I can't grasp how pain in the @$$ these women are, want to be traditional, yet modern. She says she wants marriage, but would no doubt cheat on him, take half of his assets, and ruin his life.
exactly right. modern women look at a marriage license like a loaded gun to use on a whim. signing a license is nothing more than signing a slave sale with the man becoming the wallet, jester, and slave.
As the saying goes: "a man marries a woman and hopes she never changes, a woman marries a man and wants to change everything about him". Men marry the finished product, women marry a pile of raw material. The interesting thing is that, if the man allows her to change him, she'll fall out of love and leave him. "You're not the man I married!" That's why a marriage turns into a grim power struggle, the wife always chipping away at the man over the smallest of things while the man resists the changes. Both end up miserable. Stay single. Let them change themselves.
In the end she proved him correct about marriage. If they had been married and broken up for whatever reason, her recriminatory behavior would have been much much worse.
The man told her day 1 what it was but she tried to wear him down and force him to change. If marriage was that important to her, she should have been an adult and broke up with him and find a man who wanted marriage. But most of these "modern" women are mentally children
The problem in this situation in the real world is the part where they keep deflecting. when they know it's a problem that you should deal with, the longer you kick a can down the road the bigger that can gets
Um..she’s dumb he gave u an out and you tried to change his mind instead of just moving on and finding someone who shares the want to marry. I don’t care for marriage but I respect the foundation of it and those who opt for it it’s just not for me personally if I did change my thought process and decide to get married she’d have to be one hell of a partner. And I doubt anyone would ever make me feel like that no matter how much I did love them. This is a story of conflicting interests when there should have Ben a break up the moment that their ideals were not aligned. Then she destroyed his property even more dumb.
It's not as if he wasn't straight with her , marriage isn't for everyone, but she had to keep pushing . I think if she wanted a wedding ring that desperately she should have found someone else....
@lovecrafth649 he was straight from the start...marriage is NOT on the table, but in typical female delulu fashion, she thought she could change him. Oh well!
He did not want to get married she wanted to get married and when he wouldn't bow down and give her what she wanted her own selfish way she just vandalized his vehicle. That shows her own true self.
People change over years. Love is never forever. Temptation is always around even if your not looking for it. So many don't realize how long marriage is. A life long commitment that is nonstop work and complicated.
THE FEEL I WAS PLAYING BY HIS RULES??? HE SAID NO MARRIAGE, NOW YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES, OR HAVE AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP SO YOU CAN MONKEYBRANCH??? NO REASON TO STAY WITH HER. GO AHEAD FIND SOMEONE ELSE AND THAT'S IT. BYE
Girlfriends are better than wives. They're easier to get rid of. I don't care how much you love her today, there probably will come a day when you wish she would just leave.
...leaving clothes at my place... My wife did this when she came to visit for the weekend but I was in on it. I had been living with my parents after divorcing my first wife and gaining custody of my one and three year old sons. My parents were helping me with the boys until my, then, girlfriend started coming for weekends. We celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary last month.
I don’t understand people saying they’re on the woman’s side. She’s nuts. She had the option to leave it anytime. She had a commitment every day from the guy but yet she wanted stuff she could post on Pinterest. She could post on Instagram. She wanted a big party with her as a star that’s what she was after, she had a perfectly good relationship that she ruined but of course when she said oh I wanna start screwing other guys so I can monkey branch with someone better he said, knock herself out and he left
With divorce stats being what they are, calling marriage "commitment" is such a joke and a lie. "If I'm not happy, I want to leave ", is the attitude many have and that's no commitment. Marriage just makes the process more complicated and costly when the relationship does end. Not living together, he doesn't even have to be concerned with getting her moved out or him moving out.
Sorry dude, but you should have broken up long before this. Once she starts with the wedding talk even after you said you wouldn't ever marry, it's over. Like most women, she expected you to change everything about yourself to become what she wanted. Funny thing is, that would have been the reason she cheated on you after marriage, because you changed, and she would need something on the side to regain the thrill. He did give her the ultimate open relationship, being single. Yeah, I'll destroy his car, that will make him marry me. And never thought she had done anything wrong.
What's with that the man have to pay? Ain't you strong and independent and zhe hole marriage thing. Well ONLY after my asset are waterprove secured and a Marriage Contract is signed.
