One of my all time favourite songs. The groove, the drums, the three vocal parts. That chorus melody! Crisis is an album everyone into post hardcore should check out. It's a fun ride.
Never vibed with it personally. The debut s/t was much more interesting technically, and Watch Out obviously had better production and was more fun without being super serious.
@@constructionbootgazer I agree. I also think the production is way too clean on this record compared to s/t, the screams just have no impact for me on crisis.
@@shortdrink873 No Transitory and Accidents are my shit, love those tunes. Not that I think this song doesn't deserve the popularity but it was always a step behind tracks like those for me too.
Hey, nice to see some more Canadians on the channel! I've seen them so many times in small local venues here, and they always brought incredible energy. I'll admit I definitely like their more melodic ones like this one, Boiled Frogs, Accidents, Happiness By the Kilowatt, etc., I felt that was routinely their sweet spot, but their catalogue as a whole is rock solid. For post-hardcore bands, I was pretty big on Thursday, Saosin, Thrice (though I'd wager only their earlier stuff qualifies as PH, their sound has changed pretty significantly since), La Dispute, and Underoath. Glassjaw was pretty influential and well loved, all things considered (though I don't recommend their side project Head Automatica that came later on in the early-mid 00s).
You ever stumble across FOXFIGHT when you saw these guys? They were around that same circuit around the same time. Had a buddy who drummed for them out in Onrario. Some good stuff.
@@Lloocii IIRC they came around a little later on the scene, and mostly kept a bit too far south with their shows (I bounced around the Ottawa - Quinte - Kingston region during the 00s and much of the 10s). Unfortunately, I didn't get the opportunity to catch them live in my local area or otherwise, since I rarely made the trek past Toronto. I do recall their name bouncing around the scene at the time, though
"Happiness by the kilowatt" is usually the closer for every show, absolute banger. Would love to hear you compare their early stuff to their late stuff like "dogs blood" or "san soleil"
Would definitely recommend checking out some of the stuff from Alexisonfire’s self titled. tracks like .44 caliber love letter, the kennedy curse, and little girls pointing and laughing are some standouts for me on that record!
Been waiting for this one for a while. Alexisonfire is one of those bands that just hits the right balance of heaviness, melody and variety in their music. Of course, having Dallas Green as the clean vocalist gives them a point of difference - not many vocalists can match him in post hardcore. Other songs to check out in the genre👇 Thursday - Paris In Flames Hopesfall - End of an Era, Dana Walker, Tunguska, The Ones Thrice - Silhouette Misery Signals - Five Years Skycamefalling - 10.21
If you are looking for PH Journey I highly recommend you to check Saosin- Saosin this album was ahead of its time. That's a must, in my opinion that I can point out from the the top of my head
Alexisonfire's debut album for sure. Underrated album and band. Dance Gavin Dance's debut is quite similar too. Essential Post-Hardcore bands: Minutemen, Fugazi, At the Drive-in, Wipers, (before getting into the more progressive sounds like) Mars Volta, Unwound, Gospel
I was never really into this band "back in the day" even though I also was into this kind of music when it was released. With that said, their newest album "Otherness" is easily my album of the year for 2022. Highly suggest checking it out.
Been following for a few years now Brian. Regardless if these albums make the channel, these are some of my favourite post hardcore/screamo genre albums from the good ol days. Maybe a few hidden gems in here for you. Enjoy!! Refused - the shape of punk to come (1998) At the drive-in - relationship of command (2000) Thursday - full collapse (2001) Finch - what it is to burn (2002) Coheed and Cambria - the second stage turbine blade (2002) Glassjaw - worship, and tribute (2002) 30 seconds to Mars - self titled (2002) The used - self titled (2002) Saosin - Translating the name (2003) From first to last - dear diary, my teen angst has a body count (2004) Alexisonfire - watch out (2004) He is legend - I am Hollywood (2004) My Chemical Romance - three cheers for sweet revenge (2004) The Sound Of Animals Fighting - Tiger and the Duke (2005) Protest The Hero - Kezia (2005) Between Home and Serenity - power weapons in the complex (2005) The fall of Troy - doppelgänger (2005) Yesterday‘s rising - Lightworker (2005) Killswitch Engage - as daylight dies (2006) Underoath - defined the great line (2006)
Love Alexisonfire. Soo good! Crisis is definitely an album to check out. Thrice's The Artist In the Ambulence is another post-hardcore album that is a must listen.
