The Verdict: Twitch vs YouTube from a VTuber's Perspective
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Captions and timestamps will be updated at a later date, I just wanted to get the video out to you guys ASAP!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:43 Sponsor?
1:12 Disclaimers
1:48 Small Streamers
1:59 Status
2:14 Discovery
2:43 Streamer UI
4:14 Consumer UI
5:21 Community
6:12 Stream Features
7:48 VOD Features
8:35 TOS and Enforcement (rant)
12:39 Monetization
13:45 Clippers
14:02 Small Streamer Overview (screenshot)
14:08 Medium streamer overview
17:18 Large streamer overview
Credits: pastebin.com/iLbEscRU 
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Tbh I don't mind having a bunch of streams in my notifications. I'd rather know if creators I like are streaming and decide whether or not to watch based on the title&thumbnail than miss it altogether. And I do prefer having it all on RUclips, as I really don't use Twitch at all except on very rare occasions.
Good to know, thank you Bolero!
@@YamAlbat Bolero has the right of it Yam. As a YT content creator on YT, I myself am pretty much nixed out of getting twitch notifications half of the time bc chrome or edge is a pain as is and it's hard to get away from home base to watch on twitch or other platforms be it you or others. If you were on YT full time, I cannot say what the future would hold, but I would most definitely watch more of your content!
I’m so glad you made this video!! As a aspiring vtuber this is the question I’ve been asking myself for so long and this new twitch drama is making it harder. This summarizes all the points I needed so thanks!
For your question I think option one would be easier and less stressful. Instead of posting VODs after your done you could unlist them and put them in a playlist so that your subs don’t get notified and the YT algorithm isn’t confused.
Glad it was helpful! I hope this helps more aspiring content creators figure things out for themselves!
I don't know how you have your youtube stream set up in OBS, but you can make a separate streaming profile for youtube and connect your youtube account like how you did with twitch and it will pop up your chat on it's own little dock just like the twitch one. You can also just use stream elements to get your youtube chat and alerts to show up nicely and use it as a browser source just like you would on twitch. You don't have to do all this pop up stuff anymore!! I hope this helps
ahhhh thank you Mari, yeah I have been literally starting from scratch every time with a new stream key😵💫 I have been told that there is an easier way since posting this 🤭
Thank you for this video! I vote for Proposal 2~
In my opinion RUclips just needs to improve their API so we would have way more fun integrations for streaming. I currently stream on both RUclips and Twitch and I enjoy RUclips more for the quality of the video for viewers and the chat auto moderation is very strict too so I feel safer here.
3:45 - If you check "Enable DVR", and uncheck both "Enable auto-start" and "Enable auto-stop" in RUclips livestream window and your internet goes down, the stream will freeze instead of closing so you just need to hit start stream on OBS again selecting the ongoing broadcast and it should go back~ (Just make sure when you want to close the stream to hit "end stream" on the RUclips window too because if you end the stream only on OBS, it will freeze instead of ending)
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE HELP i am definitely going to be setting up Enable DVR!
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otsuYam and arigatou for sharing your views and working hard on making a quick table with clear categories on what any aspiring streamer/Vtuber could consider!
oooh would Yam-sensei also considering looking at other platforms like Kick and... moi thinks it's Rumble? Despite negative press and all about Kick...?
There are some VRChat creators that moi knows have been streaming on Kick for various reasons (better revenue share, more lenient to VRChat streamers who sometimes accidentally show yabailewd stuff with their avvies, etc.)... 'hoping you could talk with some folks who have made the move like moxie / Alithara-sensei, locky_vr-sensei and SweetSamanthaVR-sensei and many others!
oh also 15:17 Hate raids are aplenty to trans folks on Twitch, but there are so many, many, many queer folks on there that have forged community on Twitch despite this?
It's interesting that queer/trans/enby/gender-nonconforming Vtubers seem to be not that plentiful on RUclips?
In terms of hateful/discriminatory comments, 'can attest to receiving a lot of transphobic comments on the YT section; same as with any trans/enby/GNC creator on RUclips?
Yam always saving small Vtubers faith on content creation .
so glad to hear it. We are all in this together!
Hope this helps folk see other perspectives on this issue! Thank yah for the vid yam
Thanks for the help on it Catboy!
Good idea to break it down by size. Recently, there has been another round of talk about Twitch streamers jumping to RUclips. Whether that is viable seems to depend on size. The prospect of starting over is probably too much for a small streamer to do because they likely will be starting from 0. A big channel can shed viewers on the switch and probably still be ok.
Very much agreed, thank you for your input as always~!
I don't mind the notifications, since I only activate them for some channels and my feed was always a mess haha.
But I do understand that diversification is important for streamers, it's just that I don't use twitch too often, their culture just isn't for me, they can be...hard to deal sometimes.
I do hope youtube improves it's streaming experience in the future.
I appreciate the feedback, thank you for watching!
One thing i hate about twitch is vods. Some people will play copyrighted music at the beginning and then mute the vod. So you miss a large chunk of the vod if you didn't catch it live
And ads at the beginning when join a stream. Literally the worst
I didn’t know that was a think, thanks for contributing to the conversation!