Think she is wasting her time if he just wants a casual girlfriend. Is he getting all the benifits with out any commitments Move on girl you can do a lot better
BS. Women are getting the same benefits. Everyone likes sex, male and female. I get tired of this attitude that the man is taking something from a woman when she has sex with him. She's getting just as much back. If women don't like sex why do so many of them have triple-digit body counts? How many of those guys paid for the privilege? How many of them committed?
What benefits was he getting that she didn’t get? Sex. Companionship. If she could’ve done better, she should’ve done better from the start. She didn’t. Likely, he was the best she could do considering how she persisted in trying to make some that wasn’t into something else.
From the last thoughts in the jail, It doesn't seem like she had feeling for him either. More likes attachment tò his bank account (like a LOT of women)
No. This is false. There is no benefit for a man to get married in the modern age. The woman does not matter at all. Even the most loving traditional girl in the world is just as vulnerable to the wyminist mind-virus. And suddenly, {POOF} a hateful shrew is taking your kids, your home, your belongings, and your retirement, because she’s ’not happy’.
No. When a man says he isn't going to marry, believe him. He truly believes he will be destroyed when the marriage breaks. Most do. Marriage is an unfair financial arrangement, skewed towards women. Even prenups are a joke.
And this is why you wait till you’re married to have sex. It would surely solve a lot of relationship problems. Would hear women cry all the time that there are no good men. Men would actually have to respect women. No one can really give an argument against this other than “I can do what I want.”
He loves milk but doesn't want to own a cow so she should have ghosted him because even tho she loves him his views and values are not inline with hers and what she wants
I think I finally found one of these stories that the girl was in the right (mostly,) There are so many stories on this thread where the guy/BF/husband is the one trying to hold on to a dead relationship. This time it was the girl. This dude was never going to change. You have it 3 years. You should have given it 1 at best. Of.by that time you didn't have at least a drawer and spent at least 2 nights a week at his place, it was never going to happen.
@davidnash8208 I feel she was in the right because she needed to move on. Like I said before, she should have been gone in 1 year. If he isn't looking forward to move on into a more stable relationship within a year, he'll never commit. Furthermore, he sees a way out if he ever does find the one. I'm not saying he was wrong to be up front about his intentions. It's just, if you're not going to go further in a relationship, then don't be in one at all. Just sleep around. Don't allow for tooth brushes to be left behind. That way, no feeling will grow in the future.
@@revparisking The problem is that people assume there is a progression from dating to living together to marriage. But that is no longer the case for many people, they stop at living together. If one person is clear that is as far as they are willing to go, the other is not in a position to complain if they still don't want marriage later on.
Dude was the exact reflection of her. He wanted to have her and didn't even commit a little bit - didn't move in with her, nothing planned for future. He just stood in place, stagnant. She was a crazy nut, all right, but he was equally responsible for all this drama. No one says he has to marry her or change himself - but to just force her to live a life of hanging out? It's like buying a car and never driving it. Not even getting inside to sit in front of the wheel. This guy represents, controversially, what makes the modern hook-up culture so toxic from masculine side. He wanted commitment to the level of hook ups, that's all. She was quite right to ask for an open relationship - they were in it already, without sleeping with other people. } PS I didn't hear any word about cheating, sleeping around from both of them, neither about them moving in together( I understand that they spent between 3 to 5 years together dating that way). The girl was just trying to develop her relationship in any possible way (with or without marriage between them)- but they stood in place like two teenagers that can't get together fully. This lad wasn't only against marriage - he was against any form of commitment. Like I said, he wanted to have the cake and eat the cake, and she was reflecting it in the end.
she dodged a bullet, the guy was a child, afraid of life and commitment. Hopefully she met a man in her future. By the way, the child ends up the cheater because like a child they make up their own rules.
He was afraid of exactly what happened. Being with an immature sociopath. Anyone who vandalizes your property because you don’t give them what they want is the child in this situation. He was smart to not budge off his square. She played the ultimatum game and didn’t get the response she wanted so she decided to act out like a child. Funny. You don’t recognize the immature person in this situation and it speaks volumes about your character. Don’t get upset when a man who has choices exercise them. Celebrate it as women do when they exercise their choices.
