@@n7ght214 DT and NC are the same pp wise. NC raises the pitch of the song and adds a drum beat in the background while speeding the song up x1.5. DT only speeds the song up x1.5. (it should be noted that NC was intended as an april fools joke)
4.8k pp and i have no clue how to play dt or hd. i can play hr, ez, and fl though edit: 5.2kpp and nomod farm got me here. i haven't even improved in skill for over a year and a half but the maps got farmier
5.3k pp here. Can only play nomod, cant read ar10 and above, accelerating a song mess up my rhythm and i can't aim farm maps with hidden. I'm a lost cause.
As long as you play no mod and learning the game and from time to time uses mods, I don't see a problem with learning it early or to late. Also don't use mods fully when your just starting out
@@stimexcho try to learn playing without hr, I did that to for a while but recently played more no mod maps etc and seen more improvements on low ar + high ar
@@VLU71 idk about that tbh. I've started playing hr since I've played 5 star maps. It's been a while. Currently I play HD hr but every time I switch to nomod it feels like I'm getting an epileptic seizure.
Here I am becoming a hr main at around 1kpp, and FrenZ suggests to start at over 3kpp. I started maining hr 4 months ago and I've only just gotten to 3k pp.
It's good if you can maintain good accuracy. If you can do that you're above average for a 6 digit. No one can sightread hard rock comfortably it seems, I even asked some pro players on stream and their answers are roughly the same.
When i started, i played with friends that always used hardrock, i find myself playing better with hr and hd as it makes it easier for me to read the map
It's fun to consume this type of content, no matter how long you've been in the game or how good you are at it ps: 6 years and counting...peppy was right...
if youre trying to fc a map, probably just use sudden death. you dont have to click retry and its just a score boost. but sudden death doesn't prevent combo breaks from slider breaks
I don't understand why you placed HT in the "useless" category. I find it fun to play and it helps me enjoy maps that otherwise are way too hard for me. I've also gotten PP with it once.
I think new players should focus on playing 50/50 or like 30/70 HD to NOMOD so they can equal out the reading on both sides, that's how I can just play both normally.
While he was saying that it takes time to learn hardrock, I was picking up hdhr for fun one day and setting 4 new top plays the next. We are not the same.
tbh on maps in 1-2 star range HR makes the game easier most of the time. Atleast thats what 2 of my friends that have started to play not too long ago said. Its easier for them to read higher AR in the 7-8.4 range than AR 5 for example
Well, there is no such a thing like too late to learn. I started playing dt after i was 7k. This boosted me to 8k in like a week or two. Before this, i couldnt read anything above ar10 and my aim wasnt fast. I think, every player can easily start learning mod whenever they think they are ready. Good video btw, I enjoyed the pun about od xdd
I've been playing since 2013 and I really stunted my growth as a player by playing with solely HD from 2017 to 2020... I put myself in a HUGE mindblock for three years and saw no drastic improvements to my game. The only thing I regret myself doing in this game. To top it off, I have no consistent HR or DT skills either, which I could've developed if I didn't main solely HD.
just cause you mained one mod for a long period of time doesn't mean you still can't learn other mods. I have a similar situation like yours but I decided to change my playstyle. obviously it wasn't an overnight thing but you're still capable of learning new skills.
Just use mods when you feel like it. They screwed me over once in a while because i underestimated the diff spike on hardrock but i'd recommend them for maps around 1 - 1.5 stars under your current level since you should be able to beat most of those effortlessly. No Fail on the other hand is really good to practice maps that are over your skill level since it can be pretty frustrating to keep dying within the first 30 seconds of a 5 minute map
I've started only one month ago, I have 1.7k pp and recently have been trying to master HDHR and DT. Yes , I did think of the risk even before watching this video. It took me just less than a week to master and play with HDHR and DT. Day by day improvement at least. I got my first 100pp play with DT and my second 100pp was with HDHR andim really happy abt it
I remember avoiding DT as a 7 digit because I cannot keep up with the speed, rather liking HR because it doesn't really affect 1 - 2 stars maps very much. HD is kinda in the middle ground as I need the approaching circle to get in the rhythm. I am now a mid 6 digit... I still hate DT. I hated HR now and HD is my favorite mod.
I started using DT pretty much since the beginning of my osu journey, as soon as I learned about pp I started using tillerino and got pps from Normal diff maps HDDTHR. After that I stopped using Hidden and now I'm at the point where learning it is just too frustrating. Knowing that I would be able to get a lot more pp on my level just by using hidden is killing me but I simply cannot force myself to play it. Funny thing is, since I mained DT for such a long period of time I struggle to FC 5* nomod map, and have literally no problems with fcing 6.5~ nomod, while my top DT play is almost 8*.
