In future vids you should use the Fashionscape plugin to wear items you don't have, then just put a static image edit of the item and the affected stats for the equipment screen. And, I'd just do a quick second take for reading audio lines instead of flashing on white text
I actually liked dungeoneering as a skill, was fun to do with friends. Low stakes content, cozy. All building to those sick chaotics which were pretty good.
You missed god book for range off hand at start. Also forgot mage arena 1 cape, range cape was never bis over avas, it just had prayer bonus. I would've also included old void range set which was got nerfed and was actually op.
Good Catch on the unholy book. I remember checking the arma book and it came out way later so I must have just forgot the other ones came out first. Mage arena 1 cape is there though
Ironman was the best thing to happen to the game. It just made all new weapons feel like an addition to work towards instead of just buying for dirt cheap after they crash.
Slight nitpick but dragon defenders weren't available at release of OSRS. Best was rune iirc. Edit: Sorry, just got to 06:54 where you address the dragon defender bit. My bad.
I feel this concept is very undervalued currently. I hope they will soon see that most people who are casual and want to get into doing harder content just simply wont bother based on the fact that around 8bill is needed for max gear. Nice vid, i hope jagex soon does anything notable about this.
You don’t need max gear to do content, it just helps you do everything a bit faster. Gear helps create a clear progression from early/mid game bosses to endgame content like raids.
Yes! This is what is stopping me currently from playing.. I feel like I have to read the whole wiki to do anything effectively. I wish I was a kid again and have time to play 12 hours a day lmao
The G.E didn’t exist with the original 2007 version? I remember the G.E coming out when RuneScape was still early in development, but I guess it must’ve been past 2007 where it was introduced?
The G.E didn't come out for a while and people were against it for a long time. Which I understand. It was nice nostalgia selling stuff at banks. But people quickly started using zybez for sales. So eventually it was just better to just have the G.E
Love the video, but I think next time you should go back and fix the errors you notice before release. It creates a more polished video and it's just a good habit to have if you want to grow big on RUclips oneday. Cheers!
Agreed. And if you don't have the item just use an editor to overrule the image. Stats are not always what they used to be anyways. On that note, why snakeskin over ranger boots in the old days.
@@user-ee5gw9uz1s I gotta be honest, I see it a lot with OSRS YTers. Not mispronunciations, not minor misinformation. Major gaps in knowledge yet confidence in conveying what they're saying for content or clout
Im awful at bossing but I still buy OP equipment in hopes I get good, 2 pieces of Masori (f) negate magic damage from Scurrius so at least I can pretend I’m improving
I just recently started playing osrs as an actual RS3 player. Just recently got 70 magic using the mystic smoked staff for the 10% accuracy and damage boost to my normal spells. I'm still using mystic armour except for infinity boots. I was also using tome of water as I was training at blue dragons boosting my water spells. I'm soon to get that necklace you mentioned that got debuffed. So far I have about 40 something quests done and around 104qps. I'll continue with the grind however I'm stuck with which should be my next weapon upgrade. I was looking up the weapons and liked the toxic death staff sitting around 16m. I'm working towards the cash. Is the staff worth it or which weapon should I aim for?
No not at all, it's really a niche item that was surging because of project rebalance. Your best magic DPS is going to be a trident of the swamps for like 3m or so. For overall upgrades I reccomend basing it around what you want to do in game. For TOA and Cox a fang would be a solid jack of all trades upgrade. It's really hard to say without knowing the full situation But I wouldn't buy a staff of the dead unless you know exactly why you're getting it.
@@patyfatycake_OSRS right now my main goal is to build up my account unlocking my quests, gaining some skill levels for qol, get decent gear to get my feet wet at some low lvl pvm and slowly move up to the high end pvm. I'm starting from scratch so no bond buying or gp swapping has happened. I don't even know how to make decent gp yet. So far all has been a very slow grind for me.
