yep, its a sad reality. it doesn't help that we are flooded with meristem clones for super cheap. but I also think that the next gen growers will innovate with new business models that will help revive the trade....hopefully!
@@elpilarorchids let's hope so. I know that large Dutch commercial growers are experimenting with heat pumps and underground energy storage which they can then use over Winter. So eventually they will become much more energy efficient, ofcourse it is also in their own interest to do so. But as you could image it requires a huge investment.
for sure, as these new techs come on line and become more affordable, i believe that things locally can once again compete with imports and the market could shift back more toward production and not just resale...time will tell, i suppose!
Howdy mara! well now that is a good question. in all honesty i cannot tell you how since we don't do it and Hans is the first person we have talked to that uses this method exclusively. he gave us some pointers and some of the green cubes to try. please check in next week where we will reverse engineer his grow method by unpotting one of the plants and looking more closely at the media. he did say that in his conditions (greenhouse, high humidity with "normals" temperatures, he still waters most of his plants once a day in summer (a bit less in winter) but nearly all of the plants in his nursery were sitting in a little water....which he advocated for strongly on top of watering frequently. apparently this green cube stuff maintains about 50% air even when completely "saturated"....we will see more next week!
wow, well done going to visit the nursery in person. Looked nice. I did have to laugh when he mentined using pahiopideliums for cut flowers, I could swear I saw you freeze up in shock for a while at this revelation. surprised he uses rockwool for his paphs but they did look great. I'm still trying to find what works for mine. Getting them to grow new roots doesn't seem to be their favorite thing to do. What do you use for your paphs? Do you find they have a distinct rooting season? I've expanded my collection getting a paph appletonianum. Last addition for the year. I'm sure you got yourself a paph too.
hey tom! yes, there were a lot of eye opening moments in our chat with Hans. including his media choice. ALL of his plants are grown in that, expect the mounted ones, of course. but otherwise, it doesn't matter the genera or size, or anything, he grows them all in the same media with essentially the same watering schedule. really i am most impressed that he does all the work himself and uses very little supplemental lighting. the heat is another issue, as we highlighted in our video. for our paphs we use all semi-hydroponics. they love it in our conditions. 100% leca. we don't find they have rooting "seasons"...more they seem to push roots post-blooming, or during the early growth of new fans...but that is only anecdotal and not scientific observation! and no, we did not end up buying a paph :(. thanks for checking in, and if you can, try ordering from Hans, he has a massive selection of super healthy plants!!!
Hans Christiansen is a fine orchid grower, and I have enjoyed visiting his nursery. I will admit that I don't support his business as much as I would like. The main reason is that my two greatest orchid loves - Odontoglossums/Odontiodas and unifoliate Cattleyas - don't seem to interest him at all. He simply doesn't stock the plants I want. But it's sad that the one of the last remaining Danish orchid nurseries is struggling.
howdy Kim! agreed that he sells a lot of plants that we just cant grow or aren't interested in (mostly due to how big they can get). but, like you we hate to see the nurseries going out of business. also, lets just say that we have a lot of new plants to try and grow :), but honestly if his conditions will keep them alive, then our conditions should do as well, hahahah!
@@elpilarorchids One of the plants in the video, Bulbophyllum phalaenopsis, is definitely one I consider attractive - but it's hugely impractical in the home environment. Hans Christiansen's trademark is his rockwool culture, but I don't care for the material. I don't working with it at all, and I don't have the same feel for it as I do for bark and sphagnum. That is not to say that he isn't successful with it. Obviously he is - his plants look great.
@@kimdreyer4970 hahah, yeah, those bulbo phals were monstrous!! and the ones we saw were younger divisions. of sure we couldn't fit one in our apartment, but it would be cool!
I kinda get it, seems unsustainably wasteful using so much fossil fuels to commercially grow tropical plants in cold climates. The industry needs to innovate on ways to passively heat greenhouses if they want a future.
howdy Marco...we touched on that but it was in a part that was corrupted so we cant show you that discussion, unfortunately. a lot europeans (and germans) are trying to supplement/switch to biogas. but there has been little help from the governments to provide assistance to this experimental method. a few growers are using it, but he cant afford the startup costs on a new system. the queens greenhouse we mentioned, he told us that the computer system needs to be replaced and due to the age and all it would be a 50,000 euro computer upgrade. so now he opens all the windows manually and moves all the shade cloths manually.... talking to these guys really puts a lot of things into perspective.
@@elpilarorchids It’s a tragic situation and a great loss to the orchid community when these growers close for business. Would have been a fascinating discussion to listen to. Can you explain the link between not allowing the public access into the growing spaces and taxes?
@@MarcoPolo-vb1sw tragic, indeed (but maybe not for planet earth in the long run, just us selfish orchid nerds!) as for the tax thing, my understanding is that the govt position is that the growers don't directly make money off production facilities, only sale spaces. so, the growers get different tax rates (based on square meters, like an apartment) for sales vs production. they get some different rates for heating and electricity for the different uses, so therefore are taxed at different rates for different spaces. therefore, only staff are allowed in the production facilities to prevent the public from "shopping" in this spaces....
