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This entire game can be resumed in one frase: "High investment, low rewards"
2:43 EXACTLY. Group play is just so miserable, but I like the game and love solo outside of bound gold being trash, and completely braindead. I would prefer the old gold amount, and hard modes for extra bound gold.
@@czekskii spoken like a true gold farmer.
@@jlee9360 wdym. I play on 1 account (occasional alts to test new characters with passes, but short lived) and spend all my gold on improving my characters. Just saying not being able to push gems, craft orehas, etc is kind of a bummer.
@czekskii you can get some unbound gold by doing some group raids or selling mats that you get. The shard bags and juice mats from chaos gate are a great source of income. Life skill so you don't need to buy orehas. If I sell mats from Guardia raids and chaos gates that's a decent think of gold on top of you bound gold. It's not that bad. If them make it unbound I'm not doing group content anymore 85% is good enough for me.
@@jlee9360 I promise you it isn't enough. Anyone coming back to the game that wants to progress their roster in a 6+ month behind solo setting is going to run into issues with 25k gold or less per week from selling mats... mats they might need to click hones. Not saying all the gold should be unbound, but it needs to be more or players gonna feel a lack of progress very quickly.
@czekskii literally pushed a character to 1615 with the event for almost nothing all the events they have currently the new chaos dungeons weekly vendor. You are not including those.
Needs to change bound gold to back to normal gold. They forget new players want to aim for cosmetics as a goal and changing Una is such a bad decision.
Thank RMT gold seller turds for bound gold...but there's a 50% chance you are one.
@raynekayde6405 why would you change back and get less gold? You can always sell you mats from chaos and Guardians that will get you unbound gold.
Solo raids should be an alternative prog with how 1620 -1640 is extremely hard to get into(40 set lix, trans, roster lvl)
I quit playing this game back when clown released in the west; came back for 2 weeks and all i did was solo raids. The powerpass and express helped a ton but the issue is the lack of gold. Solo raids do not pay well and the reason i quit the game was because of the degree of gatekeeping the game had and i refuse to go thru the 'restart raid jail again'. I will prolly play it casually for a month max and then i'll prolly get bored of it. If they want this game to grow they have to implement an alternative way of progression and this ain't it.
How about this for a crazy idea (I am saying crazy coz a few people are calling me delusional in discord):
You make express events tied to solo raids and everything is free. 1st step: you get 1425 gear autmatically and level 5 gems. you kill Valtan solo , you go to step 2: free 1470 gear. and free LoS 14. You kill Vykas you go step 3: 1520 gear and level 7 gems, you kill Brel solo you go step 4: you get 1570 gear set bonus 24 LoS -> and so on. After you clear Voldis solo you get You get level 9 gems and free los 30. And then you can continue to if you want do solo raids and progress slowly to 1620 or when confident enough start doing group content.
And FFS hide roster level already.
Lvl 9 gems is better than most people roster which would be fucked up.
It should be like that. As much as I hate 1600 new players that can hit the boss and die all the time.
At least they would learn every kind of mechanics
Because giving item level without any knowledge doesn’t make sense sadly
And they should nerf to the ground normal mode for new players
Generally seems fine, as in this does give players the actual rewards needed to do group content after completing the event. My problem with the idea is that solo mode is currently way too easy to impart good ideas about how to play the content correctly. The damage that attacks do is much lower than the normal raid and the required damage is too low to need good uptime and dps to succeed. Akkan G1 is over 15 times lower hp than the same G1 Normal Akkan as opposed to a more reasonable 10-12x lower(to account for missing support buffs and other class synergies). Roster level gatekeep has always been wild. I've found gatekeeping people without a skin on pants/top/helm/weapon and below 60 combat stats on any stat works a lot better as a knowledge check. Now that I'm thinking about it again, give this increased difficulty incredible 1-time roster bound gold rewards to make it worth the hours it will take a new player to prog. 100-250k bound gold per raid. Slap on a icon title for beating all of these solo raids and suddenly there is a way for new players to show that they have learned all the solo raids to a moderate difficulty. It also gives them a ton of gold to hone up, do quality, ect that they will be be needing.