OSU! Was and has been my first PC game, after a slew of console racing and shooters. I used HR early , around low 7 digit, to see if I can put myself on pace since at the time I was only strictly using mouse 1 & 2. Around 800k started using HRDT exclusively on lower star maps to get myself used to the speed and precision aspects (moved to z & x keybinds) Now at 600k, I find myself using HD on anything I have FC’d at 95%-100% to push that barrier further and see how a top play at a lower rank is less than a warm up now. I usually do HDHRDT around 1.9-2.3* or HDHR anything between 2.7*- 3.2*. Want to try to pass low 4* soon and work on jumps and burst so that I can eventually start stream practice
I've started using DT a lot ever since I suddenly jumped from streaming 220 to 250 bpm. Before then I was using HR a lot since I wasn't really good at streaming high bpm. Though I mainly use HD since that's how I do better with before and after. I don't use DT to farm since my aim isn't really good with jumps. I mainly use it to train speed so I can prepare for maps with high bpm streams (such as rivers of nihil - hollow) in the future.
300k and I use DTHD/NCHD for farming 3 star maps tbh, and given enough tries (7-10 tries) for a map I'll perform better with hd than nomod (except if it has even a slighly spaced stream or burst)
hi osu! chicken. key words from FrenZ 10:49 as one who got used to HD and seeing improvement with DT/NC to HR a bit breaking out of your safety net is key even outside of osu! too to of course in life too!
I started using hr around 5.5k pp. I guess I started a bit late since my ar10 is already really good and all I have to worry about is aim and fingercontrol.
the problem i have with hidden is that i literally have no clue when to click. since the approach circle is gone, i just have to guess when to click and im horrible at guessing. so all my hd plays have like almost only 100 and 50 and a lot of misses
NC is indeed for cultured people, thank you for making that statement. Now i only disagree with you on 2 of the mods: EZ and most notably HT. While being able to read EZ helps you understand more dense patterns and focus more on the beat, which are both things that can happen at high difficulty plays, HT will help you understand a pattern better, making it easier to program your brain to run your fingers as they were supposed to. You practice it slow, or with more dense notes, and then remove that cap to get your pattern learned. WhiteCat uses it for a reason. BTMC also recommends the use of HT to learn a complicated pattern. But mostly i trust on those statements because i tried the HT trick myself to learn the storytellers diff spike, which i had trouble putting my fingers to work on that, i practiced a few times and then went back to the original map and since then i havent got a single finger control issue on that. Occasional aim slips because well thats one problem i have in general to fix. But all in all HT helps to learn patterns as much as EZ helps you to not get lost during a harder/faster map, that is if you can read EZ with proficiency...
HT is for learning maps. It doesn't make you better at the game. Prepping for scores is not the same as improvement. That's why it's a useless mod for beginners
@@chadolosu it still doesnt make it a useless mod. Also, learning a map that needs you to put HT to understand, will make u understand that pattern, and once u go back to normal and do it at the normal speed, you learned a new pattern. That new pattern is gonna help you on new maps, aka improvement.
Fun fact: When I first started playing, I was so bad I couldn't click anything to the beat. I couldn't even pass 1 star maps. I had to use autopilot to be able to learn when to click. I still use it very occasionally when there is a rhythm I have a hard time hitting. I do see some kind of improvement using it, generally.
If we are taking profile pp as a measurement, you can really improve it insanely quickly by playing hd on nomod farm maps. I started playing hd, jumped from 5.5k to 6.5kpp in 2 months, then played tech only for a while and then my first 400 was also with hd.
Agreed about the early high AR reading. Don't start using HR as your main if still low rank, don't be like me who can't read No Mod. But for some reason, I can read HR and EZ but not No Mod.
4 months after starting I started playing hidden and then used only hidden for 9 months and screwed my reading, but I fixed it. Now I can read HD, HR, DT, and EZ pretty comfortably, with different combinations of those 4 mods also not outside my skill range. I'm still working on hddthr though. 38k rank btw.
I main nomod. HD - it messes with my reading | HR - I know people say use it to improve your accuracy but i say use it to get better at OD10+AR10 because it did not help me in any way that wasnt AR10 | DT - I like it but my fingers arent that fast so i cant fc anything | any other mods - no. Shortly: use the mods you like and do NOT think that playing with a certain mod will make you BETTER at the game FASTER. You only going to be better at those type of plays and NOT nomod.
funny thing is, right after playing the osu tutorial, I immediately went for dthdhr since while configuring my options, I noticed mods and clicked on it and saw a bunch of mods, I was like "Whatever, I play rhythm games and the tutorial was easy, How hard can it be?" You could guess how it went, I kept on failing and failing because I didn't know how hidden worked I couldnt hit any notes, Until I realized that you had to tap when the note fades away and once I found out about that,Although My acc was trash,the ar was a bit too fast for me and I kept missing, I was able to pass maps and this is how I found my main mod, Hidden, I find hidden so much fun to play and so I practiced it and immediately knew that this was going to be my main mod with dt and hr for an extra challenge. Honestly, If it werent for hidden, I probably would've stopped playing osu when I first started it for a few months, But hidden kept me captivated.
ive been playing since may 2018 and i only just completed an easy map with NCHR for the first time a couple weeks back.... i havent even touched hidden, not to mention im a 7 digit with 180 pp
"you should use start using hr around 3500 pp and dt around 2000pp" me: *checks my pp count (255pp) also me: looks like i'm not messing with these 2 for a LONG time
me who only plays hd (no nm really anymore) and is just now picking up dt as a person who has only played hidden for almost half a year i cant play nm anymore....