Their initial proposal made it so end-game gear was better, but after the revisions, end-game gear remains mostly the same, whereas pretty much anyone using Augury and still had an Occult were buffed in a non-shadow setup if they just take advantage of 2 or more of the new sources of magic damage, like eternal boots, any Hat/body/legs of infinity or better. Even without Augury, Mystic Might with Ahrims and Occult is equal damage bonus on non-shadow mage gear, and that's not even counting boots or any off-hand you might wanna use. While the Damage output of max mage technically increased, it only really got better if you actively took advantage of each and every piece, otherwise it's worse. So if you're doing some magic only content like Whisperer it's a straight upgrade, but in situations like raids or colosseum where you'd want to use other styles, you'd need to bring more switches or let DPS of one or more styles suffer. A way that both end-game and mid-game is nerfed is that for barraging/such, it's more important to bring mage gear, so proselyte barraging and tank gear barrows becomes less viable. But I argue it makes more sense to be using magic in magic gear
I think that the powercreep in OSRS has showed how outdated the defense system is. Defense bonuses from armor are not very valuable compared to getting more offensive bonuses.
@@patyfatycake_OSRS It is more than just faster kills=less damage taken. There are more ways to scale dps than there are to scale defense. Basically accuracy counters defense, but accuracy scales multiplicatively with max hit. Technically defense scales multiplicatively with HP, but levels (strength for melee) scales multiplicatively with strength bonuses from gear. That means as powercreep continues the time to kill in PvP decreases. There are already combos that can hit higher than 99 HP+ an anglerfish. In pve, it means that enemies have much higher HP than the player, and the NPC's stats. I think armor and defense levels should provide some % based damage resistance, in addition to making the enemy more likely to miss.
10bil for full bis doesnt sound right. Its 5bil for all the mega rares and their respective armors, and maybe add an extra bill total for the misc slots for each style
All 3 mega rares are over 4.5b total, ancestral is 380m, masori is 205m, torva is 950m. That doesn't include other pvm items like elysian, inquisitor, etc. So he's not that far off with his 10b estimate.
He was takinng everything into account, ely, inq, zaryte, maul, nightmare staff( Eldritch, harm) the dt2 rings etc. if anyting he might even be off a bit, things have become quite pricey
Torva is like 900m to 1B, Twisted bow is 1.7, scythe 1.3, shadow 1.4, ancestral is 380m, if you include Ely that's 720m. Elidinis ward is 130m, Masori is around 200m, ultor ring 170m, elder maul 130m, zaryte crossbow 400m, zaryte vambs 120m .9 + 1.7 + 1.3 + 1.4 + .38 + .72 + .13 + .2 + .17 + .13 + .4 + .12... That's about 7.5 billion. I probably missed some stuff, feel free to add it in.
Power creep is a double edged sword. On one hand, new BiS items are needed as the game evolves and are good for the health of the game. The downside is more about balancing. If power creep is kept unchecked, new items may absolutely trivialize content, making once decent money makers for med lvls nigh obsolete, forcing them to rush to end game to make their account sustainable. It's important to maintain a balance between direct upgrades and side grades, to maintain a healthy progression curve. Tf2's item unlocks are a good example of maintaining balance, each item fills a nieche for certain playstyles, never directly taking the drivers seat as BiS. Hope I made any sense.
He litterally said it's necessary for the longevity of these types of games. Powercreep often has a negative connotation because it's hard to get it right. Many game devs go a bit too hard on the powercreep. I feel like osrs does it really well, with a few exceptions in the earlier days. Bis upgrades should be related to how long it takes the previous and the new bis. If a grind takes the average player 10 months, it makes no sense to make a new bis of it every year. The way bis upgrades are spaced now is really healthy. The addition of side-grades and midgame upgrades makes the game so much better for new players or rebuilds.
I done G. Guardians with 50k setup with supplies counting in the 50k and could get 3-4 kc in a trip. That prepared to bis gear of 50-80 kc per trip. I'll say from the level 40 gear to bis is a good jump sure but a 27M setup I can put in 40+ kc a trip and that's more mid level gear. From mid to bis is not a huge jump currently.