Definitely enjoyed this. Reminds me a lot of metalcore but with a bit more emphasis on the poppy vocal hooks and a little less emphasis on the riffs, and it's different enough to catch my ear despite being burned out by more typical metalcore. Either way it's super catchy. Funny you mention growing up with riff-based music but moving more towards pop-based vocals. I feel like I grew up with both but initially gravitated towards pop-based vocals and then eventually moved towards riff-based rock/metal when I got older. Part of that was undoubtedly discovering AC/DC at the perfect age that inspired me to pick up guitar.
Now that you mention it, I think I did gravitate towards riff heavy music when I started learning electric guitar. In fact, that might explain why I got into A7X's "Waking the Fallen" as heavily as I did when I was younger as it was a distinct album in my library back then. Not what I'd usually listen to but it had a bunch of riffs that sounded cool that I ended up learning :)
Not sure where I would start for the post hardcore journey or have a list. However, I would like to add the recommendation to check out Underoath on the journey, at the very least something from the Define The Great Line album. It's more an amalgamation of heavy genres, post hardcore being one, so maybe it is fitting enough. I would love to hear your thoughts on the way they connect their song parts together to craft a cohesive unit and emotional journey.
DTGL was a huge change in sound from their previous record, and a significant album within the genre too. I agree, any track would be worthwhile listening to as the production and songs still sound fresh.
@@constructionbootgazer agreed! I personally would love to hear thoughts on anything from TOCS - Disamb era. But if I were to only pick one spot, it would be DTGL because it hits a great balance of post hardcore sounds with some really off-the-wall song structures. And if something about UO captures Brian, I would even venture to recommend Voyuerist as a followup. Somewhat polarizing album for the fanbase, but given Brian's tastes, I feel like he might find something there that's very enjoyable and more for him.
know im a little late but you gotta do glassjaw. id recommend anything from worship and tribute (Tip Your Bartender, Ape Dos Mil, Mu Empire). Our Color Green is also fantastic (Stars, John Lennon)
First band that is post hardcore is probably Mars Volta? At some early point emo and post hardcore became very entertwined and the sound has stuck. But i guess modern post hardcore the first and most important bands would be (with my personal song pick) 1. The Fall of Troy (Mouths like sidewinder missiles), 2. Saosin(Seven years) and later wave of post hardcore (Which has a lot of crazy talented bands) i'd say my favorites are 1. Hail the sun (Will they blame me if you go dissapearing) 2. Dance Gavin Dance (It's safe to say you dig the backseat) 3. A lot like birds (Kuroi Ledge) 4. Dwellings (Lemonade) 5. In Angles (Wanderer) 6. Sianvar (Omniphobia)
Mars Volta isn't even the first Post Hardcore band Omar and Cedric were in lol, the genre is much older with two of the other picks from this week (Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu) being among the early wave of Post Hardcore and I'm glad they made it through the poll to show off the multiple eras the genre is comprised of. Can't argue with your list of more modern Post Hardcore, there's even a Mouths Like Sidewinder Missiles reaction on the channel, livestream #51 if you want to check it out.
@@johnnytruant_ Thanks for the Drive Like Jehu tip, missed that one. I intentionally omitted ATDI though. I just don't think it should be categorized as the same genre. That's my hot take though.
As a vocalist those screams are probably my least favorite thing I hear in metal. It's the 'Shadows Fall' scream. Aggressively North American and tends to be attached to bands I find little to no innovation in. Clean vocals are great. Instruments and arrangements are fine. But that vocal style bothers me because it's a very physically 'safe' way to convey anguish so it comes off as very inauthentic. But if I want pained vocals that actually feel emotional to me I'll listen to something like Anaal Nathrakh over this 100 times out of 100. Also I would hope the band would understand and also not be bothered by me saying that because I'm sure they'd put more heads in the crowd with this sound over AN's lol. The 'things I like' and the 'things that sell records' are very often different things entirely.
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One of my all time favourite songs. The groove, the drums, the three vocal parts. That chorus melody! Crisis is an album everyone into post hardcore should check out. It's a fun ride.
Never vibed with it personally. The debut s/t was much more interesting technically, and Watch Out obviously had better production and was more fun without being super serious.
@@constructionbootgazeragreed
@@constructionbootgazerplus, when Watch Out does get serious it still does it better (Happiness, No Transitory)
@@constructionbootgazer I agree. I also think the production is way too clean on this record compared to s/t, the screams just have no impact for me on crisis.
@@shortdrink873 No Transitory and Accidents are my shit, love those tunes. Not that I think this song doesn't deserve the popularity but it was always a step behind tracks like those for me too.
Hey, nice to see some more Canadians on the channel! I've seen them so many times in small local venues here, and they always brought incredible energy. I'll admit I definitely like their more melodic ones like this one, Boiled Frogs, Accidents, Happiness By the Kilowatt, etc., I felt that was routinely their sweet spot, but their catalogue as a whole is rock solid.
