So far the biggest downside of the hypercar era seems to be troubles for minor manufacturers. It is great that we have the variety of manufacturers that we do, but the environment for minor manufactures evidently hasn't been great. Glick and Vanwall are out, Isotta Fraschini hasn't had the easiest time, and shortly before the arrival of hypercars, Genetta struggled. It seems better to be a customer of a big manufacturer (such as the customer Porsches) than a minor manufacturer. With that said, I am optimistic about the chances of the Vanderwell 680 appearing at least once next year, and getting back in the fray for 2025.
Ultimately production costs are such a huge hurdle when producing these cars. And the somewhat larger manufacturers ultimately have an advantage in that front. But antimonopoly policy would make longer term survival for current independent and less known manufacturers viable, but unfortunately we in the US weren't able to really apply our antitrust/antimonopoly revolution to the automotive sector. Teams like Vanwall probably need their own sets of series and events where, for now, they won't be at a structural disadvantage. (It gets worse because some brands like Bugatti which some think are independent are really a part of a larger manufacturer's ecosystem.)
Yeah, as great as the Hypercar era is already proving to be it is a bummer that we're losing the privateers and oddities that make looking at old prototype grids so interesting. IMSA's road car volume requirement in particular feels especially harsh. Like from a commercial standpoint I get it, you don't want small teams with no resources or experience showing up, cheapening the series and potentially taking a spot away from a more competitive entry, but It would be nice if they'd consider granting case-by-case exceptions to those who can prove they won't just be taking up space. Vanwall's pedigree is... uh... questionable in that sense, but Glickenhaus could have had a decent run in IMSA with their hypercar given the chance.
I believe that the biggest factor for Vanwall Bykoles being ejected from the wec grid in 2024 is the lack of competitiveness that the car demonstrated during all the season, with moments (like in Le Mans) when the car was so slow than a P2 prototype or a regular GTE car. I hope they find their rhythm in the category if they return, but the car's performance needs to be improved a lot, because if you're going to spend time in the category, being among the last in the category, it's better to give up and leave another competitive team enter the place.
Well theu turned up without a hybrid or a working 4wd system. They just hoped the series will be dragged down to accommodate them. I think that's unfair on everyone else. Shame, because their car is beautiful
The Gibson engine couldn't even make the power requirement, hence why they were trying to change suppliers. Less power means the aerodynamics can't work as intended as drag will always impact the car more, so sometimes downforce is lost to try to negate this.
Privateers keys to racing in long term avoid 2008 almost all constructor’s pull out Red Bull F1 last off privateer they are stronger as constructors at one points McLaren’s Willams too with reduced budgets still possible
There is no reason why they shouldn’t receive an entry for next year, granted they can prove the validity of their new package. These guys have been around since 2009 and have supported the LMP1 class and the series as a whole during its darkest years. It seems the ACO only cares about loyalty when it’s suits their agenda.
Bykolles are hardly worth keeping around if they’re embarrassingly slow. They can’t even prove the legitimacy of the brand they’re using, let alone the pace of the car. I don’t see them getting an entry next year, if Hypercar gets a good BOP balance and manufacturers are happy.
@@coyy9106 I can tell you’re a new fan, because anyone who watches during the lmp1-h and lmp1 days would never call the Vanwall which is barely 3 seconds of Toyotas pace “painfully slow”. We used to have cars that were 15 seconds off the leaders times in the same class at Le Mans. Plus they do have the EU trademarks for the Vanderwell name and global trademarks for Vanwall. Once again, when the series expands to 40 cars and they can prove the validity of their package (ie removal of cooling issues) there is no reason as to why they shouldn’t be allowed.
@@motorsportfan1246Did you not watch every single WEC round in LMP1 when they were also slow? Miles behind every other privateer? The competition is higher. 3 seconds is a mile.
@@coyy9106 you can literally find the trademark online. I really don’t understand why you are so opposed to this entry. I would mixing rather have another hypercar than an Aston GT3 for example.
They should probably do what Alpine did by dropping to LMP2 and going to IMSA. That is, if they want to gain experience in sportscar racing and actually be decent.
They may not had the best rythm and results, but it's a small manufacturer, and this type of brands are what carried sporstcar racing since it's inception. FIA and ACO are killing them slowly. Hope they can come back. They deserve it.
Tbh, I think ByKolles should buy out the rights to the Vanwall name, revive the brand and get some funding by building road legal versions of the Vandervell V60. That seems to be what most LMH manufacturers are gravitating to (Aston Martin originally intended to do this to fund the Valkyrie project, Ferrari is rumored to be making a production version of their LMH car, and Isotta Fraschini is making a road going version of the Tipo 6C as well), and for a small team like ByKolles/Vanwall, it could help their efforts
@@fyfyi6053 Is it not a shame if you develop a car like this for... just 7 races? Is anyone surprised it couldn't fight with big manufacturers like Porsche & Ferrari? They had some big upgrades for 2024 but because the grid is very limited, they were kicked out. After all we will have Aston Martin in future, and maybe McLaren too. Meanwhile Peugeot didn't do shit in 2022 or 2023. But they're big, so they will never get kicked out. But small entries like Vanwall & Glickenhaus are easy to play with. Glickenhaus kept the class alive when it was racing against Toyota (along with an old 2018 Rebellion car rebranded as Alpine) now they have done their job and got the boot.
Always the same. The independent teams are put aside in name of the big manufacturers, than when the last ones pull the plug and retire the FIA end up with a no car championship. And they repeat the cycle. There is a saying attributed to Einstein: one could not expect different outputs from the sam inputs. Go figure ...
Well theu turned up without a hybrid or a working 4wd system. They just hoped the series will be dragged down to accommodate them. I think that's unfair on everyone else. Shame, because their car is beautiful
Thanks FJ. You’ve gotta have the little guys mixing it with the big guys. That’s the DNA of sports car racing. Honestly the answer/solution lies in the chosen circuits increasing their pit bay allocations. If all grade 1 circuits had 40-45 pits bays all entries could race..
Yep, Vanwall and Glick should had stayed, and get help from the organizators, we don't need five porsches and three ferraris, we want variety and teams to root for, nobody cares if they win or not, they won the hearts of the fans...
i think Asian Le mans can start move to open hypercar slot so some private team have a shot rather than push on WEC or IMSA. right now there were LMP2,LMP3 and GT
That was a nice looking race car. It was sad to see it tail end first after turn 1 sometimes. Plus it was fighting mostly with lmp2 cars… I would have loved to see low budget non hybrid hypercar sub category in WEC along Glick and Issetta.
