Thanks so much for the compare and contrast, very informative. One of the guns I handled in my firearms class was a Uberti 5.5 SAA. 3:10 to Yuma was great. My introduction to both guns was: I had a Colt SAA cap gun at 6 and at 10, I was watching Dead Man's Gun and the Schofield was the "cursed" gun that traveled around.
If you're wondering what happened to that 1866 rifle, after you returned it they sold it to Grabagun who then sold it to me. I immediately recognized it in your video from the nick on the receiver and the wood grain in the stock. And yes it was a turd, and I was pretty unhappy when I received it. Then when I shot it I had some more problems, so it went straight back to Taylors who replaced the rifle for me. Hopefully it was scrapped afterwards and didn't end up with a third unlucky owner. BTW this is not a criticism of Taylors, as they did me right in the end.
Which is inaccurate, the stats for all the guns is off. Most of the guns should kill with 1 shot, but the Colt should be the most powerful handgun in the game. It took .45 colt which is more powerful than the modern .45acp. The scholfeild took a similar cartridge but it was smaller than the colt. It should be next up after the colt. The volcanic pisol should be the weakest
What you reviewers forget the Schofield was issued by Wells Fargo to their agents in a 5" barrel. The .45 Colt's copper casing has a rim is too small for the ejector to grap. This also why Winchester never could make a rifle/carbine in .45 Colt. The rim was too small & would be tour up & jam the long arm.
The Schofield had the genius break down and ejection. Super fast reloads. But the s&w bullet only killed the model. Plus the Colt was just so pointy and shooty. The sleek ergos on the Colt more than made up for it's slower reload times. It damn near aimed itself. I like em both truth be told. Who and when were the first side pop out cylinder revolvers made???
Contrary to popular belief the S&W Model 3 actually outsold the Colt up until 1900. However it's a mostly forgotten handgun thanks to the western films which featured the Colt almost exclusively for many years. It also didn't help that the Model 3 was discontinued in 1915 while the Colt remains in production to this day. The Schofield model didn't last partly because of the caliber issue you mentioned, and partly because S&W didn't want to keep paying Major Schofield royalties for the latch design.
@@DK-gy7llBut the caliber/loading lived on, because the .45 ACP is essentially a rimless version of the round, including the bullet weight and ballistics.
Should've had the Colt clones facing the other way to show the loading gate. Absolute classic revolvers. I own both of these. I also own an original Schofield No. 3 and Colt Army single action revolver. I shoot them very sparingly. If I own it ... It will be shot. Just like God intended. LOL! Great shooters when I feel like going classic at the range.
Sir your production overall would've been great were it for the distraction of constantly hearing & trying to discern 1970-1975. I couldn't listen no more
I have an 1866 from Taylors which shoots great and looks flawless. The action is smooth as butter. I guess it was just bad luck you got that one. I have heard the same thing about Cimarron being better, but I have not encountered these problems. I have Schoefield's from both companies and they are both excellent. I have had pretty good luck from both companies with great firearms quality and no issues. Taylors actually packages their handgun's better and even includes a case in the box for their firearms. Great video, very informative!
Got a Uberti 45LC IN AUCTION ,, Paid less than half price and almost came home with one in a 38 for a little less on price,,, nobody wanted to bid much on them... Very glad I got a great deal,,, what grain would you recommend to use in it in the 45LC? AND GREAT INFORMATION,,, I wasn’t sure if mine was considered the no3 2nd model but I think you summed it up
Mostly regurgitated internet storys. The deal when comparing the two is to compare within the era. That is black power era. The cartridges of the era are not what they are today. They were soft copper cases, internally primed, very small folded rim cartridges. This was the reason the SAA was favored over the Smith. After firing the filtly sooty black power Schofield cartridge, the sticky residue acted like glue dependent on humidity and round count. As little as two cylinders fired the Smith upon ejection, would have the star ejector slip over the cartridge rims on some or all cartridges rendering the gun close to impossible to reload without disassembly. Not good in a combat environment. This was not a possibility with the slower to unload colt.
After learning about Wesson refusing to chamber to accommodate.45lc, only making the schofield patented changes because he was forced to and then refusing to use the changes after the the army stopped buying the model 3, even refusing to use the improvements after Schofield’s patent expired, choosing instead to redesign his own method (which still required 2 hand operation) I can only come to the conclusion that Wesson was an extremely stubborn and spiteful man. The kind of guy who always has to be correct, and if you disagree then you’re beneath him. He really only had himself to blame for the lack of the model 3’s military success.
