Don't forget most of the vehicle entries drove to the track from locations far n wide , TAS, SA , VIC , NSW, and QLD , then drove home if race car was fit for purpose. Amazing times . Real hero driving.
I met a gentleman today, got on the topic of life, he showed me a few of the cars he used to have. Told me he used to race, even raced with Bob Jane. He was the driver of number 38, that crashed due to a tyre exploding. Such a sweet man, what a pleasure.
@@hcrunit’s when sounds are added film in the studio. Source material could be from sound effect records, field recording on tape, or other sounds manufactured.
Holden asked Scuderia Veloce Team owner David McKay to run a Vauxhall Viva in class A, against a flock of VWs. After testing he agreed and Holden entered six of them. They finished 1 to 6 in Class A. Holden is rumored to have sold lots of Vauxhall Vivas on Monday..
The Cortina GT disc brake advantage played a big part in the Cortina winning three years in a row 63,64 and 65 before a rule change excluded them. Harry Firth recognised this early on and was more recently quoted as saying : " No, this new little car with disc brakes will go just as fast round a track as what a V8 will, and it won't wear itself out. It weighs nothing and you'll never have brake trouble with it" This was the Firth thinking when people thought the Studebaker V8 power and higher speed on the straights would make them sure winners. So yes drum brakes did give lots of problems for the early V8 entries of Studebaker, Dodge Phoenix and the first Valiant V8 models. Heavy cars stressing tyres and wheels a big problem too. Disc brakes and light weight were the not so secret weapons of the Cortina GT and later Mini Cooper S wins. Harry Firth went back to his light car preference later convincing Holden to make and race the Torana GTR XU1 models.
The Cortina GT disc brake advantage played a big part in the Cortina winning three years in a row 63,64 and 65 before a rule change excluded them. Three in a row not matched for many years. Harry Firth recognised this early on when the Cortinas were released and was recently quoted as saying about his choice to a four cylinder car to develop for Bathurst in preference to larger motored heavier cars : " No, this new little car with disc brakes will go just as fast round a track as what a V8 will, and it won't wear itself out. It weighs nothing and you'll never have brake trouble with it" This was the Firth thinking when people thought the Studebaker V8 power and higher speed on the straights would make them sure winners. So yes drum brakes did give lots of problems for the early V8 entries of Studebaker, Dodge Phoenix and the first Valiant V8 models. Heavy cars stressing tyres and wheels a big problem too. Disc brakes and light weight were the not so secret weapons of the Cortina GT and later Mini Cooper S wins. Harry Firth went back to his light car preference later convincing Holden to make and race the Torana GTR XU1 models.
@@jacktattis rule changes in 1966 meant a lot more of the 1965 winning Cortina GT 500 race special versions needed to be made than the 110 made to allow qualification as a production car under the 1965 rules. Ford was not prepared to make a lot more to qualify for the 1966 race. Would need to make, sell and register 250 examples. The near hand built GT 500 race special was costly to build by Ford so 250 of an updated model was far too costly for Ford and they pulled the pin. Ford also had plans to concentrate efforts for the 1967 Falcon GT so as to generate interest in their volume car Falcon range. The rule change had the desired result of excluding race specials disguised as production cars. The Mini Cooper S had no problems meeting the 250 requirements. Normal Cortinas ran in 1966 but were well off the pace of the more organised Mini Cooper S onslaught that took places 1 to 9 in 1966. Hard to see that happening again but this season Ford are not happy that the Mustang is not making parity with the Camaro and may withdraw in future leading to an all Camaro race.
main reasons are Aussies didn't want to pay tariffs on imported cars to subsidise Aussie made cars, and imported cars were so much better in virtually every way that Aussies preferred to buy them.... we could never afford the research and development of manufacturers that had massive markets anyway..... but they could've retained a required assembly in Australia and tariffed fully imported.... bit late now even with electric.
George said the 5 bearing crankshaft in the 1500 Cortina really made a difference to the longevity of the engine which makes sense. I worked for George for a few years.