For post-hardcore bands, I was pretty big on Thursday, Saosin, Thrice (though I'd wager only their earlier stuff qualifies as PH, their sound has changed pretty significantly since), La Dispute, and Underoath. Glassjaw was pretty influential and well loved, all things considered (though I don't recommend their side project Head Automatica that came later on in the early-mid 00s).
You ever stumble across FOXFIGHT when you saw these guys? They were around that same circuit around the same time.
Had a buddy who drummed for them out in Onrario. Some good stuff.
@@Lloocii IIRC they came around a little later on the scene, and mostly kept a bit too far south with their shows (I bounced around the Ottawa - Quinte - Kingston region during the 00s and much of the 10s). Unfortunately, I didn't get the opportunity to catch them live in my local area or otherwise, since I rarely made the trek past Toronto. I do recall their name bouncing around the scene at the time, though
"Happiness by the kilowatt" is usually the closer for every show, absolute banger.
Would love to hear you compare their early stuff to their late stuff like "dogs blood" or "san soleil"
The clean singer (Dallas Green) may be better known by his folk/alternative act City and Colour.
Would definitely recommend checking out some of the stuff from Alexisonfire’s self titled. tracks like .44 caliber love letter, the kennedy curse, and little girls pointing and laughing are some standouts for me on that record!
This was the first song I ever heard of them and till this day......still my favourite song of theirs!
Been waiting for this one for a while. Alexisonfire is one of those bands that just hits the right balance of heaviness, melody and variety in their music. Of course, having Dallas Green as the clean vocalist gives them a point of difference - not many vocalists can match him in post hardcore.
Other songs to check out in the genre👇
Thursday - Paris In Flames
Hopesfall - End of an Era, Dana Walker, Tunguska, The Ones
Thrice - Silhouette
Misery Signals - Five Years
Skycamefalling - 10.21
There are 2 types of people;
Those who sing along;
AND THOSE WHO SCREAM ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!
If you are looking for PH Journey I highly recommend you to check Saosin- Saosin this album was ahead of its time. That's a must, in my opinion that I can point out from the the top of my head
Alexisonfire's debut album for sure. Underrated album and band. Dance Gavin Dance's debut is quite similar too. Essential Post-Hardcore bands: Minutemen, Fugazi, At the Drive-in, Wipers, (before getting into the more progressive sounds like) Mars Volta, Unwound, Gospel
Fucked Up's debut is a another worth checking
I was never really into this band "back in the day" even though I also was into this kind of music when it was released.
With that said, their newest album "Otherness" is easily my album of the year for 2022. Highly suggest checking it out.
Their self titled debut is really worth listening if you like the Emo/Post-Hardcore mix. Album is raw, melancholic, atmospheric, punchy.
IMO Crisis is their best album, followed by Watch Out! Definitely check out those two albums.
Been following for a few years now Brian. Regardless if these albums make the channel, these are some of my favourite post hardcore/screamo genre albums from the good ol days. Maybe a few hidden gems in here for you. Enjoy!!
Refused - the shape of punk to come (1998)
At the drive-in - relationship of command (2000)
Thursday - full collapse (2001)
Finch - what it is to burn (2002)
Coheed and Cambria - the second stage turbine blade (2002)
Glassjaw - worship, and tribute (2002)
30 seconds to Mars - self titled (2002)
The used - self titled (2002)
Saosin - Translating the name (2003)
From first to last - dear diary, my teen angst has a body count (2004)
Alexisonfire - watch out (2004)
He is legend - I am Hollywood (2004)
My Chemical Romance - three cheers for sweet revenge (2004)
The Sound Of Animals Fighting - Tiger and the Duke (2005)
Protest The Hero - Kezia (2005)
Between Home and Serenity - power weapons in the complex (2005)
The fall of Troy - doppelgänger (2005)
Yesterday‘s rising - Lightworker (2005)
Killswitch Engage - as daylight dies (2006)
Underoath - defined the great line (2006)
Awesome list, just missing Hopesfall
@@ryukan250 I’ve never heard Hopesfall but will check them out now! Thanks 🙏🏻
@@man-o-steel-1977 try "The Ones", "End of an Era", "Dana Walker"
Also Misery Signals - Of Malice and Magnum Heart
Would love to see your reaction to Rough Hands, and Sans Soleil
God, I'd love to see you react to early Jonny era Dance Gavin Dance. Or the album Relativity by Emarosa.
Dallas Green has an amazing voice
Love Alexisonfire. Soo good!
Crisis is definitely an album to check out. Thrice's The Artist In the Ambulence is another post-hardcore album that is a must listen.
