole section of water within the walls of Lendyll is where the Nameless section of the Eternal City sat.
As always, love your lore videos.
Keep up the good work!
Strange how it just dawned on me that Ranni having 4 arms gives her the same number of appendages as a butterfly, like her master literally was the Dark Moon Butterfly or something. Like a Moonlight Butterfly
Holy shit
6 legs + 2 to 4 wings, where are the 2 to 4 appendages that ranni its missing? swear to marika, you ppl deserve a gold medal in jumping to conclusions
@@Necrotaku999 okay lol so why do you think a character from a From Soft game that's associated with the moon has 4 arms giving them 6 limbs in all?
@@TheHonoredMadman I like your theory that Rannis master was literally the physical manifestation of the dark moon btw that idea with the knowledge that her body is a replica of her master is what made me come to that epiphany. Stay stoned bro ✌️
@@CrypticDiabolo any reason but your incorrect statement, and seriously you are making the biggest stretch to link a character that doesnt havr any relation with butterflies when you hsve 3 diferent types of butterflies in the game all tied to marika's children
Aeonian butterflies for malenia
Nescient butterflies for miquella
Burning butterflies for melina
You guys just try too hard to link elden ríng with souls universe, just because fromsoft recycle refine and reuse the same concepts over and over again
Its like ppl saying both world have dragons that have a conection ti lightning, YEAH DUH all cultures that derive from the indo european culture have a variation of "thunder god slays dragon" fromsoft didnt invented the dragons being weak to lightning
Lmfao, Nightman is the lord of the night.
There seems to be a strong connection between the eternal cities and the Church of Vows. Have you noticed that the statue in the Church of Vows is identical to a Nox swordstress? And celestial dew comes from the eternal cities.
Loving the longer videos btw
yeah the celestial tear is even called the night tear by the nox i think its possible they used to live in liurnia
@@TheHonoredMadman This may hold no water at all but I thought about it some and I have an idea. The evidence from the church leads me to believe the Nox were a part of the Golden Order at the time of Radagons invasion of Liurnia.
So the Nox wear white robes with gold trimmings and their skin seems to be black as night. They were also possibly adherants to the Golden Order at one time. Doesn't that description match the ever brilliant Goldmask to a tee?
I think it's confirmed that it is a nox ritual
I like the fact that you call the Nox places and underground places "The Lands Beneath", that should 100% be a canon name, like the Underdark in D&D
Being an old hand at From Soft games I have no expectations that the DLC will explain anything, I think we will always have confusion and contradictory lore. But, you are doing some great work in processing it.
Haha same here. I get lots of comments bout how dlc will be about alot of likely things like godwyn miquella and the deathbirds or the sun realm but deep down I know that the dlc will likely just bring more mysteries and zero answers or conclusions lol
Miyazaki has stated that he loves ro leave things open ended and confusing because the theory crafting that follows from this also makes an interesting story. These games are usually post apocalytic and its up to us to piece together what might have happened like an archealogist.
Do you have any thoughts on the implications of the Memory Stone? Here is the description:
A black, lightly beguiling stone. Prized by the sorcerers who produce them. Increases memory slots. Said to be a fragment of the black moon that once hung above the Eternal City.
It’s weird to me that you can take a piece (fragment) of the dark moon because, well it’s a moon. It’s weird language to use. So that’s something that sticks in my head.
Side note: it seems like there are three moons (at least to me): Rennala’s, Ranni’s Dark Moon, and the Black Moon. Does that count seem correct to you?
Btw, great videos man, keep it up, love the "stream of consciousness" style too.
Completely missed that. Great catch
Would that be the same moon referenced by the Moon of Nokstella
@@skoogadoo I believe so, yeah
I really can't hear him hitting the bong. I was told it happens, so I'm a little disappointed I couldn't hear it. Good video overall.