Sorry I am on her side on this one. I think she would have been fine with no marriage, but this dude was no everything. Really no reason to stay in a l9ng term relationship with this gut.
i think this is the first time i am with the woman on this one............. relationships evolve and change it's not like you'll be living separate lives in 10 years
Dude straight up said he wasn't going to marry, she did not listen and she tried to force him to change, she should have left him when he said no to being marry
@@Geo97Ut I get that I respect that but did he seriously expect her to still be living separately as boyfriend and girlfriend after 5 years? Relationships change they rarely stay as they start
@@jokerthief1946 I know people here are gonna blame the woman and she does deserve some of the blame but I am sure she ever foresaw that after 3 years they are still just boyfriend and girlfriend
I can't grasp how pain in the @$$ these women are, want to be traditional, yet modern. She says she wants marriage, but would no doubt cheat on him, take half of his assets, and ruin his life.
Yeah, from the sound of the story, she really had an eye on his wallet and what he could provide
exactly right. modern women look at a marriage license like a loaded gun to use on a whim. signing a license is nothing more than signing a slave sale with the man becoming the wallet, jester, and slave.
She thought she could change him. She was wrong.
All women think like this 😂
As the saying goes: "a man marries a woman and hopes she never changes, a woman marries a man and wants to change everything about him". Men marry the finished product, women marry a pile of raw material. The interesting thing is that, if the man allows her to change him, she'll fall out of love and leave him. "You're not the man I married!" That's why a marriage turns into a grim power struggle, the wife always chipping away at the man over the smallest of things while the man resists the changes. Both end up miserable. Stay single. Let them change themselves.
In the end she proved him correct about marriage. If they had been married and broken up for whatever reason, her recriminatory behavior would have been much much worse.
NEVER get married, never let them leave anything at your place, no mail sent to your place, trash it if they leave something
I love her thinking she could be a crazy "B" and he would come running back.
The man told her day 1 what it was but she tried to wear him down and force him to change. If marriage was that important to her, she should have been an adult and broke up with him and find a man who wanted marriage. But most of these "modern" women are mentally children
Gotta love that flawed logic...NOT! Damaging a man's car will NOT make him take you back!
@@infojunkieworld I know right? Women think that hurting men or his stuff will magically make them more desirable.
A relationship is symbolised by a ring, a ring encircles and excludes all others. Once the circle is broken it can never be repaired.
The problem in this situation in the real world is the part where they keep deflecting. when they know it's a problem that you should deal with, the longer you kick a can down the road the bigger that can gets
Um..she’s dumb he gave u an out and you tried to change his mind instead of just moving on and finding someone who shares the want to marry. I don’t care for marriage but I respect the foundation of it and those who opt for it it’s just not for me personally if I did change my thought process and decide to get married she’d have to be one hell of a partner. And I doubt anyone would ever make me feel like that no matter how much I did love them. This is a story of conflicting interests when there should have Ben a break up the moment that their ideals were not aligned. Then she destroyed his property even more dumb.
Never let them move in. Also, get a vasectomy so you don’t get trapped.
It's not as if he wasn't straight with her , marriage isn't for everyone, but she had to keep pushing . I think if she wanted a wedding ring that desperately she should have found someone else....
@lovecrafth649 he was straight from the start...marriage is NOT on the table, but in typical female delulu fashion, she thought she could change him. Oh well!
"What's your 5 year Plan"?....Lmao. BYE.
Communist have five year plans, not relationships
@@theresidentteacher2438 definitely not with her.
He did not want to get married she wanted to get married and when he wouldn't bow down and give her what she wanted her own selfish way she just vandalized his vehicle. That shows her own true self.
People change over years. Love is never forever. Temptation is always around even if your not looking for it. So many don't realize how long marriage is. A life long commitment that is nonstop work and complicated.
THE FEEL I WAS PLAYING BY HIS RULES??? HE SAID NO MARRIAGE, NOW YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES, OR HAVE AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP SO YOU CAN MONKEYBRANCH??? NO REASON TO STAY WITH HER. GO AHEAD FIND SOMEONE ELSE AND THAT'S IT. BYE
Steve a smart man, getting married is like having a GF and she takes half and monthly payments after the break up 😅
Girlfriends are better than wives. They're easier to get rid of. I don't care how much you love her today, there probably will come a day when you wish she would just leave.
Yeah she ain’t right in the head didn’t get her way and she had a hissy fit, she so insecure she lets other influence her relationship
It's not so much that she wants marriage per se or idealizes the institution. She's envious of her friends.
I know Maggie is going to regret bringing up open marriage when Steve leave her
Steve is the G.O.A.T.
...leaving clothes at my place...