@kyle784 yes give them a entire weeks worth of all hm raids in gold for beating 1 solo raid mode... if they gave everyone clearing silo mode for the first time we would have 0 people running Nirmal raids for a while. Good idea. I would even skip my other gold earning raids for quick 15 mins of work
@@jlee9360 level 9 t3 gems that will become obsolete in t4 months... sure..game changing
As a vet player with 1 1640 and 3 1620s and 2 1590s in my top 6. I love being able to do solo raids on my bottom 2 chars, still make some gold without it feeling like I'm wasting my time. And have 6 less party finders per week. Even better that I can do them at odd hours when party finder is pretty dead.
Before the extra gold from making it bound I did not feel it was worth the time.
I don't think it's that playing GL is wrong. But if he tries another class later, it's going to be a tough time. I think that's all they're saying
Solo or dynamic 1-4...agreed. It's just what works in the west. Eight players is too many. We like it, but like, make that the challenge modes because it's too difficult to do that weekly with life for so many people. Four player runs are very easy to do compared to eight player runs. I fear Behemoth.
Bound gold is so stupid, can't buy mats from Auction House
22:15 man, imagine you just befriended because you play support. I f cking hate that for some reason.
Most who play solo raids do them to progress not learn, and i bet most dont ever want to touch group content.
Stopped playing WOW after 15+ years because raiding with cringe and toxic people on discord just isnt fun when ur past 30's.
Im only playing Lost Ark now because i can solo raid to progress towards unlocking the story/regions.
So yeah they should make it more worthwhile and not a copy of group content because lets be real, who does this to learn and go to group content where ur gatekept because of roster lvl and no LOS 30... Makes no sense.
@boghyboghy3642 I'm well past my 30s and doing well in lost ark group content. I clear echidna and thaemine hm 3 times a week and do 3 normals. To me it sounds like you are having issues with gameplay. Should I suggest easier characters. Scrapper breaker souleater paladin gunslinger reaper shadow hunter berserker or slayer, all of them are extremely easy to play I forgot to mention sorc and wardancer as well. You don't really need to think and all of them do enough damage.
@@jlee9360 You really didnt get what i was saying but, okay
Not French, but probably Canadian. Bless the watch Cautty!
I heard some inklings of Canadian with the "about" and "out" and stuff. Nice well-spoken vid btw.
I love my Gunlancer, and can attest to the potential of GL (I play Blue). I end up doing 50% of the damage on my GL in every raid/dungeon/guardian raid... its pretty sad really.
In my region, streamers complain that we shouldn't play the game if we don't like group content. I find this statement terrible. I'm more of your opinion that players should have the opportunity to make progress in Lost Ark on their own without having to rely on other players. Players who already run in a static groups have far fewer problems and can hardly understand obstacles for solo players and unfortunately too often wonder why people complain. These "static" players don't think about the fact that a system like solo raids can contribute massively to Los Ark getting and retaining new players.
It sucks that this game is simply made for hardcore players and not casuals. The thing that made me wanna play this game in the first place was how many characters there was ir how cool they looked, but now I know that it doesn't matter at all because realistically you can only play few without making it a full time job. The stupidiest part in all of this is that sometimes it's not the grind that waste most of the time, but rather wating to get into the party and actually play the game. For real, party finder must be worst system there is and I believe many many problems appears because of it. You literally take game that is extremely punishing for every mistake and allow best players to cherry pick their teammates, what do you think would happen? Of cource they will gatekeep as much as they can. I think the best solution would be to nerf the demage requirements to pats current and future raids, remove the normal mode completely and instead of it make solo run that would be the place where people could learn all the mechs with clear explanations. Hard mode can be be only group raids, but based on some kind of match making (obviously you could still play with some friends) and not fucking party finder. Also, make hm only accesable after completing solo run few times, so that everyone would actually know the mechs. Finally you can leave inferno difficulty with party finder for hardcore players, but make some restrictions on it so that players would not just switch to playing inferno. This way people could really play the game and even do it with even more characters because without gatekeep it would not be necessary to have everything maxed out on a character and players could devide their resources. Also, for this to work please make it easier to hone elixirs and other things if you're not doing it for a first time, like why honing 10th character cost the same as the first? It makes people don't wanna develop more characters. It would not even hurt the developers, because hardcore players would simply switch between having 2 characters to lets say 8 and it would take similar amount of time/money
@nojusnaraskevecius6339 bro are you ok?
