A COMPLETE hi-fi system for €1000? Oh YES!
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Camera: John Darko | Editor: John Darko | 2nd editor: Jana Dagdagan
A complete hi-fi system that streams and spins vinyl for less than one thousand Euros? You betcha!
Pioneer PLX-500 (€300):
www.pioneerdj.com/de-de/produ...
Ortofon 2M Red (€100):
www.ortofon.com/ortofon-2m-re...
Allo Boss Player (€120):
www.allo.com/sparky/boss-play...
Adam Audio T5V (€340/pair):
www.adam-audio.com/en/t-serie...
Schiit Sys (€80):
www.schiit.com/products/sys
TOTAL: €940
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Steve Guttenberg's US$1250 hi-fi system/s:
• Believe it: $1,250 (or...
Caleb Denison's US$1000 audiophile bookshelf system:
• Build this $1000 Audio...
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Rancilio SILVIA espresso machine:
www.ranciliogroup.com/1-Ranci...
Graef CM 800 coffee grinder:
www.coffeecircle.com/de/p/gra...
Solde Kaffebar, Malmø:
www.solde.se/en/
Reckon you can build a €1000 system that plays vinyl and streams digital audio? Let us know in the comments below, remembering to provide manufacturer links and pricing for all components.
No second hand or vintage suggestions. Why not? Supply/availability varies from country to country. As does price. As does warranty coverage.
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Reckon you can build a €1000 system that plays vinyl and streams digital audio? Let us know in the comments below, remembering to provide manufacturer links and pricing for all components.
No second hand or vintage suggestions. Why not? Supply/availability varies from country to country. As does price. As does warranty coverage.
Is the pioneer turntable really comparable to something like rega p1
@@amb3cog Which turntable for $250 and with which 'decent cart'?
@@maxb.simonsen2459 Yes. Especially when both ship with very basic cartridges. The arm on the Rega is probably better than that on the Pioneer but the Planar 1 sells for €380 and we still need a phono stage for it.
Hello John,
Thanks for the video and the concept. I was wondering if increasing the simplicity of this system with a Yamaha musicast Vinyl 500 (Vinyl + streamer in one box for +-560€) would be a good idea. I haven't tested this turntable yet.
Very nicely done...
It would be great to see some other budgets (500, 1500 and 2000). Thanks for this kind of videos, they are really helpful!
I am not John Darko but just bought a set up for about 2.000€:
Turntable: Rega Planar 3 with Elys 2 (~950€)
Amplifier: Yamaha A-S 701 (~480€)
Speakers: Nubert nubox 383 (~440€/pair)
Preamp(for ripping Vinyl): Rega Fono mini A2D (~120€)
Total: 1.990€
@@SnoopySenpai yes.. the Yamaha 701 is my current amplifier, hooked to BW CM1 and Sansui turntable. Superb sound.
I have a set up that was only 315$ us up and running.😬😬😬👌🏽
@@herberteddington8266 That's about how much I spent putting mine together, and it includes reel to reel, record, CD, tape, and 8 track players. I'm sure its subpar tone would rupture this man's highly sensitive eardrums.
2:57 For Germans, 12 kites is the second highest you can be, surpassed only by 99 luftballons.
That, my friend, is comment of the year. 👏🏻
... ah you have to be a ... uh, certain age to really understand this. Not that *I* am ....
I love the simplify of the recommendation, and the entertaining value of the video. just a great video, can't wait for the next one.
It's seems to me the best way to keep on the "budget" side of things is to stay away from vinyl altogether. Not only does it add a lot of component costs, but with records costing $20 -25 new... There goes the budget.
In Australia records cost $30++. I buy 2nd hand CD's, poor man's vinyl, $5-10 each.