My wife did this when she came to visit for the weekend but I was in on it. I had been living with my parents after divorcing my first wife and gaining custody of my one and three year old sons. My parents were helping me with the boys until my, then, girlfriend started coming for weekends. We celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary last month.
He was upfront with her from the start. She thought she can change him. Well that didn't work out for her
Steve's philosophy, why buy the cow when you can have the milk for free. She should have seen that from the start.
Why buy the cow when you find out later you were only renting it and it wants half your stuff as a parting gift
@@BetaRayBill-yx9eb That is what prenups are for.
I know couples that have been together 50 plus years and never married, they split expenses 50/50. Keep going MGTOW Gentlemen
She was jealous of her friends and the attention and validation from the bragging on social media.
I don’t understand people saying they’re on the woman’s side. She’s nuts. She had the option to leave it anytime. She had a commitment every day from the guy but yet she wanted stuff she could post on Pinterest. She could post on Instagram. She wanted a big party with her as a star that’s what she was after, she had a perfectly good relationship that she ruined but of course when she said oh I wanna start screwing other guys so I can monkey branch with someone better he said, knock herself out and he left
With divorce stats being what they are, calling marriage "commitment" is such a joke and a lie. "If I'm not happy, I want to leave ", is the attitude many have and that's no commitment. Marriage just makes the process more complicated and costly when the relationship does end. Not living together, he doesn't even have to be concerned with getting her moved out or him moving out.
Common law should be abolished!
Typical of the theme, "why buy the cow when you get the milk free" this is the same case
He missed the biggest red flag; she likes pineapple on pizza.
Sorry dude, but you should have broken up long before this. Once she starts with the wedding talk even after you said you wouldn't ever marry, it's over. Like most women, she expected you to change everything about yourself to become what she wanted. Funny thing is, that would have been the reason she cheated on you after marriage, because you changed, and she would need something on the side to regain the thrill. He did give her the ultimate open relationship, being single. Yeah, I'll destroy his car, that will make him marry me. And never thought she had done anything wrong.
What's with that the man have to pay? Ain't you strong and independent and zhe hole marriage thing. Well ONLY after my asset are waterprove secured and a Marriage Contract is signed.
Only pross-tee-tutes demand payment for sex.
Steve is the goat. does not put up with any of her tricks or territorial moves
This girl is a selfish....
Dude was a dead end, no future don’t waste your time.
Think she is wasting her time if he just wants a casual girlfriend. Is he getting all the benifits with out any commitments
Move on girl you can do a lot better
BS. Women are getting the same benefits. Everyone likes sex, male and female. I get tired of this attitude that the man is taking something from a woman when she has sex with him. She's getting just as much back. If women don't like sex why do so many of them have triple-digit body counts? How many of those guys paid for the privilege? How many of them committed?
What benefits was he getting that she didn’t get? Sex. Companionship. If she could’ve done better, she should’ve done better from the start. She didn’t. Likely, he was the best she could do considering how she persisted in trying to make some that wasn’t into something else.
@@matthewgaines10 good answer
When a guy tells you he doesn’t want to get married- What he’s really saying is”he doesn’t want to marry you”. She should have broken up immediately.
From the last thoughts in the jail, It doesn't seem like she had feeling for him either.
More likes attachment tò his bank account (like a LOT of women)
Not necessarily, or even usually. Some men are philosophically opposed to marriage. I’m not, but some are. There are reasons for it.
Oooorrr, He just doesn't Want to get Married. To ANYONE. Ain't rocket science.
No. This is false.
There is no benefit for a man to get married in the modern age. The woman does not matter at all.
Even the most loving traditional girl in the world is just as vulnerable to the wyminist mind-virus. And suddenly, {POOF} a hateful shrew is taking your kids, your home, your belongings, and your retirement, because she’s ’not happy’.
No. When a man says he isn't going to marry, believe him. He truly believes he will be destroyed when the marriage breaks. Most do. Marriage is an unfair financial arrangement, skewed towards women. Even prenups are a joke.
And this is why you wait till you’re married to have sex. It would surely solve a lot of relationship problems. Would hear women cry all the time that there are no good men. Men would actually have to respect women. No one can really give an argument against this other than “I can do what I want.”
He loves milk but doesn't want to own a cow so she should have ghosted him because even tho she loves him his views and values are not inline with hers and what she wants
What is she angry about
He told her from the beginning
this bloke doesnt know what he wants, go for it girl.