I have my music setup so that when i make a vod, the music that i use via spotify is cut. The only audio is left is my voice and whatever i'm streaming, but i do drawing streams mostly so it's not too much of a big deal. The downside is the akwardness of just hearing my voice and weird dead air.
Boy if YT has less than a minute or more of latency it is a good day
But man way to get this video out so fast Good Marathoning, Yam 🌟🌟🌟
my brain is static but the upload is out
tough decision! I think maybe option 3. I personally prefer watching on twitch and have followed people I find on RUclips to their twitch channels, so I’m sure others will too. 3 channels seems like a lot, but you have diverse content that can be easily organized into those three channels so I think people would like to choose which of your content to be notified about! Whatever you decide, we are with you!
Thank you!
Great comparison video and analysis! As someone who is a livestreaming viewer on both platforms (non Vtubers as well), some things I'd like to mention from my own experience and what I know of the platforms:
-The mentioned 70/30 split on Twitch actually doesn't exist anymore, it is now 50/50 for everyone, even those who signed a 70/30 split contract in the past (assuming that contract has expired).- *UPDATE AS OF JUNE 15:* The 70/30 split appears to be back, but there are some oddly specific minimum requirements for it. Instead, some streamers (likely partners and possibly affliates) have brought it to the community's attention that the rate of minutes of ads per hour a streamer is required to run, meaning time non subs will not be able to watch the stream, has gone up significantly, appearing to range anywhere between 3 and 8 minutes of ads per hour these days. That can be a dealbreaker for some people who don't like running ads or taking away their viewers from their stream.
What I'd also like to say regarding RUclips's stream stream features: The community is working hard on that.
Twitch emote extensions like BTTV and 7TV almost all work on RUclips these days.
Truffle TV (prev. Mogul TV) is a RUclips livestreaming extension that was originally created when big streamer Ludwig moved to the platform, aiming to enhance the RUclips livestreaming experience, eventually moving on to become their own thing. They bring features including some known from Twitch, such as channel points, a battle pass, theater mode, (cross platform) raiding, etc to the platform. I will say: They have a creator waitlist and I am unsure if there are any minimum requirements and/or how long that might be especially for smaller creators. They've also only been around for about 1.5 years and still have their flaws, but have been rapidly expanding and improving in that time. The reason I specifically mention this extension is because it started off with Ludwig, who has a really good relationship with RUclips Gaming, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if Truffle TV does at some point get integrated into RUclips Livestreaming itself.
I have no intentions of coming off as a shill/sell-out by mentioning this, but personally I'd say these are reasons to include when considering what platform to choose, which is what the video is about.
This was so well put together! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for commenting!
Proposal 3- This is kind of what I'm angled for once I get everything built. It sounds like a lot, but I think it will organize more easily for you. It's a lot to monitor, but that's life in the digital age. Glad you're here in any case
That was a really interesting breakdown! I don't tune in for live streams, so the notifications for streams do end up being filler for me. But I've gotten used to it, so I don't think it's bad if option 1 occurs.
I would go for a modified proposal 3. So the two changes would be having all streams be on Twitch, as well having the vods of vtuber design/cultural streams being on main youtube channel.
The main reason is that personally it really does not feel like it makes too much sense to have to split an audience especially since most audiences usually are sticking around for either all the streams, all the videos, or both. As different as it feels the character of vtuber is usually enjoyed with all of what they present, not just specifically gaming or singing as most times the viewer is there to watch the person entertain. Also as i had found out earlier from another person in the comment section that, the easiest way to manage the whole filling up subscription feed is to just have the vods be unlisted and added to a playlist on that channel.
The last thing to do is just find a place or medium that your viewers will be using a lot or someplace they will notice for your streaming schedule. I am not as familiar with twitch but if you are able set up a clear schedule for the week then it will save a lot of time. It does not really matter where but it needs to be somewhere your viewers check and somewhere everyone can see. If you are willing to go for it twitter may even be an option as some vtube streamers do use twitter to post their schedules of the week.
Thank you for the input! I am learning so much from reading these comments!
Honestly a fan of these types of informative content. Keep it up, ma'am. This is brain food for me. XD
Awesome and Informative video as always Yam, and that fact you pumped this out so fast is impressive. I thought about it for a bit but I pick proposal 2! You already have a foundation on RUclips and with your prior experience on Twitch I think it’s safe to stay here. I’m just hoping the RUclips gods don’t come crashing down on the bat bunch and we lose you outta nowhere heh. Keep up the lovely content Yam~
Thank you for your input as always forspookable!
My vote would be proposal 2. I actually discovered you through your gaming channel (rare as that might be) and through that I found your main channel.
That being said I would most definitely follow you to twitch if you decided to stream games over there.
Thank you so much Jared！ I actually had no clue that anyone found me from my gaming streams so that makes me happy to hear~
RUclips live streams ending when you lose internet is because you have auto-stop enabled on your stream. If you doable it you shouldnt have a problem with that.
WHAT?! Good to know thank you!
