Unplugged: A Solo Situation - Michael talks the fate of Star Wars

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
  • Michael addresses the drama and dust up over Solo's poor box office performance and the two factions that appear to be at war between the fans and Lucasfilm.
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  • @Geek_Chorus
    @Geek_Chorus 6 лет назад +59

    Those who justify Solo bombing as "Star Wars fatigue" is like a drug dealer who cuts his product with rat poison then blaming his low sales on "cocaine fatigue"

    • @SniffHeinkel
      @SniffHeinkel 4 года назад +2

      Solo failed because the fans boycotted it. They even said they were going to boycott it way before it was released. Its a shame too because I thought it was a really neat movie.

    • @lazerwolfdiecast
      @lazerwolfdiecast 4 года назад +2

      perfect analogy!

    • @willierants5880
      @willierants5880 4 года назад +2

      @@SniffHeinkel correction, if failed because the movie was weak through and through. Had the movie actually exceeded or even met viewer expectation those boycotters would've quickly recanted their decision to boycott the movie and have seen it. I saw it in the theater and I can tell you. Nobody in my family really enjoyed it. It was a chore toi watch. We could drone on and on about how the film didn't work, but what irked me the most was the the intro between Han and Chewie. It was as poorly conceived as possible. Absolutely horrible in every way possible.

    • @commandercaptain4664
      @commandercaptain4664 3 года назад

      @@SniffHeinkel Solo failed because it cost a mint and was hardly advertised. Fans barely had anything to do with that.

  • @lukebaldock4672
    @lukebaldock4672 6 лет назад +15

    Last Jedi sucked and the treatment of Luke Skywalker is unforgivable to me.

  • @jasonknight8581
    @jasonknight8581 6 лет назад +26

    By the way Michael, I did not notice one edit or one jump cut. You just gave a 27 minute speech in one take. Impressive. Most impressive.

  • @blaazepower386
    @blaazepower386 6 лет назад +33

    I so totally agree with: «I'd rather have star wars die on its feet, than live on its knees.» For me star wars is dead (for now). Awaiting its revival, in 5 - 10- 15 years from now. I'd rather wait another decade than watch all the crap thats coming out of this studio right now. Great vid !

  • @jeenkzk5919
    @jeenkzk5919 6 лет назад +111

    Very well said! They had Han, Luke, and Leia together with a once in a lifetime chance!...and they blew it

    • @kinghell9061
      @kinghell9061 6 лет назад +6

      Jeenkz K This is one of the most egregious aspects of this entire fiasco.

    • @joncoxe3703
      @joncoxe3703 6 лет назад +2

      I would agree with you but from all the backlash I've seen it would probably just be accused of being derivative and doing something that was a kin to the original trilogy

    • @johnjamele
      @johnjamele 5 лет назад

      They also had a great opportunity to tell us the story of how the restored republic crumbled again....and decided to punt instead.

    • @monkeybubblessupperdude1016
      @monkeybubblessupperdude1016 5 лет назад +3

      @@jeffpatton6358 the prequels were actually great when looked at as part of the bigger picture....sure they had their problems such as jar jar and aotc spending too much time and effort on the love story between padme and anikan...last time I looked it was star wars and not star love story but by and large the achived their aim of showing us the fall of the reupblic,palpatines rise to power and the transformation of the old republic into the galactic empire...rogue one notwitstading I don't know what this shit Disney is putting out but it's NOT starwars and NEVER will be.

    • @monkeybubblessupperdude1016
      @monkeybubblessupperdude1016 5 лет назад +2

      @@jeffpatton6358 I know what you were saying....a lot of people hate the prequels and got on his case so in return he said "fuck you guys...I'm selling sw to disney....and if you think the prequels are bad wait until you see the garbage Disney are going to release and you only have yourselves to blame"....and he was right.

  • @falleneldor
    @falleneldor 6 лет назад +114

    The more Disney tightens their grip, the more fans slip through their fingers.

    • @TheMellowPumpkin
      @TheMellowPumpkin 6 лет назад +8

      Charming to the last. You don't know how hard they found it signing the order to terminate your fandom.

    • @johnr7279
      @johnr7279 5 лет назад

      Ha ha ha ha!!!

  • @WCBs
    @WCBs 6 лет назад +176

    You aren't alone in your dislike for TFA. Trust me

    • @juanc1328
      @juanc1328 6 лет назад +1

      Any way Katheleen Kennedy be fired or removed?

    • @rahdigga6031
      @rahdigga6031 6 лет назад +2

      I’ve hated the Disney SW movies sans Solo cause I haven’t seen it yet. But once I saw Disney getting away from the core movie themes like the wipes transitions or the title scroll of Rogue One and even in the Rebels cartoon which are classic SW it just told me the writers and directors wouldn’t respect the franchise

    • @chrisesposito5530
      @chrisesposito5530 6 лет назад +11

      TFA is a great movie if you're a casual Star Wars fan that doesn't think about the movies or their meaning. If you're really into Star Wars and like to examine it's meaning and plot, TFA falls apart like a cheap card table. All shine no substance.

    • @rahdigga6031
      @rahdigga6031 6 лет назад +2

      Define casual Star Wars fan? I think a casual fan would say it was "cool" but not great. And I think you mean casual movie goer because a casual fan (someone that has watched all of the movies preceding it) would probably say "Another Death Star?"

    • @carlitoandino9538
      @carlitoandino9538 6 лет назад

      I don't like episode 7 too

  • @macmcleod1188
    @macmcleod1188 6 лет назад +11

    Basic Customer Service: Do not attack your customers.
    TLJ was bad enough to break my interest in star wars. But kennedy, abrahms, and johnson made it personal.

  • @rahdigga6031
    @rahdigga6031 6 лет назад +32

    10 minutes into this video and my applause of your analysis is thunderous

    • @johnr7279
      @johnr7279 5 лет назад +1

      Ha ha ha...yup!

    • @commandercaptain4664
      @commandercaptain4664 3 года назад +2

      So this is how channels thrive... with smashed like buttons...

  • @diggingattycho7908
    @diggingattycho7908 6 лет назад +25

    The problem is much bigger than just Star Wars or even Disney. Keep in mind the people running the show influence the troops. We have seen at least two studios doing the same thing in recent years. Trolling the audience, while trying to push the fan base away. Hollywood has much bigger problems than a failing franchise or two or three or four. This behavior was observed in print media, they pretty much did the same thing. Along with the music industry, which today is no longer as powerful as it once was. Which I think is the problem, sure Disney is huge. But look how many other studios they have been buying up. If times for these companies was really good, none of the companies Disney bought would have been for sale. We would have have a huge catalog of movies to see, not just a handful of blockbusters. That keep following the same formula, year after year after...
    There is Star Wars fatigue, but it only occurs when people like the current leadership of LFL are calling the shots.

  • @snarkymcsnarkface1863
    @snarkymcsnarkface1863 6 лет назад +16

    LOL i was not a fan of TFA but had TLJ been good I was willing to overlook the issues I have with TFA.
    Now I am #donewithdisney

  • @pbest4675
    @pbest4675 6 лет назад +17

    You are exactly correct in every point you made.
    Very nicely put!!!

  • @justice2383
    @justice2383 6 лет назад +18

    You are exactly on point.Well said Michael.

  • @lepterfirefall
    @lepterfirefall 6 лет назад +22

    Love the MST3000 servo and crow. Awesome. Solo was a good film. It could have been better. The droid was REALLY anoying. The rest was good.
    This was a balanced opinion piece on the problems of the franchise. This isn't going to go away. The franchise will die on its current road. Great video.

    • @mechachrist
      @mechachrist 6 лет назад +1

      He needs Gypsy! And could Cambot secretly be the Retroblasting cameraman?

