This piece is somewhat of a meme among classical music enthusiasts. You can guarantee that when you go see this live (like I did) there will be people who clap after this movement then look really embarrassed when the 4th movement begins, ha!
@@PCCphoenix Not sure if your story is true or a joke, but it's believable. To paraphrase Shostakovich, their philosophy was that if you keep whipping people hard enough to tell them to be happy, they thought that's all that was needed to achieve it. Can't have a negative ending in Socialist Realism.
Yeah, this Symphony is one that never fails to get to me. In an odd way, I've always felt like this movement is one of the most tragic of them all. It comes across as forced merriment or triumph, with even some anger behind it, and knowing what has preceeded it and what ultimately follows makes it all the more gut-wrenching. Like a last breath of hope and life before finally resigning to despair. Heartbreaking.
Just now came across this description of this movement…I played it a few times (French horn) and your description is the BEST one I’ve ever heard to explain what this feels like in relation to the other movements.
Another joke is that this 3rd movement is not really triumphant. Many people think Tchaikovsky had bipolar disorder. He either did or he understood it remarkably well. This music repeatedly conveys grandiose thinking, unrealistic goals, and hypomanic or manic behavior leading to failure or disaster.
Perefectly said. Sometimes I feel in this music something unhealthy/nervious (depends on a performance though). Anyway this part lift my spirit up every time I listen to it :)
Thank you for noticing that ! This work would be so much better if they put this third movement as the finale and put the awful forth movement third !!!!!
As a classical musician, I frigging love when people clap between movements. It means you did a fantastic job and the audience knows that and wants to show you. I hate conductors that "poo poo" clapping.
Honestly that whole "tradition" is pretty stupid. Back in the day when these pieces were written, people would have clapped. That's an historical fact.
Think about the poor people listening to recordings of the performance after the fact, though. Even besides that, there are many pieces where an audience might assume that it's the end of a movement prematurely, so it's safest to only clap when the musicians stand to bow at the end.
Man nothing beats playing this, sitting on stage, feeling and hearing everything. 1989 I played 1st French horn at Interlochen, I was freakin 16, we were all 16-17 and just beat it’s ass all over the place. Itzhak Perlman guest conducted one of our rehearsals so of course the brass section left our balls on stage. My favorite part is the cello, contra triplets in the low end, just sitting there right in the middle of it. So awesome, never gets old. For people who have never played but love going to symphony concerts, just take that feeling of feeling what it’s like, and multiply it by 10 and surround yourself with it.
Gotta love that HEAVY METAL feel at 6:39... ... And that end to the Coda with those insistent Dominant-Tonic chords at 8:04: Beethoven revisited - with a vengeance!!! Thanks so much for uploading this version with Karajan.
In 1969, the British band The Nice did a rock version of this movement. I put that and this more "traditional" version in my "classical and prog" playlist. Thanks for the upload!
I love how pound-y (for lack of a better word) the brass and timpani are 5:40 and onwards sounds. It's almost like the Tchaikovsky is forcing a smile and really trying hard to persuade others he's happy.
@PintheDog Actually that's the tragic thing about it ... That this is not the ending. Tchaikovsky was joking, right, but it was a tremendously tragicomic joke.
try the orchestral pieces of romantic era Liszt, Smetana, Grieg, et. al. or symphonic poems like Finlandia, or the romantic German or Italian operatic masterpieces.
wait i heard somewhere he composed this symphony about a guy he was into? like if so sweet but. is this actually true? i haven't found another source yet but i mean lgbtq history and censorship go hand and hand so i don't actually know if i can say it's wrong because of that
+Wini Kibre Sorry your comment is from a while ago, but it is unknown if he wrote this symphony for someone he loved or not. It is very widely accepted that Tchaikovsky was in fact homosexual though because he wrote letters that hinted it. In one rather tragic letter to a friend he said something like "there is nothing more futile than wishing to be anything but what you are by nature". This paired with other strips of evidence in his letters would point to the fact that he was interested in men in a time and place that was very much against the prospect of same sex relationships. It is also theorized that the 6th symphony was in a way the suicide note of the great composer, as he died only 9 days after it's debut. I think of this movement as his last breath of triumph, or his last attempt to be content with his life. The whole thing sounds like a struggle between two voices to me. It doesn't sound like a happy movement to me... sort of insane really. I think the 6th symphony of Tchaikovsky represents the end of his composing career, his triumph, and his life. The last movement is one of the most heart wrenching pieces of music ever created. I highly recommend listening to it. The very end is said to represent the heartbeat of the composer slowing and fading away as he dies.......... Wow sorry that was depressing. Anyway, I hope that helped. :)
Some people believe that Tchaikovsky had bipolar disorder. I believe it because this 3rd movement of the 6th symphony repeatedly conveys hypomanic or possibly even manic behavior - e.g., terrible judgement, grandiose thinking, excessive activity, recklessness, impulsiveness, unrealistic plans - followed by failure or disaster.
