Who were the MLECCHAS ?
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Every ancient society had the concept of Outsiders, those who do not belong to their culture. In the Ancient Indian Tradition, the term Mleccha was used. In this video, I talk about what the Dharmasutra and Dharmashastra literature have to say about Mlecchas. I also discuss how Mlecchas are viewed in Buddhist and Jaina traditions as well.
References:-
1. Mlecchas in early India: A study in attitudes towards outsiders upto AD 600 by Aloka Parasher Sen.
2. The Image of the Barbarian in Early India by Romila Thapar (ARTICLE)
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Mellecha in Vedas are different than Dharamsutras , Mellecha in Vedas are the people who migrated from India and no longer follow Vedic Traditions , Battle of 10 kings some tribes were expelled from india , these people over time stopped following Vedic Traditions
Yes but in medieval times they start referring islamic invaders also as mlechhas. The mlecchas meaning change. They started calling barbarians as mlecchas
Pre Vedic people can be treated by that too. Migrated from India ? Where ?
@@BrownBengalee he meant to say EXCOMMUNICATED from Indian Not MIGRATED
What you are saying its nothing like that, the opposite of Swachha (Clean) is Mlechha (Dirty), simple; Not some 'Native" VS "Foreigner"
You should know rightly about vedas. For that reason knowing vedic sanskrit is essential which is different from Laukik Sanskrit. You should go to a vaidic gurukul(there are around 40-50 only now mostly in haryana and uttarkhand) and learn Ashtadhyay, Mabhashya, Nirukt along with all 6 vedangas, after that you will an understand the brahman granth(the descriptive text of the 4 veda) and then the 11 principal upanishads and then finally you would gain the qualifications for understanding vedas.
Reading interpretations by foreign scholars such as Muller, William is useless and you will end up misunderstanding as they misinterpreted vedas which gave rise to several dogmatic theories . Veda do not contain history, that's why they are called Ishvara granth. Rigveda contains knowledge about cosmos in philosophical form and about it's designer the brahman and it's various attributes (like Indra etc) so it is known as Jyankaanda, the yajurveda contains knowledge about vaidic kaarmakanda, the saamveda praises the creation and it's creator in a musical form also known as upasana kaanda whereas the atharva veda contains knowledge about medicine, and various sciences so also known as Vijyaankaanda.
Mleccha is what my mom calls me when I haven't showered till noon.
Interesting!! Can you tell more about that?
Tf true 😂
What a based mom
In Odia we still use "Bhadabhada" clearly derived from Sanskrit word Barabara to mean Gibberish. I dont think it is borrowed from Greek. It maybe a common IndoEuropean word or accidental similarty.
@Grappu the related Sanskrit word is Barbara, not barbarik.
@Grappu There is a Barbarik in Sanskrit but it is not related to Barbara, rather it is a type of plant. A barbaric person would be called Barbara Manushya. The quality of being barbaric would be Barbarata in Sanskrit.
Bhai Bhagabata spelling ta bhul lekicha.
@@mtarkes barbareek is a Sanskrit name, but it doesn't translate to brabaric.
Bhadabhada in odia is more of an onomatopoeia for someone speaking a great deal of nonesense or meaningless things and has nothing to do with "Barbara"
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Love this channel. Well done Jay. I like your approach. I am a south Indian living in Italy and I love history sooo much but it's hard to find good channels on Indian history(a balanced one) especially on ancient India .. . I am now going to listen to yours like I do other Western 😃 podcasts . History is fascinating! Thanks again.
Thank you for the kind words. Glad you found my videos informative.
Would you connect Mlecchas with Meluhha, and/or Melek referring to Kings in the Mid-East?
There's a theory that the word Mleccha is derived from Meluha. The word Meluha appears in Mesopotamian inscription and Historians have argued that Meluha was used for the people of Indus Valley. But I think there aren't enough evidence to prove this theory.