    • @bradbruhn9586
      @bradbruhn9586 6 лет назад +2

      Peter James Ledwith I agree with you on Solo. I actually have enjoyed the anthology films more than the two new chapters Disney put out...on a side note, I noticed Tom Servo and Crow as well...where wa as Gypsy? ( I know she used to sleep through the movies on MST3K)

    • @bradbruhn9586
      @bradbruhn9586 6 лет назад

      mechachrist, Gypsy was probably sleeping through the podcast the way she did through the movies on MST3K...her loss...it was a great podcast

    • @stoneyboyd
      @stoneyboyd Год назад

      @@mechachrist fellow MST3K Bot Builder here.
      There is a reason for why many builders such as myself don’t have Gypsy.
      It’s because the part used to make her head is damn near impossible to find since the late 2000’s
      The part was an infant car seat from the late 70’s and early 80’s (one of the first of its kind) and as a result it was deemed unsafe and around 95% of them were subsequently recalled and destroyed by the US Government.
      The few that did survive were all used to build Gypsy by fans and finding a seat that is intact is incredibly rare and many fans like myself have resigned to the fact that owning a replica of Gypsy from the original series is next to impossible and the car seat in question has become a holy grail.

  • @Geerladenlad
    @Geerladenlad 6 лет назад +18

    Unfortunately it was lucasfilm for the current people in charge of lucasfilm that is putting politics in the movies and in my opinion that stuff doesn't belong in a galaxy far far away! Star Wars is an Escape for people. People want to come to be entertained they don't want to think about all these messages they're trying to put in there and watch them deconstruct characters that grew up on. I don't know how lucasfilm didn't think there was going to be a backlash over this.

    • @xenofett7008
      @xenofett7008 6 лет назад +2

      Geerladenlad Exactly! Just tell a good story that everyone can enjoy and escape to. Keep politics out, left or right.

    • @אנונימיתאנונימי
      @אנונימיתאנונימי 6 лет назад

      Geerladenlad At least they were less blunt about that like in the OT and PT, instead of shoving it into your face.

    • @joncoxe3703
      @joncoxe3703 6 лет назад

      What are these politics that are supposedly in these new Star Wars movies I must have missed them all I saw was characters interacting with each other please attempt to describe it without using gender pronouns if you can

    • @alexanderfish4797
      @alexanderfish4797 5 лет назад +1

      Politics has been a part of Star Wars since the beginning. It's nothing new. Phantom Menace was ALL about politics.

  • @JoeBeaven
    @JoeBeaven 6 лет назад +4

    Luke Skywalker was treated the way he was because of politics. I don't see how you can separate out the politics from the storytelling. They are intertwined.

  • @mandofoe7447
    @mandofoe7447 6 лет назад +12

    Thank you thank you Michael. Finally!!!! Someone hit the nail right on the freaking head!!! No imagination, poor storytelling, nonsense scripts and crappy directors. You are 1000% right. There is one version of Star Wars that is good currently and that is Dave Filoni’s Star Wars and it’s absolutely mind boggling that he is not in complete creative control of lucasfilm. Filoni for president of lucasfilm!!!!!

  • @BrookieSmallz
    @BrookieSmallz 6 лет назад +13

    First Starwars movie I will not be buying a ticket for seeing in theaters. Just terrible choices they are making with no good ideasz

  • @SamGuthrie1977
    @SamGuthrie1977 6 лет назад +18

    Great video, Michael. I sat in that theater last winter and had to watch the great Luke Skywalker nonchalantly throw his lightsaber into the sea, suck the teat milk of a creepy alien, try to kill his own nephew (who is also his best friend's son), and then lazily "phoned it in" and unceremoniously died when his sister and friends were in dire trouble. I got up, walked out and said "I'm done with Disney Wars." I haven't watched Solo, I have no desire to do so, and I never will. There is too much ill will and ugly spirit in what Disney is doing with Star Wars. I'll never support it.

    • @aarongamer4975
      @aarongamer4975 6 лет назад +4

      SamGuthrie1977 reading this took me back to that night. star wars will never be the same again

    • @harveyplissken4604
      @harveyplissken4604 6 лет назад +6

      SamGuthrie1977
      Reading that reminded of my experience watching TLJ with my family on Christmas morning (I was the only one in the pack that hated it BTW). Literally, the first thing that I said once the movie was over and the credits rolled was "well, this makes me appreciate the prequels more now. Everything I said about the prequels, I take them all back. This is worse." I'll even go as far as to say that I would watch the Holiday Special before I would ever watch The Last Jedi without a second thought.

  • @itwsntme
    @itwsntme 6 лет назад +18

    I'm with you. At first I thought I liked TFA, but over time I realised I really did not. After seeing Rogue One I realised I could not muster an iota of care for any of the new characters or stories. Went to TLJ for two and only two reasons, Mark Hamill and of course our beloved Carrie Fisher. What I got was a slap in the face so hard that I just stood there wondering if I had really seen what what I thought I'd seen.
    Star Wars is dead. It's become fan fiction, and bad one at that. LucasFilm will never get another dollar from me.

  • @wikkidperson
    @wikkidperson 6 лет назад +11

    Ive been quoting you on this, and adding that any movie which is a test of your politics or loyalty, or which will result in you getting called names if you don’t happen to like it, ruins the fun/gives me a bad feeling about itself.

  • @adysmith3138
    @adysmith3138 6 лет назад +7

    So you (Ryan Johnson) hope half your audience hates the films and then call them vile names when indeed they don't. Can anybody tell me why Disney thinks this is good business model. Its clear Lucas film thinks it is. Come on Disney your better than this.

  • @AnikinSolo19
    @AnikinSolo19 6 лет назад +10

    Wow what an excellent topic of discussion you hit all the problems with Star Wars 100% on the head and you did it in a very mature proper non disrespectful Manor this was very well said!

  • @Grim2
    @Grim2 6 лет назад +44

    This is what makes this channel great. Zero fear to speak out sincerely.

  • @Lio_Convoy
    @Lio_Convoy 6 лет назад +5

    Man......Michael. My heart breaks for you, man. I’m not a Star Wars fan, but it’s something I know you’re passionate about, and I’ve kept up with it’s mishandling in more recent years. I’m sorry the stuff you love is being ran into the muck for the pigs to play with. If you even need a fellow nerd to rage with, I’m here for you.

  • @MegaTheloki
    @MegaTheloki 6 лет назад +48

    Oh, I'm afraid The Boycott will be quite operational when your friends arrive.

    • @lifetranscendence3711
      @lifetranscendence3711 6 лет назад +3

      Loki Fults that’s a great meme in the making! Just need an emperor photo!

  • @tdm7680
    @tdm7680 6 лет назад +5

    "They are not good story tellers" That simple phrase says it all. The current "creators" are focused on how star wars is supposed to look (and they cant even get this right) and lack a fundamental understanding of what star wars is about. They do not understand the lore, nor have they taken the time to learn about it. This is an impatient lazy attitude and it clearly shows in the films we were given (with the exception of Rogue One). This is also demonstrated in an issue I have that many will probably disagree with me about, the claimed Ralph Mcquarrie worship by the LF team (as seen heavily in the Rebels TV show). Yes, Mcquarrie is an incredible artist and yes his ideas were the foundation of the star wars designs, but his overall aesthetic is not what made it into the films. His ideas were refined and modified by Joe Johnston and the ILM model makers, they created the final look of Star Wars. Now we have the LF creative team (including Dave Felloni) making everything look like and be influenced by Mcquarries original designs, this does not make sense and is out of place. This is a direct result of lazy cherry picking of elements that the creative team does not understand. It is infuriating to me. The overuse of the "force theme" music is another pain, but I will save that rant for later...

  • @Hewylewis
    @Hewylewis 6 лет назад +6

    I like TFA and TLJ, but I understand why the majority do NOT like them. I just want the fanbase to be united again and for a star wars movie that we can ALL enjoy.

  • @Raaaww
    @Raaaww 6 лет назад +8

    I waited a long time with seeing tlj because I saw it coming in tfa. But I was still shocked by how bad tlj really was.

    • @der_benson4478
      @der_benson4478 3 года назад

      TFA was incompetent, TLJ was malicious.