Instead of calling out mistakes on screen, just re-record your voice over man. It's hardly more effort and doesn't give your video such an amateur vibe
Changing the voice over doesn't change the on screen mistakes. And the "before you comment, I already know" strategy is fine. To actually fix this he would have to re record the segment and go back to the editing room AND redo the voice over. However, nothing wrong with being an amateur. We all start somewhere. I enjoy the quaintness
@@olsneakypete9714 Yea honestly didn't think it would tilt people so hard. Fixing this would be roughly 30-40 minutes of work vs 20 seconds of adding text.
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Fake news, power creep doesn't exist, Rune armour is still bis as a f2p
but... they got gold decorative boots, which gives +1 str bonus 😱
F2p basically hasn't changed since 2005
Dragonstone bis
In future vids you should use the Fashionscape plugin to wear items you don't have, then just put a static image edit of the item and the affected stats for the equipment screen.
And, I'd just do a quick second take for reading audio lines instead of flashing on white text
Left the game in 2008 or so and first started OSRS in the last few years. Appreciate the education on early OSRS.
i feel like back in the day, dungoneering fixed the gap between just being rich to afford good gear.
Dungeoneering certainly did something, but I wouldn't say it "fixed" the issues with powercreep
I just want that mage shield from dungeoneering, thing looked sick as hell
I actually liked dungeoneering as a skill, was fun to do with friends. Low stakes content, cozy. All building to those sick chaotics which were pretty good.
@@eurasiacentertutorials9518 Same, It was fun especially before EOC
@@patyfatycake_OSRSthe farseer one?
Forgot the dboots with the bandos set lol
Also I believe Ranger boots were added before
Just a small thing but u said bofa was released in 2019 with gauntlet but it actually didint come into game until 2021, was just saeldor at the start
You missed god book for range off hand at start. Also forgot mage arena 1 cape, range cape was never bis over avas, it just had prayer bonus. I would've also included old void range set which was got nerfed and was actually op.
Good Catch on the unholy book. I remember checking the arma book and it came out way later so I must have just forgot the other ones came out first. Mage arena 1 cape is there though
@@patyfatycake_OSRS Dragon Defender also didn't exist at the start
He mentioned the rune def issue later on in the video. Also no ranger boots?
might have also been good to include rigour (and augury?) as CoX power increase
only at 1:20 but that had me cackling. Also hi! i'm your new clan mate, lady karmen in rs :)
Ironman was the best thing to happen to the game. It just made all new weapons feel like an addition to work towards instead of just buying for dirt cheap after they crash.
I feel like you’ve been getting more sponsors. I’m happy for you, man.
Slight nitpick but dragon defenders weren't available at release of OSRS. Best was rune iirc.
Edit: Sorry, just got to 06:54 where you address the dragon defender bit. My bad.
I feel this concept is very undervalued currently. I hope they will soon see that most people who are casual and want to get into doing harder content just simply wont bother based on the fact that around 8bill is needed for max gear.
Nice vid, i hope jagex soon does anything notable about this.
You don't need bis to do anything in the game. Don't get discouraged
You don’t need max gear to do content, it just helps you do everything a bit faster. Gear helps create a clear progression from early/mid game bosses to endgame content like raids.
I think Jagex wants max gear to be expensive, it gives players something to chase
Yes! This is what is stopping me currently from playing.. I feel like I have to read the whole wiki to do anything effectively. I wish I was a kid again and have time to play 12 hours a day lmao
power creep when power casanova walks in:
Best vid to date paty, well done!
You deserve to be one of the big creators.
the dragon defender wasn't added till February 5th 2015, rune was the bis at the for the original snapshot.
hmm, you dont say!
The G.E didn’t exist with the original 2007 version? I remember the G.E coming out when RuneScape was still early in development, but I guess it must’ve been past 2007 where it was introduced?
It did not, game started with people yelling "selling lobsters" then it moved onto zybez, then the trading post, then the ge finally came out
The G.E didn't come out for a while and people were against it for a long time. Which I understand. It was nice nostalgia selling stuff at banks. But people quickly started using zybez for sales. So eventually it was just better to just have the G.E
Love the video, but I think next time you should go back and fix the errors you notice before release. It creates a more polished video and it's just a good habit to have if you want to grow big on RUclips oneday.