I like how this is a direct contradiction to one advice I heard a lot last time : 'play hr to improve reading and reaction'. Yeah it basically doesn't change anything at 2 stars but at 3 stars it becomes unplayable for a person with 5 hours of playtime. Who ever made that advice caused so many people to quit/develop bad habit by playing wrongly istg
I got the advice to stop playing with mods when I was trying to pass a 3 star map, but I ended up ignoring it after getting stuck for 2 months and started playing hdhr every single time. Now I'm still a 6 digit and I always had an easier time reading when the ar is 10 and with hidden (thus, hdhr because it made all the 3 and 4 star maps ar 10). The problem now is that I have a lot of difficulty reading ar below 10, and one other consequence is that I can't read most hddt maps that is supposed to be easy for me because they are ar 8 + dt which is around less that ar 10. I can only read ones that are 8.4 and above with DT, and most of those are all out of my skill level.
@@awpa8976 As somebody who made a similar mistake, I can tell you that the only thing you can do is to take a step back, start playing "easy" maps with nomod starting from below your "skill level", you haven't learnt a fundamental part of the game by using hr so early, and maybe HD as well, try get consistency on
@@awpa8976 I don't think you 'cant read below ar10', you're just uncomfortable with it. what is the average acc you get when you play hdhr? 90? 95? 99? No one "can't read" a low ar, its nonsense.
@@choojunwyng8028 of course I was overexaggerating that I "can't read below ar 10" , but I have a really hard time trying to *even pass* using nomod on maps that I have 95% acc FC with HDHR on them. So it feels way harder than it should be because I will keep on tapping too early on jumps. (In comparison, it basically feels like I'm playing with the EZ mod but its more readable than that). If I practice hard enough, I definitely would get better at it and I won't have this problem I'm having, but its not really fun for me to play nomod, so I end up just playing HDHR all the time.
Talking from personal experience, I had a trash monitor so I always use hidden since high AR was impossible on it with approaching circles, now I usually play 5-6* but I've became ultra reliant on HD and cannot play without it. My circle reading skill is non existent. so yeah, don't start using hidden to early or you'll have to relearn approach circles.
As a non osu!-player...am I to understand that you can use the Hidden mod, which doesnt really seem to make the game much harder (or at all?), but gives you more points than playing the song unmodded? Do mods have a separate leaderboard?
i’m a recent player ish w 3 days in playtime, i’m playing everything on hidden because my accuracy is ass and i press the side of the circles so i can see the number in the middle. but with hidden i can press the center of a circle more. even if it’s harder
I started playing hr pretty early my low ar reading skill is pretty bad but that's mainly because I don't find it fun if I wanted to learn it I would. high ar dt is easy to learn playing ar11 helps improving high ar reading speed
HR can be really helpful for those who struggle to get good accuracy. That skill will then transition to when you play other mods and it'll make it easier to get really good accuracy when you play with mods besides HR. Also, why would you need to read ar7-9? You don't really get that much pp from it xd
Bryce Games i’m sure these some term for it, but i’ll go with “ar-locking yourself”. for me, after using only hr for about a year it became extremely difficult to read anything below at 10 and low cs is also kinda hard. this is why higher players recommended not stepping too far out of your comfort zone, which results in ar-locking
If i feel like i cant aim a map i play relax before i try it again and aftet that i have the confidence to aim it correctly relax is for me pretty important and helps me get normal scores (no im not a 6dig)
This might just be me, but I started playing HR around 2k pp and immediately got my top play with it 2 times in 1 day. It might just be because I was already an acc focused player but I’m pretty sure you don’t need to wait until 3.5k pp to learn it.
i thought that no fail was unranked so i used it on a hard map not really trying and i realized that it was ranked so i had to do the whole map again but i got a better score so i don't have to see a crap NF play
eh while i do agree with most of the points you make for when to use mods, it doesnt exactly apply to someone who doesnt farm for pp anymore. ive been at the same rank for a good 3 months now and honestly i think you should try using nomod as much as possible and occasionally use other mods so you could still get experience with other mods while prioritizing nomod which is crucial to improvement.
I would actually recommend using hd when you first start the game. First by reading maps nm or hr only, and then with hd. This really helped my hd reading as I progressed through the game. The same for ez, as a lot of people lose their ability to read low ar as they become better.
bananya personally I've never seen it, and I've joined those lobbies with high rankers because they've either just gotten on or are about to get off, and they know they won't struggle so they don't need to sweat
i wish fl was an easier mod to sightread, because it really stands out right now. because every mod, even ez, even dt, even hddthr is sightreadable but in many cases fl simply is impossible to sightread. like if you end a combo at the bottom right and start a new on at the top left there is no followpoint to tell you it would be there. however, if the game were to use only the 0 combo fl cursor (for maybe a 1.08x score buff then rather than 1.12) all the time we would have plenty of fl mains and sightreaders. fl just stands out too much and it's not really like any other mods. also, if the ez and hr mods weren't so ingrained in osu playerbase, i would make ez decrease all diffsettings by 1, not halve them, and also hr increase them by 1. this provides still a relatively linear scale and allows both mods to actually be playable and usable. ar8-9 6* is still fairly easily readable while ar5 is starting to push it.