@@YamAlbat oh but it also means when you end stream on OBS it doesn't end the RUclips stream and you have to go back into yt studio to do it, so double check when you're done
@@YamAlbat oh but it also means when you end stream on OBS it doesn't end the RUclips stream and you have to go back into yt studio to do it, so double check when you're done
Yeah I figured that wouldn’t get fixed… thank you tho!
Propasal 1 but to not clutter feed make playlist of unlisted VODs
Good to know that is an option!
I think proposal 3 would be nice just to separate content, but honestly I dont mind any of them!
Thank you for the input! Every comment really does help me decide 😭🧡
the crying emote in the thumbnail 🥴💓 valid mood 🫡💗🤗🫂
for real
Thank you for making this video! I'm hoping to get into streaming as a vtuber, and since I'm more interested in doing that than any edited videos Twitch seems like it might be a better choice for me. Especially because I've seen the RUclips automated moderation cause SO MANY problems for creators i love.
As for what you should do, option 2 seems like it might be the best? At least, that's the way a lot of content creators i follow seem to do, and it seems to work well for them. I'd follow you no matter which version you pick though!
Thank you!
I really appreciate the video! Lots of great information. I really think the 3rd option is the best option. I am a bit biased, but, I really like the interactability and flow when it comes to streaming games on Twitch. You should still keep your home on RUclips! And you don't have to leave it, I have also debated doing multiple streams between Twitch and RUclips, I think it's a perfectly viable option if you plan it out correctly. I know Twitch (And youtube too) can be problematic at times, but I have found that you can steer the ship, and if you have a good team of mods, you can squash things pretty quick, at least in my very small experience...
Thank you so much for your input! Twitch does have very nice interactability!
This is something I've been considering for a while, but Twitch keeps making a larger consideration with each baffling and dumb decision they make in managing their platform.
Still, its a difficult decision to think through.
While I managed to reach Affiliate by achieving 3 average viewers for one month, I went back to 1-2 average immediately after accepting the offer. Having nearly 300 Twitch followers, compared to 58 YT subs, seems to hold no value as only 1% are there for my Twitch streams with any regularity.
I rarely receive raids, almost never have anyone to raid when I end stream on my current stream days, and I've only gotten a single payout in more than a year of streaming. And that was only because they lowered the threshold.
Overall, Twitch does very little for me, as a small creator. Especially with only enough time and energy to stream once and upload 3-5 videos per week.
So far the logic seems to add up such that, if most of the regulars I have would be willing to watch me on another platform, I wouldn't be losing much and could possibly stand to benefit long-term. Two of the regulars in my community have already said that they'd follow me to wherever I stream.
Plus my YT uploads and exported Twitch VoD trims, highlights, and clips already get more views than I've ever had on any live or VoD on Twitch.
I'm thinking that, if I were to deactivate Twitch Affiliate, I could multistream to either RUclips and Twitch or Twitch and Kick while integrating Ko-fi and StreamElements as the main forms of donation support. Which would mean no revenue split with the platforms for the few donations I do get.
Since I appeal to a wide age range of teenage to 44 years old, a chunk of my audience don't have money to donate anyway. So, ideally, growth to the point of being able to frequently get sponsorships would be best. So whatever course of action that would allow growth without abusing parasociality and/or asking for donations is the path I'd prefer to take.
Thank you for sharing your perspective as a fellow video+streaming creator!
I unfortunately have to inform you that silumcasting (streaming on both RUclips and twitch) is not allowed anymore with Twitch’s new terms of service for ANYONE. That is the main thing that prompted me to make this video.
@@YamAlbat
I see. I guess I didn't notice that.
That changes things.
The only multistream option is basically RUclips and Kick, then. Kick even encourages using Restream by linking to it on their stream setup page.
Guess my primary consideration is now whether to completely abandon streaming on Twitch, since I already upload to RUclips regularly and exclusively streaming on Twitch has been having diminishing returns for me with every change they make.
Yeah, now you’re in the same boat as me 😰 sorry to be the bearer of bad mews
@@YamAlbat Well, with the continued actions of Twitch administration and RUclips making what is essentially an Affiliate level for RUclips Partner Program, the best choice for me has become more clear.
I really love the way you express your self in your videos, honestly. You deserve more views ❤ hope some day You got the views You deserve 🥳
Thank you so much!!
as a small content creator its difficult when I stream for content I need to pick either YT or twitch to follow my otehr small vtuber buddies online around
algorithm , mods , management etc. its really challenging and glad this video exist!!!
You can do it! It’s tough to start out, but with enough experimenting you’ll figure out what’s best for you!
Proposal 1 as I don't mind having a bunch of streams in my notifications. 👍
I really don't use Twitch at all.👎
your question, I think option one would be easier and less stressful.😊
Definitely the least stressful option, agreed! Thanks for commenting!
@@YamAlbat Thanks🤩
In the end, you should follow what your heart says is right
Thank you so much
Did such a good job! ^^
TYSM!
Sorry, Yam. But it doesn't sound like there's a flawless option for you.
I'm biased torwards youtube but you pointed very good arguments in favor of twitch.