It's honestly a criminal shame that we lost glickenhaus due to funding running dry, meanwhile vanwall has the funds but was downright terrible. Glickenhaus really surprised me at lemans, they were genuinely setting a good pace for a privateer entry. Other than those two crashes late in the race after the gravel pit outside of a corner got deeper and deeper they were doing freaking good, putting some major manufacturers to shame like peugeot and most of the porsches/caddies. I was really excited to see their pace in 2024 due to them having seniority like toyota and therefore having a better understanding of their car than the newcomers. I really dont understand why the WEC is so dead set on 37 spaces... is it really that important?? They have more than enough pits to accommodate an extra car or 2. I would have thought they would be eager to have as many manufacturers on the grid so they can boast in marketing about having 20 hypercars and manufacturer numbers rivaling group C. I dont get why both imsa and wec are so intent on limiting the grids on both their series. Glickenhaus deserves another season, either in imsa or wec. They along with toyota essentially saved the hypercar class during those rough years so it could flourish into what we have now.
Interesting comparison. Considering Nyck de Vries has taken Lopez seat at toyota for next season. And he used to drive for bykolles when they raced in lmp1.
@@mramaz1ngarry728 Yeah I’m talking about his time in f1. He still is a good driver but geez f1 wasn’t the series for him. All I’m trying to say is one bad year of results and boom, gone. I would expect 2-3 years for f1 or time in the WEC.
Ha ha. NIck landed on his feet with a Toyota Hyper Car ride. These guys will be begging for scraps on the street with all the other homeless losers in the world.
@@milesr4609 to be fair the reason devries was even there was helmut. he was too old for any realistic chance at another seat and had a chance to prove his talent and fumbled it. he embarrassed himself and helmut so he gott dropped
The increased performance, cost and complexity of the hybrid system and 4 factory teams with more coming basically makes privateer teams functionally uncompetitive unless they are just using customer cars. The option to not use the hybrid systems is just choosing to not be competitive except for in the rare circumstances where craziness happens on track. Certainly not truly competitive over the entire season.
I am increasingly suspicious of the Hypercar class. There is basically no support for fully privateer entries (not customer like AF Corse, Proton or Jota) and that would basically drop it back to the GTE issues where you had 4 manufacturers and increasingly less interest from customers to enter
I know the grid is limited but I wanted Vanwall to join WEC in 2024. I think the more manufacturers joins, the more exciting the race is going to be. It's also important for motorsports.
The rules that a competitor must satisfy are laid down in the WEC sporting regulations: 1. track record of the entrant 2. its interest for the championship 3. regular participation in either the series or its blue riband round, the Le Mans 24 Hours 4. the financial situation of the team with the organisers. They must also “submit a presentation dossier including information on the brand”, because the top class of the WEC is reserved for manufacturers of road cars. It's clear from WEC comments that Vanwall did not satisfy 1 or more of these criteria...
@@motorsportfan1246Privateers better than Vanwall. They’re a waste of space, always have been. They were only allowed in to add one more car to the always lacking LMP1 field. This was always going to happen.
This team, even tho it struggled almost every time with also some bad luck, it was on of my favorite LMH for 2 reasons : that livery very sober and gorgeous and of course his engine sound which is astonishing
@@milesr4609Well not really. How is that elitist? He doesn't seem to have an issue with Isotta and he's not wrong that the Vanwall would have probably been last in every race, what's the point of even having them on the grid then?
@@Maenfy then i imagine he really hated old F1 and old LM. What was the point of having Minardi back then?. See, thats was the point of the spirit of the sport, thats what the spirit of Le mans is all about, you could enter and participate among the big dogs moved by passion, thats what make all those small teams loved by the crowd. The colourfulness of the small privateers made this sport.
@@milesr4609 Well F1 and endurance racing are entirely different things but even MInardi were more valueable to F1 than Vanwall was to WEC. Minardi at least got some points. And yes I agree privateers are great but they add nothing if you already know where they are going to finish. You can literally imagine Vanwall next year and let them finish last place every race, nothing would change from the last season. I also haven't heard of anybody being a serious fan of Vanwall. JOTA or Proton actually have fans even though they use privateer Porsches.
@@Maenfy there some (dissapointed) Vanwall fans just for the looks of the car, is not all about having success, Minardi is still more loved and fondly remembered than ToroRosso/Alphatauri/wherever the f..is going to be called next. Not few wished for the Vanwall to do good once and for all, Spa could had been great if not for Villeneuve, the car was running solidly sometimes on the pace of the Glick, Dillman stint was great even managing to mantain a Porsche and a Toyota behind for a couple of laps while running on fifth place. I know that made some people happy. Sebring was a similar case. Clearly the potential was there, just not the resources... I would love to see the battle between Isotta, Glickenhaus and Vanwall. Having 5 Porsches allready doesn't look good thinking about the future of the series (mind the 80s and Porsche 956/962).
I'm fairly new to the hypercar scene, always glanced at the Le Mans series from time to time. Just recently watched Le Man's 100th anniversary and I was impressed. Personally I like the Peugot, although it's about 4th or 5th in pace from what I've seen overall. It just can't hold off the big boys enough. Why is Proton added? from what I've seen, that car just can't get it together...it's always self destructing. If the car is performing, and not deep frying on the track all the time like the Proton does, I think that car deserves the vote simply off being stable and reliable.
Isotta Fraschini is a legitimate brand, bringing a fully-fledged hybrid Hypercar. Bykolles has a reputation for being slow that they’ve spent the last 10 years building.
They've shown that they can compete...with LMP2 cars. This has been a backmarker car for the whole season. I'd love it if they were competitive or at least a midfield contender, but they just aren't. Isotta Fraschini is bringing another hybrid car to the table, which is more appealing to the WEC than a slightly faster LMP2 car.
With ALL those points, They made the Correct decision ( BOTH) for the "INTELLIGENT" REALITIES . . . Making Beneficiary Changes to Compete AGAIN IS FANTASTIC . . . 2023 Was A "DEVELOPMENT" YEAR for Them, with "REAL LIFE EXPERENCES" WITH "A BRAND NEW CAR" They KNOW how to make BETTER . . . Looking forward to Watching them Again when they Return . . .
they should've just bring back the true qualifying format, if they want 30 something cars, just let everyone qualify and the top 30 something get the grid for each race
And if teams have issues in Quali? Would suck to lose championship contenders and huge drivers over a 15 minute quali session. Traveling half the globe for some practice sessions doesn't sound that fun either.
This makes Glickenhaus look like a genius. All that money spent for no reason. WEC got this one wrong. Vanwall/Bykolles has been racing there for several years. Hope they at least give them a Le Mans entry
this better not be a trend where a independent manufacturer/privateer comes into the series, is running at the back like expected and is not invited back for the next season. Watch this song and dance come back this time next year but with Isotto Fraschini
@@RunningOn7CylindersYT Then don’t participate if you can’t afford to compete. You’re playing in the top class with the big dogs. Like seriously if you know you’re going to be at the back don’t waste everyone’s time. Maybe compete in a class you’ll actually be competitive in.
@@rexthewolf3149 so all the privateer runners in motorsport all around the world who do it for fun and to see what they can do should just give up and go home and leave it for the manufacturers?
i think wec should rework the lmp2 concept and make it a class for small almost garage teams manufacturers like vanwall and the like because the way it is now i see LMH reaching the same problem lmp1 and gt1 had eventually but with a cost cap so high only big teams can work with.
like... i guess so? lmp2 as it is is a spec class shoved into a awkward middle ground of a manufacturer centric competition, having it turned to a not so giantic budget proper prototype class that could atract smaller guys to fill it out wouldnt be that bad.