With vinyl, you can explore the used market! I have a record store here in the UK selling 1000s of used records under £5. Also charity shops sell used records for dirt cheap
For me it's an investment and it gives the artists I support more money. My collection is worth over 2k. And just keeps going up. And I didn't even have a working turntable lol I have a lot of CDs as well. But I hunt for vinyl or preorder new records which is a better deal, and most are guaranteed to go up in cost. If I take care of them they will last, and be cool to pass down to my kids. I also have Spotify I use on the go, and CDs for road trips. But nothing beats vinyl for me. Color variants and just everything you get with it makes it king for me. It is more expensive but it supports the artists. Spotify doesn't pay diddly squat and the amount of records I would buy a year makes it worth it all for me.
Agreed, I never got into vinyl so I'm not going to go and spend money getting vinyl copies of music I already own. Instead I'll spend the money on a better streamer.
You can't have all. I would also start without a turntable. It allow's one to buy better speakers.
Great videos!!! You’re an inspiration to many budget conscious audiophiles like myself. Keep up the good work John!👍
I like the good practical approach, great article. The use of the Schiit preamp to integrate the system is excellent.
Great video.. Please make more of these types of videos, it's so refreshing to have some kind of guidence in this over populated market of budget audio and finding what's good. Love your attitude towards audio gear, keep up the great looking video productions. Your the MAN!!!
Great video! I love your approach getting the most out of each carefully considered component.
More low-end stuff please! We all aspire to the dreamy $x,000 stuff, but I'm guessing that's a niche market in TRW.
I really like that you suggest components / a setup that one would not normally consider / be aware of. Thumbs up for that, too. BR, Per - Denmark
SMSL P1+Allo Boss Player/Marantz CD5005 - Schiit Sys - Schiit Loki - Marantz NR1607 Receiver - Emotiva BasX A100 - Klipsch R-600P Floorstanders - Generic overhead speakers (for Dolby Atmos) - Generic Rear Bipole speakers (for Surround Sound Movies but also Multichannel Stereo Music)
Total cost £1700.
But I also boast: the BasX to power any headphone on the planet handsomely (namely in this instance Audeze LCD2 and 600 Ohm AKG Sextettes)
Four band analogue tone control (the Loki) which is so much more fun than digital!
Dual linear power supply for the Pi and Boss DAC!
Full surround sound or just stereo preamp volume control at touch of a button! (Sorry to make it seem complex but it's just so worth getting to learn because you're so well set then for home cinema as well as a whole world of audiophilia).
I'm glad I'm finding these videos on budget friendly audio systems as I'm more of a minimalist, so I'd want something that I can combine into using as my computer speakers, as well as a music listening system.
Very creative choice. Love it! I would have never thought to go down this path.
I really appreciate it, that you included a TURNTABLE ! Great video! Oli
This is great and it’s refreshing that you and Steve Guttenberg are taking this on. This is an under served and underrated part of the Audio industry and if we don’t serve it, it will hurt the industry as a whole keeping beginners who need to get in and replace the older folks out. There are starting to be more channels also willing to take this on and I hope the manufacturer are listening. The used market is also an excellent place to start that will keep cost down, which is where I started and continue to use, which allows great components at affordable prices.
I think it takes quite a bit of experience to take on this kind of video and Steve has way more than I. Listen to him more than me.
Always great to hear your perspective and I got a kick of out seeing your coffee setup - my worlds just collided! I like the concept of merging analogue with digital, but my suggestion would be two more videos: analogue only for 1000 and digital for 1000. I'd read that as the next level for both paths given the savings from the other medium not being present. Keep these up, fantastic work!
John, you’re the best. This was excellent...and thanks to your review (way back) of the Allo Digione, I ended up with a front end that gave me the option for some excellent components to assemble a comparably high quality system for comparably very little $$ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thanks, John. More videos on budget/entry level components, please :)
Great work. These sort of videos really do help.
Great video. Would love to see more. I vote for a $500 version as that space has become pretty interesting with affordable yet high quality Chinese amplifiers and DACs.
Was thinking of commenting but hey, you seem to be covered! Thanks for your down-to-earth-ness John, much enjoyed and will keep watching!