She thought asking to screw other men would make him marry her???
Another nut trying to change someone and not listening them
Blaming the other person for being honest
I think I finally found one of these stories that the girl was in the right (mostly,) There are so many stories on this thread where the guy/BF/husband is the one trying to hold on to a dead relationship. This time it was the girl. This dude was never going to change. You have it 3 years. You should have given it 1 at best. Of.by that time you didn't have at least a drawer and spent at least 2 nights a week at his place, it was never going to happen.
He was honest from the beginning. How was she in the right?
@davidnash8208 I feel she was in the right because she needed to move on. Like I said before, she should have been gone in 1 year. If he isn't looking forward to move on into a more stable relationship within a year, he'll never commit. Furthermore, he sees a way out if he ever does find the one. I'm not saying he was wrong to be up front about his intentions. It's just, if you're not going to go further in a relationship, then don't be in one at all. Just sleep around. Don't allow for tooth brushes to be left behind. That way, no feeling will grow in the future.
@@revparisking The problem is that people assume there is a progression from dating to living together to marriage. But that is no longer the case for many people, they stop at living together. If one person is clear that is as far as they are willing to go, the other is not in a position to complain if they still don't want marriage later on.
So he's a modern man and she's not a modern woman
I'm sure she had to pay for his car too
he would not give her marriage so then she tried to get him to agree so she could Monkey Branch
PATHETIC STORY, EACH REPEATING THE SAME STUPIDITIES TWICE IN A HORRIBLE PATHETIC TONE SPITTING THE SAME STUPIDITIES.
Honestly first time I side with the woman. Not Even living together wtf. She should leave
Me to
So if a guy is getting sex from a woman he should pay? Why shouldn't she have to pay him? She's getting sex too.
Bunch of incels in these comments.
Dude was the exact reflection of her. He wanted to have her and didn't even commit a little bit - didn't move in with her, nothing planned for future. He just stood in place, stagnant. She was a crazy nut, all right, but he was equally responsible for all this drama. No one says he has to marry her or change himself - but to just force her to live a life of hanging out?
It's like buying a car and never driving it. Not even getting inside to sit in front of the wheel.
This guy represents, controversially, what makes the modern hook-up culture so toxic from masculine side. He wanted commitment to the level of hook ups, that's all. She was quite right to ask for an open relationship - they were in it already, without sleeping with other people. }
PS
I didn't hear any word about cheating, sleeping around from both of them, neither about them moving in together( I understand that they spent between 3 to 5 years together dating that way). The girl was just trying to develop her relationship in any possible way (with or without marriage between them)- but they stood in place like two teenagers that can't get together fully. This lad wasn't only against marriage - he was against any form of commitment. Like I said, he wanted to have the cake and eat the cake, and she was reflecting it in the end.
Pineapple on pizza is a sin against man and God.
she dodged a bullet, the guy was a child, afraid of life and commitment. Hopefully she met a man in her future. By the way, the child ends up the cheater because like a child they make up their own rules.
He was afraid of exactly what happened. Being with an immature sociopath.
Anyone who vandalizes your property because you don’t give them what they want is the child in this situation. He was smart to not budge off his square. She played the ultimatum game and didn’t get the response she wanted so she decided to act out like a child. Funny. You don’t recognize the immature person in this situation and it speaks volumes about your character.
Don’t get upset when a man who has choices exercise them. Celebrate it as women do when they exercise their choices.
Sorry I am on her side on this one. I think she would have been fine with no marriage, but this dude was no everything. Really no reason to stay in a l9ng term relationship with this gut.
i think this is the first time i am with the woman on this one............. relationships evolve and change it's not like you'll be living separate lives in 10 years
Dude straight up said he wasn't going to marry, she did not listen and she tried to force him to change, she should have left him when he said no to being marry
You're right. This guy was so much about his own boundaries that he stopped at high school level of drama. Both were worth of each other.
@@Geo97Ut I get that I respect that but did he seriously expect her to still be living separately as boyfriend and girlfriend after 5 years? Relationships change they rarely stay as they start
@@jokerthief1946 I know people here are gonna blame the woman and she does deserve some of the blame but I am sure she ever foresaw that after 3 years they are still just boyfriend and girlfriend
@@chrisj.1608 She reacted to him. He never told her clearly that he won't commit at all - he just said "i dont want marriage".
Another nut trying to change someone and not listening them
Blaming the other person for being honest