One thing that idea I had while watching the video, tho. How about you create different frames for your thumbnails? Like gaming stream vods could have one consistent theme in the thumbnail to clearly indicate it's a gaming vod. A different frame (With different colors and theming) could signal that the video is a proper analysis video.
Just a suggestion to keep videos more organized.
That’s a very good idea, thank you Kenny!
This is a great resource video; thanks for making it. As someone who is considering making content, here are my plans: livestream on Twitch, upload Vods to a vod and clip channel on YT, upload edited content to a channel like yours, and use YT Community tabs / Twitter for posting schedules and crosslinking. This is closest to proposal 3. YT seems to want disambiguation of content types for its algorithm, so separate channels may perform better / shield you from account problems if Vods have monetization problems (though for you, not an issue). Allow fans to support how they want and consume how they want; being torn isn't an issue. The real issue is time management; this is a lot of work.
Thank you for your perspective! Good luck on your content creation journey!
If you upload vods from twitch to youtube you have to upload them as videos not as live content, so it muddies your channel if you plan to add clips or other videos. If it just clips and vods it not so much an issue but long video content + clips + vods doesn't look good. But if you stream on youtube you have a live section. Also I heard that video suggestion to viewers is based on what they watch if they watch your shorts they will be suggested your shorts, if they videos the get suggested your videos, if they watch live streams they be suggested your livestreams. I also noticed this as well in some of my own suggested content I watch. I think it even even happens with polls and community tabs too.
as a Twitch viewer i have some hindsight
- the whole no-Simulcast rule is pretty much impossible to enforce, even big name Streamers get away with it (& is also why the walked it back)
- Twitch emotes are site-wide so if you like to pay for emotes you get more bang for your buck
- so technically there is a way to keep VODs for longer on Twitch, the highlight feature does allow you to save almost the entire VoD, still, uploading to a VoD channel is the better option
as for Hate Raids, Twitch has both a built-in shortcut for Shield Mode which sets restrictions to the absolute highest until turned back off, said mode is also customizable
and you can set the allowed size of a raid, so you don't get IronMouse dropping the entire 50k Famoly on mod team of 2
- also on that front Twitch's automod lets you add Blacklist & whitelist phrases, not just words, but the entire phrase
I would love to stream I got my png done but I’m having a hard time figuring out if I want to stream of twitch or RUclips because I’m already on RUclips it’s very confusing
I personally like it nice and clean so proposal 3. With that out of the way: Thank you for the insight and the breakdown! It really gave me a lot of information I was missing.
Since I want to start streaming myself I am also torn between RUclips and Twitch. For me the decision is between my fear of being hit with DMCA claims without being able to properly appeal them (as you can easily overlook that one part and mess up and due to how harsh violations are treated in my country - not to mention lawyers who make a living out of it to find the smallest infringement) and the discoverability RUclips offers. It´s such a tough trade off. Any advise?
You should make a second YT channel for the streams that are not relevant to the audience in your first channel.
You can do shoutouts informing people of your other channels to help spread your visibility.
You can also include an SEO tag in your videos so when someone searches for you, they get results from both channels.
Thank you for your input! I appreciate it!
I think proposal 1 is the best and proposal 3 is the worst.
I think the cons of proposal 1 are not that bad. Like, especially considering Vtuber fans culture on youtube (which are probably a great bunch in your audience) as you said are closer to holo/niji culture which means they/we have our page flooded with streams in between clips, etc. So even tho It can be annoying to have only streams in our sub feed, we are accustomed and it only would make a difference if like you are the only vtuber they followed imo. Also, i.e. when I see a stream recommendation of yours it also helps to remind if I left a video (maybe a longer one) at a certain point to continue to watch it later so I'd even say it's kind of benefitial.
The other point about your career being over if the platform goes bananas or something happens to your channel, imo you'll have that anywhere anyways, and if you have a dedicated fanbase I think it's rescueable (Idk if this word exists).
Now about proposal 2, I think it's not bad either, especially considering you are streaming for fun but at the same time I think dividing your audience doesn't make too much sense for me at least.
Proposal 3 however, I think the cons outweight the pros, you don't like twitch culture that much, you would have to build another community there too and is more difficult to manage as you said. Also you would be dividing more your audience than with proposal 2 so it makes even less sense for me.
That's my opinion, sorry if it's too long and ofc whatever decision you make I believe the most important thing is that it makes you the most confortable (or the least unconfortable).
Great video as always!!
Thank you so much for your input, I see your points! Thanks for taking the time to give your thoughts!
Proposal 2 is what I’m used to but I’m also off twitch cuz of the ads having triggered me in the past so I'm biased
I actually tried YT Streaming for a bit start of this year, It did not work.
Uploaded Shorts regularly, One 20 Mins Video a Month and Streamed Two times a Week.
Even then, The Viewership was so much worse than It was on Twitch.
I have no idea What I did wrong there, and I have no idea what to do with it.
I'm currently fed up with twitch's BS and I'm trynna move over to Kick / YT using Multistreaming.
What do you think about Kick / YT Multistreaming?