Adam' audio T5V's are awesome! have these for my PC setup.
Yeah, Steve Guttenberg recently started a series of videos of different systems at various price points. It's among his most useful work (in my opinion). This was very good. Although I do not live in Europe, it is interesting to hear about what can be had there for little money. Well done, John!
You’re so awesome John. I really appreciate the the work you and your team, shoutout to Olaf, puts together! I really enjoyed your insight.
Much appreciated!
great work - would love to see more system recommendations for the higher price points, thank you
Great, clear and concise - thanks
I'm in the midst of building my first rig. Got a pair of klipsch r41m's that I'm not thrilled with and now I'm well down the rabbit hole of trying to build out a whole system. Thanks for this starters guide!
Encouraging for many of us. Sure, there may be many components that can fit the budget, but we get to learn here of particular parts we're likely not aware of. Ones that make a good 'starter' OR a keeper-system till investment savings accumulate. May I add, turntables are essential for enjoying collections, a library and the quality that a needle and groove make particularly exceptional. Thanks, John
A really great video, so useful for people who need a bit of advice in a very confusing sector. 🙂👍
I like the way you think out side the box, literally
Great video! My friend got into hifi and bought the Adam last months - great value.
Hope your next upgrade will be your coffee machine :~)
Keep rocking!
Thank you Darko
Please continue with lower and higher price points.
Brilliant review...........thanks.
Wow you just did a walk through of my system :)
Except instead of Schiit Sys, I use Mackie Big Knob Passive.
Hi Milenko!
What kind of cable you used to connect your turntable to big knob? I am bit lost with connections.
I am buying lp120x turntable, which has rca output and on the other end I am planning to buy t5v. And decided on big knob as interface between them.
Love this video!
Killer suggestion of ADAM audio!!
Great video, John. That's why I sold my Totem's, paid my debt and got a Kali Audio paired with my existing NAD 356DAC and that's all I need.
I really appreciate a channel that speaks in €€€ as opposed to $$$ -_-
Great suggested system John, not one I would have come up with but very creative. 👍
Elac b6.2 + yamaha r-n303 is what i use for my desk setup and works pretty well !
I also have a massdrop airist r2r dac and a massdrop liquid carbon x for my headphones, the dac also feeds the amp, and couldn't be happier honestly.
Great video! it is amazing what $1000 can get you.
Just a small recommendation: try to get an iFi iPower 5v low noise switching mode PSU for powering the RPI + DAC; it costs around €50 and is clear improvement over cheap PSUs that come bundled with the RPi.
Excellent episode. 👍
Very useful!!! As someone who is entering this world, having this type of set for a given threshold is a great way of removing part of the info asymmetry we ignorants suffer. And then, once we get the idea of the components, we can play marginally within the set. I bought a pair of Navis ARB-51 with the Discovery, a Technics 1200 MKII, and then I stacked the Modi DAC, the Locki Eq and the Vali Tube preamp from Schiit. I am super happy but would love to explore the next step. Thanks for all the info.
Budget-fi videos rock John, good content.
Honestly the boss player is too complicated for most low end users who just want to plug and play. I have installed several Klipsch active speaker setups instead. People can connect their phones and computers through bluetooth and it has an integrated phono preamp as well. Source selection through the remote. It's even an soundbar killer through optical.
That is a challenge - I remember the £1000 'budget' system from 25 years ago ;-) £300 each for a cd, amp and speakers + cables.
Cool video! This should help alot of people. I'm eyeballing the turntable myself!
I like this IDEA. Please do more !
Informative and it shows thinking with unique ideas.
Big thumbs up for affordable HiFi. Good to see the Pi integrated into this recommendation. Enjoy the coffee (oh, you are).
Why not just get rid of the turntable entirely and have €400 more to put on speakers?