@@sch3ffel The problem with doing that is costs increase significantly, for not much gain. The entire reason IMSA ended up splitting the LMP2 and DPi fields into separate categories was DPi's cost; it just didn't make sense to develop a full powertrain, aero, and damper package when an off-the-shelf prototype was just as fast. Those cost factors eventually got DPI derestricted, with their overall pace being so extreme for the final few years that they were a full 2 seconds faster around Sebring than Toyota's Hypercar.
I have to say their absolutely horrendous pace made me wonder if they were going to be on the grid for 2024, yes small manufacturers and privateers are important But even i felt ashamed seeing them battling with GTs and LMP2s
I’ve read that they hired a former Bennetton F1 Team director that was supposed to analyse the team’s structure and proceedures so they could become more efficient and work smarter. So my guess is that they always thought 2024 was a write off and put the focus on 2025.
LMDh is the way to go TBH - the cars have basically LMP2 underpinnings which cost wise is better. The only thing you'd need to build is a new bodyshell and you can put whatever engine you want (LMP2 is limited to the Gibson V8). IMSA wrong footed ACO which coerced ACO and the FIA to allow LMDh race alongside LMH, because had they not the WEC's top class would've consisted of Toyota, Ferrari, Peugeot and whatever small boutique (and more ofthen than not uncompetitive) manufacturer wants to throw its hat in the ring. LMDh has on the other hand Porsche, Cadillac, Acura, BMW, Alpine and Lamborghini signed up (Audi was also going to use LMDh until the higher up's changed course to Formula 1).
This is just sad. Back then there were always slower teams and cars in endurance racing. If they want to continue to race, even if they are off the pace, they should get even more respect! That means the team is paying money with no hope of getting anything back! A few cars more on the grid is no problem at all. The more cars, the better!
Do you think it's possible to see them in 2024, for example at the 6H de Spa and the 24 H du Mans? The Pipo engine would be much more powerful than the Gibson engine. I think it's outrageous that the ACO would rather take a 3rd Ferrari AF Corse and even worse, 5 Multimatic/Porsche than the Vanwall!!!! Privateers manufacturers are very important!
I hope they do come back, I personally think they deserve a place in the WEC, the smaller teams should be encouraged for their hard work and enthusiasm, the big works entrants can come and go as they please, imho.
Yes we want to see if vanwall return in 2025 and we they will get a program for the vanwall new arrow and new engine and there will be no issues in the Vanwall vandervell 680
the choice to build your own car is not necessarily the best one without the financial resources and the right engine. It's better to use one of the 4 LMDH chassis, with the hybrid system supplied, make a few alterations like the others to give it a unique style, and prepare a good little engine. Vanwall could have made this choice. And shouldn't the ELMS, and maybe the ALMS, do like IMSA, some races with only part of the field, so that Hypercars (LMH or LMDH) can come and compete? We could see private or factory teams with a Glickenhaus or a Vanwall, but also others like a private Cadillac, a Honda rebadged Acura, a Peugeot Team Pescarolo, a Nissan rebadged Alpine, the Audi developed in 2022, and other projects... Okay, just a dreamer 🙄😉
Well the question is do Hypercar teams even want to race in ELMS / AsLMS? Most teams just race there to get a Le Mans slot. Their grids are full as well though.
My $0.02: Poor performance has never stopped ByKolles. I think the only Le Mans they even did halfway well at was the Virtual Le Mans of 2020. I'm not even sure they've *finished* a real world Le Mans. They had *so many* humiliating defeats, and they kept coming back for more. I hope they get to at least keep trying at Le Mans and Spa. Maybe they can just go to all but one race of the seasons, and hopefully do better with their new engine.
It may sound too easy but being a ''world sports car championship'' they should indeed put as many manufacturers in as possible, so having a 3rd customer ferrari is bullshit imo, especcialy when it replaces a whole brand.
Well "World Endurance Championship" also means having the best drivers / teams / cars in the world. The Vanwall was just shit in every aspect. It didn't have pace or reliability, what would be the point in letting them race?
@@TommusDee Well they are trying for about 10 years now and haven't even finished once in Le Mans yet. I also doubt any serious driver wants to race such a shitbox.
Looks like LMH/LMDh could be a means to attract big manufacturers. Independent/privateer teams could built their own car but as we see in Glick & Vanwall, they STRUGGLE, I dont know much but even with BoP maxed to favor them (highest power, lowest weight) , they could still cannot compete for podium at least (Glick did better in mid field, but Vanwall just got DNFs). Even on Fuji, one LMP2 outqualify Vanwall.
Sports car racing is always in a state of flux, going through boom and bust periods every few years. They don't need to be turning away entries if they can help it just because things are booming right now. There needs to be a way for the Vanwalls of the sport to at least be able to turn up to the track and pre-qualify if they can get within 107% or so of the pace of the class-leading Toyotas and Ferraris.
This is what I was worried about…it’s so good that Endurance racing is getting big, but here comes the gatekeeping. No more little guys allowed. Glickenhaus is gone. Vanwall is out. Let’s see how far the LMP2 Italian copy will survive.
No wonder . In a hybrid era , you go with a conventional one . What they expect? To come near their performance , Fia should have put a 500kg ballast to all the lmh/lmdh. I don’t get why bykolles do this things…. I mean you have the money ok , you’ve not than go in gt3 class . Work with Dallara (they had built the r8 and the r18 they know how to make race cars)they made a road car just convert it in a gt3 !!!!
Vanwall car as no chance with the other hypercars. But hear me on this, if Vanwall hypercar was faster then the Ferrari or Porsche, they would be in the grid. There is space on rhe grid. FIA didnt wanted to put Vanwall on the grid
I know the limit is due to plane space and stuff but I’d rather see a 45 or 50 car grid, with Hypercar, Lmp2, GT3, than 37 with hypercar and gt3 at every race but la mans. But I don’t know what all the logistics put into packing up the cars for races it would be amazing to see such large grids with what it seems that there’s so much buzz around endurance racing right now with the great first hypercar season.
For those people who disappointing privateers were being removed,this is not the case. This Bykolles (Vanwall) team is absolutely pathetic,from history record, competitiveness and the fact they still have problems with name legal right issue. Almost every privateer can't compete manufacturers with budget, infrastructure. But at least some them of trying to compete. This team organised and competitively is below average as a privateer team,they just basically have attitude of only just participate other than that they don't give a damn,they don't deserve to stay
I totally agree, I was more sad about glickenhaus shutting down but Vanwall, I was never a fan of the pathetic attempt to get a ancient link of a manufacturer from the 50's to get into WEC Hypercar Class, that alone made dislike them, and your comments echoes my thoughts perfectly about that hole shenanigans of a team Called By Kholes Vanwall Racing
This is the fucked up thing with the ACO atm. Vanwall and anyone else that wants to enter literally can’t & they have no where else to go. Then in 5 years time when manufacturers are leaving because of costs who is there to come back in? Exactly…. They’re turning ACO racing into a closed shop where only certain people are allowed to take part.