Cheers!
Missing those ranger boots if you want full BiS for range ;)
sick vid, loved it esp as a new player
I'd advise re-recording the mistakes to fix them instead of just throwing white text at the screen for half a second. Cool vid tho
Yeah this is a pretty sloppily made video.
Agreed. And if you don't have the item just use an editor to overrule the image. Stats are not always what they used to be anyways. On that note, why snakeskin over ranger boots in the old days.
Yeah it’s kinda crazy that someone planned to make a video indicating knowledge of the subjects and not even knowing the stats of items
@@user-ee5gw9uz1s I gotta be honest, I see it a lot with OSRS YTers. Not mispronunciations, not minor misinformation. Major gaps in knowledge yet confidence in conveying what they're saying for content or clout
Im awful at bossing but I still buy OP equipment in hopes I get good, 2 pieces of Masori (f) negate magic damage from Scurrius so at least I can pretend I’m improving
thanks for the interesting video, watching while i eat.
U forgot the ranger boots towards the beginning
Good video except you got a lot of bis gear sets wrong like forgetting zammy book for range bonus and d boots and ranger boots
I just recently started playing osrs as an actual RS3 player. Just recently got 70 magic using the mystic smoked staff for the 10% accuracy and damage boost to my normal spells. I'm still using mystic armour except for infinity boots. I was also using tome of water as I was training at blue dragons boosting my water spells. I'm soon to get that necklace you mentioned that got debuffed. So far I have about 40 something quests done and around 104qps. I'll continue with the grind however I'm stuck with which should be my next weapon upgrade. I was looking up the weapons and liked the toxic death staff sitting around 16m. I'm working towards the cash. Is the staff worth it or which weapon should I aim for?
No not at all, it's really a niche item that was surging because of project rebalance. Your best magic DPS is going to be a trident of the swamps for like 3m or so.
For overall upgrades I reccomend basing it around what you want to do in game.
For TOA and Cox a fang would be a solid jack of all trades upgrade.
It's really hard to say without knowing the full situation But I wouldn't buy a staff of the dead unless you know exactly why you're getting it.
@@patyfatycake_OSRS right now my main goal is to build up my account unlocking my quests, gaining some skill levels for qol, get decent gear to get my feet wet at some low lvl pvm and slowly move up to the high end pvm. I'm starting from scratch so no bond buying or gp swapping has happened. I don't even know how to make decent gp yet. So far all has been a very slow grind for me.
nice vid! and i havent even watched it yet
Late game magic benefits the most from the recent combat changes what do you mean? They literally made sure the end game gear was stronger
Their initial proposal made it so end-game gear was better, but after the revisions, end-game gear remains mostly the same, whereas pretty much anyone using Augury and still had an Occult were buffed in a non-shadow setup if they just take advantage of 2 or more of the new sources of magic damage, like eternal boots, any Hat/body/legs of infinity or better. Even without Augury, Mystic Might with Ahrims and Occult is equal damage bonus on non-shadow mage gear, and that's not even counting boots or any off-hand you might wanna use.
While the Damage output of max mage technically increased, it only really got better if you actively took advantage of each and every piece, otherwise it's worse. So if you're doing some magic only content like Whisperer it's a straight upgrade, but in situations like raids or colosseum where you'd want to use other styles, you'd need to bring more switches or let DPS of one or more styles suffer.
A way that both end-game and mid-game is nerfed is that for barraging/such, it's more important to bring mage gear, so proselyte barraging and tank gear barrows becomes less viable. But I argue it makes more sense to be using magic in magic gear
whats with the cake at 3:15? lol
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you shouldnt have put cosmetics on items but kept them as they actually look for the purpose of the video
I think that the powercreep in OSRS has showed how outdated the defense system is. Defense bonuses from armor are not very valuable compared to getting more offensive bonuses.