If the Nox/Numen are the same or similar race it might explain Marika’s beef with the Fell God/ The Sun if she’s a woman of the night
🤔I think woman of the night has another meaning
“The Lands Beneath” what a visionary
big clever time
Something super interesting to note about the Chair Crypt Skeleton in Nokron, the cloth hanging between its legs has a pattern on it which I’ve seen in one other place, an imprint on the lower half of the Godskin Apostle robes. Makes me think the skinned Gods were those massive skeletons. Also interesting with their ties to the Carians, a Noble is guarding Ranni’s true body, a Noble is working with Rykard, and there’s an apostle at the bottom of Radahn’s divine tower.
Edit: also I think it’s important to note that the snow witch set explicitly calls Ranni’s mentor heretical, making me think the snow witch was the owner of Heretical Rise in the MotG. There’s even a bunch of spirit trees (representing the life that was lost when the whole region was doused in flame) surrounding it as a forest. And what is underneath Heretical Rise? Spiritcaller Cave which has a snail as the boss calling a Noble and Apostle, giving scouring black flame and the Godskin swaddling cloth talisman.
Def noticed the Berserk reference for the Fallen Hawk characters being a loose nod to the original Band of the Hawk that Griffith sacrificed in the story.
Yeah, seems like the Nox/Numen people were desperately trying to opose the golden order so they made a lot of different magic stuff.
Fake dragons, fallen star gods, silver and mimic tears, albinaurics, and probably even the puppets maybe were all attempts to make a lord or take control of a lord.
Even with their silver color and moon focus they opose the golden sun-like tree.
I still wonder what those big skeletons sitting in the thrones are.
Good video as usual.
i should have expanded mor on the puppet stuff i just still lack the proof they invented it but all the signs point to the nox.
also thats a good catch on the gold and silver i notice the carians are also very fond of using silver and opposing gold
"I could have 3 ladies inside me!" You forgot that Sellen gives us her Glintstone Essence. That's 4 😅
Tiny Doll Ranni, Melina, Asiimi tear, Sellen essence and Latenna. I count 5.
@@KitsuneShapeShifter if you count summons there's a LOOOOOT more than those, there's the perfumer, the black blade, finlay
@@KitsuneShapeShifteroh oh oh and the jellyfish girl!
I was thinking that the Nox could be of the Draconian race since they come from a "cold blooded race" and their skin is the same as that starting class.
A lot of creature have silver skin
Silver skin moreso represents people who go against the erdtree, like the stage 2 albinaurics that have silver skin who were born of the haligtree, The people of nokron who wanted to get rid of the erdtree, etc. The carian royal stuff also has a lot to do with silver too
Maybe the gate Town chick was running away from the village slaughter and succumbed to her wounds?
Seems the most likely. Glad we didn't have to fight them early on those arrows are annoying as a mf
@@TheHonoredMadman maybe Gideon was helping us after all
I recognize that background music at 1:25. Pikmin 2 baby, hell yeah. Excellent choice. I don't know if it plays for the whole video, but I won't be upset if it does.
Good stuff man. Personally I've assumed that because only the greater will is mentioned in items descriptions about the downfall of the the eternal cities, and not Marika or the Erdtree, that this event occurred before Marika was the golden child of the greater will and the age of the Erdtree began. Though I suppose the stars and the black moon the Nox worshipped could have been one of the many oppositional forces preventing the Erdtree from flourishing. Perhaps Marika was even involved in their punishment, in the same way she was pitted against the Giants, but that's just a random thought. Though you'd think if that were true her name would appear somewhere in reference to the fate of the Nox and the cities, it does seem like a great deal of history was intentionally buried along with the people.
It's your boi, Loremaster Clinical Depression back at ya with another Elden Ring lore video!
All kidding aside - Really nice work man. Keep up the great content. I enjoyed the background music greatly as well.