@@marshallmathers4738 everyone was a malechch for other traditions. For early Buddhists people who didn't speak magadhi prakrit were mlechchh. For rigvedic people everyone outside of saptasindhu were malechchh, most of the time they called Persian tribes malechchh. I don't find a single mantra in Rig-Veda where Nepalis are called mlechchh in Rig-Veda, Rig-Veda didn't even know if nepal exists. I don't know were you found your sources that Nepali tribes were malechcha in hindu literature.
There's a hypothesis baloch word emerged from malech or malekh or maleh. I think meluha in Sumerian literature were not for all IVC people but baloch tribes of baloochistan region. I think ancient baloch tribes were hostile to rigvedic people. Though everything is hypothesis, nothing can be said with certainty till a Rosetta stone is found.
@@marshallmathers4738 No, Mleccha was not used in sence of tribes too. King Ram's friend the Tribal King who helped Ram to cross Ganga, had studied with Ram was mentioned as "Prabhu or Mahodaya"...... In one of the text I don't remember its name may be Geeta there mentioned "Kans called Yemen king of Mleccha for help to fight against Krishna"
Sikh texts also refer to foreigner as mlechh??
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Thanks for the encouragement.
I have a question for third kind, those who deliberately kept out of varna system, what do we call them?
Mlrchha - because they are out of Varma, but then they can understand Aryavaach.
Or Arya- because they can technical conversant, but then they aren't part of varna.
Please shade some light. Thanks
They were at the bottom of the Varna hierarchy and hence were part of it. They weren't considered Arya but also not Mleccha. Example of this would be Chandalas.
@Amol Tripathi No
@@JayVardhanSingh chandalas were not at the bottom of varna system, they were excluded from varna system.
@@Aman-qr6wi Because in post vedic society as well Buddhist , jain society Meat eating by slaughtering animal was banned...And chandalas were mainly those who burnt dead bodies and used to eat flesh of animals
@@adwaitvedant3297 i'm not asking reason behind meat-eating habits.
Meat eating is natural found all across europe and china.
If you read manusmriti, you'll find that the chandalas were banned from having anything like wealth or cow or land. So, what will they eat?
Hi Sir, I wana know about Accounting system in ancient India, please do share some knowledge about this topic.
I don't know much about this subject yet. But will try to gather information about it and possibly will make a video on it also.
What does pajjeet mean?
Please make video on ajivikasa and ajanas
And extinction of Buddhism from India please🙏
Will surely do so in the Future. Thank you.
Even Kodavas(Living in Karnataka) were called Mlechas in Halegannada texts. Actually Kodava never followed vedic system ... Unfortunately it made a wrong prediction about Kodavas that they are from Kurdhi or place from Greek...
Genetic study of Kodava shows that they are indeed a bit different from other Dravidians but they're very simple to that of Nairs and Brahmins who're migrants from North.
I've seen that kodava have less AASI ancestry about 35%-40% like Brahmans and Nairs, Low Aryan ancestry less than 10% but very high amount of Iranian Neolithic farmer ancestry
I predict Kodavas are descant of Warriors of Of Sindh or Balochs as Kodava have very high genetic similarity to Baluchs
@@Theintelligentsian I think Kodavas are early migrants from early stages of Indus Valley Civilization, when it was most rich in Iranian Neolithic DNA
Explained so well and in so simple way,thanks
What by the way are Vedic [SACRIFICES]? Yagnya or 'sacrifice'?
Sacrifice of horse
Yagna
@@singhhimanshu0022 horse sacrifice dosent means killing a horse. the appointed horse is released out of a kingdom's border, wherever it goes with a letter on his back and those who stop it. it means they accept the challenge of the king, then where will be war for governance.
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that was very informative. the best part was that its simple, crisp and too the point.
please keep it like this, without unnecessary frills
and a suggestion/request if I may
can you do a video or series on वर्ण व्यवस्था
and another on dating of our शास्त्र
धन्यवाद
Thanks for the suggestion. These are great topics and I will surely do videos on them. Thank for the complement as well. I hope you will like other videos as well.