  • @skinflutey
    @skinflutey 6 лет назад +9

    Well said. As a share holder in Disney I find it mind boggling with how they are handling criticism. It’s not just Lucasfilms though. They have this same problem with Marvel comics. Personally I’m past the point of wanting KK gone. I’m starting to think it’s time for Iger to go sense he seems more pre occupied with just buying IPs and not cultivating them. I’ve never seen such a level of unprofessionalism from companies to their fans within these past few years.

    • @AvengerII
      @AvengerII 6 лет назад +2

      KK is an ideologue -- ultra far left -- and Iger is a businessman. Iger is NOT a creative.
      Creative people are NOT in charge at Disney now.
      Some of the business types, like Eisner did before, have fallen into the trap of believing they're adequate story editors when they have no clue about storytelling and filmmaking. They're financiers and balancing the books and talking the heads off people to get money is NOT the same thing as writing and shooting movies! They're two different skill sets and very few people are good at both!
      Business executives are STILL needed to keep the creatives' feet on the ground and hold them to a budget. That's the way Disney used to be run, btw. There were two brothers -- Walt, the younger fellow who created the IP's and nurtured talent within the company, and the elder brother, Roy, who balanced the books and kept Walt from spending the company into the ground! Needless to say, there was occasionally friction between those two but for nearly 40 years they kept their company together and during that time it was one of the most creative organizations in entertainment! In the same timeframe, other studio moguls came and went but by the time the late 1960s rolled around, there were very few families still left in control of the studios they founded!
      I think one of the keys may have been the Disneys kept control of their company and owned the majority of it. Nowadays, the company is very much answerable to the shareholders and the CEOs feel compelled to deliver a certain percentage growth every year and that puts tremendous pressure on anyone. The problem is Iger (and Eisner before) doesn't have the touch that Walt did and can't sense or predict what the public wants. We're also in a very different world now where it seems almost every major thing has been done in entertainment and it's hard to come up with anything new. That being the case, there still needs to be a high level of quality maintained (which doesn't necessarily spending into bankruptcy!) and I think that QA is broken down for most of Hollywood clearly, and arguably for Disney, too.
      As a FORMER huge Disney fan, it was a disappointment for me to see Disney buy up the Muppets, Pixar, and LucasFilm and ignore their own classic characters and existing properties. Oh, Disney is focusing on the Princess line and I've got no problem if they want to exploit that market (without going crazy in either direction of the political spectrum) but what about the characters I grew up with? At this point, Mickey Mouse is a symbol/a figurehead hardly remembered for his classic animated shorts. More should be done with him, Donald, Goofy, and the other characters but Disney has stepped away from this except for some very dumbed down kids shows where the animation is all done in "puppet-toon" CG which frankly looks stiff and awful. There are web shorts that have been done with the classic Disney characters but they're very cheap-looking, limited animation affairs and hardly look anything like the best animated shorts done with these characters in the 1930s and 1940s!
      There was no reason for Disney to go on a buying spree other than the powers-that-be obviously had no faith in their employees and felt the quick, easy to fix the situation was to buy existing, ready-made properties and make quick cash on them. That hasn't happened -- the Disney Muppet TV shows and movies have been bland, the DisneyWars mediocre at best, and while Pixar is still successful it's mired in producing sequels to all its films because that's the easy way to make a buck.
      Oh, you still need a balance between the creative and business sides but it's not there at Disney today. It's driven solely by business and you have business people like KK who have NO IDEA how to tell stories and they can't read their audiences and they are certainly as hell do not understand the fictional universities/properties they're shepherding, either!

    • @skinflutey
      @skinflutey 6 лет назад +1

      AvengerII my problem with Iger isn’t that he himself isn’t creative. It’s that he seems to be more interested in buying IPs before Disney properly cultivate the ones they have or just bought. My bigger issue is that Iger seems to not be clamping down on what his employees are saying to fans. In the past few years some major companies have become completely arrogant. With two of them being subdivisions of Disney. Then there is the espn issue but I’m not going to get into that here.

  • @keymasterpete8996
    @keymasterpete8996 6 лет назад +38

    They obviously learned nothing from Ghostbusters 2016

    • @keymasterpete8996
      @keymasterpete8996 6 лет назад +4

      bigevilworldwide1 I already know everything you said. Your long winded comment was pointless. But thanks anyway.

    • @lordsofoctoberofficial
      @lordsofoctoberofficial 5 лет назад

      A ton of people hated the Ghostbusters idea before they saw one frame. Make of that what you will. I know on the internet there were pockets of pissed alpha males organizing boycotts months before the trailer dropped.

  • @BenKurth
    @BenKurth 6 лет назад +77

    “I’d rather see Star Wars die on its feet then live on their knees.” A perfect summation of a very, very bad direction at Lucasfilm.

    • @weepingkoopa2862
      @weepingkoopa2862 6 лет назад

      It's a quote by Emilio Zapata.

    • @otfan522botjournalismisdea2
      @otfan522botjournalismisdea2 6 лет назад +1

      I could not agree with you more on this point.

    • @joncoxe3703
      @joncoxe3703 6 лет назад +1

      At this point I would rather see the fandom die on its feet then Star Wars because that's what's destroying my love of it and it has nothing to do with JJ Abrams Kathleen Kennedy or Rian Johnson

    • @BenKurth
      @BenKurth 6 лет назад +1

      jon coxe pump the hate breaks Thanos. Lucasfilm is there for the sole purposes to serve the fans. The movie going public and the fans don’t serve Lucasfilm.

    • @joncoxe3703
      @joncoxe3703 6 лет назад

      Ben Kurth sweet I've never been called Thanos before! I like it!

  • @Guernicaman
    @Guernicaman 6 лет назад +20

    Brilliantly said.
    It's important to also note that unlike the MCU, the new Star Wars movies feel improvised. It's like they're making things up as they go along. From the very beginning, they should've used George Lucas' basic story thread & improved upon it by getting a single creative that knows the mythology in & out. Then get someone who's read Campbell & knows story structure & character arcs that can span more than one film. For directors, they should've gotten the Steven Spielbergs, the Joe Johnstons, heck the Ron Howards, to direct the episodes & the stand alone films. People who were making movies like Star Wars back then. These brash auteur directors don't understand Star Wars. They might make other types of great movies, but they clearly don't understand Star Wars.
    Also, I feel it would be better if they made brand new stories within the Star Wars universe. How awesome would a new trilogy of Rogue Squadron or an Old Republic movies be? You would have the same archetypes as in the Star Wars movies, but the freedom to take risks narratively. It's wouldn't feel like you're watching a movie backwards, which was the biggest problem the prequels & even Rogue One had.

    • @DarrenBrader
      @DarrenBrader 6 лет назад

      Guernicaman they already have Dave Filoni who was trained by George while working in the Clone Wars series but chose to stick him working on Rebels. Which was a great show but his talent could be better used supervising all creative at Lucasfilm.

    • @Peppers19781978
      @Peppers19781978 6 лет назад +1

      Here was Lucas' plans for the new movies from a 2012 article the day after the sale to Disney...
      "What we do know thus far is that, once again bucking fan expectations, Lucas has decided to no longer use the revered books, the expanded universe as it is known, as they were mostly not his creations, not his stories but the ideas of others which were officially licensed by Lucasfilm with Lucas retaining the rights to draw from those stories, change them as he saw fit for future projects or avoid them all together which it appears he was now doing. Instead Lucas is launching an original story, one that will reportedly feature Luke Skywalker, now in his 30s or 40s, in a tale that will follow “Stars Wars: Episode IV - Return Of The Jedi. and will feature a young cast aged 8-16 as the new stars” Lucas felt the franchise needs to get back to being geared more towards families and kids, less darker than previous films. And while a treatment is done, it appears that George Lucas was open to other ideas."
      As for the writers...Lucasfilm brought back Lawerence Kasdan who wrote The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. He wrote The Force Awakens and Solo. He has been just as vital to the success of SW as Lucas. Lucas brought him also to write Raiders of the Lost Ark. Lucas also gushed over the decision of J.J. Abrams as director. Lucas' idea for Episode. Also Spielberg sadly is no longer the director he once was. Like Lucas he seems to be more into the look of cartoonish CGI over story and also seems to be making movies based on books, real life events rather than original ideas.
      Lucas also shunned people like that on the prequels. Ron Howard wanted to direct a prequel, Spielberg was asked but Lucas decided to do everything himself, write and direct...he he was terrible at it. He also had yes man Rick McCallum as his producer, a guy who only worked with Lucas. Lucas is a good storyteller but his stories are best when others write the scripts. When Kennedy took over, Kasdan returned, some crew from the originals returned. James Mangold, who made Logan, has been tapped to write and direct Boba Fett...genius decision.