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Nice trip to Denkmark! It seems to be very difficult to make a living out of orchids these days, a lot of nurseries went out of business.
yep, its a sad reality. it doesn't help that we are flooded with meristem clones for super cheap. but I also think that the next gen growers will innovate with new business models that will help revive the trade....hopefully!
@@elpilarorchids let's hope so. I know that large Dutch commercial growers are experimenting with heat pumps and underground energy storage which they can then use over Winter. So eventually they will become much more energy efficient, ofcourse it is also in their own interest to do so. But as you could image it requires a huge investment.
for sure, as these new techs come on line and become more affordable, i believe that things locally can once again compete with imports and the market could shift back more toward production and not just resale...time will tell, i suppose!
I enjoyed your video. I was wondering how you you plant in rock wool?
Howdy mara! well now that is a good question. in all honesty i cannot tell you how since we don't do it and Hans is the first person we have talked to that uses this method exclusively. he gave us some pointers and some of the green cubes to try. please check in next week where we will reverse engineer his grow method by unpotting one of the plants and looking more closely at the media. he did say that in his conditions (greenhouse, high humidity with "normals" temperatures, he still waters most of his plants once a day in summer (a bit less in winter) but nearly all of the plants in his nursery were sitting in a little water....which he advocated for strongly on top of watering frequently. apparently this green cube stuff maintains about 50% air even when completely "saturated"....we will see more next week!
wow, well done going to visit the nursery in person. Looked nice. I did have to laugh when he mentined using pahiopideliums for cut flowers, I could swear I saw you freeze up in shock for a while at this revelation.
surprised he uses rockwool for his paphs but they did look great. I'm still trying to find what works for mine. Getting them to grow new roots doesn't seem to be their favorite thing to do. What do you use for your paphs?
Do you find they have a distinct rooting season?
I've expanded my collection getting a paph appletonianum. Last addition for the year. I'm sure you got yourself a paph too.
hey tom! yes, there were a lot of eye opening moments in our chat with Hans. including his media choice. ALL of his plants are grown in that, expect the mounted ones, of course. but otherwise, it doesn't matter the genera or size, or anything, he grows them all in the same media with essentially the same watering schedule. really i am most impressed that he does all the work himself and uses very little supplemental lighting. the heat is another issue, as we highlighted in our video.
for our paphs we use all semi-hydroponics. they love it in our conditions. 100% leca. we don't find they have rooting "seasons"...more they seem to push roots post-blooming, or during the early growth of new fans...but that is only anecdotal and not scientific observation! and no, we did not end up buying a paph :(. thanks for checking in, and if you can, try ordering from Hans, he has a massive selection of super healthy plants!!!
Hans Christiansen is a fine orchid grower, and I have enjoyed visiting his nursery. I will admit that I don't support his business as much as I would like. The main reason is that my two greatest orchid loves - Odontoglossums/Odontiodas and unifoliate Cattleyas - don't seem to interest him at all. He simply doesn't stock the plants I want. But it's sad that the one of the last remaining Danish orchid nurseries is struggling.
howdy Kim! agreed that he sells a lot of plants that we just cant grow or aren't interested in (mostly due to how big they can get). but, like you we hate to see the nurseries going out of business. also, lets just say that we have a lot of new plants to try and grow :), but honestly if his conditions will keep them alive, then our conditions should do as well, hahahah!
@@elpilarorchids One of the plants in the video, Bulbophyllum phalaenopsis, is definitely one I consider attractive - but it's hugely impractical in the home environment. Hans Christiansen's trademark is his rockwool culture, but I don't care for the material. I don't working with it at all, and I don't have the same feel for it as I do for bark and sphagnum. That is not to say that he isn't successful with it. Obviously he is - his plants look great.
@@kimdreyer4970 hahah, yeah, those bulbo phals were monstrous!! and the ones we saw were younger divisions. of sure we couldn't fit one in our apartment, but it would be cool!
I kinda get it, seems unsustainably wasteful using so much fossil fuels to commercially grow tropical plants in cold climates. The industry needs to innovate on ways to passively heat greenhouses if they want a future.
howdy Marco...we touched on that but it was in a part that was corrupted so we cant show you that discussion, unfortunately. a lot europeans (and germans) are trying to supplement/switch to biogas. but there has been little help from the governments to provide assistance to this experimental method. a few growers are using it, but he cant afford the startup costs on a new system. the queens greenhouse we mentioned, he told us that the computer system needs to be replaced and due to the age and all it would be a 50,000 euro computer upgrade. so now he opens all the windows manually and moves all the shade cloths manually....
talking to these guys really puts a lot of things into perspective.
@@elpilarorchids It’s a tragic situation and a great loss to the orchid community when these growers close for business. Would have been a fascinating discussion to listen to.
Can you explain the link between not allowing the public access into the growing spaces and taxes?
@@MarcoPolo-vb1sw tragic, indeed (but maybe not for planet earth in the long run, just us selfish orchid nerds!) as for the tax thing, my understanding is that the govt position is that the growers don't directly make money off production facilities, only sale spaces. so, the growers get different tax rates (based on square meters, like an apartment) for sales vs production. they get some different rates for heating and electricity for the different uses, so therefore are taxed at different rates for different spaces. therefore, only staff are allowed in the production facilities to prevent the public from "shopping" in this spaces....