This comment is coming from the perspective of a small twitch streamer who is looking to diversify onto RUclips
Thank you for your perspective, it’s very valuable!
@@YamAlbat Of course! Also another thought I had, is that people who are a fan of you and not the content is going to be subbing to both channels anyhow, so I don't think the streaming on two different channels thing is an issue. The people only interested in your design/vtuber edited video content might pop into those main channel streams/vods to check it out and won't feel alienated, while your closer-knit community will absolutely appreciate also being notified for the gaming/chatting streams! It's a win-win imo!
I'm definitely overly biased towards youtube in this discussion as someone who just couldn't get into twitch despite trying to follow people there but can't say option 3 isn't a smart move, if I set my preferences aside it might even be your best bet.
HOWEVER I'm partial to option 1. There's a bunch of organization tricks you can do on your end that can streamline your feed and imo be a general quality of life improvement over the other two options. One of the most useful is vod playlists (you can always make the vods in a playlist unlisted if you're afraid your vods clog up our feed) and then there's title & thumbnail formatting so the audience can tell at a glance what the stream is generally about. You can try color coding thumbnails for example, or what I like most is the bracketed "stream type" before your stream title format which is almost what you're doing right now, you just need to decide on a fixed format and stick to it instead of the less cohesive titles you have right now.
My recommendation would be following this pattern (examples for both stand alone and series streams you do): "[Gaming Stream] To the highest highs and lowest lows! || Tears of the Kingdom Part 3" "[Gaming Stream] Let's check out my abandoned island! || Animal Crossing New Horizons" "[Design Talk] Reviewing Indie Vtuber Designs! || Vtuber Appreciation episode 5" (I think calling them episodes would be cute lol) "[Design Talk] Let's Discuss Vtuber Concepts"
The one [Drawing Stream] you did was already in this format, you could borrow the words [Vtuber Discussion] from your discord for zatsus like the talking about vtuber agencies stream, you could also do [Gaming Collab] and [Collab Stream] etc. You just need to find thematic cathegories that are always applicable and your audience might want to sort by. Then you can also make these cathegories into playlists (+ separate playlists of your serialized streams).
And almost forgot but about the second option, for you right now it's not very viable because of the revenue loss but I noticed there's a good point in time during your channel growth for stream/vod channel separation that doesn't make larger creators lose out on views. So moving all of your streams to a second channel in the future and having your highlights on your main channel in a playlist with links directing to the second channel could be something beneficial later down the line.
Thank you so much for all the tips!
This seems very helpful to creators ! And gives me an other look into what the creators life is like. Do you have some kind of background in design or media ?
I'm just a viewer that lives on RUclips, that watched a lot of clipper content on RUclips (most of them come from Twitch streams). Basically only on Twitch or RUclips live when timezones match for certain events, which a lot of the time don't. Lots of those who I watch are in the US or Japan. And I'm in Europe. But I've always had a great interest in what creators go though, I used to watch a lot of vlogs too.
So glad that you found it helpful! I am an aspiring character designer and I have quite an interest for what makes a good vtuber and good content!
From what I have studied, it is mandatory to seperate your content between channels to keep the algorithm happy. It takes your overall viewer interaction, so when it is split it looks like viewers are falling off to the Bot.
Thus it throttles your channel growth
Yeah it really sucks when you want to make multiple forms of content but the algorithm only supports you doing one thing.
Great video. I guess some of the decisions have been reversed (or publicly backpedal-ed on) and I think the 70/30 split for partners is universally changing to 50/50 unless I'm mistaken.
Tough decision to make though. Option 1 is good for not rocking the boat and also I don't think your streaming frequency is enough to flood subscription boxes. Option 3 seems optimal but requires considerably more effort. I do think there's room for more 'niche' vtubers on Twitch if you set boundaries & expectations early on. I know a lot of chill, cozy streamers with mostly lovely communities there but they're not vtubers so I'm not sure if it's THAT different as a vtuber. Either way, good luck with whichever path you choose!
Thank you Adam, I appreciate your input!
26:32 Is there a way to make the videos unlisted so that they don't show up on people's feed but they can find it on a vods playlist?
I think proposal 2 makes the most sense. If you had an editor or any employees to help you, I would say proposal 3. I think just having that separation while you're still under 10k subs on RUclips would be a smart move. The RUclips algorithm is brutal, so having different types of content on the same channel is rough, especially when your livestreams and videos are on completely different topics. I don't know if this was intentional, but I see you more as an educational channel, even when you're talking about other Vtuber designs in a video-essay format. Anything that is purely gaming would probably not make much sense on this channel. I also agree with you that the Twitch audience might not be meshing as well with your content, especially as a more educational Vtuber. People come to RUclips for educational content, but Twitch is known for being more of an entertainment-based platform. You should take my opinion with a grain of salt, but if I was in your shoes, I would abandon Twitch all together, and maybe convert some RUclips Shorts into informative TikTok videos, instead.
wonderful breakdown, thank you!
Not sure if it has changed but last I checked RUclips shorts are better in their own separate channel from long format videos.