Ok the way you have explained each mod is fantastic but where to start is unclear. I'm a guy that dosent really play for pp and just wants to play well and with a decent score. I've wanted to start playing hidden at around the 5 star Mark but with you explaining it in terms of pp I'm completely lost. At what star would you say to start each mod
i used to 3 mod 3 star maps for the first few weeks of playing, yeah it get me 600k with under 600 play count, but i feel like i have a huge skill block because of it
personally I learned hard rock and ar9+dt and I've majorly payed for it in constantancy I can keep up with harder maps but often make simple mistakes in lower difficulty maps I have over 400 hours in the game and due to this mistake I am stuck at 6 digits even though I play 200+ times everyday. Don't end up like me wait before you try mods. I'd rather be slower and have weaker aim then no be able to play any map consistently. :)
So you tell me i should stop using HR on everything? But i get up to 40pp this way! ... well ok guess then i start to learn how to do a simple burst first.
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"NC, for cultured people"
My favorite line from this video
FrenZ's a man of *C U L T U R E* indeed
NC is love
yes
So i'm man of the culture, huh?
waht´s the difference between DT and NC? Does NC give you more pp?
@@n7ght214 DT and NC are the same pp wise. NC raises the pitch of the song and adds a drum beat in the background while speeding the song up x1.5. DT only speeds the song up x1.5. (it should be noted that NC was intended as an april fools joke)
those stares from non-osu players when you explain that EASY is the hardest mod
only on dense maps though
Good for maps with alot of jumps and bad for tigtly packed maps
@@Orekiri not bad, just much harder to read
easy+jumps=impossible to read
Me: *Instantly use HDDTHR on first week playing*
I did it on my 2nd month playing
merc god
Same, on the low star rating
on a 0* lmao
Nah, on 1.2* maps lol
Frenz: “You should start learning DT at around 1.5kpp”
me at 2.5kpp still havent learn how to use DT: *but-*
Triggs it’s okay, same here but at 2.1k pp 😭
4.8k pp and i have no clue how to play dt or hd. i can play hr, ez, and fl though
edit: 5.2kpp and nomod farm got me here. i haven't even improved in skill for over a year and a half but the maps got farmier
5.3k pp here. Can only play nomod, cant read ar10 and above, accelerating a song mess up my rhythm and i can't aim farm maps with hidden.
I'm a lost cause.
7.4k pp, still can't play dt
Hey can you tell me whats pp because I'm still new its my first day playing :3
i have 600h in osu and i didn't know that EZ gives you 3 lives..
what's your account?
EZ mode is ussles
@@armiea6063
osu.ppy.sh/users/10333363
here it is
You probably have way more than 600
@@mol_old he has 622 hours
That's all cool and all but how do you feel about KFC tho?
KFC??
Never tried that mod
Their chicken is pretty good
I think it's pretty good
@@FrenZ396 *has chicken pfp*
Didn’t even mention how spun out can literally mess up spinners because of how slow it is.
As long as you play no mod and learning the game and from time to time uses mods, I don't see a problem with learning it early or to late.
Also don't use mods fully when your just starting out
ever since I started playing I've only played HR so lower AR maps are harder
@@stimexcho try to learn playing without hr, I did that to for a while but recently played more no mod maps etc and seen more improvements on low ar + high ar
@@VLU71 idk about that tbh. I've started playing hr since I've played 5 star maps. It's been a while. Currently I play HD hr but every time I switch to nomod it feels like I'm getting an epileptic seizure.
@@vys8952 that's because your not so used to no mod, I felt that to when I played hdhr back in early 6 digit zone
when i've only played for like 3 months or so, i started using HD and now it's like no mod to me
Here I am becoming a hr main at around 1kpp, and FrenZ suggests to start at over 3kpp. I started maining hr 4 months ago and I've only just gotten to 3k pp.
nobody cares
Hixor had a bad day?
I care alot , good job mate
@@lucasgc3585 no but litterally no one cares. swear the osu fanbase is just omg look at me
It's good if you can maintain good accuracy. If you can do that you're above average for a 6 digit. No one can sightread hard rock comfortably it seems, I even asked some pro players on stream and their answers are roughly the same.
im stuck on hidden forever now
When i started, i played with friends that always used hardrock, i find myself playing better with hr and hd as it makes it easier for me to read the map
The reason why hd makes it easier for me is as it removes the need for me to read the stacks as i can easily see the circles
All I see is 6 and 7 digits saying "bUt I uSe hDdThR"
Well I use it, but it doesnt mean I use it correctly, however my top pp plays are a 2* dthd plays 🙂
Me when it took me 3 months to find the mods option
Same
Bruh
@@tanktahu I was always slow
@@ekmb2056 tbh i didnt notice it until i changed the skin so i found mods in week 2 of playing osu!
@@tanktahu didn't change my skin till 6-7 months
Why am i watching this ive been on this game for about 3 years now lmao
It's fun to consume this type of content, no matter how long you've been in the game
or how good you are at it
ps: 6 years and counting...peppy was right...
if youre trying to fc a map, probably just use sudden death. you dont have to click retry and its just a score boost. but sudden death doesn't prevent combo breaks from slider breaks
Sudden death does not boost your score or pp gains
I don't understand why you placed HT in the "useless" category. I find it fun to play and it helps me enjoy maps that otherwise are way too hard for me. I've also gotten PP with it once.