The argument that there is no space is just pure BS. In 2025 there is apparently space on the same tracks for 40 cars. FIA apparently just doenst want them, for whatever reason mentioned in this video.
How is that bullshit? Is 2025 2024? They most likely won't race at COTA and Imola in the future or double stack the GT3 entries, that won't happen next year though.
While your episode may well be fact, these are not justifiable arguments against the 680 entry. Essentially the WEC/FIA are acting outside the spirit of the sport, imagine if a decision was made like this back in the fifties or sixties, no I don’t think so. While I’m a diehard Alfa/Ferrari enthusiast, engine specific factory/customer entries (Porsche and Ferrari for example) should be limited before single entries should as Vanwall and Glickenhaus are essentially forced aside. … and for all the armchair critics out there, there will always be the winners and the ones who have terrible years, this is motorsport, with enormous challenges, to be on the grid in the first place demands respect and encouragement.
Glickenhaus retired themselves out of the championship for lack of fundings, they didnt attract a sponsor or investors to put money on the project and whitout the money to develop or even test the car is just a waste of time and money to keep racing when the car aldready proved that didnt have the pace compared to the big manufacturers. That´s not FIA/ACO fault. And Vanwall is essentially ByKolles Racing, a team that has been racing in Le Mand for around 10 years and didnt completed the 24 hour race even once, they have the record actually, which aldready proves that they just cant develop a competitive car, not even a reliable car which is a must in an endurance series. They car this year couldnt keep up even with the LMP2s, let alone the other hypercars, at that point they are just wasting a place on the gird that other teams such as Isotta Fraschini could use better than them.
Also the LMH/LMDh ruleset already benefits the privateers since they are cars way more cheaper to build than the old LMP1s, the thing is that the big manufacturers not only have more money, but they also have better facilities, more employees, they can run a big number of tests on their cars... Those are things that are out of control for the FIA/ACO, because those are the things that makes a manufacturer big and not a privateer. You just cant force brands like Porsche or Ferrari to underdevelop their prototypes, it wouldnt be fair. Everyone should be able to do everything they can do with the tools they have.
That is true because THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS. This is not fantasy land. 99 times out of 100. Goliath kicks David's ass and makes him his b****.
6:32: That is why this is such a fraud. This is somebody BUYING the right to use an historical racing name that HAS NOTHING TO DO with the iconic team from the 1950s. People, this is By Kolles Racing that has been running different sports cars and prototypes since 2009 WITH NO SUCCESS. Stop the pity and tears. Jonah, did you even know this or are you like all the other misinformed masses? The information is online if anyone ever bothered to look.
I am not misinformed. In fact I try my best to provide the correct information to viewers, I wouldn’t provide any information if I knew it wasn’t correct. If there was anything not correct, it would a mistake, nothing more… I have been keeping up to date with the Vanwall / By Kolles situation since the very announcement back in early 2022 and By Kolles’s difficult results beforehand. For this video and the majority of my video, I am only here to provided the facts, I try to have no bias. All I want is to provide content to my viewers on endurance racing.
ACO has been absolutely ridiculous in the recent year. from the way they treated Toyota during le man. They way they treated Glickenhause The way they didn't let Peugeot race from the middle of the season And now they are kicking out Vanwall for Ferrari? Who do they think they are? Let the most dedicated teams race, that is all we ask for. None of this Ferrari bias.
How is this Ferrari bias? Multiple teams joined, not just Ferrari. But the Ferrari adds way more than the Vanwall. If a car is always last I don't see a point in them "competing".
So far the biggest downside of the hypercar era seems to be troubles for minor manufacturers. It is great that we have the variety of manufacturers that we do, but the environment for minor manufactures evidently hasn't been great. Glick and Vanwall are out, Isotta Fraschini hasn't had the easiest time, and shortly before the arrival of hypercars, Genetta struggled. It seems better to be a customer of a big manufacturer (such as the customer Porsches) than a minor manufacturer.
With that said, I am optimistic about the chances of the Vanderwell 680 appearing at least once next year, and getting back in the fray for 2025.
Ultimately production costs are such a huge hurdle when producing these cars. And the somewhat larger manufacturers ultimately have an advantage in that front. But antimonopoly policy would make longer term survival for current independent and less known manufacturers viable, but unfortunately we in the US weren't able to really apply our antitrust/antimonopoly revolution to the automotive sector. Teams like Vanwall probably need their own sets of series and events where, for now, they won't be at a structural disadvantage. (It gets worse because some brands like Bugatti which some think are independent are really a part of a larger manufacturer's ecosystem.)
I already miss clickenhaus 😢sad to see them go
Ginetta struggled from the very beginning.
Yeah, as great as the Hypercar era is already proving to be it is a bummer that we're losing the privateers and oddities that make looking at old prototype grids so interesting.
IMSA's road car volume requirement in particular feels especially harsh. Like from a commercial standpoint I get it, you don't want small teams with no resources or experience showing up, cheapening the series and potentially taking a spot away from a more competitive entry, but It would be nice if they'd consider granting case-by-case exceptions to those who can prove they won't just be taking up space. Vanwall's pedigree is... uh... questionable in that sense, but Glickenhaus could have had a decent run in IMSA with their hypercar given the chance.
I believe that the biggest factor for Vanwall Bykoles being ejected from the wec grid in 2024 is the lack of competitiveness that the car demonstrated during all the season, with moments (like in Le Mans) when the car was so slow than a P2 prototype or a regular GTE car.
I hope they find their rhythm in the category if they return, but the car's performance needs to be improved a lot, because if you're going to spend time in the category, being among the last in the category, it's better to give up and leave another competitive team enter the place.
Well theu turned up without a hybrid or a working 4wd system. They just hoped the series will be dragged down to accommodate them. I think that's unfair on everyone else. Shame, because their car is beautiful
@@tyronnezx Beautiful cars aren't always the best on the track, but I hope they can figure out some ways to regain their place in Wec.
The Gibson engine couldn't even make the power requirement, hence why they were trying to change suppliers. Less power means the aerodynamics can't work as intended as drag will always impact the car more, so sometimes downforce is lost to try to negate this.
Privateers keys to racing in long term avoid 2008 almost all constructor’s pull out Red Bull F1 last off privateer they are stronger as constructors at one points McLaren’s Willams too with reduced budgets still possible
@@AlainBelanger-nd2ehexcept in F1 privateers don't exist. They're either owned by manufacturer, company, or private equity
There is no reason why they shouldn’t receive an entry for next year, granted they can prove the validity of their new package. These guys have been around since 2009 and have supported the LMP1 class and the series as a whole during its darkest years. It seems the ACO only cares about loyalty when it’s suits their agenda.
Bykolles are hardly worth keeping around if they’re embarrassingly slow.