  • @jumpinjimflash
    @jumpinjimflash 6 лет назад +11

    Thank you, Michael. Great POV.
    Additionally, I will never forgive them for having our original trilogy characters act independently in these films. Not one heroic scene together? Insanity.
    Also, newsflash... These movies were always about R2 and 3PO. They are reduced to marginal gags in the new movies.
    Rogue One was amazing, though.

  • @stevenmabee3232
    @stevenmabee3232 6 лет назад +5

    They need to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy and hire Dave Filoni, he knows Star Wars and would treat it correctly.

  • @michealcormier2555
    @michealcormier2555 6 лет назад +8

    Well said. It's nice to hear a more balanced and more level headed analyses of the situation. Really love what you do.

  • @CarltonWhitfield
    @CarltonWhitfield 6 лет назад +32

    "I just want a good Star Wars story" ---I want this on a T-shirt

  • @chrisgates6772
    @chrisgates6772 6 лет назад +4

    You are spot on with EVERYTHING you said. I personally think too much damage has been done, its irreversible, and the end of TLJ was it for me. I personally think George Lucas hates this and this was never his vision. I have been a huge fan since 77 and I am female. I'm beyond disgusted and I hate walking away from a trilogy that I have loved since I was a little girl but I am tired of being angry and disappointed. The number one thing that infuriates me the most is that we never got a reunion of the big three. I will never forgive Disney, Kennedy, Etc. for that.

  • @williamwallace3780
    @williamwallace3780 6 лет назад +3

    I've never seen a right-wing fan saying PUT MY POLITICS IN.

  • @new2vero2
    @new2vero2 6 лет назад +6

    Totally agree.. on my channel I talk about this and I’m brown.. so all the political aspects Disney is using doesn’t apply to me... I’m upset because it’s simply SHIT writing and no imagination.. I added that both Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams are not good at their job. For the 1st time since 1983 .. I didn’t go see a Star Wars movie opening day/weekend... and that sadness me Micheal.... Take a look at my Retro Room where I film .. don’t u think this hurts .. all the characters I loved so poorly handled. Thanks for your take !

  • @richbrant8534
    @richbrant8534 6 лет назад +5

    So we'll put. Thank you for saying that. It was exactly why I have joined the boycott. Thank you

  • @jamesmincks3804
    @jamesmincks3804 6 лет назад +30

    great video. Star Wars as a brand and as a franchise is in trouble. Its slowly dying and many fans are living in denial. No imagination bad scripts and bad business and story direction are killing Star Wars.

    • @contra241
      @contra241 6 лет назад +3

      No, more fans are waking up. That's why Solo bombed. When they announced that Lando is pansexual. I said I'm done with Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars

  • @thomjames66
    @thomjames66 6 лет назад +12

    Bad movies , bad toys nothing really for the fans to enjoy with this Disney Star Wars.

  • @Mant111
    @Mant111 6 лет назад +5

    Just a detail: this isn't a chicken and egg case.
    Fans can only react to things, Lucasfilm can implement them.
    Nobody would be talking about the political side of this if The Last Jedi didn't so heavily introduce them into Star Wars.

    • @אנונימיתאנונימי
      @אנונימיתאנונימי 6 лет назад

      Davidt Dunlop Actaully some do and the PT politics weren't full blown far left crap. They could be even considered as pro-libertarian to some extent (God bless Bush, just kidding, he was big government money spending moron like the hypocrite liberals who complained about him). I support the separatists, they're far more interesting and contrasting than the Rebels/Republic (democrats/communists, the Ewoks are totally vile Viet Cong) vs the Empire (republicans or fascists/Nazis because it's practically the same-_-, ugh).

  • @officespace7777
    @officespace7777 6 лет назад +12

    Agreed.
    I think they have burned the longtime fans.
    After last Jedi I won't spend any more money on a star wars film.
    Also they are watering down the product by pumping out too much product. It's not special any more. Just looks like a cash grab.
    It's gotten pretty ridiculous. Next movies up could be "star wars a jawa story" "star wars a ewok story" " star wars a r2 d2 story" it's just turning into a cluster fuck.

    • @joncoxe3703
      @joncoxe3703 6 лет назад

      Howie Lee or Lawrence Kasdan really wanted to do this movie because of his love of solo and tried to bring it to life

  • @jhunt5440
    @jhunt5440 6 лет назад +5

    This is one of the best thought out observations about the state of the current Star Wars films. Thanks for another great video.

  • @deadmeme1251
    @deadmeme1251 6 лет назад +4

    I never usually comment on this channel; as I prefer to sit back on the sidelines and enjoy the quality content. However, I have to say, I agree.
    ...about the Sony and Warner Brothers end of the spectrum.
    While I can certainly think Han Solo will be a potential financial blunder; making significantly less than predicted;I do not believe it is indicative of the future of Star Wars. I think that will be determined by Episode IX.
    Han Solo's box office was significantly hampered, not by what a loud vocal minority of radicalists believe, but by it's premise and the timing of release. I think you're not taking into consideration that the fans are not the only reason a property succeeds. If Marvel movies were geared towards only comic book fans, they would fail...immediately. Comic Book fans are not the reason MCU movies are so financially successful, it's the average joe's family that makes or breaks a movie. Like you said, Zack Snyder tainted DC by gearing his films towards edgy comic book fans that only like the comics for their visuals...not what actually makes the characters and adventures compelling.
    Most average people cannot afford to see every film released by Disney, especially with Deadpool 2 and Infinity War surrounding Han Solo. The film was guaranteed to be overshadowed and while the decision is questionable from a business perspective...it makes sense given the simplicity of Solo as a movie. It's a better summer film than a winter film.
    Additionally, while I even hate to admit it, Solo is just not something everyone wanted... and that's okay. Not every movie needs to be craved by movie going audiences, if that were the case the MCU would've never happened. I remember everyone in school would ridicule anyone who mentioned, "Hey, that Avengers movie looks pretty good," back in 2012.
    I also wanted to mention that the MCU is also not invincible. While it's true that Kevin Feige has granted more freedom to his writers and directors, keep in mind he's made plenty of mistakes as well. Avengers: Age of Ultron suffered from being generic as Kevin tampered with director Joss Whedon's control. Forcing him to put things in that movie he did not want to and it ultimately led to a film that's forgettable as hell. Same thing happened with Ant-Man, as the original director Edgar Wright prematurely left do to creative differences. No doubt because Feige wanted Wright to put Avengers cameos / tie-ins in Ant-Man. Seemingly, it appears that Marvel is at an all time high ever since the release of Civil War, but do not ignore the fact that there was a real superhero fatigue after Thor: The Dark World, Ant-Man, Age Of Ultron and Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice. Winter Soldier and Guardians were the only two films that were critically acclaimed in phase 2, while everything else was decisively received as either decent or mediocre. Iron Man 3 being the most indifferent of the bunch.
    Phase 3 has been incredibly strong thus far and I couldn't be happier that the whole "Superhero fatigue" was a bunch of nonsense. As you said perfectly, there is no such thing as fatigue when the films are fresh, exciting and good films.
    If the MCU has revealed anything, a small side movie cannot determine the success of the overarching story. Just because Ant-Man was a mess internally (and it's box office reflects that) it didn't dictate the fate of the MCU; as Infinity War proves. Similarly, Solo in the long scheme of things will more than likely not be the kiss of death everyone screams it'll be.
    If Star Wars needs improvement in any regards it's freedom, which was given to Rian Johnson and while I personally adored his direction and storytelling, I won't deny that in places, the film is messy and the new world building wasn't exactly fresh. For example: there was no design as ambitious as General Grevious or Darth Maul. Still, I couldn't care less if we ever see another design like Maul as I never go to see a Star Wars film for the action or set pieces in the first place.
    Disney needs to let their creators do whatever they want, with different styles and feelings in each film; which is why the MCU is now finally booming.
    Solo probably would've benefited from being a comedy, Guardians of the Galaxy type of movie - it would've been hilarious if the original directors were still kept.
    This is still Lucasfilm's first step to a larger world, they may stumble but I would never say they're done for. Not yet.
    Lastly, I wanted to put this quote here: "It [Star Wars] was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships?" George Lucas said at his Skywalker Ranch earlier this month. "Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." Lucas, you see, originally conceived "Star Wars" while many Americans were questioning leadership during Richard Nixon's presidency.
    Lucas said this in 2005 near the release of Episode III regarding the politics of Star Wars. It's always been there, so when you say, "Star Wars is not invincible," never forget that this has been known since 1999.
    Anyways, thank you guys so much for releasing such high quality content. Every review is so exciting and insightful, I absolutely love it. Hope you too had a great memorial day, and as always, keep up the great work!