It was a shame the Barry seaton co driver was not mentioned his name was herb Taylor he’s my neighbour today and he’s 88 I believe he tells me the story of Harry firth being a dobber and going to the stewards over their car running 145 perelli tyres and the rest had 155 Dunlop and they were originally disqualified but reinstated after appeals and proving the tyre was the same just a different brand he tells me he’s a great old fellow and I love hearing him tell me of the history of Liverpool nsw and his life experiences of a more elegant time
@@nickraschke4737 Rubbish! The removal of tariffs plus the cost of labour killed car assembly and manufacture in Australia. If you can make something in Asia for less than it costs in Australia then goodbye manufacturing.
All that and not a radial tyre in sight. I'm surprised the VWs didn't have the same handling weight distribution problems those Hillman Imps were having. Driving fast on crossply tyres was an art form in itself.
A Shannon's article on the S4 EH Holden states about tyres in the 1963 race : Bathurst race rules mercifully allowed the use of radials. The Michelin X and Pirelli Cinturato were popular choices, along with Dunlop’s B7 and Goodyear’s Blue Streak. So no rule to stick with the crossplys that came with the standard car. A few French cars also had Michelin X tyres as standard. They had to stick with standard drum brakes if they came with the car and that was a big downfall of larger cars in the early years.
Yes, George Reynolds deserved more credit for the Bathurst win also, being a skilled driver. He (who I worked for over a few years) said the 1500 engine in the Cortina with the 5 bearing crankshaft made a strong reliable engine. Still racing them today (historically).
At 12:01 four times Australian Grand Prix winner Lex Davison having problems with his expensive but off the pace locally assembled Triumph 2000 six. His grandsons Will and Alex Davison would much later race in the Bathurst 1000. With Will Davison being part of the winning team in 2009 and 2016. Might even see a Davison team pairing win this year. Unfortunately Lex Davison killed soon after racing open wheel cars at Sandown.
The Cortina GT disc brake advantage played a big part in the Cortina winning three years in a row 63,64 and 65 before a rule change excluded them. Harry Firth recognised this early on and was recently quoted as saying : " No, this new little car with disc brakes will go just as fast round a track as what a V8 will, and it won't wear itself out. It weighs nothing and you'll never have brake trouble with it" This was the Firth thinking when people thought the Studebaker V8 power and higher speed on the straights would make them sure winners. So yes drum brakes did give lots of problems for the early V8 entries of Studebaker, Dodge Phoenix and the first Valiant V8 models. Heavy cars stressing tyres and wheels a big problem too. Disc brakes and light weight were the not so secret weapons of the Cortina GT and later Mini Cooper S wins. Harry Firth went back to his light car preference later convincing Holden to make and race the Torana GTR XU1 models.
This footage is amazing, talk about fly by the seat of your pants. We can blame successive governments for the demise of the Australian auto industry for removing tariffs on imported cars and Ford and General Motors in Detroit. None of the cars at Bathurst now are cars that you can drive on the road now they are all so modified.................
This was the era of real skill totally standard cars and that was double checked at the end, it was simply down the the overall ability of the carto last the distance and the driver
Those were the days. Citroens racing at Bathurst! Unheard of. I see it was a sedan. Something like a DS. By bloody jingoes they're ugly. At least the cortinas had style and appeal. Studes had style too. EH Holdens did well. This was long before my time. What year did norm Beechey first race at Bathurst?
I though it was quite late before Norm drove production cars in the enduro. Might be just once with a Charger. However he drove lots of improved production cars in shorter races. Edit Pacer in 1970 and Charger 1971. Both not near winning. Phillip Island Armstrong enduro he drove a Vanguard, Renault Gordini and Citroen ID19 , despite how you thought they were ugly. Not winning cars though
@@johnd8892 bloody vanguards aye. I've seen some photos of vanguards and at least they have some sort of simple styling to them. Some Renault's had good looks depending on the model and what era they were from. I'm personally not a real fan of some of those older french cars. Don't mind the British cars. To be perfectly honest, when was the last time anyone ever saw a vanguard getting around lately? I've never really seen one in real life. I have seen a Renault dauphine in real life but not up close though. Most of these types of cars are virtually extinct. Some of those Citroen's were butt ugly such as that of the DS and DM models. Those particular cars had complicated styling in particular areas and also the design and engineering were a little complicated. For example, apparently if you needed to change a rear tyre, you pretty much had to remove the rear quarter guard in order to do so. However that wasn't a difficult task to do itself but it was just another unwanted complexity. I'd imagine too that they were rust prone.