Yeah never a good idea to learn hd like as soon ss u start playing😅😅 imo tho fl should be in the special category. Great video ^^
@envision yup, relatable😅
haha u guys suck I’m good with hd and nomod (I don’t mean to be mean ) ;(
I think new players should focus on playing 50/50 or like 30/70 HD to NOMOD so they can equal out the reading on both sides, that's how I can just play both normally.
i started with HD but switched to no mod and started improving faster, just learn HD later on
I'm almost never playing without HD but all my good scored are with nomod
While he was saying that it takes time to learn hardrock, I was picking up hdhr for fun one day and setting 4 new top plays the next.
We are not the same.
tbh on maps in 1-2 star range HR makes the game easier most of the time. Atleast thats what 2 of my friends that have started to play not too long ago said. Its easier for them to read higher AR in the 7-8.4 range than AR 5 for example
Well, there is no such a thing like too late to learn. I started playing dt after i was 7k. This boosted me to 8k in like a week or two. Before this, i couldnt read anything above ar10 and my aim wasnt fast. I think, every player can easily start learning mod whenever they think they are ready. Good video btw, I enjoyed the pun about od xdd
i really needed this. thank you so much!
I've been playing since 2013 and I really stunted my growth as a player by playing with solely HD from 2017 to 2020... I put myself in a HUGE mindblock for three years and saw no drastic improvements to my game. The only thing I regret myself doing in this game. To top it off, I have no consistent HR or DT skills either, which I could've developed if I didn't main solely HD.
just cause you mained one mod for a long period of time doesn't mean you still can't learn other mods. I have a similar situation like yours but I decided to change my playstyle. obviously it wasn't an overnight thing but you're still capable of learning new skills.
Just use mods when you feel like it. They screwed me over once in a while because i underestimated the diff spike on hardrock but i'd recommend them for maps around 1 - 1.5 stars under your current level since you should be able to beat most of those effortlessly.
No Fail on the other hand is really good to practice maps that are over your skill level since it can be pretty frustrating to keep dying within the first 30 seconds of a 5 minute map
I've started only one month ago, I have 1.7k pp and recently have been trying to master HDHR and DT. Yes , I did think of the risk even before watching this video. It took me just less than a week to master and play with HDHR and DT. Day by day improvement at least. I got my first 100pp play with DT and my second 100pp was with HDHR andim really happy abt it
I doubt you've mastered HDHR and DT.
@@ユイェン depends on how many playtime he has, if the guy has like 20k plays in the month that he's played then it's almost believable
I remember avoiding DT as a 7 digit because I cannot keep up with the speed, rather liking HR because it doesn't really affect 1 - 2 stars maps very much. HD is kinda in the middle ground as I need the approaching circle to get in the rhythm.
I am now a mid 6 digit... I still hate DT. I hated HR now and HD is my favorite mod.
in my opinion, I could never go HR without including HD because the disappearing circle feels slower without the approach circle closing on it
I started using DT pretty much since the beginning of my osu journey, as soon as I learned about pp I started using tillerino and got pps from Normal diff maps HDDTHR. After that I stopped using Hidden and now I'm at the point where learning it is just too frustrating. Knowing that I would be able to get a lot more pp on my level just by using hidden is killing me but I simply cannot force myself to play it. Funny thing is, since I mained DT for such a long period of time I struggle to FC 5* nomod map, and have literally no problems with fcing 6.5~ nomod, while my top DT play is almost 8*.
your top play being 8* is only impressive if it's a hard map. If it's hidamari or a jumpspam with low acc then it doesn't mean shit (source:me)
Chadol 8* is 8* shit is hard whether it’s jump spam or 300 bpm streams lol
Foonds doubletapping hidamari is about as hard as fcing a long 6*
OSU! Was and has been my first PC game, after a slew of console racing and shooters. I used HR early , around low 7 digit, to see if I can put myself on pace since at the time I was only strictly using mouse 1 & 2.
Around 800k started using HRDT exclusively on lower star maps to get myself used to the speed and precision aspects (moved to z & x keybinds)
Now at 600k, I find myself using HD on anything I have FC’d at 95%-100% to push that barrier further and see how a top play at a lower rank is less than a warm up now. I usually do HDHRDT around 1.9-2.3* or HDHR anything between 2.7*- 3.2*.
Want to try to pass low 4* soon and work on jumps and burst so that I can eventually start stream practice
I've started using DT a lot ever since I suddenly jumped from streaming 220 to 250 bpm. Before then I was using HR a lot since I wasn't really good at streaming high bpm. Though I mainly use HD since that's how I do better with before and after. I don't use DT to farm since my aim isn't really good with jumps. I mainly use it to train speed so I can prepare for maps with high bpm streams (such as rivers of nihil - hollow) in the future.
Ok xeltol
Who?