  • @thenuclearsandwich
    @thenuclearsandwich 6 лет назад +24

    I can forgive politics in a film. I'll cringe and roll my eyes with what I disagree with but if the story is good I will look past that and give kudos where they are deserved. The story telling and cohesion between FA and TLJ is just terrible. Johnson just completely disrespected the source material with which he drew upon to create that elementary school story we got. At least with Abrams I felt like he was at least putting an effort in to capture the "magic" of Star Wars even though it fell short. It was Disney's inaugural attempt at a Star Wars movie so I forgave it. Rogue One got a bit better for me. But then comes along TLJ. I never thought I would continually check my watch and wonder if a Star Wars movie is almost over. Now with Solo here, I'm now like meh do I really care to see it. Prior to TLJ there was never a 2nd thought in my mind if I was going to see a Star Wars movie.

    • @אנונימיתאנונימי
      @אנונימיתאנונימי 6 лет назад

      Nuclear Sandwich I can do that for certain degree; depends on how much political references and how bad each one.

    • @Phoenix2312
      @Phoenix2312 6 лет назад

      Well said! There is a film to be salvaged... TLJ could be saved with whats there in teh right hands... But Johnson is NOT the right person to lead a Star Wars movie!

    • @LOTRFAN33
      @LOTRFAN33 5 лет назад +1

      Nuclear Sandwich
      Well said. TLJ was bad regardless of the politics. They could make it all white Male characters and it would still stink.

  • @timh9834
    @timh9834 6 лет назад +2

    Hi Mike, you mentioned Lucas being above politics in his vision, though didn't he insert some political commentary into Revenge of the Sith? (Obi-Wan used the word "democracy", a term never used before (or after) that movie to describe the Republic, which after all is chock full of aristocrats and royalty).

    • @אנונימיתאנונימי
      @אנונימיתאנונימי 6 лет назад

      Tim H There was also politics in the OT (Ewoks=Viet Cong), but the PT and OT politics were far less blunt than the new ones, plus the OT was mainly watched by kids back than so it flow over their heads. I really like the PT politics, ironically, they're more pro-right wing, but that was during the time Bush made all the hypocrite liberals semi-libertarians (you know, limit government when "evil republicans" are in charge, but when we're in charge we need to control everything "for the sake of the little man".).

  • @Sano1970
    @Sano1970 6 лет назад +4

    Love it, so true. Dump the politics! Star Wars is in trouble!

  • @macmcleod1188
    @macmcleod1188 6 лет назад +2

    One side comment: Family attendance was down 80%. That was a combination of angry fans (not going to take my grandkids) but also parents who simply didn't want to have a talk about pansexuality with their 8 year olds. That was a forced error on the writer's part. And on disney's part for failing to tell their people to shut the f up.
    on your other point, I don't care if they die- everyone dies. the question is do they have a good death?
    I felt the males were humiliated and shamed. A fate worse than death.

  • @65Davis65
    @65Davis65 6 лет назад +6

    Well said Michael. New subscriber here, very much enjoying your channel. Cheers, Davis.

  • @skyler951
    @skyler951 6 лет назад +8

    Amen

  • @TabbyTimeOut
    @TabbyTimeOut 6 лет назад +5

    A big thumbs up for your analysis. The failure of Solo is more because of the bad taste TLJ left with people.

  • @colorin81colorado
    @colorin81colorado 3 года назад +2

    Now that we are finally in 2021 what have we learn?
    We have learn that you were right all along!
    How can you have such a clear vision of the future?

  • @S4ns
    @S4ns 6 лет назад +26

    LucasFilm didn't learn the lesson of Ghostbusters 2016.
    It played politics over people.
    It blamed the fans instead of taking responsibility for a poor product.
    LucasFilm is relying on brand name recognition to carry the movies instead of good story, good writing, and good characters.

    • @joncoxe3703
      @joncoxe3703 6 лет назад +1

      S4ns the only politics in these movies are the ones you choose to see but I guess women having positions of power is political now? Or like those silly people who made Ghostbusters by assembling one of the Premier all-star casts of comedians and actors to make a movie. What the hell were they thinking trying to make something they thought people would enjoy.

    • @comichound
      @comichound 6 лет назад +1

      I think Sony knew the film they had was garbage, but knew they could manipulate people into supporting the film blindly if they controlled the narrative by making the “controversy” about sex and race. The saddest part of such petty, disingenuous behavior is they a like the little boy crying, “wolf.” By constantly vilifying the general public as racist and sexist, they trivialize the terms and debilitate attempts to criticize real racists and sexists.

  • @Sturmdude
    @Sturmdude 6 лет назад +2

    Everything is over-politicized these days. Movie, video games, tv shows, etc. I turn to media to escape these things, but there's no escape these days. Everything has been ruined. The only place I can go is to a game od D&D on the weekends with friends, because our fantasy worlds don't exist in the realm of identity or economic politics.

  • @RyanCzaplinski
    @RyanCzaplinski 6 лет назад +6

    This is probably one of the most level-headed arguments I have heard about what is going on and I agree. I went to see Solo because I am one of those Star Wars fans who has to see everything non-animated feature film related (admittedly). Solo was substantially better than TLJ, but I can't say i'm surprised at the numbers being a lot lower due to the damage done on TLJ. It's been a huge rollercoaster with TLJ going from hating it, to negotiating and trying to reason with the why of things and learning to appreciate it more, but it's been tough dealing with what went on in that film, and especially with Luke. There didn't need to be any rush in getting rid of him, and I hated the attitude they gave Luke after all this time. I know time and tragedy can change a person, but this was a guy who saw the absolute smallest sliver of hope from a monster no one else could see ever turning back to the good side (Vader) and now he's a grumpy old man who didn't even want to train someone that his own sister vouched for... not even give her the time of day. And yes, they completely ignored so much of what TFA had strung us along with and cut off almost every last bit of mystery left in one fell swoop. It's open to start anew and they have a lot of work to do in creating an engaging story. I don't even know where it's going to go from here. I am sick of the political agenda and ignoring the fans. It's quite amazing how the same company ownership is treating this franchise completely different to Marvel.

    • @ordovices7440
      @ordovices7440 6 лет назад

      It's different. Vader and Luke were in a duel right before the emperor. Ben solo was sleeping and he was just a padawan or something, no direct danger at the moment. Luke had plenty of time to talk with Leia and talk with Ben. Luke gave so many chances even to Jabba the hut before killing all of them.

    • @adamperry4347
      @adamperry4347 5 лет назад

      TLJ is like a terminator, it can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse and it simply will not stop until SW is dead. I saw SW when it came out in 77, I was eight years old, but I refuse to gobble up any more plastic Bantha Poodo simply because it has a SW logo on it. The nostalgia of TFA sucked me in, fool me once shame on you, I went to see TLJ, fool me twice shame on me, but I won't be fooled again. George Lucas once stated, during the time he was filming the prequels and catching heat, that nostalgia can kill creativity, seems he was right.