yes on the dynamic queue, I don't wanna play with 4 extra monkeys in some cases but don't wanna bus it at the same time. Or you wanna carry a friend. being able to go in with fewer than full amount players would be huge
I solo raid akkan i was 1580 and dead in g3 it was too hard without support shield, now i never ever do akkan solo raid again the dev design on solo raid is stupid
try to hone to 1600 and bring purple pot it will make it easier, however akkan g3 requires to dodge a lot and do dps at the same time so it will be quite challenging for new players. Dont give up and give it another try, you will be fine.
there are too many difference in mec in solo raids compared to group content, haha you wish guys that cancer ivory tower gate 3 was that easy during release...
literally those raid serve only to see the mec, they don't even teach you the proper position, imagine dude going in and counter all the mirror like that ahahaha
and as usual the gold income in this game is total despair and they keep nerfing for godamn whatever reason, meanwhile bus drivers sell 50k raid and the rich get more richer.
you wanna play lost ark, the income get decent if you have a full roster of 1630 char, but the point is how do you get to that point hehe xd,
just RMT early i guess before u commit to an 8k hour steam account. in fact people have exploited this game vast and large in the past
the game isnt growing because no one can play the game... a new player comes to the game they get a powerpass that skips to 1520 then they are thrown in to a mess of content which is basically ONLY END GAME RAIDS... there is no "game" to play... its a raid simulator... why would anyone want to come play this when they could load up wow and make 5 characters and all those characters get to go thru an express lvling to 70 and have fun...
and god forbid they powerpass a class they dont like... GG onto a new game
Make all content soloable, 80% bound NM gold, and the latest raid non soloable. This is the way. Also, NM and HM rewards are the same, just different quantity for mats/gold. Also mounts/pet drops will strictly be for HM.
We need solo for thaemine I need to learn the raid
G1 Echidna is the new clown in terms of visual clutter. That first phase is so gross.
Solo raids themselves aren't the problem especially the difficulty. He mentions it briefly in the video but the actual problem Lost Ark has are all these horizontal progression systems, all these currencies, all these different items and so on. New Players are overwhelmed with dozens of systems. It's like having a game like Elden Ring (Where difficulty is also not a problem, but rather the appeal) but then a new player gets thrown into the game with dozens of systems he/she is expected to know.
its not so bad if u play and learn from the beginning. problem is you'll never catch up cause everything is timegated
I agree. It's the hardcore veterans that are killing this game. I came back after one year and at one point I was hardcore veteran as well. I didn't play for over a year but I have over 5600 hours so if I kept on playing I would've had well over 10 000 hours MINIMUM and be in the top 1% no lifers. I agree with the solo mode reward being total shyte. But there are veterans who think the current rewards are too much. 😂😂 Because of people like that, this game will die faster and faster....
I dont get why you are blaming a demographic you don't play with. You dont play with the top 1% and neither do I. I still do hm thaemine and echidna. How are they killing the game?
well literally the game is designed for whale and no lifer if you want to be able to play the latest raid so yeah pretty much no one that has a normal life want to play it anymore
@@jlee9360 I'm talking about the ones complaining and they're usually the whales. There is even a whale streamer here on youtube complaining that solo raid gives too much gold BEFORE the gold buff. Also I'm not top 1% now but I was at one point. My DB has stone I cut that is 98-0 stone. I got the golden horse for all regions 100% 2 years ago way before Asmongold got his and he got it really fast too people were surprised.
@@jlee9360 And seriously don't play dumb. I was at that 1% so I know the elitism these people have and they make the game community and party finder community super toxic. Because whatever they do trickles down to everyone else. Because all the people try to copy the best, whether it's the whales or the streamers (who are 99% whales). This type of toxicity can still work for Korean server because Korean region has a huge player base and all the other Korean mmo are even worse such as Maple Story and Lineage series. The western audience don't have the patience to put up with all that bs and they have way better options. Koreans do not. That's why this game is dying in almost all regions other than Korea and China. It died even in Japan.
@Landstalker1999 what are you talking about this 1%? You were that 1% what does that even mean. Trickle down? Lol are you ok bro.
I dont understand why they dont just give people the ilvl to do the latest raid. If kearning is the issue allowing peiple to do it wgen it comes out would be the best option. You still have the hm but the normal mode should be reachable by anyone after a small amount of time.
