The MOST STABLE Home Bike Repair Stand?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Reviewing the Park PCS 10.3 and Feedback Sports Pro Elite bike stands.
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One big difference with the Feedback is that you have to re-adjust the clamp *every time* you remove and re-mount the bike. With the Park, the clamp is set for whatever post width you last used.
I've had my feedback stand for almost 8yrs now. love it. its my favorite at stand.
I sold the Feedback and got the Park Tool for two main reasons. It is very cumbersome to clamp a bike on the top tube/horizontally (which I do all the time as I have no seat post space) and the 3 long legs get in the way. The clamp is also slower to tighten than the Park Tool. Finally, the Park Tool stand is more stable when you work on the bike.
Great video on the two most popular stands out there. I had the previous version of the PCS 10 and used the hell out of it for years. It finally rusted and became a chore to set up after I had run over the legs a few times with the cars. I finally sold it a few months ago and bought the Feedback Pro. It's light, a snap to set up, and I dig the panic button design but two real problems for me are the clamp orientation when it comes to aero seat posts and how I constantly struggle with pedal strikes against the center pole due to the vertical orientation. The instability is also bothersome but manageable. I found if I threw some 10lb ankle weights over two of the rear facing feet it solved that problem. I think at this point I'm going back to the Park but I'll probably keep the Feedback Pro for a light, packable stand as mentioned.
Russ, Your sound quality in this video is on point!
I've had the Park Professional shop stand for over 30 years, with a cast iron base that's so heavy I can barely lift it. Unbelievably expensive, but unbelievably good! I would say that unless portability is important to you, go for a proper workshop stand rather than a folding one.
Thanks for this review. I don't do major work on my bikes but a bike stand was a great investment even for simple tasks like cleaning/lubricating the chain, etc.
Your review covers all the bases and certainly matches my experience in using these stands. I have learned the hard way that my Rivendell Sam Hillborne and Feedback Ultimate Pro do not play nice together. I have used the Park and while nice doesn't have the fit and finish of the Feedback. The fold is awkward and doesn't store as nice but it does have the Park Tool quality that you would expect. My Cinelli work stand that I purchased in 1985 is my go to stand. Heavy bikes and folding bike repair stands are just an accident waiting to happen.
I had the earlier version of the PCS 10, and the bottom legs and that button system are quite a pain every time you open or close the stand. Good to see they improved it, but it something to keep an eye on if you buy used. I definitely would not buy the original again if I had the choice.
Also I thought buying a handlebar holder accessory was silly, but it is SO useful.
I had the elite pro for one day and returned it. Tipped over in multiple orientations. My bike is worth way more to me than the rack. Got the Park. Its Awesome.
Great vid.
I got the Elite, returned it next day. Got the 10.3. My old stand was a tripod..
I've noticed the same things about the Feedback Sports stand I have. It is very tippy, especially if your bike turns in the seat post clamp, but I do like how small it stows down.
I have the previous version of the Park stand, and it's safely held all my bikes, including a Surly, Big Fat Dummy, which is 8" long and roughly 52lbs. After more than six years of use, I consider it money well spent.
Thanks Russ! Whatever brand you choose, I’ll say this - if you’re a regular cyclist who does any maintenance at all, a decent stand will change your life. Once you have one you won’t know how you ever lived without one. A good stand makes virtually every aspect of bike maintenance easier and quicker.
I've been one of those guys that would say a stand was a waste of money; use a curb, stone, branch, wall, turn it over whatever.
but after having used my mates stand I'll say that they are incredibly useful.
II chose to purchase the Park Tool PCS-4-2 deluxe home mechanic bicycle repair stand back in September. I use it for my '06 Trek Multitrack 7500. The stand is very stable and easily holds my 33-1⁄4 Lb. bike very nicely. My stand and other Park Tools and The Big Blue Book of Bicycle Repair have been great additions.
I have the feedback stand, and I never knew about the saddle rest feature. Thanks for the tip!
Very good, clear and thorough analysis. Thank you for this.
Hey! Great video! Super appreciate the comparisons and info!!
Well done!