Here are my thoughts about Marika and the underground
One interesting connection is the Marika is referred to as Marika the Eternal, there are three “Eternal” cities underground, the Numen are said to be scions of these eternal cities, and Marika is said to be a Numen. Maybe Marika lived in one of them when all three were topside? Maybe she was always from the Lands Between and not from a foreign land? Are there any item descriptions that suggest Numen are from “outside” the Lands Between?
The dark moon can be seen in game in southern liurnia where the moon beams come down, hiding behind the erdtree
yeah by the cathedral.
my dumbass forgot to put a clip of it in
Nothing to back this up but my thought is that the Dragonkin were an early experiment in creating a Lord, the seated female were meant to be thier respective Empyreans.
I’m kinda sad the Asimi quest line was taken out of the game. It would’ve been the closest thing FromSoft would’ve had to a Roy Batty character imo
Dude I know it crushed me to find out about it and then find out it was cut
I like your theory on one of the D's being a mimic. I feel like their sword and armor somewhat hint at it too, being half gold to represent the Golden Order, and half silver, representing being a silver (mimic) tear.
You should do more underground lore keep up the great work❤️
Yeah mimic tears ashes description say they don't immitate the will of the summoner. So they probably have free will which means sentience.
BOOM i cant believe i missed that.
I love this video so much and I’ve farmed for that fucking dagger for longer than I’m comfortable admitting with an arcane build character with a silver scarab and I’ve still not got it. I feel shafted.
i think its not in the game because i googled it and scoured forums and found no one who got it
It seems pretty natural to assume “queen marika, the eternal” came from an “eternal city” IMO, also in real life, civilizations are found beneath the ground that used to be on the surface, so maybe this is just what was on top before?
Yeah I mean the description graveyard of previous civilizations seems to confirm that they were built over but the eternal city was sacked by astel and then built over by the golden order it basically buried over them by building on top. But you're right
Half of D's armor is silver too. That could have also have been a hint towards one of the D's is a mimic tear
Here are some brief thoughts I have about the Brothers D (TM)
The Brothers D have two minds, two bodies, but one soul (according the their armor). Of COURSE they would be welcomed by the Golden Order, as it seems Marika/Radagon know all about having one soul but two minds and two bodies. That idea isn’t my own, saw it in a lore video by V-Limit.
I think his gold/silver imagery is interesting, as you find silver fireflies only underground and gold fireflies only above ground, both meant the symbolize either the Nox’s goals or the Golden Order (at least that’s how it seems to me). D’s armor is a marriage of Gold and Silver, so wouldn’t it be cool if we saw something about him in the Church of Vows? As in, that’s where Radagon (Gold) and Rennala (Silver (if she’s associated with underground Nox and Ranni)) marry. At least we see a Nox statue there.
They come from the school of hard Nox.
I have a video idea for you, idk of you'll see this but i think it would be interesting. I've always wondered what the arcane stat is.. All the other stats make some logical since but arcane is the weirdest, going to oracle bubble sorcery, blood incantations, and dragon incantations. Its also involved with the albirnaurics, so its alittle odd and feels inconsistent.
i agree, its also affiliated with the occult infusion on weapons. in bloodborne it meant like cosmic shit right? but in this game int would be the Space stuff. thats a good video idea if i can think up a couple theories ill definitely make it
@@TheHonoredMadman another thing to mention is how spells that should have arcane don't, like placidusax's ruin is a dragon spell but doesn't require arcane. Their are probably a few others that are inconsistent. Stat requirements are kinda inconsistent in this game, like how death and ghostflame sorceries require both int and faith but the weapons only require int, or how the the golden order greatsword only requires faith, despite being a fundamentalists sword.. It really bothers me, idk if its a mistake on their part or intentional.
Another thing to add about the greatsword is that it was originally a moonlight sword so that's that's more reason for it to have atleast a small amount of int scaling. Placidusax ruin I genuinely think is an oversight on from softs part. But I agree the Ghostface stuff makes no sense too, it seems like a really underdeveloped bit of the lore in general because I've been researching the death birds and Ghost flame and there isn't a whole lot to go from other than the few descriptions we have and the whole caste so, and the sun and eclipse and all that plus a supposed land where the sun was worshipped.