Frenz: "You should play with DT at around 1.5k pp"
Me, a hdnchr main with only 590,000 rank: "ah shit here we go again"
playing that mod combo on 1* doesn't mean anything because it barely changes the difficulty
If u cant even read anything over 4* it really doesnt matter if its under 2* in diff originally
Below 2 stars doesnt change that much difficulty lol. Play on 4 stars with those mods
300k and I use DTHD/NCHD for farming 3 star maps tbh, and given enough tries (7-10 tries) for a map I'll perform better with hd than nomod (except if it has even a slighly spaced stream or burst)
hi osu! chicken.
key words from FrenZ 10:49
as one who got used to HD and seeing improvement with DT/NC to HR a bit breaking out of your safety net is key even outside of osu! too to of course in life too!
I started using hr around 5.5k pp. I guess I started a bit late since my ar10 is already really good and all I have to worry about is aim and fingercontrol.
the problem i have with hidden is that i literally have no clue when to click. since the approach circle is gone, i just have to guess when to click and im horrible at guessing. so all my hd plays have like almost only 100 and 50 and a lot of misses
Another banger vid by FrenZ!
NC is indeed for cultured people, thank you for making that statement.
Now i only disagree with you on 2 of the mods: EZ and most notably HT. While being able to read EZ helps you understand more dense patterns and focus more on the beat, which are both things that can happen at high difficulty plays, HT will help you understand a pattern better, making it easier to program your brain to run your fingers as they were supposed to. You practice it slow, or with more dense notes, and then remove that cap to get your pattern learned.
WhiteCat uses it for a reason. BTMC also recommends the use of HT to learn a complicated pattern. But mostly i trust on those statements because i tried the HT trick myself to learn the storytellers diff spike, which i had trouble putting my fingers to work on that, i practiced a few times and then went back to the original map and since then i havent got a single finger control issue on that. Occasional aim slips because well thats one problem i have in general to fix. But all in all HT helps to learn patterns as much as EZ helps you to not get lost during a harder/faster map, that is if you can read EZ with proficiency...
HT is for learning maps. It doesn't make you better at the game. Prepping for scores is not the same as improvement. That's why it's a useless mod for beginners
@@chadolosu it still doesnt make it a useless mod. Also, learning a map that needs you to put HT to understand, will make u understand that pattern, and once u go back to normal and do it at the normal speed, you learned a new pattern. That new pattern is gonna help you on new maps, aka improvement.
@@appuevt useless mod FOR BEGINNERS.
@@chadolosu yes im not stupid i read your 'for beginners earlier' and to which i answered 'still not a useless mod' and explained why below.
Bloominous Apple HT is ONLY for learning specific patterns on hard maps, which is never something a beginner will ever have to do
Fun fact: When I first started playing, I was so bad I couldn't click anything to the beat. I couldn't even pass 1 star maps. I had to use autopilot to be able to learn when to click. I still use it very occasionally when there is a rhythm I have a hard time hitting. I do see some kind of improvement using it, generally.
I have 6k pp and started playing hd and i feel like its gonna be a slow improvement
If we are taking profile pp as a measurement, you can really improve it insanely quickly by playing hd on nomod farm maps. I started playing hd, jumped from 5.5k to 6.5kpp in 2 months, then played tech only for a while and then my first 400 was also with hd.
Rudolf Sigmund can i see your profileee?
Rudolf Sigmund i wanna try some more maps
Agreed about the early high AR reading. Don't start using HR as your main if still low rank, don't be like me who can't read No Mod. But for some reason, I can read HR and EZ but not No Mod.
FrenZ: "at that point (3500pp), 200 pp plays are more than possible".
me: *sweating nervously looking at my single 200pp play at almost 3600pp*
Well, I got 2 plays, but they're easy 20second maps..
don't feel bad. when i had 3500 i think my highest was like 170-180 lmao
I got My first 200pp at 4.4k pp
i just got my first 200 the other day at 220k :D (it was cut the crap :(( )
@@ecifircas0 i think i'm the only one who got his first 200 with hardrock x.x
this video was actually so helpful to me who is climbing up the 6 digit ranks and wondering about the mods and pp
Good video as always!
4 months after starting I started playing hidden and then used only hidden for 9 months and screwed my reading, but I fixed it. Now I can read HD, HR, DT, and EZ pretty comfortably, with different combinations of those 4 mods also not outside my skill range. I'm still working on hddthr though. 38k rank btw.
hddthr is a hard one.
dont even got to watch the video and i can already say, whenever you want. enjoy the game
I main nomod.
HD - it messes with my reading | HR - I know people say use it to improve your accuracy but i say use it to get better at OD10+AR10 because it did not help me in any way that wasnt AR10 | DT - I like it but my fingers arent that fast so i cant fc anything | any other mods - no.
Shortly: use the mods you like and do NOT think that playing with a certain mod will make you BETTER at the game FASTER. You only going to be better at those type of plays and NOT nomod.
Depends I guess, I'm a main HDHR player and my accuracy transfered to nomod a bit.
funny thing is, right after playing the osu tutorial, I immediately went for dthdhr since while configuring my options, I noticed mods and clicked on it and saw a bunch of mods, I was like "Whatever, I play rhythm games and the tutorial was easy, How hard can it be?"
You could guess how it went, I kept on failing and failing because I didn't know how hidden worked I couldnt hit any notes, Until I realized that you had to tap when the note fades away and once I found out about that,Although My acc was trash,the ar was a bit too fast for me and I kept missing, I was able to pass maps and this is how I found my main mod, Hidden, I find hidden so much fun to play and so I practiced it and immediately knew that this was going to be my main mod with dt and hr for an extra challenge.