  • @AnAverageGoblin
    @AnAverageGoblin 6 лет назад +2

    Star Wars is dying right now. the direction its going in WILL kill it, not only is a Boba Fett movie happening, but a third cartoon. I personally think this era is worse than the Prequel era.

    • @JayDee284
      @JayDee284 6 лет назад

      there not off the ground yet there's a good chance they might not happen.

  • @CuteFluff8
    @CuteFluff8 6 лет назад +4

    Very true! Our money is our vote! Why don't they get hard core Star Wars fans to sit down and read over the script etc. to make sure their on the right track? It's like there isn't a soul on the new Star Wars movies set were fans of the fransdise.

  • @robertjacques6812
    @robertjacques6812 6 лет назад +6

    This video is the Truth! Amen.

  • @BruceKenobi
    @BruceKenobi 6 лет назад +24

    excellent video, you just captured the zeitgeist in a very objective way. Lucasfilm can't or won't adress the fact that they can't write this stuff in their arrogance, and that's why they tap the political side....sad to see the Greatest Franchise go down the drain...

  • @redknight4805
    @redknight4805 6 лет назад +10

    I really dont care about politics. The fact of the matter is that the new movies (except Rogue One) suck! I don't need to point to politics to explain why I dislike these movies. I can just focus on horrible writing and plot holes. Then Disney/Lucasfilm calls me racist, sexist, misogynist to refute my points. Again I don't care, but they are not doing themselves any favors.

  • @GradiusPilot
    @GradiusPilot 6 лет назад +4

    This was very refreshing; thank you.
    I agree that it’s all about the creativity and NOT the politics. Lucasfilm is not focusing on character and story.
    I enjoyed Solo - but I almost did not go because of Last Jedi. Many of my friends have “opted out” fully.
    I also have a theory that one reason the filmmakers and fan base are getting more political is because the new writing has deliberately tossed out the mythological/archetypical structure of the old movies. Doing that is very risky to the balance of the Force - because it almost guarantees a more ideological subtext to the narrative. Star Wars felt timeless because its stories were timeless.

  • @jimrayno1361
    @jimrayno1361 6 лет назад +4

    Lucasfilm, critics and fans of the Star Wars situation should watch this video. Beautifully said. Nice to have an intellectual articulate this perfectly.

  • @marcrichardson2814
    @marcrichardson2814 6 лет назад +4

    This is the most honest view on how the Star Wars franchise is being treated that I have seen on RUclips. Thank you Michael for this video.

  • @jaredgmetz
    @jaredgmetz 6 лет назад +6

    Excellent analysis!

  • @TheRysumm
    @TheRysumm 6 лет назад +7

    Thank you for your two cents Michael! I agree 💯

  • @ChemistryTalkwithDan
    @ChemistryTalkwithDan 6 лет назад +3

    Thank you sir for being the voice of reason. It's also refreshing to hear that someone else didn't like TFA. For me that was the beginning of the end. In a way, though, the downward spiral of the movies has been a good thing for me because it's given me a reason to finally catch up on the EU books that I haven't yet read. There are some really good stories out there!

  • @RickyPrickles
    @RickyPrickles 6 лет назад +28

    Loved that Michael used Ghostbusters 2016 as an example, perfect comparison.

    • @johnr7279
      @johnr7279 5 лет назад

      Yeah, it was perfect, wasn't it?!

    • @CosmoShidan
      @CosmoShidan 5 лет назад

      How's that even perfect? GB 2016 is a superior film compared to 1984 GB.

  • @PitstainHobbies
    @PitstainHobbies 2 года назад +1

    Almost 4 year later, now Marvel isn't even getting my money, Skipped going to the theater for Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Eternals, but went to the theater to see Spider Man NWH because Sony was steering that ship enough that the final product was very enjoyable. Disney does need to get back to the magic both Lucasfilm and Marvel had before the got eaten by the house of mouse.

  • @classicactionfigures3454
    @classicactionfigures3454 6 лет назад +12

    Excellent video. I'm glad you guys made this. I really do hope that Disney makes the necessary changes to make great Star Wars stories that we can all enjoy.

    • @joncoxe3703
      @joncoxe3703 6 лет назад

      Classic Action Figures it's impossible to make Star Wars movies that everybody likes there's too many time periods too many people's own special attachments to the time they watched it and there's just too much non-canon and Canon stuff spread out between cartoons multiple movies over multiple years Books & Comics. After they made the first one the cat was out of the bag you can never put it back in

    • @aliciadrigo3277
      @aliciadrigo3277 6 лет назад

      i've never watched these movies but isn't the point of business to cater to the fans of your franchise first and foremost?Sure you should try and bring in new fans,but these old fans are the ones who will seeing these movies multiple times and bringing along their friends/family too rather than a casual audience who only likely see the movie once and probably won't pick up the bunches of merchandise either.
      I honestly don't think people wouldn't be as upset as they are if they hadn't made the clearly nostalgia money baiting choice of bringing the OT characters back for the ST trilogy. Think about it. You could cut all the OT characters out of the main movies(that's not even getting into the pointless prequels),replace them,and nothing in the plot would change that much.
      Disney easily could've just focused on the new characters and while fans might've criticized the movies,it wouldn't be as bad and they would've forgotten them. It's the blatant disrespect of the SW franchise and mythos that are getting fans in an uproar. All of the trilogies are meant to be an ongoing saga(not separate standalone movies),so when the connections between TFA and TLJ are inconsistent at best(when the latter is a SEQUEL),what does that say about how much disney respects the brand?
      It's even more baffling to me when you compare it to Disney's other main franchise:Marvel. All of the movies have more care put into them and certainly more respect for the source material. The timeline of the Marvel films are always kept in mind when making new films so it's never jarring.
      It seems to me that the Marvel movies had........ maybe not a rock solid plan,but at least something of a direction they wanted to go in and the fact the the main movies are such a mess tells me that that wasn't the case with the SW ST. Marvel had David Fiege to oversee the Marvel films and it was lucky that he happens to know the source material while also having good business sense.It's too bad they couldn't find such a person for SW. all the issues Kennedy has been having with the films behind the scenes shows that she's at least a little over her head.

    • @aliciadrigo3277
      @aliciadrigo3277 6 лет назад

      Also, to me it's the height of hypocrisy that Disney declared the EU non-canon and yet pieces of the EU keep popping up in the Disney canon. it's like they can't make up their minds or they can't come up with their own stuff. The causal fan is not going to know fuck all about the EU so there's no point in putting it in there if they're aiming for a newer audience to begin with. I was surprised when i watched a video explaining that Holdo was an actual character in the EU.

  • @VinylRewind
    @VinylRewind 6 лет назад +3

    Bravo

  • @death2all79zx
    @death2all79zx 6 лет назад +4

    Let it burn, let it die.

  • @RetroWrestlingGames
    @RetroWrestlingGames 6 лет назад +2

    Great video. Now I liked Force Awakens, I loved Rouge One. When it comes to Last Jedi I didn't like it but I didn't hate it either, but when I left the theater I knew that people were going to be pissed. They didn't advance the story enough. They didn't pay off anything they set up in Force Awakens. They took Rey, a character I was interested in, and just gave her no back story. They killed the big bad, because he was of no consequence to the story. They made Poe look like a chump to teach him a lesson that he already learned in comics and to explain why they had to go to Canto Bright and they made Luke into a sad bitter old man. I felt that the director went out of his way to troll long term fans. The movie looked great and I really like the fight in throne room until Snoke died. I didn't go see Solo either. From a figure perspective I didn't buy any TLJ or Solo figures. Plus did you see the Falcon they release for this movie. " What a piece of Junk".

  • @CuteFluff8
    @CuteFluff8 6 лет назад +6

    Very intelligently said! I'm a fan of the original Star Wars movies only. There was a magic to the 1977 - 1983 Star Wars movies but that magic was lost. I appreciated the little moments that reminded me of the original movies in The Force Awakens but they didn't even do that in the latest "Star Wars" movie. I don't consider them in the Star Wars Universe these other movies. I consider them Bootlegs.