My thoughts exactly. But many like the vinyl experience, can't blame them
I'd say if you're thinking of dedicating that much more for speakers, it's worth to invest in a better player or preamp/amp for that matter, so the budget would ultimately be a bit more split than just 400 to the speakers. A big part of turntables are the experience it adds to listening to music, but more so having a great source, so it would be smart to add to the source in that case.
Speakers such as the small Genelecs..... Oh yeahh....
The speakers are the most important. With the marantz cr611 for 334 euro’s and the lenco 3808 for 175 now you have over 500 left for the speakers. (Kef q150) or secondhand b&w 685 for 200 euro’s. Too Much to choose lol
The whole point of the exercise was to get vinyl in. Not just you, but why does the internet anti vinyl brigade always have to raise its ugly head when turntables are mentioned? Some people can't accept other's preferences or choices. I do think the Pi device is a bit complex for beginners to set up.
Always helpful .
I’ve been thinking about getting into higher end audio for a while. Other folks on you tube really come off as elitist & snobby. You are the first youtuber I’ve found that I don’t feel would laugh at my lack of knowledge.thank you for that.
The internet is full of men all too ready to tell you why something you like is shit.
I love this video of yours please do a more expensive system $2000 and a less-expensive system $500 system
What a great channel and content!!
I completely agree with the recommendation for active speakers. They are a great starting point and save a lot of space especially when Hifi and Desk occupy the same space.
I have a pair of Adam A5x, the pricier cousins of the speakers recommended here, and they have amazing clarity and resolution.
They're hooked up to a NAD C165 preamp, which has a second set of outputs, so if I upgrade my room I could use the A5x for near field at the desk and drive a power amo and passive Hifi Speakers for listening across the room on the couch, all using the same superbly built and linear preamp.
But for now I use the A5x for both roles and they sound great in mid field distance with great stereo stage.
Perfect Sweet Spot is rather small but still sound good anywhere else in the room.
Thanks so much, that Sys is Schiit! 😋
Love your channel 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Great video and content as usual. A video about the lowest you could get a complete system before it actually hurt your ears/principles could be fun.
Nice setup 👍
So many possibilities based on a similar rig such as the Fluance turntable and Vanatoo speakers or Fluance speakers or Kanto speakers.
Never heard Adam speakers... Must give them a try.
Great system put forth here. I like the idea of keeping it simple at this price point as it really is a price point for people that are on the fence about the benefits of investing in an audio system. I wish this had been available when i was working toward setting my own system up but I think I am pretty ecstatic with what I pulled together for a similar pricepoint albeit in canadian Rubles which convert at a rate of approximately 700canadianrubles to 1 euro (sorry currency humour)
TT: Fluance RT-80 (with phono stage) - $250
Streamer: Fiio M11 - $350
Amplifier: DaytonAudio AP150 - $150
Speakers: KEF Q100 - @270 (on clearance)
A few wiring gizmos to adapt the fiio output to RCA - $20
Total: $1040 CAD
Can't fault this system at all to be honest. I have a cap to what i can discern and this system easily surpasses that cap. would i like a TT with a slightly heavier/more robust platter though? yes.
Great video. Thanks.
Yes do more if these system videos!!!!!!!!
Great video John. Thank you.
You referred to a panel four years ago with Steve, coincidentally I just watched it this week and loved it. You were a great moderator by the way 👊🏻
Thanks for watching but the New York panel predates that RMAF seminar.
John Darko Is the NY panel on RUclips? If it is, I would like to watch it too.
Thanks for the recommendation video!
I tried something like this myself recently, but rather than purchasing dedicated streaming, conversion, and preamplification components, I went with a mid-range Marantz A/V receiver. The NR1509 has a phono input, DAC, subwoofer outputs, supports streaming on most popular services through its app, and has WiFi and bluetooth. I believe it sounds a bit better than most of the other do-it-all boxes at its current $399 price. It's last year's model, so it doesn't sell at its $549 MSRP any longer on Amazon. I'm sure none of it's top-notch, but it's all serviceable and sounds pretty good to boot. Just an alternative in case someone prefers a do-it-all box rather than separates, although the separates allow for modular upgrading and when matched up by someone who knows their stuff, as above, probably sound a bit better.