I think there's a difference between arcane communing with outer gods, and int studying fate and cosmic glintstone currents
You don't know why there's an Astel in the Yelough excavations?
It's a ruined Eternal City down there. Look around and you'll find hints of architecture.
fuck for some reason i treat it like every other cave and just run through it paying little mind. kinda dumb of me really
The people in the big thrones were their equivalents of the two finger emissary, and the finger slayer blade was used to kill them both hence why they are slumped dead and hence why the blade is found under one. That be my theory rrrrrrrrrrr
The dark or black moon might have something to do with the solar eclipse, where the moon looks completely black, and also wards off destined death and grants souls to soulless demigods, including mausoleum demigods and Godwyn. I got that information from the Eclipse Greatshield, as well as some spirit NPCs and Castle Sol in general.
Do you have any thoughts on these connections?
lol "they're an impatient bunch"
edit: I interpreted the "Lord of Night" to be the player if they choose the Age of Stars ending
Yeah that seems to be the case. I said ranni in the video but she basically becomes the Marika to the dark moon outer God and you would indeed be here lord consort
Yo, 2 great things I took from this video - the Nox may be a matriarchal society and the sweet Blade Runner references (I LOVE Blade Runner. I have the ttrpg and the comics, I'm eager for the new video game, etc).
I think the true descendants of the Nox are the Carians, and that what Latenna was doing with the birthing droplet is how the Nightfolk (who once bled silver long ago) came into being. There's far too many ties between the Carian royal family and the ruins of the Nox for it to be a coincidence, or them just happening to rediscover their science.
Love the Pikmin music in the background lol
most peaceful song ever imo
The giant nox (albaunaric*) women sitting on the thrones was an attempt of creating a god. Not sure if this was one of the reasons why the Nox were banished, or if these attempts were done afterwards.
Either way, the GW doesn't appreciate opposing threats challenging their/QueenMarika's version of the Elden Ring's Law&Order.
Maybe the dragonkin soldiers used to be trolls. They both have hollowed abdomens, and they both have the almost root/branch like hair thing.
i noticed this aswell its missing the box fan but it looks very similar. maybe they used a troll torso to make the dragonkins body
If you knock the rider off the ant its eyes stop glowing and will attack the rider
this is true, i think i mentioned this, although i may have forgot il; have to rewatch
@@TheHonoredMadman what doesn't make sense to me is if they use magic to control them why does knocking them off suddenly stop the magic lol
Another banger my guy.
Am I alone in seeing the Phalanx(DeS) in Silver Tears?
The Husk is the shield from them. They throw their spear, they stab with it.
new upload, let's go!
Ranni wants to create an age not reliant on grace by riding herself of her (godly) flesh a d becoming artificial (a doll), while the Nox are trying to make a new lord by taking artificial silver tears and turning them into flesh like being.
There's the Pocket-Crater near where the star falls after Radhan. Maybe a fragment that landed earlier or maybe it slipped through the cracks. Theres an Alibaster lord and maybe a key. Could be related to what's haplenong, not a lot to go on.
it says in multiple descriptions that they wait for their lord if the night, i just assumed the tears were them taking their fate into their own hands and making a lord instead of waiting around. similar to what gowry is doing with the rot god and scarlet valkyrie
This dude makes good shit.