Sam Stanley I know your post was 3 years ago but I’d like to say that I disagree with the fact that this symphony is a suicide note. After all, why would a composer who believed he had just completed the greatest work of his output kill himself?
just my own perception: the brass session is too dominant, usual in Karajan's BPO... I prefer Furtwangler's sound, especially his conducting of the first movement of this symphony But still the spirit of the music is explicitly shown from Karajan.
7 years old comment, I think it was a reply to that comment saying Tchaikovsky was gay with a frowny face. When Google tried to integrate Google+ into RUclips several years ago, it messed up the comment sections by removing all the likes and separating replies from the original comments, I guess that must have something to do with that. But why should you care?
Origins of music unevidenced. Except it is gift to humanity from God the Creator. Music continues in heaven. Discontinues in hell. Jesus Christ died and resurrected for remissions of everybody's pre-existing sins to save from eternal hell. Penalty of sin already paid by Jesus Christ on The Cross. Accept HIM. Be saved from eternal hell. Enter heaven. Enjoy heavenly music. For free.
You seem to have appeared in some more music videos besides this. I don't like this. I'm sorry but I'd rather accept Bach and more to enjoy the heaven of music, than that angry merciless so-called _god._ Everyone is free from the Sin, which has never existed.
@@proustfan We don't need government if sin/evil never existed. I lived in your kind of parallel opinion and rejected sin. And got unanswered answers for why evil pre-existing in me and everyone. Sin/evil exists, therefore God exists. Merism. Nobody taught us to sin. Sin pre-dates The Bible. The Bible explains origins of sin. The Bible provides remedy for pre-existing sin, through Jesus Christ death and resurrection. The Bible is best selling book in the world for this reason. Sin is universal problem. Sin is ubiquitous. Humanity contaminated by sin. Sin is the opium. Sin is real, The Bible is relevant. Sin/evil is doing something wrong. Sin is rebellion against the Sustained of the Universe. Sin is the most destructive force in the cosmos, the ultimate root of every pained heart, every broken family, every political war, every heinous genocide. Sin spreads through generations like a malignant cancer, and it razes civilization like plague. The effect of sin is cataclysmic. Like taking a sledgehammer to a mirror, sin shatters the image in which man is made. When Adam sinned, the image of God in man was irreparably broken. Sin has ravaged our souls and the entire world. There is no way for us to un-sin. We cannot simply do a few good deeds to unshatter our souls. There is nothing on earth that we can do. It would take a miracle, an act of God, Jesus death on cross to restore us and save this world. Sin takes us to hell for eternity. Sin is the disease of heart, and Jesus Christ is the cure. I don't need God if there is no pre-existing sin/evil
@@rmk2879 God existed before everything. God still exists. He is omnipotent, knows everything, also is willing to cease the evil. Then why does evil still exist? No more words needed. Prove that the Problem of Evil is wrong, otherwise God either doesn't exist or is worthless believing in.
@@proustfan Evil is temporary. The Bible tells how evil came, but not why God allowed it to happen. Bible tells evil ends. Satan author of evil, rules the world, wants to take us to hell where sin/evil quarantined. Jesus Christ had honesty and courage to take His own medicine - pain, humiliation, defeat, despair and death. The amazing news that even though we all deserve punishment, even though we deserve to go to hell, Jesus Christ - God himself - has provided way out for us. He doesn’t do this by leaving things unpunished, and so forgetting about justice. He does it by Himself taking our place; in His death taking our punishment and Himself experiencing hell so that we don’t have to. We can appreciate what we are saved from (ie hell) if we know and experience what evil is. Goodness is existing (corresponding to evil). God is the author of goodness. But then again who can answer why evil existing? Jesus Christ claimed to answer every question, reveal every mystery one day.
Tchaikovsky appeared a straight man to the public, and never revealed his sexuality. Apparently, sources say that he would socialize with other male figures on a ‘highly personal level.’ So as of current, there is some speculation about his sexuality.
The best and triumphant Finale ever written... But it's not a Finale!! :)
with an ironic depressive game changer right after
This piece is somewhat of a meme among classical music enthusiasts. You can guarantee that when you go see this live (like I did) there will be people who clap after this movement then look really embarrassed when the 4th movement begins, ha!
But during the Cold War, the Soviets transposed the third and fourth movements and made it the finale!