They can’t even prove the legitimacy of the brand they’re using, let alone the pace of the car. I don’t see them getting an entry next year, if Hypercar gets a good BOP balance and manufacturers are happy.
@@coyy9106 I can tell you’re a new fan, because anyone who watches during the lmp1-h and lmp1 days would never call the Vanwall which is barely 3 seconds of Toyotas pace “painfully slow”. We used to have cars that were 15 seconds off the leaders times in the same class at Le Mans. Plus they do have the EU trademarks for the Vanderwell name and global trademarks for Vanwall. Once again, when the series expands to 40 cars and they can prove the validity of their package (ie removal of cooling issues) there is no reason as to why they shouldn’t be allowed.
@@motorsportfan1246Did you not watch every single WEC round in LMP1 when they were also slow? Miles behind every other privateer?
The competition is higher. 3 seconds is a mile.
@@motorsportfan1246Vanwall still isn’t their brand, and it’s openly disputed.
@@coyy9106 you can literally find the trademark online. I really don’t understand why you are so opposed to this entry. I would mixing rather have another hypercar than an Aston GT3 for example.
They should probably do what Alpine did by dropping to LMP2 and going to IMSA. That is, if they want to gain experience in sportscar racing and actually be decent.
They may not had the best rythm and results, but it's a small manufacturer, and this type of brands are what carried sporstcar racing since it's inception.
FIA and ACO are killing them slowly.
Hope they can come back. They deserve it.
I think you should just back Isotta Fraschini for now, let's hope they can do well
It was stated that their pace was one of the main reason why they got the boot on SC365
with the statement they want re homoligation, they are essentially going back to the drawing board.
Tbh, I think ByKolles should buy out the rights to the Vanwall name, revive the brand and get some funding by building road legal versions of the Vandervell V60. That seems to be what most LMH manufacturers are gravitating to (Aston Martin originally intended to do this to fund the Valkyrie project, Ferrari is rumored to be making a production version of their LMH car, and Isotta Fraschini is making a road going version of the Tipo 6C as well), and for a small team like ByKolles/Vanwall, it could help their efforts
What a shame for Vanwall 😢 very disappointing.
Shame for Vanwall ?
What on earth are u talking about
@@fyfyi6053 Is it not a shame if you develop a car like this for... just 7 races? Is anyone surprised it couldn't fight with big manufacturers like Porsche & Ferrari? They had some big upgrades for 2024 but because the grid is very limited, they were kicked out. After all we will have Aston Martin in future, and maybe McLaren too. Meanwhile Peugeot didn't do shit in 2022 or 2023. But they're big, so they will never get kicked out. But small entries like Vanwall & Glickenhaus are easy to play with. Glickenhaus kept the class alive when it was racing against Toyota (along with an old 2018 Rebellion car rebranded as Alpine) now they have done their job and got the boot.
Always the same. The independent teams are put aside in name of the big manufacturers, than when the last ones pull the plug and retire the FIA end up with a no car championship.
And they repeat the cycle.
There is a saying attributed to Einstein: one could not expect different outputs from the sam inputs.
Go figure ...
They're not competitive and up against Ferrari, why is competitive and Ferrari.
Well theu turned up without a hybrid or a working 4wd system. They just hoped the series will be dragged down to accommodate them. I think that's unfair on everyone else. Shame, because their car is beautiful
Thanks FJ. You’ve gotta have the little guys mixing it with the big guys. That’s the DNA of sports car racing. Honestly the answer/solution lies in the chosen circuits increasing their pit bay allocations. If all grade 1 circuits had 40-45 pits bays all entries could race..
I would prefer a Vanwall over a 3rd Ferrari
Yep, Vanwall and Glick should had stayed, and get help from the organizators, we don't need five porsches and three ferraris, we want variety and teams to root for, nobody cares if they win or not, they won the hearts of the fans...
i think Asian Le mans can start move to open hypercar slot so some private team have a shot rather than push on WEC or IMSA. right now there were LMP2,LMP3 and GT
And that will bring more manufacturers attention to the series and get endurance racing more attention in the asian countries
Its a win, win
ByKolles has been around a long time, but they have also been uncompetitive for that time.
EXACTLY! You know your history. See my other comment.
That was a nice looking race car. It was sad to see it tail end first after turn 1 sometimes. Plus it was fighting mostly with lmp2 cars… I would have loved to see low budget non hybrid hypercar sub category in WEC along Glick and Issetta.
I thought hypercar was already the low budget alternative to LMP1. Wouldn't the low budget alternative to hypercar be LMP2?
Colin Kolles is the guy who led the Lotus/Caterham team in F1, so it is not a surprise he might`ve made another mistake.
It's honestly a criminal shame that we lost glickenhaus due to funding running dry, meanwhile vanwall has the funds but was downright terrible. Glickenhaus really surprised me at lemans, they were genuinely setting a good pace for a privateer entry. Other than those two crashes late in the race after the gravel pit outside of a corner got deeper and deeper they were doing freaking good, putting some major manufacturers to shame like peugeot and most of the porsches/caddies. I was really excited to see their pace in 2024 due to them having seniority like toyota and therefore having a better understanding of their car than the newcomers. I really dont understand why the WEC is so dead set on 37 spaces... is it really that important?? They have more than enough pits to accommodate an extra car or 2. I would have thought they would be eager to have as many manufacturers on the grid so they can boast in marketing about having 20 hypercars and manufacturer numbers rivaling group C. I dont get why both imsa and wec are so intent on limiting the grids on both their series. Glickenhaus deserves another season, either in imsa or wec. They along with toyota essentially saved the hypercar class during those rough years so it could flourish into what we have now.
Well what else are they supposed to do? They don't have infinite pit boxes and can't transport that many cars all over the world.
37 cars is the maximum number of pit boxes at all the tracks on the calendar and IMSA is at max capacity for it's biggest races next season.
The first year and vanwall is gone. Almost a Nick de Vries situation.
Interesting comparison. Considering Nyck de Vries has taken Lopez seat at toyota for next season. And he used to drive for bykolles when they raced in lmp1.
@@mramaz1ngarry728 Yeah I’m talking about his time in f1. He still is a good driver but geez f1 wasn’t the series for him. All I’m trying to say is one bad year of results and boom, gone. I would expect 2-3 years for f1 or time in the WEC.
Ha ha. NIck landed on his feet with a Toyota Hyper Car ride. These guys will be begging for scraps on the street with all the other homeless losers in the world.
@@adrianp3098 blame the ruthless machine named Helmut Marko, that geezer almost ruined several drivers careers singlehandely.
@@milesr4609 to be fair the reason devries was even there was helmut. he was too old for any realistic chance at another seat and had a chance to prove his talent and fumbled it. he embarrassed himself and helmut so he gott dropped
4:25 didn't they get classified at Bahrain? Like P33 or something
The increased performance, cost and complexity of the hybrid system and 4 factory teams with more coming basically makes privateer teams functionally uncompetitive unless they are just using customer cars.
The option to not use the hybrid systems is just choosing to not be competitive except for in the rare circumstances where craziness happens on track. Certainly not truly competitive over the entire season.