Love your videos man. Just wanted to give you a heads up your game play audio drowns out a lot of your outro. You can still hear it but it's a little bit difficult
shit i couldve swore i muted it too, but damn im glad its just the outro
You think theres a connection between the silver/mimic tears and the albinaurics... update I mentioned this while listening and you mentioned it hahah. Nice theories dude
wonder if night maidens are akin to finger maidens; only they are the maidens of the stars/dark moon rather than the fingers. hence their higher social status
Hell yeah my favorite mad lore man
If you do Rannis ending you become the Lord of the Darkmoon
and ranni essentially becomes the dark moons Marika
night man aaah
I think a mimic tear is just 1 kind/or a sub-species of, a silver tear.
theres atleast one other one in the consecrated snowfield. but i agree i think its a subspecies of silver tear
Apparently it’s pronounced shoifa, Irish apparently, 0:31
I didn't know that but I'm definitely pronouncing it that way from now on its so fun to say
So what about the black knife assassin's? they were supposed to be nox women, or was it numen women from the eternal cities? If the latter then maybe the numen were the original inhabitants of the eternal cities who were wiped out by astel, and the nox only occupied the ruins after their exile underground. Anyway, if the black knives opposed the golden oder, why do they go after Ranni and her followers? I never understood that.
Bewitching Branch is the same color
In deeproot depths ther is a site of grace that is called The Nameless Eternal City, and the place has ruins of the eternal cities arquitecture, but it doesn´t have a fake sky like the other cities, and the astel naturalborn of the void arena has the same fake sky of the etenal cities. So it is posible that the eternal city astel destroyed is that one.
yeah i was talking to another commenter that pointed that out and it certainly adds up. its a good theory, i only didnt mention it because there was no nox there but maybe theres significance to that. i still think its possible that them having their sky stolen refers to them being forced undergorund after their cities were buried. but its something im definitely researching
@@TheHonoredMadman Also i thonk that is intresting that the city is located near the roots of the erdtree so it maust have been built befor the erdtree or when the erdtree was small / (the crucible).
Why do all the ghosts have tons of little mushrooms growing around and on them?
i know right its weird as shit
Am ripping man
Ranni = RAHN-ee. Cmon man they say it 1.4million times in the game.
aint this like a tomato tomato thing? or like an accent thing? i mean gordan ramsey says pass-ta instead of pasta
@@TheHonoredMadman i want you to know 2 things. 1 i got like 15 words into a reply. Which means 2. Well done.
Lol I genuinely just thought it was because they were all English accents that say it in game lol but it reminded of a joke conan made about Gordon ramsay
@@TheHonoredMadman so the d twins stay separate from one another because twins are considered a bad omen. They both work towards the same end, to where little d ended up underground and incapacitated by inaction and doubt when we find him. His brothers death motivates him, but he is still disenfranchised and leaves again.
The misbegotten are george martin putting in more bastards and incest, hence the red hair. Thats why the redheaded ones have legendary armaments, particularly the golden order greatsword radagon reforged. Keep up the hard work friend
I’ve never seen that dead Albinauric woman in raya Lucaria academy gate town. Where is that?
im gonna double check but i know its near the school
@@TheHonoredMadman I combed the area but I’m also hopelessly blonde so, you know… but anyway I haven’t found her. She has loot upon her corpse?! Gimmie!
It's just a remedy crystal bud but I've been going back over the area a bunch of times and can't find it again either but I'll check again because the whole way I found it in the first place was that I remembered finding it my first playthroigh but couldn't remember the item so I scoured the place and found it again but my dumb ass ddidnt mark it unfortunately
@@TheHonoredMadman I know this feel and scenario. I guess it means I tri care game design, right? 😄
Did you have a persona/character design for yourself? I might want to doodle you some time.
shit that would be cool i like mainly jus use omenkiller mask with vulger militia fit
@@TheHonoredMadman Your "Three women inside me" comment killed me and inspired me. :P
24:20 Yeah, considering both works deal with the themes of colonialism, exiles, subjugation of different classes/races and creating artificial beings for slave labor. I'd say your compassion is on point.
Siofra is actually pronounced "She-fra." I can't remember if it's Welsh or Irish.
Also, where did you find in game that says the Nox are cold-blooded? Not that I don't believe you, I just don't remember seeing anything about it.