@@BlairSauer Victorian registered 1960 Vanguard and not on historic plates : ruclips.net/video/cwdzVjkyQ2E/видео.html Maybe around Heidelberg West near where they assembled Citroen, Renault and Studebakers. Not that I have seen it recently, but not just for events
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Don't forget most of the vehicle entries drove to the track from locations far n wide , TAS, SA , VIC , NSW, and QLD , then drove home if race car was fit for purpose. Amazing times . Real hero driving.
I met a gentleman today, got on the topic of life, he showed me a few of the cars he used to have. Told me he used to race, even raced with Bob Jane. He was the driver of number 38, that crashed due to a tyre exploding. Such a sweet man, what a pleasure.
I was there because I lived there.I was 11 yrs old
Now this is what Motorsport is about
Geez the guys in the foley department had an absolute field day adding the tyre screeches...even when traveling in a straight line
What's the "foley department"? Any relation to Brian Foley?
@@hcrunit’s when sounds are added film in the studio. Source material could be from sound effect records, field recording on tape, or other sounds manufactured.
Those were the days! When you could race the same car you drove to work!
The days when I loved watching Bathurst. My last year of school then. The next year I owned a Mini. All so boring now.
Holden asked Scuderia Veloce Team owner David McKay to run a Vauxhall Viva in class A, against a flock of VWs. After testing he agreed and Holden entered six of them. They finished 1 to 6 in Class A. Holden is rumored to have sold lots of Vauxhall Vivas on Monday..
true production car racing.... always worth watching coz lots could happen.
Bob Jane wearing a race harness to drive the truck after wearing a lap sash to race!!
I noticed that too, I'm surprised that anyone knew what 5 point harnesses were in Australia in 1964.
Bloody dangerous on the road, can't trust no bugger to know what they are doing☺
The Cortina GT disc brake advantage played a big part in the Cortina winning three years in a row 63,64 and 65 before a rule change excluded them.
Harry Firth recognised this early on and was more recently quoted as saying :
" No, this new little car with disc brakes will go just as fast round a track as what a V8 will, and it won't wear itself out. It weighs nothing and you'll never have brake trouble with it"
This was the Firth thinking when people thought the Studebaker V8 power and higher speed on the straights would make them sure winners. So yes drum brakes did give lots of problems for the early V8 entries of Studebaker, Dodge Phoenix and the first Valiant V8 models. Heavy cars stressing tyres and wheels a big problem too.
Disc brakes and light weight were the not so secret weapons of the Cortina GT and later Mini Cooper S wins.
Harry Firth went back to his light car preference later convincing Holden to make and race the Torana GTR XU1 models.
The Cortina GT disc brake advantage played a big part in the Cortina winning three years in a row 63,64 and 65 before a rule change excluded them. Three in a row not matched for many years.
Harry Firth recognised this early on when the Cortinas were released and was recently quoted as saying about his choice to a four cylinder car to develop for Bathurst in preference to larger motored heavier cars :
" No, this new little car with disc brakes will go just as fast round a track as what a V8 will, and it won't wear itself out. It weighs nothing and you'll never have brake trouble with it"
This was the Firth thinking when people thought the Studebaker V8 power and higher speed on the straights would make them sure winners. So yes drum brakes did give lots of problems for the early V8 entries of Studebaker, Dodge Phoenix and the first Valiant V8 models. Heavy cars stressing tyres and wheels a big problem too.
Disc brakes and light weight were the not so secret weapons of the Cortina GT and later Mini Cooper S wins.
Harry Firth went back to his light car preference later convincing Holden to make and race the Torana GTR XU1 models.
Why was the Cortina excluded?
@@jacktattis rule changes in 1966 meant a lot more of the 1965 winning Cortina GT 500 race special versions needed to be made than the 110 made to allow qualification as a production car under the 1965 rules. Ford was not prepared to make a lot more to qualify for the 1966 race. Would need to make, sell and register 250 examples. The near hand built GT 500 race special was costly to build by Ford so 250 of an updated model was far too costly for Ford and they pulled the pin. Ford also had plans to concentrate efforts for the 1967 Falcon GT so as to generate interest in their volume car Falcon range.