Shorts have their own video retention algorithm and long format usually means lower views. So the algorithm sees lower views when you post long format videos and stops promoting your short format videos.
Keeping them separate means that your short format videos get to be promoted by the algorithm based on the usually high view count on shorts. Issue is, it gets harder to mix both audiences later on, if you want to pull from shorts. Also, managing two channels.
I reiterate that this might be different now. So it might be a good idea to check.
Im confused about some things...
A: on-platform monetization barely matters if you are small, because thats the stage where you mainly want to get new reach/viewers. And even with affiliate you wont make a lot of money, so why not default to donations first, without having to stream exclusively on Twitch?
B: The set up for RUclips is ba no means that complicated. If you stream only on RUclips OBS' integrated stream setup automates a lot and you dont even have to go on youtube for that anymore, because you can set up everything down to the thumbnail in OBS. And even when you are using something like Restream, there is no copying of Stream URLs or the Pop-out chat. I dont know what you are doing, but it seems it might be worth to take second look at the software you are using. OBS Settings - Streaming - Services - choose RUclips RTMP and just log into your account.
C: One important point especially for small streamer is again multistreaming. Depending on what Twitch is going to do in the future, it will be a choice between just Twitch and ALL other platforms all together.
D: RUclipss technical side is far superior to Twitchs. You can use way higher bitrates, have support for h.265 encoding and as it seems YT will be WAY faster with implementing AV1 encoding, what might be a BIG argument for the future in favor of YT.
Just a few points i wanted to mention.
A: Monetization matters more to some than others, a lot of the time people just want their cute emotes faster!
B: I will look into how to streamline going live on youtube because i really did describe exactly how I go live on youtube and some people are mentioning that it can be made easier
C: Multistreaming/Simulcasting is now completely prohibited between RUclips and Twitch
D: Good to know!
Thanks for taking the time out of your day to bring up these points!
I would say 2. You already tried Twitch and if the audience there made you more uncomfortable then you probably should not go there. Even if option 3 is better since your on more platforms. If you start dreading interacting with your audience, you could easily start dreading streaming too. But ultimately the choice is yours since you know yourself best.
I would also like to point out, even if it is off topic. For some Vtubers that do Merch and/or art commissions, do not discount Social Media platforms.
Sure ones like Twitter limit how much you can say and do but that is short form content. You could get a completely separate audience there to direct to merch, commissions or sites like Patreon.
I know Tumblr is not everyone's favorite but you can do longer written content there that people will read. I see every now and then people posting how they like seeing long post on Tumblr
TL:DR While not viable for streaming, social media sites can be a way of reaching new audiences with short form and some written long form content. Good if you have merch or a donation site.
I just do not want people to think their only avenue of income is from streaming I guess. You can do what you love while still possibly making an income
Good points all around, I actually do use Tumblr and enjoy the platform!
Very late but maybe there's a fourth option where you stream on twitch and then your regular content and vod/clips/highlights in the same channel BUT everything related to streaming is unlisted, which means algorithm would ignore it. But they can still see it via a playlist or something?
Proposal 3 100% since sadly on youtube streams can ruin your viewer retention and watch ratio and i've seen it devastate a channel firsthand. If it was a question of "would viewers enjoy seeing their feeds flooded with vods" i'm sure most of them wouldn't mind at all! This problem is entirely on youtubes end sadly. Again, it would be building from scratch on twitch but it would be good to diversify I suppose?
Its very unfortunate this entire topic had to even come up due to multistreams being targeted by twitch. I think a very nice to mention is also on what platform do people more "at home". It might not even be the more "successfull" one as i personally rather drop my Twitch then YT as i simply have been using Yt for so many years over Twitch.
Missed lots of streams on a talent alt account because i never visit twitch lol
Asmongold says that if you are new and need exposure/growth, RUclips, 100%.
Good to know, thank you so much!
Idk about desktop, but YT mobile actually separated videos and live vods, so your catalogue wont be clustered, unless you only check them from home tab. So the first option aint that bad.
Well, this is coming from video watcher tho, so maybe my opinion aint that relevant. I just cant keep up with streamers.
Understandable, the majority of my audience is here for my videos, which is why I have considered moving streaming off this channel so that the content post people are here for is easy to find!
If RUclips is making a new stream when you lose and then regain internet, instead of reconnecting to the existing stream, then you have your settings set incorrectly in OBS.
RUclips is for videos, Twitch is for streams. Every creator definitely should consider having both platforms. Asmongold is the best example of the self-contained channel system - All of the content comes from twitch and gets categorized into 3 YT channels:
1) main one for the best content which includes sizeable (~10-40min) edited parts of the streams on certain most popular topics and lightly edited gaming VODs with the most hype games, basically a channel for content that is potentially the most popular.
2) clipping channel for clips/highlights
3) gaming channel exclusively for gaming/streaming VODs.
There's also a blogging channel for pure "video essay" type of content that is separate from the main brand (ZackRawwr).