And finally, I think it more plausible that the D brothers joined the ranks of the Golden Order AFTER being ostracized by everyone, everywhere else.
theres nothing that backs my theory about the other D ebing a mimic tear it was just a goofy theory of mine. but the nox are referred to as cold blooded in the swordstress and mightmaiden puppet. and yeah i learned the pronouciation yesterday and im gonna say it like that from now on because its so fun to say lol
I have a theory that the Nox were created by the albinaurics, curious on your take
i think the nox created the albinaurics
@@TheHonoredMadman I think it's the other way around. I mean, according to that rock near the start of the game it would really make sense lol
Scions pronounced "sigh-ons" and not "sky-ons"
boom thanks
@@TheHonoredMadman
The Nox look like Marika, or at least how she is at the end of the game - crumbling and grey. Because of this, I'm positive Marika isn't actually "human," but another being made out of the Silver Tears. An albinauric, in other words, which also explains how she and Radagon and then reunited - that Mimic Tear quest that was cut further emphasizes this with the way the mimic goes inside our bodies; I imagine the process is similar for Radagon and Marika.
Which, on that note, perhaps Radagon was a curse of the Fell God or an aspect of his flame, considering Marika's alleged defeat likely not being as the legends say, and the way Radagon hates his red hair. The initial split and Radagon's birth were a result of Marika being afflicted with the Fell God's flame, sort of like the Flame of Frenzy, is my theory
But yeah, now I'm convinced Marika was created. She had no say in being "the Eternal" who is enslaved to the Greater Will.
And relevant but irrelevant, the Godskins seem to be made of silver tears as well. They bleed white I believe, are said to be created, and predated Marika in being the masters of Destined Death. They are probably affiliated with the Eternal Cities. Makes me wonder if there's a connection between them and "ghostflame," since that and the black flame seem to act very similarly and were used for the same purpose in their respective cultures (this crucible predation, before the age of the erdtree). I know ghostflame is more greenish-blueish but it looks so much like those blue flames always burning in the Eternal Cities
Man, I wanna believe I'm right here! The lore for this game is so interconnected and cool, in a way I feel the Fromsoft games weren't before. Their nations and areas always felt more akin to pockets of stories than an interconnected world when compared to Elden Ring's
im gonna make a video to catalog what stuff bleeds white and silver
@@TheHonoredMadman yeah, that'd be good to have lol
Ranni uses everyone. She's just as awful as the rest. She uses and discards them.
Scion = Sigh-on
Not “sky-on”
Otherwise great video, just had to be a pedant and point that out 😉
Ok so I’m not saying you’re wrong but how do you know the big skeletons are women? I never encountered any lore related to them.
shit you got me there. i think my thought process was based on the nox being female dominant, the big albinauric lady i mentioned right after also may have affected my mind to assume the big skeletons were women and the fact face wise they looked a bit like the finger reader crones, but youre right theres nothing that confirms them to be women
@@TheHonoredMadman if I’m being honest though, there’s no reason to think they’re men either. I just assumed they were dudes based on my own bias. I was hoping you found some lore I missed. Good shit though. I like these more obscure parts of the game. There’s a million videos about mohg and the golden lineage. Something I don’t see too many soulstubers talking about is the influence of Irish mythology. There’s a few clues to indicate it may be a heavier influence than initially thought.
@@Chef_Jimi3 being honest, I also just instantly assumed it was a lady skeleton. I can't really explain why, but lady skeleton is definitely the vibe it gave off
@@themissionary58 we’ll all have to keep an eye out for lore regarding those people. I’ve never seen them mentioned anywhere but maybe there’s something.
sigh ons not sky ons bro (scion)
Its pronounced "sigh-on".
i think its the american in me that just pronounces everything wrong
@@TheHonoredMadman I'm also American. Great video btw. You're gonna make me tired for work tomorrow lmao.
Haha thanks man I appreciate it
its pronounced "sheef-ra"
9rdst!
Astel destroyed the Nameless Eternal City, which is why it doesn't have stars.
i agree its possible but its not really stated anywhere. but it would explain the sky in his arena.