The rule change had the desired result of excluding race specials disguised as production cars.
The Mini Cooper S had no problems meeting the 250 requirements.
Normal Cortinas ran in 1966 but were well off the pace of the more organised Mini Cooper S onslaught that took places 1 to 9 in 1966. Hard to see that happening again but this season Ford are not happy that the Mustang is not making parity with the Camaro and may withdraw in future leading to an all Camaro race.
@@johnd8892 Lets go all out and allow the Nissan GT to race again or Merc or Audi it is too boring now Mustang and Camaro American crap.
Being a 2 door helped too .
I can't get over the roll on the cars
This how Bathurst should be today
"16 different models either made or assembled in Australia", with a population of about 9 or 10 million. Where and when did we go wrong?
Ask the wingnut.
Many reasons, probably beginning with the "button plan"
main reasons are Aussies didn't want to pay tariffs on imported cars to subsidise Aussie made cars, and imported cars were so much better in virtually every way that Aussies preferred to buy them.... we could never afford the research and development of manufacturers that had massive markets anyway..... but they could've retained a required assembly in Australia and tariffed fully imported.... bit late now even with electric.
@@peterpiper831 Button plan was good but it needed constant tuning and an eagle eye on Holden and Ford. Succesive governments just sat on their hands.
No God in there lives that's where they went wrong
My father, George Reynolds, co-drove with Bob Jane, to win in the 1964 race
George said the 5 bearing crankshaft in the 1500 Cortina really made a difference to the longevity of the engine which makes sense. I worked for George for a few years.
It was a shame the Barry seaton co driver was not mentioned his name was herb Taylor he’s my neighbour today and he’s 88 I believe he tells me the story of Harry firth being a dobber and going to the stewards over their car running 145 perelli tyres and the rest had 155 Dunlop and they were originally disqualified but reinstated after appeals and proving the tyre was the same just a different brand he tells me he’s a great old fellow and I love hearing him tell me of the history of Liverpool nsw and his life experiences of a more elegant time
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Scary cars to be racing!!
Thanks for the upload .. way before my time but it sure is amazing to watch..
Its nice that the names are still the same alot of places change over 60yrs
All those brands made in Australia. Now we have none. The great race it was then now a boring race.
Made or assembled.
Abbott set out to stop the boats..stopped the cars instead. You get what you vote for.
Peter Piper half and half. They had to have a percentage of Aus made parts. Kept a lot of people in work. Worth reading up on.
@@nickraschke4737 Rubbish! The removal of tariffs plus the cost of labour killed car assembly and manufacture in Australia.
If you can make something in Asia for less than it costs in Australia then goodbye manufacturing.
@@hcrun no country has an unsubsidised car industry. Abbott was and is a fool.
Proper!!
What we went on to term, 'Series Production. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday
@chris easly The cars racing in the old movie were not made in the United States. The quote about selling probably originated in America.
All it is today is computers on wheels.
I love it.
All that and not a radial tyre in sight. I'm surprised the VWs didn't have the same handling weight distribution problems those Hillman Imps were having. Driving fast on crossply tyres was an art form in itself.
A Shannon's article on the S4 EH Holden states about tyres in the 1963 race :
Bathurst race rules mercifully allowed the use of radials. The Michelin X and Pirelli Cinturato were popular choices, along with Dunlop’s B7 and Goodyear’s Blue Streak.
So no rule to stick with the crossplys that came with the standard car.
A few French cars also had Michelin X tyres as standard.
They had to stick with standard drum brakes if they came with the car and that was a big downfall of larger cars in the early years.
Yes, George Reynolds deserved more credit for the Bathurst win also, being a skilled driver. He (who I worked for over a few years) said the 1500 engine in the Cortina with the 5 bearing crankshaft made a strong reliable engine. Still racing them today (historically).
At 12:01 four times Australian Grand Prix winner Lex Davison having problems with his expensive but off the pace locally assembled Triumph 2000 six.
His grandsons Will and Alex Davison would much later race in the Bathurst 1000. With Will Davison being part of the winning team in 2009 and 2016.
Might even see a Davison team pairing win this year.
Unfortunately Lex Davison killed soon after racing open wheel cars at Sandown.