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I have the PCS 10 for home use and just after a couple of years, it's paid for itself. My next favorite thing to do besides riding is tinkering with my bikes and making sure they are all in excellent condition. I went with the Park Tool because I have a 50 pound ebike and it holds rock solid and stable.
I've been using the feedback sports stand since april 2020. I agree with your assessment of it, except for tripping of the middle leg. I do wish it came with a tool tray like the park tools. I especially like that I can fold it up and pack it away neatly. I have a small 1-bedroom with very little storage space! I'd definitely consider the park tools stand if I were to move to a bigger place in the future.
I bought the Park years ago because of the feet-design (as little area waist as possible) and the stability (steel bikes, fat bikes). It never dissapointed me!
It’s my birthday tomorrow and I’m currently sat next to my new 10.3 but have to wait lol! Just watching videos on it and Even more excited seeing all the great reviews
My wife gifted me with an aluminum Bikehand brand stand rated for 55# that is similar to the Park Tool version. It's ok for light use mostly due to the clamp. The pro of it that I also see for the Feedback Sports is the ability to wash the bike on the stand and not worry about the stand rusting. The compact size folded is also a big plus.
I always enjoy your reviews. I have the ParkTool (PCS-10.2) and I’ve had the stand collapse on me twice. The bottom clamp just doesn’t always secure that great. The one collapse was a gravel bike I just finished rebuilding - it crashed in my garage while I was fetching tools. Not a pretty site or sound.
Call Park Tools - they have a free fix for this for the 10.2 .
I have a cheapo Cycle Pro Mechanic Stand from Amazon. Very similar to the PT stand but a lot cheaper. It does the trick without breaking the bank.
I store it by hanging it from one of the rafters in the garage by using the clamp section as a hook.
I have the Feedback Sports stand. I often put a dumbbell on a leg to keep it more stable when I’m putting my heavy Long Haul Trucker on it for repair.
I got Uniors bike stand for 240€ last week, it have a similar design to the park one and are profoundly stabile and held up my 25kg e bike all weekend while I was doing a bunch of minor work on it.
I wish I had gotten the stand last year when I started working on my bike it really makes everything so much easier.
I have the aluminum Team Issue Repair Stand from Park Tools. Its the PRS-25. More comparable to the Feedback Sports Stand in terms of portability, weight and price, but with a more stable three-point leg system similar to the steel Park design. One benefit of the PRS-25 leg folding design over the PCS-10.3 is that the legs fold up completely against the main leg. Highly recommend the PRS-25 to anyone who is only going to own a single stand.
One of th best bike tool investments I made was my Magura folding bike stand I bought about 20yrs ago. Unfortunately, they don't make it anymore but the Park's foldable stand looks to be close in proximity to what I have. It's pretty stable, lightweight and very capable of holding any of the bikes in my stable or my daughter's 14" one speed. Get a bike stand folks. "No ragrets!"
Just got a cheaper stand for the first time and it’s a lot like the Feedback. I hadn’t thought of the portability part and using out on the road so I’m excited to try that.
I have had the Feedback stand for about 6 years. When hanging bikes by the nose of the saddle, I find that placing the nose between the open clamp pads reduces the pedal strikes on the center mast. Based on another comment, I will have to try a sandbag on the rear leg to increase stability. Excellent comparison. I might have to go Park for my next stand. Portability isn't paramount for my needs. Pedal strikes on the center mast do annoy the f*ck out of me tho, and they happen a lot with my fat bike.
I clamp my 35lb touring bike to the Feedback stand and have not had issues with which was the legs are oriented. Great for my road bike too.
As a photographer myself, I use a typical 25lbs sand bag on my Feedback stand. Holds my 33lbs full suspension MTB in nearly every angle I’ve placed it. Have even had the front wheel pointing straight up to the ceiling without issue.
Also, the Feedback’s tripod legs would appear to be more stable in a location like a trail or grassy field where the ground might not be level or flat.
If the rest of the world knew where to find a decent sandbag... Nothing would ever fall over again.
@@BangTheRocksTogether Grocery tote bag full of rocks. Or rice packets. Or bean cans.
@@fotografamos4083 I'm fond of having a grip crew around to carry sandbags for me. But I'm spoiled and I know it.