Real talk on the GL bit lol. People who have been playing for 2 years still do new player dps.
So solo raids turned out to be a dud then? Well, guess I'll keep playing other stuff.
Worst part of playing Lost Ark was always having to play with its toxic waste dump of a community, so long as that's still the only way you can really play, then there's just no way I'd go back.
depends, the solo raid itself is excellent but the reward is meh.
@@petetam7394
Sure, but as I believe was noted in the video, being able to make progress with what you're doing is important. If the solo raids just never provide enough gold that a person can manage to progress doing them, as they were meant only as training tools to prepare for group content, with that being the continued intended way to play, eventually you'd either feel compelled to do group content, or just quit.
The appeal of solo raids to me, and from the sounds of it, of many others, was as an alternate path of progression, that allowed one to avoid the horrible player base this game has, if it just won't effectively function for that purpose, what's the point of even installing the game again? Sure they were meant to stop at the fourth to last piece of group content, but that seemed to be the trade off, either play with everyone, as a hardcore sweaty try hard, and have access to everything, or remain a few steps back, but be able to play at your own pace, on your own. Evidently though, things didn't work out that way.
@@Someone--Elseso to be fair, even in the group mode it also gives little gold compare to what you need. The solo raid now can be clear fast and if you have a few 1540 alt (which are free of gold to hone) to run lower raid to feed to your main, it will be pretty decent for HONING alone since bound gold can be used.
What I am and others are complaning is the 100% bound gold reward, eventually people will need gold to buy gems and skin in the AH and buond gold can not be used, so it is better that solo raid give a fraction in tradable gold.
@@petetam7394
People in the global version at least have been complaining about not having enough gold from the start, but solo raids evidently provide noticeably less than their group versions. Now if these were things one could do as many times as you want, then providing a faster, but less rewarding version would make sense, but since you can only do them once a week, it makes for a situation like those practice versions of raids that no one did as they consume the same entry count as the normal group version, but provide less rewards.
"skill issue bad, give me more gold" is such an insanely selfish take. Whomever said that has the memory of a fly.
such elitist behavior, homie cant take a hint that the playercount is dropping lmao
I find amaizing how people wanna turn a MMORPG into a ARPG, they wanna play diablo 4, PoE, Last Epoch but they dont play those games.
People always want something that don't have , making LA solo and making D4 more MMO !! Its all happens becuse games are online and people CAN effect on games , 10 years ago when you bought the dvd , that was it , no more change was possible.
I would say solo raid is quite challenging for new player. It is fun todo and the raid feels great but not that easy. Most people who claim it easy have run the group version so many times.
Overall still a great mode to have in the game exept the 100% bound gold reward is pretty meh.
I did my first solo voldis on my breaker alt to try it out. Literally 9 mins start to finish.
@@jlee9360are you a new player who never run Ivory group before ? probably not cuz I myself also blow it under 10 mins on GS alt . My comment applies to new player , no point to brag about how fast you run solo raid when you already run the group ver hundreds time already. 😂
@petetam7394 I don't run ivory tower anymore and haven't for a while I just tried it to see. The fact is it is not hard. It just needs to be learned l. Every game has a learning curve and this one is no exception. You learn it and then blow through it.
@@jlee9360lmao, so you admit your have run the group mode before and then brag how easy solo mode is, of course it will be easy after you spend the time to prog a more difficult version before. While I agree with your statement that spending time to learn will make it easy, the real issue is how much time ? i am pretty sure that not many new players interest in spending many hours to wipe. While the raid itself is very good, non of the version even solo is appeal to a more casual playerbase, the group that tend to be labeled that has “no hand”
@@petetam7394 I don't know if i was learning maybe an hour or 2 to learn the raid is well within reason. The mechs barely do any damage. You need these players to learn how to play their class not just unga bunga through everything for free. Without learning how to play their class they will just get kicked from groups for doing Z dps and will end up hating the game.
Why normal people play this shit if there are actual good games come out each month.
that guy from these series just logs in for the video i swear he is not even improving by any means
come on man, at least he spend 6hr to prog Akkan. Not everyone can play day and night.
But that was the point for his whole series, being a super casual player, a casual player is not logging every single day, its not doing raids every week, you can't expect people that don't play be doing 1 shot raids.
This entire game can be resumed in one frase: "High investment, low rewards"