His seems to run out of cans, we'll leave and go down to merry's corner. 😂
...and Bob drives himself home, and the winning car.
Panorama was ORIGINALLY designed as a road circuit to replace the old ‘Vale’ circuit. The races track was for MOTOR CYCLES NOT CARS!
Now the circuit is only for cars...too dangerous for bikes and sidecars.
Scrutinizing was pretty full on back then, checking jet sizes.
That was in the days of Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday!
John, Australia.
The scrutineer wearing a tie !
They did this with drum brakes with no cooling. I'll wager many a short was soiled when fade set in at the conclusion of con rod straight.
The Cortina GT disc brake advantage played a big part in the Cortina winning three years in a row 63,64 and 65 before a rule change excluded them.
Harry Firth recognised this early on and was recently quoted as saying :
" No, this new little car with disc brakes will go just as fast round a track as what a V8 will, and it won't wear itself out. It weighs nothing and you'll never have brake trouble with it"
This was the Firth thinking when people thought the Studebaker V8 power and higher speed on the straights would make them sure winners. So yes drum brakes did give lots of problems for the early V8 entries of Studebaker, Dodge Phoenix and the first Valiant V8 models. Heavy cars stressing tyres and wheels a big problem too.
Disc brakes and light weight were the not so secret weapons of the Cortina GT and later Mini Cooper S wins.
Harry Firth went back to his light car preference later convincing Holden to make and race the Torana GTR XU1 models.
Studiebakers were very fast but with drum brakes most ended up down In William st Bathurst after about 4 laps
Just couldn’t stop em
This footage is amazing, talk about fly by the seat of your pants. We can blame successive governments for the demise of the Australian auto industry for removing tariffs on imported cars and Ford and General Motors in Detroit. None of the cars at Bathurst now are cars that you can drive on the road now they are all so modified.................
This was the era of real skill totally standard cars and that was double checked at the end, it was simply down the the overall ability of the carto last the distance and the driver
True production cars racing. Bit hairy on the corner at the end of Conrod. All the corners come to that.
' Two miles per minute down Conrod Straight ' . That's traveling .
120 mph. 193 kph.
I lost interest in Bathurst when the competing cars had to remove number plates to race :-(
What about the red Citroen at the finish because i don't understand...
Those were the days. Citroens racing at Bathurst! Unheard of. I see it was a sedan. Something like a DS. By bloody jingoes they're ugly. At least the cortinas had style and appeal. Studes had style too. EH Holdens did well. This was long before my time. What year did norm Beechey first race at Bathurst?
I though it was quite late before Norm drove production cars in the enduro. Might be just once with a Charger.
However he drove lots of improved production cars in shorter races.
Edit Pacer in 1970 and Charger 1971. Both not near winning.
Phillip Island Armstrong enduro he drove a Vanguard, Renault Gordini and Citroen ID19 , despite how you thought they were ugly. Not winning cars though
@@johnd8892 bloody vanguards aye. I've seen some photos of vanguards and at least they have some sort of simple styling to them. Some Renault's had good looks depending on the model and what era they were from. I'm personally not a real fan of some of those older french cars. Don't mind the British cars. To be perfectly honest, when was the last time anyone ever saw a vanguard getting around lately? I've never really seen one in real life. I have seen a Renault dauphine in real life but not up close though. Most of these types of cars are virtually extinct. Some of those Citroen's were butt ugly such as that of the DS and DM models. Those particular cars had complicated styling in particular areas and also the design and engineering were a little complicated. For example, apparently if you needed to change a rear tyre, you pretty much had to remove the rear quarter guard in order to do so. However that wasn't a difficult task to do itself but it was just another unwanted complexity. I'd imagine too that they were rust prone.
@@BlairSauer Victorian registered 1960 Vanguard and not on historic plates :
ruclips.net/video/cwdzVjkyQ2E/видео.html
Maybe around Heidelberg West near where they assembled Citroen, Renault and Studebakers.
Not that I have seen it recently, but not just for events
@@johnd8892 yeah righto, fair enough. I'll check that video link out when I get a chance.
It will be another frigin yank event from next year with mustangs and comaro taking over, it’s already a boring event
No v8s
Two Studebaker Larks (V8) competed.
Pre global warming.
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