Thanks! Mine is a 20 year-old Spin Doctor from Performance Bike that still works like new :-)
I have a much older (12 years) version of the Park stand - believe me, the new version looks much easier to assemble and store! Mine is a pain to set up but, once up, is super stable and, if it eventually wears out, I will buy the newer version.
Thanks for the review! I've owned a Performance Bike tripod (now a Topeak brand) for the past 6 years. Looks very similar to the Feedback and sometimes wonder if Feedback had built or designed this. Anyhow, I've had the same issues and am considering buying the Park PCS 10.3. It appears it would solve the tipping issue, sag issue and tripping on tripod issue. OH and I'm getting more and more annoyed with striking the pedal issue now that I no longer at all take my bikes to an lbs for repairs. Time for a new stand....
I use a £5 saw horse bought from Homebase, as a race stand, it has a hole drilled through the side for the quick release / through axle to go through. Had it for a few years now and it folds down flat about half the size of the feedback sport stand pictured here. I keep in under the couch.
I have the previous version (10.2) of the Parktool stand, replacing a Topeak stand with same architecture as Feedback stand, that was not rigid enough for heavy bikes.
My only complaint about the PCS 10.2 seems to be corrected in this new 10.3 version: there were not correct blocking mecanism, other than friction, for the two legs joint (I am using a pedal strap to avoid the mecanism to slide up, and that works fine). Otherwise, the rigidity and clamp are far better than with the Topeak stand, making the ParkTool stand more pleasant to use (and usable with electric bikes).
I have folded the stand only once; now it is always unfolded and ready to be used in the garage. With its architecture, the ParkTool can be stored unfolded against a wall (as it is explained in this video) and does not take a lot more place than a bike or two, which can be parked underneath; this was not manageable with the Topeak stand, which must be unfolded then folded (into its bag which was delivered with the stand) every time...
Had some issues with the Clamp in the 10.2, Despite the tightened lower clamp (at the bottom of the tube), it happened to me that the stand slowly folded in and my e-bike tipped over twice.
But great customer service from Parktool, I got a revised clamp free of charge, which now prevents this 100%.
Park tool is the one I use and prefer. I've got a heavy Surly Long Haul Trucker which needs the extra stability. My brother has the feedback and I've tried using it with my Surly, but it was way too tippy and I could not do any maintenance.
I have that Feedback Sports bike stand, and while I love it, it can be a bit unstable. To fix this, I bought a large wall-mount pipe hanger/strap (probably for a 2" pipe?) at Home Depot. I cut a piece of MTB inner tube to slide over the metal strap and then I screwed it to the floor next to the wall. When I want to use the bike stand, I just slide the far leg under the strap and that steadies the stand. This also spreads out the other two "front" legs so I'm not tripping over them. I can put any bike on the stand without worrying about it.
Great video and it seriously helped me make my decision
I think the feedback will be much more stable if you have the legs oriented similar to the park with two legs pointing towards the bike rather than two pointing away. More anchor points right under the bike.
Correct! This would be the same load-bearing solution as the Park Tool stand (support under the bike). Seems like Russ is more concerned about how tight a repair stand can sit next to a wall versus correctly supporting the load.
100% this.
Yes - been using an earlier Feedback model since 2008 and it has so few limitations you _really_ have to get into nit-picking. Still fully servicable - it is supported for replacement parts by Feedback Sports. I use that very same Park stand for community bike hub work and it's... fine. Neither is bad unless you store it in dusty/wet conditions (note to Russ - lubricating that cam lever would help for audio😉).
That has been my experience as well
@@mf7513 I have the Feedback Sports stand and if I have it like you're suggesting it tips over with my nearly 14kg mountain bike, I have to have it set up exactly as Russ has it to prevent this happening.
Ive got the Park pcs 10.3, added the tool tray and paper towel holder. It feels very PRO to have a nice stand and tool tray. I’ve never used the feedback but can say that the park stand is really excellent and can hold my girls eBike that weighs over 50 pounds. It’s rated for up to 80.
Can you and a tool tray where the upper pole goes into the lower pole?