I am increasingly suspicious of the Hypercar class. There is basically no support for fully privateer entries (not customer like AF Corse, Proton or Jota) and that would basically drop it back to the GTE issues where you had 4 manufacturers and increasingly less interest from customers to enter
I know the grid is limited but I wanted Vanwall to join WEC in 2024. I think the more manufacturers joins, the more exciting the race is going to be. It's also important for motorsports.
The rules that a competitor must satisfy are laid down in the WEC sporting regulations:
1. track record of the entrant
2. its interest for the championship
3. regular participation in either the series or its blue riband round, the Le Mans 24 Hours
4. the financial situation of the team with the organisers.
They must also “submit a presentation dossier including information on the brand”, because the top class of the WEC is reserved for manufacturers of road cars. It's clear from WEC comments that Vanwall did not satisfy 1 or more of these criteria...
Vanwall boss said their 2024 would have been very competitive which is sad if true
Colin Kolles says a lot of things.
@@coyy9106 so does Laudenbach and Leupen. Stop being a shill for the big manufacturers, this sport was built on privateers
@@motorsportfan1246Privateers better than Vanwall. They’re a waste of space, always have been. They were only allowed in to add one more car to the always lacking LMP1 field.
This was always going to happen.
2:26 "some them" = Glickenhaus?
I believe he was referring to some of the requirements not being met by Vanwall.
This team, even tho it struggled almost every time with also some bad luck, it was on of my favorite LMH for 2 reasons : that livery very sober and gorgeous and of course his engine sound which is astonishing
Great decision. Not point having cars that are totally off the pace when there's others waiting to join who will add to the competition
We have an elitist right here...
@@milesr4609Well not really. How is that elitist? He doesn't seem to have an issue with Isotta and he's not wrong that the Vanwall would have probably been last in every race, what's the point of even having them on the grid then?
@@Maenfy then i imagine he really hated old F1 and old LM. What was the point of having Minardi back then?. See, thats was the point of the spirit of the sport, thats what the spirit of Le mans is all about, you could enter and participate among the big dogs moved by passion, thats what make all those small teams loved by the crowd. The colourfulness of the small privateers made this sport.
@@milesr4609 Well F1 and endurance racing are entirely different things but even MInardi were more valueable to F1 than Vanwall was to WEC. Minardi at least got some points.
And yes I agree privateers are great but they add nothing if you already know where they are going to finish. You can literally imagine Vanwall next year and let them finish last place every race, nothing would change from the last season. I also haven't heard of anybody being a serious fan of Vanwall. JOTA or Proton actually have fans even though they use privateer Porsches.
@@Maenfy there some (dissapointed) Vanwall fans just for the looks of the car, is not all about having success, Minardi is still more loved and fondly remembered than ToroRosso/Alphatauri/wherever the f..is going to be called next.
Not few wished for the Vanwall to do good once and for all, Spa could had been great if not for Villeneuve, the car was running solidly sometimes on the pace of the Glick, Dillman stint was great even managing to mantain a Porsche and a Toyota behind for a couple of laps while running on fifth place. I know that made some people happy. Sebring was a similar case. Clearly the potential was there, just not the resources...
I would love to see the battle between Isotta, Glickenhaus and Vanwall.
Having 5 Porsches allready doesn't look good thinking about the future of the series (mind the 80s and Porsche 956/962).
I'm fairly new to the hypercar scene, always glanced at the Le Mans series from time to time. Just recently watched Le Man's 100th anniversary and I was impressed. Personally I like the Peugot, although it's about 4th or 5th in pace from what I've seen overall. It just can't hold off the big boys enough. Why is Proton added? from what I've seen, that car just can't get it together...it's always self destructing. If the car is performing, and not deep frying on the track all the time like the Proton does, I think that car deserves the vote simply off being stable and reliable.
Why is Isota Fraschini in, but not these guys. Vanwall has shown they can compete.
Isotta Fraschini is a legitimate brand, bringing a fully-fledged hybrid Hypercar. Bykolles has a reputation for being slow that they’ve spent the last 10 years building.
They've shown that they can compete...with LMP2 cars. This has been a backmarker car for the whole season. I'd love it if they were competitive or at least a midfield contender, but they just aren't. Isotta Fraschini is bringing another hybrid car to the table, which is more appealing to the WEC than a slightly faster LMP2 car.
The have shown exactly opposite of that.....
Compete? They are slower than the LMP2 in some races and as he said, their reliability record was abysmal.
Well for starters Isotta Fraschini are bringing a hybrid engine...
With ALL those points, They made the Correct decision ( BOTH) for the "INTELLIGENT" REALITIES . . . Making Beneficiary Changes to Compete AGAIN IS FANTASTIC . . . 2023 Was A "DEVELOPMENT" YEAR for Them, with "REAL LIFE EXPERENCES" WITH "A BRAND NEW CAR" They KNOW how to make BETTER . . . Looking forward to Watching them Again when they Return . . .
they should've just bring back the true qualifying format, if they want 30 something cars, just let everyone qualify and the top 30 something get the grid for each race
And if teams have issues in Quali? Would suck to lose championship contenders and huge drivers over a 15 minute quali session.
Traveling half the globe for some practice sessions doesn't sound that fun either.
thats interesting concept if a team 1. has a car and, 2. travel bucks.
as to the other comment, what about competition is eluding?
I can’t wait to see Aston Martin and Honda there. Wow.
I hope to see them return, 2025 would be fine
This makes Glickenhaus look like a genius. All that money spent for no reason. WEC got this one wrong. Vanwall/Bykolles has been racing there for several years. Hope they at least give them a Le Mans entry
this better not be a trend where a independent manufacturer/privateer comes into the series, is running at the back like expected and is not invited back for the next season. Watch this song and dance come back this time next year but with Isotto Fraschini
Then don’t be at the back.
@rexthewolf3149 yes its so easy. Just outspend Porsche, Toyota, GM and Peugeot
@@RunningOn7CylindersYT Then don’t participate if you can’t afford to compete. You’re playing in the top class with the big dogs.
Like seriously if you know you’re going to be at the back don’t waste everyone’s time. Maybe compete in a class you’ll actually be competitive in.
@@rexthewolf3149 so all the privateer runners in motorsport all around the world who do it for fun and to see what they can do should just give up and go home and leave it for the manufacturers?
I don't think they should outcompete the big guys... Maybe just not be racing LMP2s and GTEs...
i think wec should rework the lmp2 concept and make it a class for small almost garage teams manufacturers like vanwall and the like because the way it is now i see LMH reaching the same problem lmp1 and gt1 had eventually but with a cost cap so high only big teams can work with.
So DPi, but way slower? Because that's what you just described.
like... i guess so? lmp2 as it is is a spec class shoved into a awkward middle ground of a manufacturer centric competition, having it turned to a not so giantic budget proper prototype class that could atract smaller guys to fill it out wouldnt be that bad.