It may have got the nickname "Long" during an especially verbose sermon, as this round was known to expound on brimstone and salvation at the drop of a hat.
It's been my experience that Cimarron is no better than any other importer. I actually bought one Cimarron that was a mess, it showed up with a 45LC cylinder and a .357 barrel. After several months getting nowhere with them I threatened legal action and they sent me a new cylinder and hand that I had to fit myself. Cimarron spends a lot on glitzy advertising and makes a lot of unfounded claims of superiority.
Schofield is like a Lamborghini or other sport car. Streamlined. SAA:s are bulky in height. And, by the way, all modern revolvers are bulky in height. So I wish the modern revolvers were as streamlined as Schofield. The only thing I would change on Schofield is more modern look of the trigger guard and trigger. So a combination of Schofield grip, frame and barrel design and tirgger guard and trigger design of modern revolvers would create the magic.
The real reason for the army dropping the Schofield, is that the horse soldier did not like it, because of the method of unloading and loading, which you say is better than the Colt SAA; on paper, you are correct; but, for real life, you are wrong. The horse soldier wanted to be able to extract and load, one cartridge at a time; for example, the horse soldier might fire one, two, or three cartridges, then an interruption would allow time to top off the gun, extracting, and replacing only those empty cases, not open the gun, and loose all the cartridges to the ground.
Interesting! Sounds possible. . Now, you can open the Schofield without dumping any cartridges, but that would require any fired shells to be extracted by finger, and if they are stuck that could be hard. . On the other hand, reloading all 6 is much quicker with the Scho. . There is also the story of ammo incompatibility, you are probably referring to that as the not-real reason.
PS Also there's another downside to my favorite revolver: when you reach for the hammer you can sometimes get the frame catch instead and open up the gun. . The earlier versions would not have this problem, but the #3 frame-mounted latch version (like my bb gun replica) does. . My H&R revolver has a top break like the earlier Schofields, with the catch on the barrel. It doesn't have that issue, but it does have the issue that it can open up when drawn from the holster. . .
I clearly meant 1800’s... When you do these videos it is very easy for your brain to get stuck on an incorrect term that you keep repeating through the course of the video. You either re-record the entire thing, or just upload with the hopes that reasonable people will understand what you meant.
The Schofield is a pretty revolver.
It was certainly a better revolver too for the time period.
The 7.5" Uberti SAA and Schofield are beautiful. I dragged my wife into the store yesterday just to look out them.
Thanks so much for the compare and contrast, very informative. One of the guns I handled in my firearms class was a Uberti 5.5 SAA.
3:10 to Yuma was great. My introduction to both guns was: I had a Colt SAA cap gun at 6 and at 10, I was watching Dead Man's Gun and the Schofield was the "cursed" gun that traveled around.
If you're wondering what happened to that 1866 rifle, after you returned it they sold it to Grabagun who then sold it to me. I immediately recognized it in your video from the nick on the receiver and the wood grain in the stock. And yes it was a turd, and I was pretty unhappy when I received it. Then when I shot it I had some more problems, so it went straight back to Taylors who replaced the rifle for me. Hopefully it was scrapped afterwards and didn't end up with a third unlucky owner. BTW this is not a criticism of Taylors, as they did me right in the end.
All I know is the Schofield done kill folk with less bullets in Rdr2.
Which is inaccurate, the stats for all the guns is off. Most of the guns should kill with 1 shot, but the Colt should be the most powerful handgun in the game. It took .45 colt which is more powerful than the modern .45acp. The scholfeild took a similar cartridge but it was smaller than the colt. It should be next up after the colt. The volcanic pisol should be the weakest
Dude he said in a video game not real life
What you reviewers forget the Schofield was issued by Wells Fargo to their agents in a 5" barrel.
The .45 Colt's copper casing has a rim is too small for the ejector to grap. This also why Winchester never could make a rifle/carbine in .45 Colt. The rim was too small & would be tour up & jam the long arm.
They could have invented moon clips! I tell ya, it's really something to see moon clips in action on a top break 😁
The Schofield had the genius break down and ejection. Super fast reloads. But the s&w bullet only killed the model. Plus the Colt was just so pointy and shooty. The sleek ergos on the Colt more than made up for it's slower reload times. It damn near aimed itself. I like em both truth be told. Who and when were the first side pop out cylinder revolvers made???