Don’t forget the cup holders and ash tray attachments!.. na but seriously. Im still using the 10.2 from 2019 and it works like it did on day 1
Very helpful. Thank you Russ
I just bought the feedback sports pro this weekend. I mounted my riese and muller ebike. 65lb.
I found the stand to be mostly robust. I like the tripod configuration. With a heave bike I mad sure to have one leg straight out front under the bike. I really like the clamping jaws. There is plenty of force available to clamp my bike and I especially like the quick closure jaws. Lifting a 66 lb bike and closing the jaws you need a fast way to close.
What I don't like is there is no way to tighten the swivel enough stop rotation unless you use a pair of large vice grip pliers. I'm absolutely sure I'm placing way more force on the bolt and receiver joint than what was designed. There is two positions fir the clamp arm. One is straight out and the other is 90 dg. Straight out moves the clamp 12 inches away from the center of the stand. Enormous fulcrum with this configuration resulting in failure of the bolt and connector especially if you over tighten. The other 90drg way won't alow for rotation around the bikes center line. While this position brings the weight of the bike inward the swivel still won't stop rotating.
It has been suggested that I take the swivel apart and clean all contact spots of oil and grease from manufacturing. Manufacturer leaves oil residual.
I'm going to insert some very thin rubber gasket to see if it will help hold with out the extreme clamping forces.
I like this stand. I think fir thus higher cost yhe company should have provided a parts shelf as well as a front fork support bar.
I have not found a consumer stand that is stronger.
I went with the Park tool wall mount, hopefully I won't regret it. I figured I could make different places to mount it and move it around as needed. I wanted something really solid for my 88 pound ebike.😀
Love the comparison!
i dont have a stand, but i'd go for the park stand all day, thanks man
Because of the tipping problem and you have always to re-adjust the clamp of the Feedback Sports Pro Elite I totally prefer the Park PCS 10.3. The Park is unbelievable awesome, its still the best and I payed only 215 Euro.
I have an earlier version of the PCS-10 (not sure what the difference is with the 10.3 other than the included tool tray), which was preceded by a pcs-1. The only real issue I've had is that when tightening the clamp cam down, the bike can slip down and then the cam handle rotation will be blocked by the saddle or top tube. So It takes a little work to hold it up while tightening. Yes, I am aware I will be counseled to clamp to the seatpost only. Not always enough room there, as I am a little shorter than yourself. I also put some used socks over the clamps to protect the bike's finish.
I have owned one of the Feedbacks for years. I find it works better with the legs spread in front, the single leg sticking out back. Looks like you have a newer model, and they may have lengthened the clamp arm to add that nose hang thing. Mine doesn’t have that or the quick release either. I’ve also used Park stands similar to that one in the past. Both quality stands for sure.
Thanks for the great comparison! I wish you would discuss the height, though. The Park 10.3 has a very low max height, only 57 inches, while the Feedback Sports Pro Elite has a max height of 71 inches. Do taller people have a problem using the Park 10.3? And how stable is the Feedback at maximum height?
I use the park pcs 9.3 and I have no complaints. I honestly think the clap is easier to use than than the one on parks more expensive stands. I like it a lot.
I use the Park Team Issue cantilever bike stand. The bike is not clamped to the stand but the bike bottom bracket rests on the stand cantilever and either the front or rear wheel dropouts clamped to the stand. I noticed a lot of professional race mechanics use this type of stand. I find it to be a very stable stand and no clamping to the frame necessary if that is a concern on some frame materials.
Great review, the Park would work much better due to a heavy tandem. How do you like the tear drop shape of the Park vs the round and more versatile tube on the Feedback and older Park tools?
Thank you. Very informative 🙏
Pro Tip - Parallel bars for dips can be used as repair stand
I have a makeshift bike stand in the garage using a big storage hook. It has its limitations. Now off to go bike stand window shopping!
Since most of the weight of the bike is toward the front wheel, I would angle leg of the feedback sports stand toward the front of the bike. It may give a bit more stability. I like the clamp on the Park. It’s simpler and bulletproof. The feedback sports has a part inside the clamp mechanism that wears out. Replacing it is a bit time consuming. I’ve had 2 feedback sports stands that have needed this part replaced. I can’t remember the name of the part.