Still, the Marantz receiver with a pair of, say, Emotiva B1s (love that folded ribbon tweeter) and a Dayton Sub 1000 would give you a pretty-good sounding, nearly full-range system (30Hz - 20kHz) with all the streaming and conversion options most folks would need, and you'd come in at $740 ($400 + $230 + $110). Still enough budget left over to tack on a decent little turntable from Fluance or U-Turn if need be, perhaps an RT81 ($210 as of this writing)? That'd bring the total to $950.
The reason I'm going with the Emotiva B1 rather than the ELAC Debut B6.2 is that, while the ELAC can stand on its own two feet better than the Emotiva due largely to it not rolling off significantly until the 50s (Hz) where the Emotiva begins to really roll off around 80Hz, the sub will be picking up the low-end, and I think that in that case, the ELAC loses its primary advantage, and so keeping Emotiva's superior feature, that lovely ribbon tweeter, is the priority for me.
The prices I listed are the going rates for these items as of Sept 2019. The manufacturer links may display higher MSRPs.
Marantz NR1509 ($400) - www.us.marantz.com/us/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?catid=avreceivers&productid=nr1509
Emotiva B1 Bookshelf Speakers ($230/pair) - emotiva.com/products/airmotiv-b1
Dayton Audio Sub 1000 ($110) - www.daytonaudio.com/index.php/sub-1000-10-100-watt-powered-subwoofer.html
Fluance RT81 Turntable ($210) - www.fluance.com/rt81-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-record-player-with-premium-cartridge-diamond-needle
A really nice set of suggestions! Thanks for sharing.
Would love to see more of these videos at both higher and lower price points.
noice, I was just thinking of getting some kef q100 speakers and some smsl amp, but as I live in Europe I'm considering those adam speakers instead, thanks for the tip!
For the benefit of the 36 *misanthropes* who have taken the time out of their busy day to dislike your vid, this is one of very few (from anyone) that I've bothered to give the thumbs up, simply because I think YT is an ad-delivery mechanism for people with very little to say. Kudos for being one of the few who *does* have something to say, and your production values remain first rate.
Really nice and helpful video. Some more budget stuff would be highly appreciated.
Those Adam's are fantastic.
That's cool. The rest of the money can go on the cables. :)
I found my Tannoy reveal 502 amazingly accurate and really musical. Love them.
Great video!
Go higher please! Thanks john!
Well done... even audioholics had a shot at a 1k system...
But I see what you're doing for the community.... get people to the entry level, thinking about what their doing and then grow from there...
I've been spying your vids for awhile now... 👍🏽👍🏽
I'm now subscribed.
I want this man's life. What a slick existence!!
I’d love to see a recommendation for a system built around the KEF LSX
I would love to see a series where you discover on different (lower) price points what people can get!
Also i would focus on listener/user types when setting the rules for the search process...
Like people who only want to stream and 500€ and so., also exploring expandability in terms of sources.
Very helpful thanks
Greatly appreciated the lower end budgets.
Currently looking for something thing to go with a NAD 5120 turntable but have know idea 💡 what to look for.
The one slightly surprising assumption you've made here is that your target audience would own LP's but not CD's. For an established audiophile that might be true. But for someone starting out on their hifi journey I would have thought that they are much more likely to own a few CD's than to have any LP's. And starting an LP collection from scratch (wince! sorry!) would take the budget waaaay over €1,000.
True...and John is literally doing this video with a wall of CDs behind him!
Agreed!
USB CDROM - still fits in the budget
Hmm this is some good info! Thanks John - may be interesting to see what you would recomend if you break it down just to an amp and speakers for $1500 or 2 K considering that streaming an pre amp stuff is so affordable.
Thanks for another brilliant, informative video. If you are inclined, then a similar system put together in the £2k and £3k price limit would be grand. ( please include cables in those price limits). Cheers H.