I think the 1892 colt was the first? someone correct me if im wrong
Contrary to popular belief the S&W Model 3 actually outsold the Colt up until 1900. However it's a mostly forgotten handgun thanks to the western films which featured the Colt almost exclusively for many years. It also didn't help that the Model 3 was discontinued in 1915 while the Colt remains in production to this day. The Schofield model didn't last partly because of the caliber issue you mentioned, and partly because S&W didn't want to keep paying Major Schofield royalties for the latch design.
The S&W Model 1 in .22 Short (7-shot) and .32 (5-shot) was the first in 1859.
@@DK-gy7llBut the caliber/loading lived on, because the .45 ACP is essentially a rimless version of the round, including the bullet weight and ballistics.
Should've had the Colt clones facing the other way to show the loading gate. Absolute classic revolvers. I own both of these. I also own an original Schofield No. 3 and Colt Army single action revolver. I shoot them very sparingly. If I own it ... It will be shot. Just like God intended. LOL! Great shooters when I feel like going classic at the range.
Sir your production overall would've been great were it for the distraction of constantly hearing & trying to discern 1970-1975. I couldn't listen no more
It would be interesting to see the Military Issue holsters for these two guns.
I have an 1866 from Taylors which shoots great and looks flawless. The action is smooth as butter. I guess it was just bad luck you got that one. I have heard the same thing about Cimarron being better, but I have not encountered these problems. I have Schoefield's from both companies and they are both excellent. I have had pretty good luck from both companies with great firearms quality and no issues. Taylors actually packages their handgun's better and even includes a case in the box for their firearms. Great video, very informative!
the patent was on a through bore cylinder, Colt had no through bored cylinder guns and could not make any until the patent ran out.
Damn cool awesome quick and to the point vid by the way. No bullshit. Ya get right down to it.
Thanks for this information
Got a Uberti 45LC IN AUCTION ,, Paid less than half price and almost came home with one in a 38 for a little less on price,,, nobody wanted to bid much on them... Very glad I got a great deal,,, what grain would you recommend to use in it in the 45LC? AND GREAT INFORMATION,,, I wasn’t sure if mine was considered the no3 2nd model but I think you summed it up
Do you have these in stock? Looking locally (Indianapolis area) for a 4.75" barrel Cimarron Model P in .357. Thanks!
Mostly regurgitated internet storys. The deal when comparing the two is to compare within the era. That is black power era. The cartridges of the era are not what they are today. They were soft copper cases, internally primed, very small folded rim cartridges. This was the reason the SAA was favored over the Smith. After firing the filtly sooty black power Schofield cartridge, the sticky residue acted like glue dependent on humidity and round count. As little as two cylinders fired the Smith upon ejection, would have the star ejector slip over the cartridge rims on some or all cartridges rendering the gun close to impossible to reload without disassembly. Not good in a combat environment. This was not a possibility with the slower to unload colt.
Excellent review and comparison thanks.
Is the 4 3/4 inch SAA also known as the cattleman or is that a different gun altogether? Thanks again.
Go buy a Brownell base pin puller tool for your SAA 1873 or your 1875 Outlaw. The 1875 Outlaw is the toughest and you have less problems.
8:09 When????? 🤪 8:36 8:49 😁 18:10 That's not right. The Uberti Revolver Model 1875 Top Break comes in .38 Spl, .44-40, and .45 colt
310 to yumah.... great movie... now I want to watch it
Such a good movie. Btw its yuma
@@jordanr2244 Actually as the name of a town, it would be, Yuma..
all of these are carry 5 with the hammer down on an empty chamber
6 if you're brave, and very careful.
@@larrikinlancer685 6 only if you're in a gun fight or at the range. 5 if you're smart and don't want to shoot a hole in your leg or foot.
After learning about Wesson refusing to chamber to accommodate.45lc, only making the schofield patented changes because he was forced to and then refusing to use the changes after the the army stopped buying the model 3, even refusing to use the improvements after Schofield’s patent expired, choosing instead to redesign his own method (which still required 2 hand operation) I can only come to the conclusion that Wesson was an extremely stubborn and spiteful man.
The kind of guy who always has to be correct, and if you disagree then you’re beneath him.