I work for REI and have used the Feedback stands for wrenching at events or when taking a bike outside to wash. Great stands. But when it came to buying a stand to work on my bikes at home, I chose the Park 10.2, which is the earlier iteration of the 10.3 and, as far as I can tell, identical.
I prefer the Park for all the reasons spoken to in the video. There's one additional reason too. I have a 27.5 Plus hardtail with a dropper seatpost. The bike is pushing 30 lbs and I don't like clamping it in the stand via the dropper post stanchion. I prefer to clamp it in the stand by balancing the bike with the clamp horizontal, by the top tube.
The Park, because you can rotate the head so the clamp is in a horizontal position, and because when doing so the lower part of the clamp acts like a pretty good rest/support (not true of the Feedback stand due to the clamp proper positioning. It clamps from the sides so doesn't support the bike resting on the clamp like the Park).
Do to the fact the Park clamp supports the bike via the top tube well, you can move the bike till it's perfectly balanced, so there's no need to put much force at all on the clamp, if you're worried about damaging your tubing. Just a little bit. Enough for some frictional resistance.
In fact, I like this method of clamping so well, I often use it instead of the seatpost method because you don't have to go through the clamp gymnastics while holding the bike up.
I know carbon fiber frame owners may cringe. I don't own any CF bikes, just metal.
Key point: Use very light pressure on the top tube when clamped this way. The perfectly balanced bike and good support from the Park clamp go a long way towards keeping the bike in place. Just a wee bit 'o tight on the TT.
Great comment! Thanks
I've got a tandem I want to get a stand for, and it didn't occur to me that clamping it by the seatpost might be an issue due to its weight. Top tube sounds like the way to go. Yet another instance where I'm glad I don't own fancy bikes made out of tinfoil.
I bought a CXWXC bike repair stand and it worked really well.
We use the Feedback stand for neutral support at races. Have found positioning the lower legs with a space between them on side we mount bike provides better space for feet and also better stability. Find it strange you choose to use with one leg facing directly towards user?
Russ, which do you think would work best on uneven ground like you might find at an event parking lot?
Really useful, thanks!
I have the Park PRS-25 which retails for $336.95. More comparible in price to the Feedback Elite Pro but super stable, lightweight aluminum legs with the professional 100-D style clamp. I even have the Park TS-25 for truing wheels if I need it. I throw this in my campervan when doing bike events along with my Park FTB-1 Folding Tool Box. Take care.
I think the review would have been more "apples to apples" if the Park PRS-25 was reviewed instead of the 10.3
Great Review, I use the Park Tool 10.2.. 🇺🇸
Excellent review … For either of these but would it help to clamp the bike top tube going across not the bike post to make it easier to balance the weight … I have a 60lb e-bike … thanks
awesome video. thanks!
Thanks, Russ!
The Park Tool PRS-25 weights about the same as Sports Pro Elite, costs about the same, folds up nearly as compactly however, operates like your PCS 10.3 and is as stable as the PCS 10.3. PRS-25 - one stand with the best of both attributes of the Sports Pro Elite and PCS 10.3.
An excellent review.. Special award goes to the Post Modern bombed out concrete appartement look....
Do you think the Park Tool stand (or any non bike shop stand) is really is able to deal with modern E-Bikes around 25kg? 60lbs or so....
Thanks
Most if not all Park Tool workstands can hold the weight of e-bikes. Their weight limits are on their own product links.
I have a red shift suspension post on my gravel bike and I have a very old park repair stand. With the suspension on the seat post I can't figure out how to clamp the bike in the stand (the clamp is too big to fit on the small straight area of the post. Any suggestions? You used to use the red shift posts I think.
Flip the clamp around so the bike moves rearward in relationship to the stand it will be more stable also I liked my park tool stand but love my feedback sports Cheers!
I chose the Park Tool. I do not like the small tool tray since I need to fold this stand for RV stowage and having to adjust it each time was a pain. Instead, since the stand is steel, I just toss on one of my magnetic parts cups.
A video I can use! Thanks.
Great video
If I need a portable stand I go with the Feedback Sports. For everything else I use my Park Professional with a steel base.