There's multiple similar examples of successful content creators with the same kind of setup. Basically the whole of Vshojo, other creators like "GOT Games", CDawgVA, Pokimane and so forth. And honestly for the western streamers twitch is the main platform, the reason why it's not that popular in other countries is because they often have similar popular local alternative (bilibili, nikodouga, etc) - that's why the biggest agencies like Nijisanji or Hololive barely dip their toes into twitch streaming, although that's changing little by little.
Love the content btw.
TYSM! I appreciate that breakdown a lot actually! (I can now dual stream on Twitch and RUclips again, but I ended up making a gaming channel exclusively for gaming streaming and VODs after this! )
I want to say proposal 3, but that's only because I generally watch livestreams only on Twitch haha. Any is good - sucks creators are having to pick like this now.
thanks for the input!
This is only my opinion from my personal experience as a viewer but i think third option would be overthinking it... I personally think proporsal one of having everything on your first channel would make your channel more robust and varied, where you have a bit of everything besides your main focus on videos, because if you only build an audience Only with character design videos how would the other two channels grow with no base audience? Even if the viewers here came for one thing they can simply wait for a new video, while others will become interested in your livestreams AND videos. (Which is how i personally become interested in Vtubers in the first place in here, even having one or two videos/shorts showcasing their model or their presentation or talking about anything will hook me more than having to scroll through a stream archive)
For example, I'm more of a video watcher and I'm not much interested in games, but the YT mobile app separates videos from streams so I really don't mind seeing the streams or being notified of them, because if a stream Does interest me I'm going to join it or watch it later. I think a lot of authors/video makers/streamers forget the audience can... Choose? What to watch without the need to be redirected to another channel exclusive to one type of content or another. I know why its done and it may make some think the main channel is "cluttered" but isn't that the reason playlists exist in the first place? To organise the type of things the creator does?)
Thank you so much for your input. This makes a lot of sense!
honestly is better to at the very least have multiple platforms as backup even if you don't plan to actively use them
Yeah this is really a tough situation. In my opinion, making a community and the role of Discord and pinging your engaged fans, is even more important during transitionary times like now.
For me YT is the best platform, but just my opinion/my needs
Thank you for your input!
I do have a discord server with pinging roles, it’s been very helpful
I prefer yotube because the vod is there when u miss 17 years of content from the creator u just started watching. And fast(idk how to describe it). The twitch for some reason is better in chat and latency?
I do binge stream vods on RUclips so I can relate!
I feel like u streaming on twitch and them streams being archived to youtube is fine. I just like the streams being at youtube instead of somewhere else and then upload it to RUclips tho, since I'm using YT for a long time now, even today, that I don't even wanna move to another platform simply becuz someone is livestreaming in there instead of youtube.
Since it’s relevant to the discussion, as someone who is just a viewer not a creator, I will not watch anyone on Twitch because I hate the user experience of the site. If a creator I like moves to Twitch, I will probably stop watching them or instead watch their vods but only if these are regularly posted to RUclips.
My viewing habits are that I like to watch one whole stream at a time and not really actively chat except at the beginning or end. I also only watch a small number of creators regularly. Also as a European, my opinion matters less to American streamers since no one is streaming at a good time for us anyway.
Naturally I’m a fan of option 1
Thank you for your input! (I try to stream in EU friendly time slots on weekends!)
@@YamAlbat it’s honestly very appreciated since it’s so rare!
Why were hololive vtubers being shown during the Twitch comparisons for TOS and Enforcement (rant)? Did you just put vtuber footage wherever or do holo members other than Ame and Gura have twitch accounts that I'm not aware of/can't find? Not a criticism, genuinely curious.
I had to edit this whole video in 1 day so I just grabbed a hololive desk slamming clip compilation and used it as eye candy so you didn’t have to watch my model talking the entire time! The clip compilation is credited in the description!
not the jojo thumbnail 💛💛
I expected way more comments like “is that a jojo reference?” You’re the first one surprisingly 🤭
@@YamAlbat though (if the thumbnail could be changed) it would be better if twitter and youtube got switched (since you mentioned youtube would demonetise at any moment for no reason and it fits mista’s superstitious tendencies)
also abbacchio having twitter would also be fitting due to the “abbacchio hates giorno for no reason” and well twitter is twitter
narancia can keep twitch. it fits him.
ahahahahaha valid point 😂
This girl funny. Funny face! Hah! Gottem!
Thank you I’ve always wanted to be a comedian
@@YamAlbatdont... don't reply to me, lol
Whatcha gonna do about it 👀
@@YamAlbati feel like i just got pushed on the play ground and now this girl is looking for a fight lol
Okay, finally finished the video. Let me give my two cents. I have a couple of things to say, but let say that i think proposal 1 is the best option.
Now, why do i think that? Because your audience isn't very big. That isn't to say you're a small creator, just that at the moment, I don't believe you have enough foundation to really grow the second channel relatively fast. This can be seen by the number of views the "gaming" channel has.
Like you said, people are beings of habit. We also follow the path of least resistance. This means that the more clicks we have to make to watch something, the less likely we are to do it. If i have to click on another channel to watch your live streams... in all likelihood, I'm just not gonna watch it. Keeping Everything on one channel where you have all your subscribers already is the best option.