@@PCCphoenix Not sure if your story is true or a joke, but it's believable. To paraphrase Shostakovich, their philosophy was that if you keep whipping people hard enough to tell them to be happy, they thought that's all that was needed to achieve it. Can't have a negative ending in Socialist Realism.
Lol. Just watched two sets new video on conspiracies
Yeah, this Symphony is one that never fails to get to me. In an odd way, I've always felt like this movement is one of the most tragic of them all. It comes across as forced merriment or triumph, with even some anger behind it, and knowing what has preceeded it and what ultimately follows makes it all the more gut-wrenching. Like a last breath of hope and life before finally resigning to despair. Heartbreaking.
Well said
Just now came across this description of this movement…I played it a few times (French horn) and your description is the BEST one I’ve ever heard to explain what this feels like in relation to the other movements.
Which is what it was about. Tchaikovsky hated the fact he was gay and was in despair about what he called "X".
what?
@@sanfordson2551...or "Z ".
Thank you for your support, I really appreciate it.
yeah, the continuation of the 2nd movement.⭐️
Anytime, brotha
The "joke" is that this triumphant finale is not a finale, It's the 3rd movement while the 4rd is extremely tragique.
As was intended.
Another joke is that this 3rd movement is not really triumphant. Many people think Tchaikovsky had bipolar disorder. He either did or he understood it remarkably well. This music repeatedly conveys grandiose thinking, unrealistic goals, and hypomanic or manic behavior leading to failure or disaster.
Perefectly said. Sometimes I feel in this music something unhealthy/nervious (depends on a performance though). Anyway this part lift my spirit up every time I listen to it :)
4th* if it is 4RD it would be called fourd which doesn’t make sense though
It feels almost like a constant reassurance and there’s always that underlying anxiety
@Malkolm Lind you read the diaries, right?
GREATEST MARCH EVER WRITTEN! I love you John Phillip Sousa, but I gotta give the prize for best march to old Petey T.
It's not triumphant, it's heart-wrenching
The best finale ever written that wasn't a finale!
Thank you for noticing that ! This work would be so much better if they put this third movement as the finale and put the awful forth movement third !!!!!
There’s a kind of force or power of the 3rd movement. I love the rhythm and the pace. Phenomenal and gorgeously rendered 🙏🏻👍🏻👏🏻⭐️🎶
As a classical musician, I frigging love when people clap between movements. It means you did a fantastic job and the audience knows that and wants to show you. I hate conductors that "poo poo" clapping.
Honestly that whole "tradition" is pretty stupid. Back in the day when these pieces were written, people would have clapped. That's an historical fact.
Think about the poor people listening to recordings of the performance after the fact, though. Even besides that, there are many pieces where an audience might assume that it's the end of a movement prematurely, so it's safest to only clap when the musicians stand to bow at the end.
Man nothing beats playing this, sitting on stage, feeling and hearing everything. 1989 I played 1st French horn at Interlochen, I was freakin 16, we were all 16-17 and just beat it’s ass all over the place. Itzhak Perlman guest conducted one of our rehearsals so of course the brass section left our balls on stage. My favorite part is the cello, contra triplets in the low end, just sitting there right in the middle of it. So awesome, never gets old.
For people who have never played but love going to symphony concerts, just take that feeling of feeling what it’s like, and multiply it by 10 and surround yourself with it.
The last hope in his eyes used in this movement.
He forgot that he has 1 more so he just wrote it with depression
The last movement is a musical suicide note. It was the last thing Tchaikovsky ever wrote.
Alright, where the hell is the loop button.
Gotta love that HEAVY METAL feel at 6:39...
... And that end to the Coda with those insistent Dominant-Tonic chords at 8:04: Beethoven revisited - with a vengeance!!!
Thanks so much for uploading this version with Karajan.
The funny thing about this is that so many people thought this was the last movement, not knowing there was a fourth, slower movement.
There was a mind-blowing cover version of this piece at the end of Frank Capra's Why We Fight: The Battle of Russia. Totally awesome!
thank you random stranger! it's really good!
In 1969, the British band The Nice did a rock version of this movement. I put that and this more "traditional" version in my "classical and prog" playlist. Thanks for the upload!
Played this with the 2019 FMEA All-State Symphony Orchestra. Very Fun!!
I love how pound-y (for lack of a better word) the brass and timpani are 5:40 and onwards sounds. It's almost like the Tchaikovsky is forcing a smile and really trying hard to persuade others he's happy.
absolutely especially when you hear the next mvt. That's why I Iove this one so much
1980 Moscow Summer Olympics opening ceremony tribute to the Greeks! Let's GOOOO!
Yes, this movement for me is like the second movt of Mahler 9. Rage, bitterness and sarcasm given a sugar coating.