  • @Berder88
    @Berder88 6 лет назад +2

    Best wishes from Istanbul.. Keep up the good work

  • @markbenoit6811
    @markbenoit6811 6 лет назад +4

    I wish Kathleen Kenedy's boss could see this. (PS - I didn't like TFA either.)

  • @floridalmacastanedaordonez2166
    @floridalmacastanedaordonez2166 6 лет назад +9

    I thought TLJ was terrible in so many ways (not a political thing)...I just could care less how the story continues now. Probably not going to watch Solo. Great vid Michael.

  • @jime6688
    @jime6688 6 лет назад +9

    Appreciate this observation on the war between the studio and fans. Thanks.

  • @vernonwilmervideo
    @vernonwilmervideo 3 года назад +1

    Star Wars, Empire, Jedi. (Original theatrical.) Those are my three Star Wars films, those are the toys I collect.

  • @10mtproductions55
    @10mtproductions55 6 лет назад +4

    Well said Micahel, well said.
    I'll admit, when Lucasfilm started off the Disney era with 'Star Wars: Rebels', I actually had hope for the future of the franchise. I was one of those people who wanted to see the Star Wars universe outside of the Skywalker family by introducing new characters and expanding the universe. For the most part I really enjoyed what Rebels did.
    When 'The Force Awakens' dropped, I enjoyed it. Yeah it was a retread of 'A New Hope' for the most part, but I enjoyed it, but I noticed that I wasn't really connecting with most of the new characters like I had with the original trilogy. As for 'Rouge One', I felt that they nailed it with that one. It was fun to see the whole plot point of how the Rebel Alliance obtained the Death Star plans and doing it without needing to shoehorn in as many classic characters as possible. But what I really enjoyed the most was it didn't paint the Rebel Alliance up as the brave heroes that the galaxy needs. They are a war with the Empire and during war, both sides of any conflict will end up doing questionable things and actions that they'll regret later in life, but at that moment in time, they justify what they do for a greater good. It painted a picture that showed the Rebels aren't the perfect heroes that they've always been made out to be.
    But when 'The Last Jedi' released. It was just... disappointing on so many levels. And not in a way where I felt "Oh, well that wasn't all that great. But maybe the next movie will be better", but more like "Wow... That was 7 different kinds of not awesome." It just felt so flat and lifeless and knowing that Rian Johnson has stated that he didn't care for the fans, it showed in the final product. I'm not saying that any franchise has to exclusively cater to the fandom and just the fandom, but fandoms are important to the success of any franchise and if the creative team just goes ahead and pisses all over the fans, it's only going to hurt the franchise in the long run. Like you mentioned, It happened with Ghostbusters, it happened with Star Trek and now it's happening with Star Wars.
    As for 'Solo', I do plan on seeing it at some point as it is an Anthology entry rather than one of the main series Episodes, I'm just not in a rush to go and see it. But when it comes to Episode 9, I'm not sure if I want to see how this new trilogy closes.

  • @ProjectCambrian
    @ProjectCambrian 3 года назад +1

    Yeah, I'm getting caught up. Lol.
    You've got great videos and your views are on point.
    Ghostbusters 2016. My disappointment as an OG fan came from a Purely Customer based reaction to the film.
    False Advertising.
    The initial teaser trailer is that issue of False Advertising.
    "30 years ago THEY saved the world...", Cop Cars leading the way clearing a path for the Ecto-1, then Ghostbusters logo...anyways the besides those details the rest of the trailer is gone from memory as that Sales Pitch Tagline STUCK with me and I'll never forget it.
    To me...trailers are More than a Taste of things to come. Trailers are a PROMISE, in this case the Promise given was that after 30 YEARS, the fans who had waited so patiently Since Ghostbusters 2 for a 3rd film, who had fallen so Deeply in love with the characters, Venknan, Spengler, Stantz and Zeddmore, that we all very much Longed for that sense of wonder and soft Fear of the supernatural and the unknown suddenly quantified in great geeky nerd like fashion and delivered with some of the best humor ever committed to film.
    The bar and Formula for the Ghostbusters films ISN'T Difficult at all...yet what we got was a complete Affront to All OG Ghostbusters fans.
    And like with Star Wars those who liked it mostly had No Attachment to the original films.
    What we got was a Clear Case of Bait and Switch, just I dont know how lying about the Quality of a product applies to Movies when Manufacturing has Legal Consequences for Bait and Switch as well as Faulty Design in which False Advertising is used to cover until or even If a fix is made.
    *cough coughvolkswagon *
    Oo! Pardon me!
    While we did get to see the OG cast make Cameos, they weren't their OG characters at all, just Elseworlds Variants with on Murray's cameo having anything remotely to do with the Profession.
    While I have a Guilty pleasure thing for one of the Female cast members, and can even appreciate the work for the SPFX, I cannot forgive the initial LIE.
    They Advertised that exactly what we wanted Was Coming and then gave us Something Else altogether that came across as insulting to the male portion of that fan base.
    Which is pretty much Half of it.
    Unlike many franchises, Ghostbusters appealed to adults and kids so broadly that the make up was Nearly a 50/50 split with the extra few being male. Still Nearly 50/50.
    Everyone Loved the OG films amd characters. When Murray showed up at the MTV movie awards in Full Venkman Ghostbusters Uniform and walked out on stage....the Reaction EVERYWHERE bub.
    That reaction was Nostalgic HOPE being Teased. I guess Bill wanted to know for sure as it was his doubts about doing a 3rd that kept it from happening.
    But there it was..fan confirmation after Years of hearing Dan Ackroyd
    Say that he and Harold Ramis we're always working on stories trying to find one Worthy of a Third film and I guess, one Good Enough to get Bill to sign on.
    Then Harold Ramis died.
    The loss of Ramis was as big of an impact to the potential future of the franchise as the loss of Carrie Fisher was to Star Wars, only not as widely recognized or grieved by the public, the impact was even more derailing.
    I guess that's when Paul Fieg stepped in with the Female Ghostbusters pitch after enough time had passed and at the 30 year mark, that left Ghostbusters under Paramount only a few years before the Film Rights would Revert Back to their creators.
    This makes the 2016 film Also a Rushed product to just Keep Financial Control over the license and the Executives Not giving a Flying Farrik what was made to renew the stamp on the paper legally.
    Promises be dammed apparently.
    This is why I'm looking forward to Afterlife. I know that the OG crew are gonna show up in some capacity and Be their characters and scenes have just been held back on purpose...hopefully as not to spoil any surprises.
    BUT after the recent track record from Hollywood, I'm doubtful, even with fun and encouraging teasers so far because of 2016 and the fallout since.

  • @FredericGuimont
    @FredericGuimont 6 лет назад +6

    I wasn't too impressed either by TFA but it wasn't until TLJ that I was outraged. Now I'm more hyped to see the results of the boycott than the actual movies. I hope that things will change and we can go back to having great Star Wars movies again. They have the ressources and the talent is out there. They just need to get the bad actors out of the way. Thanks for this balanced view on the whole situation.

  • @Rhett-Christopher
    @Rhett-Christopher 6 лет назад +3

    Awesome job Mike! I agree totally with your assessment. I saw TLJ at a theater one afternoon in Dec and there wasn't alot of people in the theater. After the movie was over I was disappointed walking out of the theater. Kinda the same way I felt about TFA. I just saw Solo in the theater and I was happy about this movie. I liked Solo! I was surprised I liked it! This Solo movie was the first Star Wars as of late that I felt I would go see in the theater or have no hesitancy to buy on disc when it was released.

  • @No1.OriginalTrilogyStarWarsFan
    @No1.OriginalTrilogyStarWarsFan 6 лет назад +3

    Thanks for sharing Mike. Always look forward to a new video. Agree hated what happened to Luke and Han. Hated TFA and TLJ even more terrible films.