@@sch3ffel The problem with doing that is costs increase significantly, for not much gain. The entire reason IMSA ended up splitting the LMP2 and DPi fields into separate categories was DPi's cost; it just didn't make sense to develop a full powertrain, aero, and damper package when an off-the-shelf prototype was just as fast. Those cost factors eventually got DPI derestricted, with their overall pace being so extreme for the final few years that they were a full 2 seconds faster around Sebring than Toyota's Hypercar.
I have to say their absolutely horrendous pace made me wonder if they were going to be on the grid for 2024, yes small manufacturers and privateers are important
But even i felt ashamed seeing them battling with GTs and LMP2s
them re-joining with a re-worked car in 2025 would be nice. I'd rather them take the 40th slot than say yet another customer 963.
I’ve read that they hired a former Bennetton F1 Team director that was supposed to analyse the team’s structure and proceedures so they could become more efficient and work smarter. So my guess is that they always thought 2024 was a write off and put the focus on 2025.
LMDh is the way to go TBH - the cars have basically LMP2 underpinnings which cost wise is better. The only thing you'd need to build is a new bodyshell and you can put whatever engine you want (LMP2 is limited to the Gibson V8). IMSA wrong footed ACO which coerced ACO and the FIA to allow LMDh race alongside LMH, because had they not the WEC's top class would've consisted of Toyota, Ferrari, Peugeot and whatever small boutique (and more ofthen than not uncompetitive) manufacturer wants to throw its hat in the ring. LMDh has on the other hand Porsche, Cadillac, Acura, BMW, Alpine and Lamborghini signed up (Audi was also going to use LMDh until the higher up's changed course to Formula 1).
One problem though. You need to prove you can produce 2500 car a year minimum if you want to make LMDh in IMSA
This is just sad.
Back then there were always slower teams and cars in endurance racing.
If they want to continue to race, even if they are off the pace, they should get even more respect!
That means the team is paying money with no hope of getting anything back!
A few cars more on the grid is no problem at all.
The more cars, the better!
Well more cars are a problem if they can't be transported to the track and when they don't have pit boxes there.
Do you think it's possible to see them in 2024, for example at the 6H de Spa and the 24 H du Mans? The Pipo engine would be much more powerful than the Gibson engine. I think it's outrageous that the ACO would rather take a 3rd Ferrari AF Corse and even worse, 5 Multimatic/Porsche than the Vanwall!!!! Privateers manufacturers are very important!
I hope they do come back, I personally think they deserve a place in the WEC, the smaller teams should be encouraged for their hard work and enthusiasm, the big works entrants can come and go as they please, imho.
Race by race entries seems more expensive, though, and this is bad considering they are a small company
I am very sad to hear this
Yes we want to see if vanwall return in 2025 and we they will get a program for the vanwall new arrow and new engine and there will be no issues in the Vanwall vandervell 680
The exclusion was right, and i think that we will not see again Vanwall in WEC in the future
the choice to build your own car is not necessarily the best one without the financial resources and the right engine. It's better to use one of the 4 LMDH chassis, with the hybrid system supplied, make a few alterations like the others to give it a unique style, and prepare a good little engine. Vanwall could have made this choice.
And shouldn't the ELMS, and maybe the ALMS, do like IMSA, some races with only part of the field, so that Hypercars (LMH or LMDH) can come and compete? We could see private or factory teams with a Glickenhaus or a Vanwall, but also others like a private Cadillac, a Honda rebadged Acura, a Peugeot Team Pescarolo, a Nissan rebadged Alpine, the Audi developed in 2022, and other projects... Okay, just a dreamer 🙄😉
Well the question is do Hypercar teams even want to race in ELMS / AsLMS? Most teams just race there to get a Le Mans slot. Their grids are full as well though.
1 place offered to the best LMH/LMDH performer in the series ELMS/ALMS for Le Mans @@Maenfy , is it possible?
Pescarolo?
I rather have more cars that can fight for Top 5s than a hypercar as fast as the best LMP2 cars.
I hope they come back soon
My $0.02: Poor performance has never stopped ByKolles. I think the only Le Mans they even did halfway well at was the Virtual Le Mans of 2020. I'm not even sure they've *finished* a real world Le Mans. They had *so many* humiliating defeats, and they kept coming back for more.
I hope they get to at least keep trying at Le Mans and Spa. Maybe they can just go to all but one race of the seasons, and hopefully do better with their new engine.
It may sound too easy but being a ''world sports car championship'' they should indeed put as many manufacturers in as possible, so having a 3rd customer ferrari is bullshit imo, especcialy when it replaces a whole brand.
Well "World Endurance Championship" also means having the best drivers / teams / cars in the world. The Vanwall was just shit in every aspect. It didn't have pace or reliability, what would be the point in letting them race?
@@Maenfy always room for improvement, and you can put those "best" drivers in there, helps the pace aswel
@@TommusDee Well they are trying for about 10 years now and haven't even finished once in Le Mans yet. I also doubt any serious driver wants to race such a shitbox.
@@Maenfy ye also true, but just sad to see such a iconic car disappear for now
Looks like LMH/LMDh could be a means to attract big manufacturers.
Independent/privateer teams could built their own car but as we see in Glick & Vanwall, they STRUGGLE, I dont know much but even with BoP maxed to favor them (highest power, lowest weight) , they could still cannot compete for podium at least (Glick did better in mid field, but Vanwall just got DNFs).
Even on Fuji, one LMP2 outqualify Vanwall.
Sports car racing is always in a state of flux, going through boom and bust periods every few years. They don't need to be turning away entries if they can help it just because things are booming right now. There needs to be a way for the Vanwalls of the sport to at least be able to turn up to the track and pre-qualify if they can get within 107% or so of the pace of the class-leading Toyotas and Ferraris.
Rest In Peace King of LMP2
This is what I was worried about…it’s so good that Endurance racing is getting big, but here comes the gatekeeping. No more little guys allowed. Glickenhaus is gone. Vanwall is out. Let’s see how far the LMP2 Italian copy will survive.
Manufacturers should be prioritized over customer teams.
No wonder . In a hybrid era , you go with a conventional one . What they expect? To come near their performance , Fia should have put a 500kg ballast to all the lmh/lmdh. I don’t get why bykolles do this things…. I mean you have the money ok , you’ve not than go in gt3 class . Work with Dallara (they had built the r8 and the r18 they know how to make race cars)they made a road car just convert it in a gt3 !!!!
Vanwall car as no chance with the other hypercars. But hear me on this, if Vanwall hypercar was faster then the Ferrari or Porsche, they would be in the grid. There is space on rhe grid. FIA didnt wanted to put Vanwall on the grid
Dont forget, vanwall got rejected from Hypercar, yes. But Audi and Mercedes got rejected from LMGT3 as well! For the same reason as vanwall.
I know the limit is due to plane space and stuff but I’d rather see a 45 or 50 car grid, with Hypercar, Lmp2, GT3, than 37 with hypercar and gt3 at every race but la mans. But I don’t know what all the logistics put into packing up the cars for races it would be amazing to see such large grids with what it seems that there’s so much buzz around endurance racing right now with the great first hypercar season.