Don't sleep on Hopesfall. Try "The Ones", "Tunguska", "Dana Walker", "The End of an Era"
Banger
Love this song, saw them perform it live and it was amazing.
Love this band. So underrated
Definitely enjoyed this. Reminds me a lot of metalcore but with a bit more emphasis on the poppy vocal hooks and a little less emphasis on the riffs, and it's different enough to catch my ear despite being burned out by more typical metalcore. Either way it's super catchy.
Funny you mention growing up with riff-based music but moving more towards pop-based vocals. I feel like I grew up with both but initially gravitated towards pop-based vocals and then eventually moved towards riff-based rock/metal when I got older. Part of that was undoubtedly discovering AC/DC at the perfect age that inspired me to pick up guitar.
Now that you mention it, I think I did gravitate towards riff heavy music when I started learning electric guitar. In fact, that might explain why I got into A7X's "Waking the Fallen" as heavily as I did when I was younger as it was a distinct album in my library back then. Not what I'd usually listen to but it had a bunch of riffs that sounded cool that I ended up learning :)
Yeah! Saliva... I dug their song 'Your Disease', which came on a KERRANG magazine mix CD.
That and Click Click Boom were their two big singles. Both are great songs
Not sure where I would start for the post hardcore journey or have a list. However, I would like to add the recommendation to check out Underoath on the journey, at the very least something from the Define The Great Line album. It's more an amalgamation of heavy genres, post hardcore being one, so maybe it is fitting enough. I would love to hear your thoughts on the way they connect their song parts together to craft a cohesive unit and emotional journey.
DTGL was a huge change in sound from their previous record, and a significant album within the genre too. I agree, any track would be worthwhile listening to as the production and songs still sound fresh.
@@constructionbootgazer agreed! I personally would love to hear thoughts on anything from TOCS - Disamb era. But if I were to only pick one spot, it would be DTGL because it hits a great balance of post hardcore sounds with some really off-the-wall song structures.
And if something about UO captures Brian, I would even venture to recommend Voyuerist as a followup. Somewhat polarizing album for the fanbase, but given Brian's tastes, I feel like he might find something there that's very enjoyable and more for him.
What a classic.
know im a little late but you gotta do glassjaw. id recommend anything from worship and tribute (Tip Your Bartender, Ape Dos Mil, Mu Empire). Our Color Green is also fantastic (Stars, John Lennon)
Thrice, "Stare at the Sun" is an obvious one for post hardcore
More AOF reactions!
man my childhood right here
Do fear before the March of flames - the always open mouth
Brian, I wanna see your engagement with Thursday - Jet Black New Year
Rough hands and Pulmonary Archery are other great songs by them.
Crisis is by far their best album.
Gotta check some Quicksand on your post hardcore journey
I really liked the song. The vocals are quite good and the music is quite well done.
First band that is post hardcore is probably Mars Volta? At some early point emo and post hardcore became very entertwined and the sound has stuck. But i guess modern post hardcore the first and most important bands would be (with my personal song pick) 1. The Fall of Troy (Mouths like sidewinder missiles), 2. Saosin(Seven years) and later wave of post hardcore (Which has a lot of crazy talented bands) i'd say my favorites are 1. Hail the sun (Will they blame me if you go dissapearing) 2. Dance Gavin Dance (It's safe to say you dig the backseat) 3. A lot like birds (Kuroi Ledge) 4. Dwellings (Lemonade) 5. In Angles (Wanderer) 6. Sianvar (Omniphobia)
Mars Volta isn't even the first Post Hardcore band Omar and Cedric were in lol, the genre is much older with two of the other picks from this week (Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu) being among the early wave of Post Hardcore and I'm glad they made it through the poll to show off the multiple eras the genre is comprised of.
Can't argue with your list of more modern Post Hardcore, there's even a Mouths Like Sidewinder Missiles reaction on the channel, livestream #51 if you want to check it out.
@@johnnytruant_ Thanks for the Drive Like Jehu tip, missed that one. I intentionally omitted ATDI though. I just don't think it should be categorized as the same genre. That's my hot take though.
As a vocalist those screams are probably my least favorite thing I hear in metal. It's the 'Shadows Fall' scream. Aggressively North American and tends to be attached to bands I find little to no innovation in. Clean vocals are great. Instruments and arrangements are fine.
But that vocal style bothers me because it's a very physically 'safe' way to convey anguish so it comes off as very inauthentic. But if I want pained vocals that actually feel emotional to me I'll listen to something like Anaal Nathrakh over this 100 times out of 100.
Also I would hope the band would understand and also not be bothered by me saying that because I'm sure they'd put more heads in the crowd with this sound over AN's lol. The 'things I like' and the 'things that sell records' are very often different things entirely.