My setup is similar but instead of the Schiit Sys I am using a Tisbury Mini Passive Preamplifier II - it has TWO outputs as I sometimes want to use headphones. One of the outputs can be set to fixed line-out/tape loop or an additional primary output where the volume knob affects the output. It also has three rather than two inputs like the Sys
John Darko I love this kind of videos. It’s fresh to look at affordable equipments.
I know the active speakers is a simply and very good solution, but it’s a slave investment... I mean that an ampliifier and passive speakers let you free to update the speakers in the future.
I was thinking a lot about this for my desktop gear, and finaly I went for an small amplifier that has also integrated DAC and passive speaker solution... more cables, but more possibilities.
Regards
with most people streaming music from a digital source I would love to see an entry level, mid level and high end set up for digital streaming. this should include DIY due to the availability of quality components available in kit form. The RaPI has opened doors for us. DIY speakers have done the same. It's the other kit that still needs some help.
Than I’m sure there is enough material on the Internet.
I love videos like this! It is difficult for newbies to navigate the world of audio these days, and simple guides that can help to assemble an affordable music system are very needed. I think one of the first hurdles to overcome is to help people understand that a music system is different from a home theatre and that they usually require different approaches, unless you learn to enjoy simple 2 channel audio for movies.
...... did you forget the phono stage, or did I just miss it?
Great Video nice to give the young crowd some suggestions how to start a basic Audio system keep at it I'm sure some of your followers want to see more examples in various price categories.
Great that you visit us here in Sweden. Darko for stadsminister.
Super interesting !
Curious to see other set up like $2000
To me that still sounds pretty fiddly. I'd go for ELAC B6.2 and the PS Audio sprout. Most modern "audiophile-curious" people, in my experience, don't have vinyl collections - they're streaming.
Sure - I take your point. But that wasn't the brief here. The brief was vinyl AND streaming for a grand.
@Scientific Humanist if you have a mediocre table set up horribly, yes.
John Darko the marantz melodie serie Has streaming, internet radio, dab+, bluetooth, cd player, 2x usb. Left about 670 for the TT and the speaker and very easy setup. Sounds fine to me (before Yamaha mx1000 and cx1000 with b&w 803n) now the cheap way haha
Brian, then take this to be a recommended $600 system.
The latest Sprout does look v good. And the Elec Debut are amazing. I prefer the first model, for some reason, sounds sweeter
My current setup came in at 850€. Pro-ject Maia DS (w built in phono pre-amp, D/A converter, bluetooth) bought at 50% off and a pair of Klipsch rp150m bought at 20% off. If I add a small 8” sub for ~150€, I come in at 1000€. I cheated a little bit because I got a really beautiful turntable for free, but I suspect a lot of people can if they just bother asking around a little bit. There are lots of fantastic turntables stored away just collecting dust, so don’t be surprised if you know someone who would sell theirs for a relatively low price.
LOL ... You went to Malmö and lived to tell about it ... brave man, John!
Those active speakers look great. The NP-S303 cd be a good match. Edit.. if one can live with MusicCast
As a complete novice looking to make my first hi-fi system purchase this is a great video; as your friends say, it's the complete lack of knowing where to start that's the killer. I know you need to match speakers and amp, no idea against what "rules", and no idea if you need to do that with the other components too? So more vids like this would be very much appreciated thanks!
$500 system? Talking about miracles out of nowhere, but you did well with $1,100~! Getting a system for $500 is a bit more on the miraculous side. Possible, yes! Probable, that remains to be seen. In the real world where most people live, just living is a difficulty. However, it is fun to have something worth escaping to and from. Good luck John! This seems highly appropriate for a great many more than just a few. Nice coffee machine!
Adam Audio T5V active monitors are Great sounding speakers, l run them with Audiolab M Dac plus as Dac / Preamp
Another great advice John. A hifi shop can't give these kind of suggestions, because they are in business.
Great video