Honestly, If it werent for hidden, I probably would've stopped playing osu when I first started it for a few months, But hidden kept me captivated.
ive been playing since may 2018 and i only just completed an easy map with NCHR for the first time a couple weeks back.... i havent even touched hidden, not to mention im a 7 digit with 180 pp
I main RX and one thing I gotta say is that tapping really tanks your aim hard.
And here I am absolutely terrified of DT
Im just not a speedy person ;(
"you should use start using hr around 3500 pp and dt around 2000pp"
me: *checks my pp count (255pp)
also me: looks like i'm not messing with these 2 for a LONG time
I like that you started making osu videos again! Great video!
me who only plays hd (no nm really anymore) and is just now picking up dt
as a person who has only played hidden for almost half a year i cant play nm anymore....
I like how this is a direct contradiction to one advice I heard a lot last time : 'play hr to improve reading and reaction'. Yeah it basically doesn't change anything at 2 stars but at 3 stars it becomes unplayable for a person with 5 hours of playtime. Who ever made that advice caused so many people to quit/develop bad habit by playing wrongly istg
I got the advice to stop playing with mods when I was trying to pass a 3 star map, but I ended up ignoring it after getting stuck for 2 months and started playing hdhr every single time. Now I'm still a 6 digit and I always had an easier time reading when the ar is 10 and with hidden (thus, hdhr because it made all the 3 and 4 star maps ar 10). The problem now is that I have a lot of difficulty reading ar below 10, and one other consequence is that I can't read most hddt maps that is supposed to be easy for me because they are ar 8 + dt which is around less that ar 10. I can only read ones that are 8.4 and above with DT, and most of those are all out of my skill level.
@@awpa8976 As somebody who made a similar mistake, I can tell you that the only thing you can do is to take a step back, start playing "easy" maps with nomod starting from below your "skill level", you haven't learnt a fundamental part of the game by using hr so early, and maybe HD as well, try get consistency on
@@awpa8976 I don't think you 'cant read below ar10', you're just uncomfortable with it. what is the average acc you get when you play hdhr? 90? 95? 99? No one "can't read" a low ar, its nonsense.
@@choojunwyng8028 of course I was overexaggerating that I "can't read below ar 10" , but I have a really hard time trying to *even pass* using nomod on maps that I have 95% acc FC with HDHR on them. So it feels way harder than it should be because I will keep on tapping too early on jumps. (In comparison, it basically feels like I'm playing with the EZ mod but its more readable than that). If I practice hard enough, I definitely would get better at it and I won't have this problem I'm having, but its not really fun for me to play nomod, so I end up just playing HDHR all the time.
Talking from personal experience, I had a trash monitor so I always use hidden since high AR was impossible on it with approaching circles, now I usually play 5-6* but I've became ultra reliant on HD and cannot play without it. My circle reading skill is non existent. so yeah, don't start using hidden to early or you'll have to relearn approach circles.
lol as a player whos used hidden since I could barely fc 2*, its incredibly difficult to read no mod for maps i can easily pass with hd
As a non osu!-player...am I to understand that you can use the Hidden mod, which doesnt really seem to make the game much harder (or at all?), but gives you more points than playing the song unmodded?
Do mods have a separate leaderboard?
i’m a recent player ish w 3 days in playtime, i’m playing everything on hidden because my accuracy is ass and i press the side of the circles so i can see the number in the middle.
but with hidden i can press the center of a circle more. even if it’s harder
Great video!
Watching people try to get used to slider accuracy judement in lazer is gonna be fun whenever that actually becomes the official client.
I started playing hr pretty early my low ar reading skill is pretty bad but that's mainly because I don't find it fun if I wanted to learn it I would. high ar dt is easy to learn playing ar11 helps improving high ar reading speed
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HR can be really helpful for those who struggle to get good accuracy. That skill will then transition to when you play other mods and it'll make it easier to get really good accuracy when you play with mods besides HR. Also, why would you need to read ar7-9? You don't really get that much pp from it xd
you lost me at the ''you dont really get that much pp from it'' lol
@@johon127 Lol, I just said to get people mad xd
Ghost Den shut up noob you make me mad now 😡
@@hiiiii5_405 Sorry, I just got back from farming Harumachi clover.
Does AR even affect pp?
I became a full Hard Rock main at 900k and look at me now, cant play without Hard Rock anymore. oops
sure
So you cant play slow maps?
same lol
What do you mean you can’t play without hr anymore? I can understand hd players saying that but how does this even work for hr??
Bryce Games i’m sure these some term for it, but i’ll go with “ar-locking yourself”. for me, after using only hr for about a year it became extremely difficult to read anything below at 10 and low cs is also kinda hard. this is why higher players recommended not stepping too far out of your comfort zone, which results in ar-locking
Me at 120pp using DT and HD to make my 2 star maps more interesting
If i feel like i cant aim a map i play relax before i try it again and aftet that i have the confidence to aim it correctly relax is for me pretty important and helps me get normal scores (no im not a 6dig)
This might just be me, but I started playing HR around 2k pp and immediately got my top play with it 2 times in 1 day. It might just be because I was already an acc focused player but I’m pretty sure you don’t need to wait until 3.5k pp to learn it.