He really only had himself to blame for the lack of the model 3’s military success.
Can you tell me what the lettering on the pistol grips stand for? One side says 1877 but I can’t make out the letters on both sides..
Those are imitation inspector stamps on the cartouche - Uberti trying to keep things authentic.
Love these units!
How many bullets do you loose as you ride along with your revolver open and out of battery? a colt is never out of battery.
Just don't accidently hit the hammer hard on the original Colts or you'll get a hole in your leg or horse.
Tim Oneill >>> If the actions open , hopefully all the empty cases are lost , thats the point .
Wabbit >>>Same with all SAA Colt clones and .... the Model 3 S&W. Carry 5 , hammer on empty chamber .
Looks like it would be real difficult to fan a Schofield
No one who actually wanted to hit anything back when these guns were made "fanned" one of these guns. That's just a bunch of Hollywood BS.
@vinnyb.6524 It's also very hard on the gun...but Clint Eastwood's character didn't care lol.
I don't think Uberti ever supplied anything to the army and wasn't even around in the 1800s.
Yes, they're reproductions of the respective Colt and S&W revolvers
Smith & Wesson made a run of the Schofield in 2000 year there was only 2500 made and they were made in the 45 schofield caliber
CALVARY is the hilltop on which our Lord was crucified. CAVALRY are horse-mounted troops. Good explanatory video.
There is no such thing as a .45 Long Colt cartridge. It is simply the .45 Colt.
It may have got the nickname "Long" during an especially verbose sermon, as this round was known to expound on brimstone and salvation at the drop of a hat.
@@nmarbletoe8210 the monicker was hung on the 45 colt because of shorter 45 smith & Wesson cartridge to distinguish the two cartridges
That commercial was funny asf
Did Billy the Kid really use a schofield? I thought he would have used a colt? At least in the movies and tv show, he uses colt's unless I'm wrong.
hi, are these co2 ?.
Nobody answered your question so I will answer it for you know these fire cartridges. Real bullets. They are not CO2
It's been my experience that Cimarron is no better than any other importer. I actually bought one Cimarron that was a mess, it showed up with a 45LC cylinder and a .357 barrel. After several months getting nowhere with them I threatened legal action and they sent me a new cylinder and hand that I had to fit myself. Cimarron spends a lot on glitzy advertising and makes a lot of unfounded claims of superiority.
listening to all the "19"s is painful.
I agree...
WAH FING WA
or real fire arms?
Yes they are real
Schofield is like a Lamborghini or other sport car. Streamlined. SAA:s are bulky in height. And, by the way, all modern revolvers are bulky in height. So I wish the modern revolvers were as streamlined as Schofield. The only thing I would change on Schofield is more modern look of the trigger guard and trigger. So a combination of Schofield grip, frame and barrel design and tirgger guard and trigger design of modern revolvers would create the magic.
The real reason for the army dropping the Schofield, is that the horse soldier did not like it, because of the method of unloading and loading, which you say is better than the Colt SAA; on paper, you are correct; but, for real life, you are wrong. The horse soldier wanted to be able to extract and load, one cartridge at a time; for example, the horse soldier might fire one, two, or three cartridges, then an interruption would allow time to top off the gun, extracting, and replacing only those empty cases, not open the gun, and loose all the cartridges to the ground.
Interesting! Sounds possible.
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Now, you can open the Schofield without dumping any cartridges, but that would require any fired shells to be extracted by finger, and if they are stuck that could be hard.
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On the other hand, reloading all 6 is much quicker with the Scho.
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There is also the story of ammo incompatibility, you are probably referring to that as the not-real reason.
PS Also there's another downside to my favorite revolver: when you reach for the hammer you can sometimes get the frame catch instead and open up the gun.
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The earlier versions would not have this problem, but the #3 frame-mounted latch version (like my bb gun replica) does.
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My H&R revolver has a top break like the earlier Schofields, with the catch on the barrel. It doesn't have that issue, but it does have the issue that it can open up when drawn from the holster.
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Not 1973
Collecting is "big commercialism and capitalism"?
sorry not worth 1400 bucks
I gave up after about the 100th reference to 1900s. It really compromises credibility.
I clearly meant 1800’s... When you do these videos it is very easy for your brain to get stuck on an incorrect term that you keep repeating through the course of the video. You either re-record the entire thing, or just upload with the hopes that reasonable people will understand what you meant.