Forgotten how good this piece is
Now this what I call music! (I love this Movement since I listened to it in Legend of the Galactic Heroes)
0:44 i love when strings and brass passing each other short and fierce notes
Sorry to say that it's brass
The fucking best.
The third mvt. Is my
favorite ❤
This should be the finale of this sixth symphony it would be so much more enjoyable for sure !!!!!
This kicks so much fucking ass...
Karajan ran a tight group of musicians. Very good rendition.
最愛的一首交響樂
Just saw the NY Phil play this. Absolutely fantastic.
Gr0000000vy march! Pete could score marches and waltzes tres jolie!
I've heard better pizzicato in this mvmt though.
5:10 and on is the part I love the most
@PintheDog Actually that's the tragic thing about it ... That this is not the ending. Tchaikovsky was joking, right, but it was a tremendously tragicomic joke.
i love the piccolo high 'g' at 7:48 ... but for some reason you just cant hear it in this recording...
Технически точно и смысл выдержан, а фортиссимо на кульминации не сделано -- это делает отношение к произведению формальным.
Ca c'est de la musique !!!!!!
Genius, genius, genius...
from 4:55 "I would only believe in a god who could dance" Nietzsche
@GunnarMcGriff , i totaly agree, j'ai pensé a ça dès que je l'ai écouté^^
No you have totally misunderstood the piece. This is in exactly the right place.
Excelente
this go hard
last horseplay before the end :) :/ :(
Sensational!
this happens much too often, which is why they tend to start the fourth ASAP lol
difficult not to applaud after an ending like that! Holy cats! 👏
5:10 Indiana Jones!
Indiana Jones?
My favorite parts were the quotations of Beethovens 5th 1:03
Wowzers...
Anybody here because they heard this song on Groundhog Day?
allora KEITH che ne dici ?
It’s not Swan Lake but it sounds like his Swan Song. The 6th Symphony should have ended there.
Cu toate acestea, ei asculta muzica lui minunată. Orientarea lui sexuală este lipsită de relevanţă.
Quatch!
@StopTheMoti0n You see? Exactly!
karajan?
music tortures the mind because its emotion without some representation of reality you can deal with to embrace the feeling.
try the orchestral pieces of romantic era Liszt, Smetana, Grieg, et. al. or symphonic poems like Finlandia, or the romantic German or Italian operatic masterpieces.
So riviting how the man knew his audience.Very Modern.
hi laihendo
島田荘司短編「IgE」にて御手洗潔が依頼人に対して本曲を、軍隊式だの、トムとジェリーだの、こき下ろしたのでラストがコメディとして聴こえてしまう。 実際は尊大な秦野を揶揄いたかっただけで、カラヤンや本曲を軽蔑したのだとは思いたくない。
Is that compressed audio? It feels like a bad mp3 128 kbs :(
wait i heard somewhere he composed this symphony about a guy he was into? like if so sweet but. is this actually true? i haven't found another source yet but i mean lgbtq history and censorship go hand and hand so i don't actually know if i can say it's wrong because of that
+Wini Kibre Sorry your comment is from a while ago, but it is unknown if he wrote this symphony for someone he loved or not. It is very widely accepted that Tchaikovsky was in fact homosexual though because he wrote letters that hinted it. In one rather tragic letter to a friend he said something like "there is nothing more futile than wishing to be anything but what you are by nature". This paired with other strips of evidence in his letters would point to the fact that he was interested in men in a time and place that was very much against the prospect of same sex relationships. It is also theorized that the 6th symphony was in a way the suicide note of the great composer, as he died only 9 days after it's debut. I think of this movement as his last breath of triumph, or his last attempt to be content with his life. The whole thing sounds like a struggle between two voices to me. It doesn't sound like a happy movement to me... sort of insane really. I think the 6th symphony of Tchaikovsky represents the end of his composing career, his triumph, and his life. The last movement is one of the most heart wrenching pieces of music ever created. I highly recommend listening to it. The very end is said to represent the heartbeat of the composer slowing and fading away as he dies..........
Wow sorry that was depressing. Anyway, I hope that helped. :)
Some people believe that Tchaikovsky had bipolar disorder. I believe it because this 3rd movement of the 6th symphony repeatedly conveys hypomanic or possibly even manic behavior - e.g., terrible judgement, grandiose thinking, excessive activity, recklessness, impulsiveness, unrealistic plans - followed by failure or disaster.
Alex Q. Kibre 3 years late but if he didn’t write any piece for a lover I suppose it would be Autumn.