DTHR 1 star first week of playing :D
8:22 this is so true to me
my favorite mod combo is Nofail Score v2 i hate dying and getting pp i use it 100% of time playing solo
When i started . It felt slow . I put on HDDTHRFL . That's where the fun came in
I've always just used HR because it was fun
i thought that no fail was unranked so i used it on a hard map not really trying and i realized that it was ranked so i had to do the whole map again but i got a better score so i don't have to see a crap NF play
Lol relatable
eh while i do agree with most of the points you make for when to use mods, it doesnt exactly apply to someone who doesnt farm for pp anymore. ive been at the same rank for a good 3 months now and honestly i think you should try using nomod as much as possible and occasionally use other mods so you could still get experience with other mods while prioritizing nomod which is crucial to improvement.
I would actually recommend using hd when you first start the game. First by reading maps nm or hr only, and then with hd. This really helped my hd reading as I progressed through the game. The same for ez, as a lot of people lose their ability to read low ar as they become better.
so true. oftentimes i'd see a top 1500 player looking to chill on a 4-5* lobby then immediately dying due to the low ar.
bananya I don't think any decent top 1.5k does that unless they're failing to not submit
@@chadolosu i've unironically seen it happen multiple times. a lot of high rank players use hr for that reason, but ehh
bananya personally I've never seen it, and I've joined those lobbies with high rankers because they've either just gotten on or are about to get off, and they know they won't struggle so they don't need to sweat
i wish fl was an easier mod to sightread, because it really stands out right now. because every mod, even ez, even dt, even hddthr is sightreadable but in many cases fl simply is impossible to sightread. like if you end a combo at the bottom right and start a new on at the top left there is no followpoint to tell you it would be there. however, if the game were to use only the 0 combo fl cursor (for maybe a 1.08x score buff then rather than 1.12) all the time we would have plenty of fl mains and sightreaders. fl just stands out too much and it's not really like any other mods.
also, if the ez and hr mods weren't so ingrained in osu playerbase, i would make ez decrease all diffsettings by 1, not halve them, and also hr increase them by 1. this provides still a relatively linear scale and allows both mods to actually be playable and usable. ar8-9 6* is still fairly easily readable while ar5 is starting to push it.
Thank god i watch this early
I don’t know why but I have a PP of 500 and I absolutely love playing with Flashlight once I FC a map with DTHR
I played strictly HD from ~800pp to about 2.2kpp. Horrible mistake, took two months to get reasonable accuracy Nomod again
Ok the way you have explained each mod is fantastic but where to start is unclear. I'm a guy that dosent really play for pp and just wants to play well and with a decent score. I've wanted to start playing hidden at around the 5 star Mark but with you explaining it in terms of pp I'm completely lost. At what star would you say to start each mod
i've used HR so much that i can't read below like a 9.8 AR
i used to 3 mod 3 star maps for the first few weeks of playing, yeah it get me 600k with under 600 play count, but i feel like i have a huge skill block because of it
personally I learned hard rock and ar9+dt and I've majorly payed for it in constantancy I can keep up with harder maps but often make simple mistakes in lower difficulty maps I have over 400 hours in the game and due to this mistake I am stuck at 6 digits even though I play 200+ times everyday. Don't end up like me wait before you try mods. I'd rather be slower and have weaker aim then no be able to play any map consistently. :)
So you tell me i should stop using HR on everything? But i get up to 40pp this way! ... well ok guess then i start to learn how to do a simple burst first.
I literally start HRDT farming Sotarks' 2.5* maps at 390 pp lol
I started playing HDHR Jump (5-7*) maps as 500k and now as a 240k I can beat 5 digits in any jump maps
Maybe you can beat someone but that's impossible that you can beat guy higher than 40-50k
X to doubt
I generally always use hd unless it's a stream map or has a specific jump pattern
I personally think Hard Rock is just a more tame version of DT but that might just be me idk I find HR easier
I have been playing for 4 days now and I can finish some Normal Maps with HR on 🙂
I begin when i want.
lol
i DT a 5.5* at rank 400k. 1400pp. new top play.
slight problem is that it was way above my skill and i can really beat it... yet
This doki doki pic at the end
I didn’t even know about mods until playing for 5 months lol
I see people in to comments say how they can't play without HD and always play with it, I on the other hand can't for the love of god ever read HD.
Started using hidden 2 days after I started and never went back.. tried to learn no mod and it just never clicked with me.
If it makes any of you feel better, i'm at 4.8kpp and i have no clue how to play hd or dt.
instructions unclear, became good at nm
tfw you have 6k pp and haven’t learnt any mod but hd, and not only that but it feels almost impossible to learn anything that increases ar above 9.8…
I started using hidden when i was ranked 900k and i don't recommend just using hidden play map at least 4times use hidden then do no mod
wait how do these mods make it easier if your making the target smaller and doubling the speed? someone pls explain
Oh my god someone finally pronounced Osu! Correctly!!!
5500 pp and I barely touched hr... I'm just getting into dt and alternating but I think I'm improving
have a great day you too