True, faster kill = less dmg taken
Never not the better option, except... solo corp is the only place i can think of where you bring ely>defender
@@patyfatycake_OSRS It is more than just faster kills=less damage taken. There are more ways to scale dps than there are to scale defense. Basically accuracy counters defense, but accuracy scales multiplicatively with max hit. Technically defense scales multiplicatively with HP, but levels (strength for melee) scales multiplicatively with strength bonuses from gear. That means as powercreep continues the time to kill in PvP decreases. There are already combos that can hit higher than 99 HP+ an anglerfish. In pve, it means that enemies have much higher HP than the player, and the NPC's stats. I think armor and defense levels should provide some % based damage resistance, in addition to making the enemy more likely to miss.
10bil for full bis doesnt sound right. Its 5bil for all the mega rares and their respective armors, and maybe add an extra bill total for the misc slots for each style
All 3 mega rares are over 4.5b total, ancestral is 380m, masori is 205m, torva is 950m. That doesn't include other pvm items like elysian, inquisitor, etc. So he's not that far off with his 10b estimate.
He was takinng everything into account, ely, inq, zaryte, maul, nightmare staff( Eldritch, harm) the dt2 rings etc. if anyting he might even be off a bit, things have become quite pricey
My gear tab currently says 10.1b and I'm missing a few items still like eldrich and voli, so it's closer to 10.5b+ for full max rn
Torva is like 900m to 1B, Twisted bow is 1.7, scythe 1.3, shadow 1.4, ancestral is 380m, if you include Ely that's 720m. Elidinis ward is 130m, Masori is around 200m, ultor ring 170m, elder maul 130m, zaryte crossbow 400m, zaryte vambs 120m
.9 + 1.7 + 1.3 + 1.4 + .38 + .72 + .13 + .2 + .17 + .13 + .4 + .12...
That's about 7.5 billion. I probably missed some stuff, feel free to add it in.
Rune defender not dragon defender
Tbow is no longer the strongest weapon in the game. It is by far the worst out of the megarares
Dude are you waering chapstick? 13:42
Why is power creep considered a negative? The argument against seems to be sentimental "i want the blowpipe to be op forever" babies
Power creep is a double edged sword. On one hand, new BiS items are needed as the game evolves and are good for the health of the game.
The downside is more about balancing. If power creep is kept unchecked, new items may absolutely trivialize content, making once decent money makers for med lvls nigh obsolete, forcing them to rush to end game to make their account sustainable.
It's important to maintain a balance between direct upgrades and side grades, to maintain a healthy progression curve.
Tf2's item unlocks are a good example of maintaining balance, each item fills a nieche for certain playstyles, never directly taking the drivers seat as BiS.
Hope I made any sense.
He litterally said it's necessary for the longevity of these types of games. Powercreep often has a negative connotation because it's hard to get it right. Many game devs go a bit too hard on the powercreep. I feel like osrs does it really well, with a few exceptions in the earlier days. Bis upgrades should be related to how long it takes the previous and the new bis. If a grind takes the average player 10 months, it makes no sense to make a new bis of it every year. The way bis upgrades are spaced now is really healthy. The addition of side-grades and midgame upgrades makes the game so much better for new players or rebuilds.
Yeah but the new weapons are 1000x better. Slightly better sure but not a huge difference.
I done G. Guardians with 50k setup with supplies counting in the 50k and could get 3-4 kc in a trip. That prepared to bis gear of 50-80 kc per trip. I'll say from the level 40 gear to bis is a good jump sure but a 27M setup I can put in 40+ kc a trip and that's more mid level gear. From mid to bis is not a huge jump currently.
Having text on the screen for half a second is annoying af
Power creep isn’t bad.
games so fucking dead
Instead of calling out mistakes on screen, just re-record your voice over man. It's hardly more effort and doesn't give your video such an amateur vibe
Changing the voice over doesn't change the on screen mistakes. And the "before you comment, I already know" strategy is fine. To actually fix this he would have to re record the segment and go back to the editing room AND redo the voice over. However, nothing wrong with being an amateur. We all start somewhere. I enjoy the quaintness
@@olsneakypete9714 Yea honestly didn't think it would tilt people so hard. Fixing this would be roughly 30-40 minutes of work vs 20 seconds of adding text.