You mentioned flooding your subs with VODs they don't want to watch. I believe this is a bad take. You don't really know what your subs want to watch. Since RUclips is new to live streaming, RUclips's audience will also be new to it. Most people probably have never even seen a live stream. But given that you are a Vtuber, and this medium mostly got popular because of the hololive live streamers, seeing a stream pop up live on their subscription tab wont be an issue for them. In fact, the more you go live, the higher the chance that they will want to see what you are doing.
You are correct in saying that your live streams have nothing to do with your video content... but that doesn't matter. The normal viewer has a million different things on their sub tab. From woodwork to DIY to ASMR to well.. you name it. You will just be one of many things on their sub tab.
And honestly? I hardly ever go to my sub tab. I know its there, but i almost never use it.
The algorithm. Who really knows whats going on with that thing? If your videos do good, then your live streams might also benefit from that. I don't believe your streams will be a detriment to your videos.
You mentioned earlier in the video that RUclips doesn't care about live streaming and so it wont be coming out with new features for it any time soon. But this is wrong. RUclips has been doing a lot of work on the RUclips streaming side. Just in the last tear they have added:
-[‘Go Live Together']. able to bring another person into your live stream through a link.
-[Live rings]. the red rings that show up when you go live
-[Cross-channel live redirects]. raids
-[Uninterrupted split screen viewing]. instead of chat overlaying on top of the video, it now splits the screen into two parts. this is mainly for mobile.
-[Live Q&A]. able to ask your chat about something and have it separated from the normal chat.
And there have been many more. But these are just from this last year. RUclips is working hard to improve their live streaming.
To end things off, keeping everything short and sweet is the best option in general. Like you said, RUclips retention isn't great. Making things easier for viewers is really the best option.
You can still stream on twitch if you really want to. Nothing is stopping you from doing that. You probably don't even need to upload the VODs to the "gaming" channel either unless you really wanted to.
You will continue to be able to monetize your streams and continue producing the content you make without diluting your viewer base. I hope this is the option you go with. RUclips streaming is growing, it would be nice to see more streamers grow with it.
Thank you for all the advice!
@YamKoumori I saw some people also mentioned unlisting VODs as a way to hide them... dont do that. It kills the VOD. People dont want to play hide and seak with a video.
I would know. I've complained many times to those who did it. Literally does no one any good
I say proposal one, though I don't have much room to talk since I'm not subscribed and haven't started making content just yet. I would say avoid number three if you won't fit in on Twitch and would leave the RUclips audience waiting or even alienate them.
Thank you!
@@YamAlbat You're welcome.
I think the biggest criticism to twitch tos is twitch tos actually limits the negative things you can say about twitch, especially when it comes to pay back when a lot of people were making the switch to youtube they added that and started banning creators who mentioned that youtube paid more than twitch, whereas youtube is more strict it usually has a reason surrounding copyright user and minor safety, twitch TOS includes a lot of stuff that's more opinion based and does it upset the twitch gods, youtube will let you shit talk youtube
So my takeaway is, Stream on Twitch, Post VODs and non-stream content on RUclips. Lol.
Sounds about right!
My opinion is that right now Twitch is not looking so good for big creators so if Twitch keeps this up then go with number 2. If Twitch still works out Go with number 3!
Thank you!
You’re welcome!
I think a question you have to ask yourself is : would you use Twitch's features? Donation alerts, dynamic chat and such, when all you do during streams are a nice lil' talk or some cozy gaming? You're extra dependant on VoD, make a lot of videos, so if I had to vote, I'd say to have two RUclips accounts, one for streams/clip and one for videos.
Thank you spidyy. I really haven't used Twitch's features to their full potential before!
You can do all those alerts on RUclips too. Of course RUclips has no channel point system as of this point.
Why not both? Yeah twitch doesn't allow it, but screw them, They're not going to go after you unless you get big, so just stream everywhere.
Kick is offering support for vtuber refugees
Good to know! Thanks!
for you straight up want to do proposal 1 or 2. 2 has an advantage of not conflicting content but both are still on youtube so as long as you promote it well you will be able to create subs that sub to both. 1 you already have the subs but any channel bans could be really bad, but as live streams are separate the mix content is not an issue. but 2 can be more benefit vs the risks of lost on the main. 3 is not great because twitch viewers and youtube don't mix well, its harder to move people from youtube to twitch but much easier to move people from twitch to youtube. The biggest advantage have to do with community with other streamers they can feed and grow each other, included stuff like the sub emotes beings able to be uses on any twitch stream, where member emotes can only used for the streamer themselves. You know the vtuber Obake PAM I see her stream on both twitch and youtube at the same time but have like 200viewer of youtube but only 20 on twitch, so there is demising returns to using both. I going to stop my rant here with a conclusion
Twitch viewers are more likely to follow streamers on other platforms youtube, twitter, discord so on. Where youtube viewers may do that are like things being all in one place more(two channels is ok as still same platform), video's, livestream, shorts, community posts, polls, these all help your community gather even where your not online, even youtube comments allows the community to talk with each other.
Thank you for adding to the discussion!