Sam Stanley I know your post was 3 years ago but I’d like to say that I disagree with the fact that this symphony is a suicide note. After all, why would a composer who believed he had just completed the greatest work of his output kill himself?
Imogen Briggs and how do you know this? His letters suggest nothing of the sort
5:30
too fast in my opinion
just my own perception: the brass session is too dominant, usual in Karajan's BPO... I prefer Furtwangler's sound, especially his conducting of the first movement of this symphony
But still the spirit of the music is explicitly shown from Karajan.
And why should you care ?
what?
7 years old comment, I think it was a reply to that comment saying Tchaikovsky was gay with a frowny face. When Google tried to integrate Google+ into RUclips several years ago, it messed up the comment sections by removing all the likes and separating replies from the original comments, I guess that must have something to do with that. But why should you care?
@@GenericGoogleAccount I see. I was just curious why you commented this. I didn't realise you were replying to someone
Sie spielen zu schnell. Deshalb klappert es. Einen Tick langsamer und präziser wäre besser.
Eigentlich das ist nicht zu schnell
Origins of music unevidenced. Except it is gift to humanity from God the Creator. Music continues in heaven. Discontinues in hell.
Jesus Christ died and resurrected for remissions of everybody's pre-existing sins to save from eternal hell. Penalty of sin already paid by Jesus Christ on The Cross. Accept HIM. Be saved from eternal hell. Enter heaven. Enjoy heavenly music. For free.
You seem to have appeared in some more music videos besides this. I don't like this.
I'm sorry but I'd rather accept Bach and more to enjoy the heaven of music, than that angry merciless so-called _god._ Everyone is free from the Sin, which has never existed.
@@proustfan We don't need government if sin/evil never existed.
I lived in your kind of parallel opinion and rejected sin. And got unanswered answers for why evil pre-existing in me and everyone.
Sin/evil exists, therefore God exists. Merism.
Nobody taught us to sin. Sin pre-dates The Bible. The Bible explains origins of sin. The Bible provides remedy for pre-existing sin, through Jesus Christ death and resurrection. The Bible is best selling book in the world for this reason.
Sin is universal problem. Sin is ubiquitous. Humanity contaminated by sin. Sin is the opium.
Sin is real, The Bible is relevant.
Sin/evil is doing something wrong. Sin is rebellion against the Sustained of the Universe. Sin is the most destructive force in the cosmos, the ultimate root of every pained heart, every broken family, every political war, every heinous genocide. Sin spreads through generations like a malignant cancer, and it razes civilization like plague. The effect of sin is cataclysmic. Like taking a sledgehammer to a mirror, sin shatters the image in which man is made. When Adam sinned, the image of God in man was irreparably broken.
Sin has ravaged our souls and the entire world. There is no way for us to un-sin. We cannot simply do a few good deeds to unshatter our souls. There is nothing on earth that we can do. It would take a miracle, an act of God, Jesus death on cross to restore us and save this world.
Sin takes us to hell for eternity.
Sin is the disease of heart, and Jesus Christ is the cure.
I don't need God if there is no pre-existing sin/evil
@@rmk2879 God existed before everything. God still exists. He is omnipotent, knows everything, also is willing to cease the evil. Then why does evil still exist?
No more words needed. Prove that the Problem of Evil is wrong, otherwise God either doesn't exist or is worthless believing in.
@@proustfan Evil is temporary.
The Bible tells how evil came, but not why God allowed it to happen. Bible tells evil ends.
Satan author of evil, rules the world, wants to take us to hell where sin/evil quarantined.
Jesus Christ had honesty and courage to take His own medicine - pain, humiliation, defeat, despair and death.
The amazing news that even though we all deserve punishment, even though we deserve to go to hell, Jesus Christ - God himself - has provided way out for us. He doesn’t do this by leaving things unpunished, and so forgetting about justice. He does it by Himself taking our place; in His death taking our punishment and Himself experiencing hell so that we don’t have to.
We can appreciate what we are saved from (ie hell) if we know and experience what evil is.
Goodness is existing (corresponding to evil). God is the author of goodness.
But then again who can answer why evil existing?
Jesus Christ claimed to answer every question, reveal every mystery one day.
he was a gay...:(((
No u
lol jk
but seriously are you sure?
Tchaikovsky appeared a straight man to the public, and never revealed his sexuality. Apparently, sources say that he would socialize with other male figures on a ‘highly personal level.’ So as of current, there is some speculation about his sexuality.
Who cares if he was gay or not. What matters is his good music. :)
he was a composer and a human being who happened to like men- big deal, this does not diminish the greatness of the man.
How do you know? You told him last night?
What a horrible version