Should do a review of topeaks stands too
It's weird to see the love for the Feedback Sports Elite HD. It's NOT a bad stand at all, but for $330 USD I would expect less wiggle and bounce and less plastic. I wasnt expecting to need to tighten the screws on both clamps every time either, but yes, the sag is common with a 30 lbs bike. I bought both of these stands at the same time and the Park Tool was the one I stuck with in the end due to stability. The PT wasn't perfect either, with a shit ton of rust inside and a fairly low height but I wanted a stand I didn't have to think about. The Feedback Sports will travel better but I'm not typically traveling with my stand.
I've got the Feedback version. I love it. The 'tippy' issue, for me, is slight. Though it could be, if set up wrong. I often clamp mine on the top tube. Instead of the seat post. It centers the weight better I think, and if the bike is vertical (perpendicular to the main post), peddle clearance is close, but doesn't seem to hit the upright. Thanks for another good review!
For sure - top tube FTW.
For sure the top tube. That was going to be my suggestion also especially for heavier bikes. 😄
Yup Feedback stand here too, holds my heavy Surly LHT well even by the seat tube/post. The stand base can be a trip hazard when I'm not paying attention but overall, for the average home mechanic, it's a good stand. Especially since I got mine at MEC for a reduced price.
Can you rotate the bike 90 degrees while the clamp is on the seatpost? So that the bike it positioned vertically?
I have the PCS-9.3, it's great :)
i have been using top peak whoch is similar to feedback ... no issue till date + it looks gud in a showrrom
I just got a used Topeak Prepstand Elite which is very similar to that Feedback stand(My assumption is Feedback has just copied the design because I've had a similar Topeak stand about 15 years ago, and I have not seen these Feedback sports stands until recent years. My Topeak stand is a lot more stable as well even though it also is a tripod. Longer legs will quickly aid in that regard), and I got it only to use for when I am washing my bike. It's very cumbersome to wash a bike without a stand, and my main stand is a chonky Unior stand that is mostly made of steel, and I don't want it to rust anytime soon. That's why I wanted a stand that at least mostly is aluminum.
Park tool stands are too flimsy as a main stand and is mostly steel, so I cannot use that as a washing stand nor do I want it as a main stand.
My Unior 1693BQ stand is 80lbs give or take which is why I got it in the first place because I really wanted a solid stand that won't sway all over the place at the slightest contact.
Very nice. Thanks
Nice vid. Thanks.
park PCS seems WAY better. Once mounted it's more stable, the legs are not in your way, it needs less space.
the Feedback is "more portable", but ... how many times are you biking with your bike stand on your pocket?
Question, is it ok to use this kind of bike stand to wash your bike ? Thanks
Thx for the review. Seems like a strange place for a review... a kind of criminal hang-out building..haha
For home shop stand that will last decades go with a Park Tool. If you travel a lot and need to work on your bike on the road, get a feedback sports
Interesting video 👍
solid info
Outstanding
These are both pretty expensive, so let me offer a really good, much lower cost solution. Bike Hand. I bought mine years ago and it was $89. I just looked and now they are $110. But these are really good bike stands, super light but very stable and I've never had an issue with it.
Do you still ride your Brompton’s ?
I clamp my top tube on my aluminum hardtail, that way I can clamp it almost at the center of gravity. This way won't work for bikes that have externally routed cables along the top tube or a carbon frame.
What handlebar holder is that?
I have the next down model of Feedback Sports and have used other folks better Park Tool stands. I agree with Russ. BUT I don’t always have shop of my own and go to friends home to work on my bikes, so the FBS stand works best for me. Today. In a perfect world, I would have both. Edit: Add weight stability for those that may have an ebike in their quiver or future?
I've got a Performance Spin Doctor G3 (not a feedback sports one if anyone read that before) folding stand from 5-7 years ago. The drooping is really significant on mine. Although the design is very different . It's tolerable, but not professional quality. If I were looking to replace it, I would try another brand.
Same here; I have had one for about 7-8 years, it droops quite a bit, the plastic hub splits a bit if there is a lot of weight on the stand.
Some on here have claimed that it is better not to have a leg sticking straight out as Russ did but to emulate the Park in placing the legs. I will try that again but am a bit skeptical because I have felt it was tippier that way.
very good video.