Need a different class for the privateer hypercars
For those people who disappointing privateers were being removed,this is not the case. This Bykolles (Vanwall) team is absolutely pathetic,from history record, competitiveness and the fact they still have problems with name legal right issue.
Almost every privateer can't compete manufacturers with budget, infrastructure. But at least some them of trying to compete. This team organised and competitively is below average as a privateer team,they just basically have attitude of only just participate other than that they don't give a damn,they don't deserve to stay
I totally agree, I was more sad about glickenhaus shutting down but Vanwall, I was never a fan of the pathetic attempt to get a ancient link of a manufacturer from the 50's to get into WEC Hypercar Class, that alone made dislike them, and your comments echoes my thoughts perfectly about that hole shenanigans of a team Called By Kholes Vanwall Racing
They should limit each team to 2 hypercars, if Ferrari, Porsche, Toyota and others have 3 cars each, there will simply be no space for others
That's what they are doing already but there is nothing to prevent privateer cars so JOTA, Proton and the 3rd AF Ferrari are fair game.
This is the fucked up thing with the ACO atm. Vanwall and anyone else that wants to enter literally can’t & they have no where else to go. Then in 5 years time when manufacturers are leaving because of costs who is there to come back in? Exactly…. They’re turning ACO racing into a closed shop where only certain people are allowed to take part.
The argument that there is no space is just pure BS.
In 2025 there is apparently space on the same tracks for 40 cars.
FIA apparently just doenst want them, for whatever reason mentioned in this video.
How is that bullshit? Is 2025 2024? They most likely won't race at COTA and Imola in the future or double stack the GT3 entries, that won't happen next year though.
Well, I guess today was gonna be the day that they gonna throw it back to you.
The fact that the only other non hybrid independent team (Glickenhaus) walked over them is a sign that Vanwall were not gonna last.
Vanwall Vanderwell 680,King 👑of the LMP2’s😂
It makes sense why there getting rejected from the WEC coz LMP2 is also getting rejected from the WEC
While your episode may well be fact, these are not justifiable arguments against the 680 entry.
Essentially the WEC/FIA are acting outside the spirit of the sport, imagine if a decision was made like this back in the fifties or sixties, no I don’t think so.
While I’m a diehard Alfa/Ferrari enthusiast, engine specific factory/customer entries (Porsche and Ferrari for example) should be limited before single entries should as Vanwall and Glickenhaus are essentially forced aside.
… and for all the armchair critics out there, there will always be the winners and the ones who have terrible years, this is motorsport, with enormous challenges, to be on the grid in the first place demands respect and encouragement.
Glickenhaus retired themselves out of the championship for lack of fundings, they didnt attract a sponsor or investors to put money on the project and whitout the money to develop or even test the car is just a waste of time and money to keep racing when the car aldready proved that didnt have the pace compared to the big manufacturers. That´s not FIA/ACO fault. And Vanwall is essentially ByKolles Racing, a team that has been racing in Le Mand for around 10 years and didnt completed the 24 hour race even once, they have the record actually, which aldready proves that they just cant develop a competitive car, not even a reliable car which is a must in an endurance series. They car this year couldnt keep up even with the LMP2s, let alone the other hypercars, at that point they are just wasting a place on the gird that other teams such as Isotta Fraschini could use better than them.
Also the LMH/LMDh ruleset already benefits the privateers since they are cars way more cheaper to build than the old LMP1s, the thing is that the big manufacturers not only have more money, but they also have better facilities, more employees, they can run a big number of tests on their cars... Those are things that are out of control for the FIA/ACO, because those are the things that makes a manufacturer big and not a privateer. You just cant force brands like Porsche or Ferrari to underdevelop their prototypes, it wouldnt be fair. Everyone should be able to do everything they can do with the tools they have.
Perhaps they should have went the LMDh route instead of building their own HyperCar from the ground up.
No space nonsense. 6 Hours of Spa in 2011 had over 50 cars on track. Yes it was compined with ILMC but still. Tey should raise the max number!
Yeah but Spa isn't the issue. Fuji, Imola or COTA for example have much less pit boxes compared to Spa.
@@Maenfy Thats a very good point:)
Well with lmp2 not being in the race They would have no one to race against.
I was under the impression that Vanwall and Glickenhaus didn’t use the same hybrid system as the rest of the class
That is true because THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS. This is not fantasy land. 99 times out of 100. Goliath kicks David's ass and makes him his b****.
Thats sad so are they still racing in something
Es una pena que se castigue a un equipo privado que con gran esfuerzo y sin los grades aupiciadores se mantiene en carrera
I think point 4 should have been "no hybrid"
shame the non hybrids are just not as fast as the hybrids
Such a big shame
car needs a hybrid system to better suit future racing regulations
sacre bleu!
They removed the best sounding car of the grid 😭
Well they swapped the engine now anyways.
They should partner with alfa romeo, nog that there out of f1.
i was thinking it could go to IMSA butthey don't build customer cars
This may be stupid and it's just a theory, but the fact that Vanwall would be the only non-hybrid on the grid didn't help.
It's not Le Mans if you can't see ByKolles dnf 😭
6:32: That is why this is such a fraud. This is somebody BUYING the right to use an historical racing name that HAS NOTHING TO DO with the iconic team from the 1950s. People, this is By Kolles Racing that has been running different sports cars and prototypes since 2009 WITH NO SUCCESS. Stop the pity and tears. Jonah, did you even know this or are you like all the other misinformed masses? The information is online if anyone ever bothered to look.
I am not misinformed. In fact I try my best to provide the correct information to viewers, I wouldn’t provide any information if I knew it wasn’t correct. If there was anything not correct, it would a mistake, nothing more… I have been keeping up to date with the Vanwall / By Kolles situation since the very announcement back in early 2022 and By Kolles’s difficult results beforehand. For this video and the majority of my video, I am only here to provided the facts, I try to have no bias. All I want is to provide content to my viewers on endurance racing.
I'm glad that they won't be there.
Imsa could take them.
Another failed Colin Kolles WEC adventure. How does this guy afford all this failure.
It's a money laundering scheme. That's how he can do it.
ByeKolles
Van hitting the wall?
Yucks.... pls use other names if they ever come back...
The FIA brown-nosing Ferrari yet again? That's a surprise...said no one, ever.
The Fia focusing on an actual serious entry over the shite Vanwall entry? That is a surprise....said no one, ever.
I rather have more factory teams than customer teams
Very very bad car and drivers...
ACO has been absolutely ridiculous in the recent year.
from the way they treated Toyota during le man.
They way they treated Glickenhause
The way they didn't let Peugeot race from the middle of the season
And now they are kicking out Vanwall for Ferrari?
Who do they think they are?
Let the most dedicated teams race, that is all we ask for.
None of this Ferrari bias.
How is this Ferrari bias? Multiple teams joined, not just Ferrari. But the Ferrari adds way more than the Vanwall. If a car is always last I don't see a point in them "competing".