  • @djnary2896
    @djnary2896 6 лет назад +1

    This is a very sober and liberating analysis. You're right! We DO need to accept that Star Wars is neither invincible nor eternal. It is aging and not very well.
    From the moment Disney had announced that there would be a new Star Wars film each year, I knew that that was the beginning of the end; it would eventually collapse from oversaturation just as Star Trek had and Kathleen Kennedy would be remembered as the Rick Berman of Star Wars.
    What I DIDN'T anticipate...was that it would happen so quickly.
    After the success of Rogue One- which I loved- I thought that at least- again like Star Trek- we would have a decent 10 or 15 year run before things began to collapse (again, as was the case with Star Trek under Berman, which gave us 12 great years of TNG and DS9 before the implosion began.)
    But I was wrong. Star Wars is dying. I can only hope that with Episode IX, they at least choose to close out the arc of the Skywalker family with Kylo Ren in some semblance of style. But...I'm not holding my breath.

  • @DarrenBrader
    @DarrenBrader 6 лет назад +3

    George Lucas always responded to negative comments about the prequels by saying "I just want to tell my story", he never attacked the fans. George Lucas is a true visionary and always put the story first.

  • @kennethgibson456
    @kennethgibson456 3 года назад +1

    Dead thread I know but feel like a rant lol.
    I honestly cannot even understand how anyone could like TLJ unless they are not into starwars, blinded by politics or just blindly lie to themselves and blindly like starwars no matter what or say they do. Like James bond fans I've met who like the world is not enough or Metallica fans that like st anger. Dr Who fans who say they like the last series. I've met all these folk and not saying they're wrong all subjective but these things are so bad I honestly don't get it!
    Again don't want to politicise but folk who can turn round say the Afghanistan withdrawal went well...same types...blind tribalism.
    The whole Clint Eastwood part you said is exactly right doesn't matter the politics of the makers as long as the product is good but these things are shit!
    I think the mandalorian proves the "fatigue" line is crap. I personally think it's okay but damn it "feels" like starwars...and look it's a success!
    You are right the TLJ type fans are not the majority and it's not a female thing (my starwars fan wife who is a WAY bigger fan than me. thought that it was dire) it was just an horrendous film! It Shat all over starwars legacy and felt small. Also the cringefest that film was from start to finish millennial west coast political shite. First film I walked out thinking " wow every man was pathetic to n this film and it's obvious" sad.

  • @The_Cold_Slither
    @The_Cold_Slither 6 лет назад +3

    You broke it down perfectly. I went to see Solo. I have a ton of points from AMC, so I said screw it. And you know what? It wasn’t a bad movie. Not great, but if it was not for all this drama, it would have made more money. I also agree that Kathleen Kennedy has a weak imagination, but I also think that she’s not a Star Wars fan.

  • @captaingenius-o1c
    @captaingenius-o1c 6 лет назад +1

    In addition to the movies, how many of you have ALSO decided to boycott Disney's theme parks, products in general, and ANYTHING that has to do with disney.......I know I have, and am encouraging anyone that I'm associated with to also join this boycott....

  • @CO2Giger
    @CO2Giger 6 лет назад +4

    Great video! Hope Disney sees it.

  • @pferreira1983
    @pferreira1983 6 лет назад +1

    People complain about what George Lucas did with Star Wars. A group of people will even go as far to say he had nothing to do with the success of Star Wars creatively. It's absolute BS of course, the man gets too much hate but after I sit here after another mediocre Star Wars movie I've already admitted the worst entries of the pre-Disney takeover, specifically The Phantom Menace now looks better to what Disney and Kathleen Kennedy have done so far. That is a problem. Even at his worst Lucas understood Star Wars, Kennedy is a great producer but doesn't have a creative bone in her body. She has no vision.
    Ultimately it pains me the most to see the EU eradicated and replaced by the twisted parallel universe of Disney Star Wars movies. It's like being a child at Christmas, asking your parents for Lego and instead getting the equally expensive but mediocre PlayMobil. It's a slap in the face to all fans who involved themselves into the Bantam Books and video games. No Jedi twins, no Mara Jade, no Dark Forces and now no A. C. Crispin continuity. TFA wasn't progressive, it was terrible and a punch in the gut to those who grew up with Heir to the Empire or the Jedi Academy books. That's the power of writing, I feel like a depressed kid because Star Wars for my childhood did so much as I've grown into an adult. Thanks a lot Disney and Kennedy for ruining that.

  • @gate7clamp
    @gate7clamp 6 лет назад +10

    They need Dave faloni to steer that ship right

  • @roboknight
    @roboknight 3 года назад +1

    Solo did offer me a bit of fun, but I hadn't been to the movies (popcorn and everything) in a long time. Unfortunately, though I agree with everything you've said here, I had to throw them a few dollars because I needed a swashbuckling fix. It didn't buckle enough swash, but it was a small hit. It was also a pretty forgettable movie (no shade on Ron Howard or the actors... the story really needed more work, and I'm somewhat familiar with the author in other arenas). At any rate, its hard not to give some money to Disney because I have two daughters and they both like the rest of the Disney stuff. But as far as Star Wars, good on you for voting with your dollars. At this point, even if they changed directors or came up with a way out, I'll probably just keep my dollars out of Star Wars altogether. I'm just done with it at this point and have a lot of fond memories. Possibly if The Mandalorian doesn't keep getting political I might watch a season more. I don't know how many others are in that camp, but I can tell it isn't just me. If Disney can garner enough die hard fans willing to keep watching that "corpse" as you put it, good on them. But it doesn't seem likely.

  • @A.E.S.R
    @A.E.S.R 6 лет назад +3

    Look at at MCU and how they deal with it..in fact they feel bad for star wars fans on how they're being treated

  • @trustno173
    @trustno173 6 лет назад +1

    I'm honestly kinda done with Star Wars for right now, and it hurts me to say that, as I'm an unapologetic lover of Star Wars who adores the OT, PT, TCW, Rebels, and Rogue One, plus many of the comics, some of the novels and games. But the ST has just pretty much reduced the iconic heroes into a bunch of pathetic losers who never achieved really anything in the long run and Solo sounds utterly uninteresting aside from the Maul cameo. Once Rebels (which Kennedy didn't have much to do with funnily enough) season 4 comes out on blu-ray I'll be done with it until they get their shit together and put Dave Filoni in creative control.
    Or if they stop diddling around and finish up The Clone Wars animated series, since they're wasting so much money on a film nobody wanted, but that's sadly very unlikely.

  • @Ryan-vt3np
    @Ryan-vt3np 6 лет назад +4

    The only star wars fatigues I am aware of is when Michael dresses up like Luke in Empire ;) thank you for such a concise level headed acurite perspective.

    • @Ryan-vt3np
      @Ryan-vt3np 6 лет назад +1

      And, might I add. In this world of hateful name calling and finger pointing I'm loving the troll free safety of RetroBlasting. Thank you again Michael and Melinda for putting a stop to it and giving us all a platform to discuss our passions for childish things in an adult fashion.

  • @zoompt-lm5xw
    @zoompt-lm5xw 4 года назад +1

    A year after your analysis and I can only say that even a pandemic outbreak cannot stop Lucasfilm for double down. In fact they've gone rogue and are now openly defying Bob Iger.
    I would recommend the CEO of Disney to go to the archives and rewatch Fantasia.
    He could see what happens when one play sorcerer's apprentice.
    Bob Iger let her run amok because Bob wanted to run for POTUS and he needed to pander to SJWs and the Karens that run the Dem Party.
    He accepted KK from Lucas. He nurtered KK after Lucas was gone. He must now deal with her.

  • @justinreilly6619
    @justinreilly6619 6 лет назад +3

    The fan and studio reaction to The Last Jedi, which has bled profusely into Solo has been hugely upsetting for me as a Star Wars fan. Taking out any criticism of these two movies, the hatred that comes from the two different sides to me just is not what the Star Wars universe is all about.
    Great post Michael, I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on a franchise that is now becoming so divisive, an island of rationality in a sea of anger. And we all know where those thoughts lead. 😢