Do the Assamese and Sikkimese count as "mleccha"?
Nope
@@Nobody_247 How so?
@@AnimeArchaeologist It literally means “Outsider”, idk about Sikkim but Assamese is a direct descendant of Sanskrit, so they are Arya.
@@Nobody_247 Assam is a tricky one because of the arrival of the Tai people to Assam 800 years ago.
truly good ....
If people who don't speak the language of magadh are mlecchas, then all of south India and North East India are mlecchas
It is similar to barbarians term used by Romans.
Make an video on Kurukshetra war
6:37 Is this the reason Buddhist monks traveled only south and east of Bharat?
It could be a reason but this statement was made in early Buddhist text. During the Kushana period, various Buddhist missions were sent in Central Asia region.
Ancient 'n' word was 'm'. 😦
Mleccha means Meat eater or Meat eating tribals as per Vedas.
Accordingly, most of the Indians today are Mlecchas for laughing out loud 😂
Even Vedic people ate meat
What is the oldest or older use of Mleccha ? Vedic culture was centered in Punjab, who were the Mleccha groups at that early stage. There were native people of the Indus Valley whose material culture is not Vedic.
The Mlecchas of the Vedic texts are those who do not speak Sanskrit.
Ram was ajami
@@surajjkio4208 saboot do perseption nahi
New research tells us that the term "mlechha" is alternation of the word "meluha".
Meluha is a mesopotamian name of indus valley civilisation found on rock inscription of ancient mesopotamia.
It's possible that the aryans encountered the people of indus valley civilisation and called them mlechha which later developed into derogatory term in dharmashastras.
@@Aman-qr6wi source
It's been two days, I am reading shree kalki puran. And I got to know about this term today. As I was going through my watch later playlist, I realized that I'd saved this vdo a week before. 👀such an uncanny coincidence.
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Who were khas ? Make one on this plz
Barbara (बर्बर) is also name mentioned in the Mahābhārata (cf. II.29.15, III.48.19, VI.10.55, XII.200.40) and represents one of the many proper names used for people and places.
So if Mahabharata took place before Greek invasion of India around 1200 BCE or before that as contested by different scholars...We can clearly say that either it was not the first Greek invasion of India in 326 BCE ...And before that also India had contact with Greeks or barbaras were North West Indian Indus Periphery tribes or central Asian tribes who migrated to west
No, it simply means that some of the passages of Mahabharata was of later interpolation. It is generally accepted in the historical community Mahabharata as text took its final form during the Gupta period. This doesn't mean that Mahabharata happened during this period. No one claims that.
About the earliest reference of Greek encounter. It could be the case that the Greek employed by the Achaemenids may have interacted with the Indians. But what is important is that in the Later Vedic texts, there's no mention of Barbara. This tells us a lot.
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Who are Chandalas ??
They were the outcasts and they dealt with dead bodies. They were considered untouchables.
@@JayVardhanSingh
Is those chandales are today's untouchables ??
Untouchables was a broad category and the Chandalas were part of it. But there were other groups who were considered "untouchables".
@@shakta_ in early scriptures even in Bhagwat Gita word chandala used who eat dogs , many time Aghori are also called chandala cuz of their barbaric ritual
@@JayVardhanSingh it's nothing to with caste atleast at least before the islamic invasion
hi jay, i think the term barbaros was not greek. maybe it is of ancient indian origin because It was the name given to the grandson of Bhima in Mahabharat who was considered as an outsider due to his demonic lineage. Please reply.
I don't think so because there're reference to Yavanas as well. Most scholars agree that Mahabharata is a layered texts and some of the passages are later additions.
So these terms probably later added to the text.
Hi.. I belong from a small Dimasa tribe of Northeast, India. Dimasas/Kacharis are believed to have ruled a large portion of Northeast Indian territory and now it's highly endangered language. Historians traces our origin from Hidimdi, the consort of the great Bhima from Mahabharata. We still worship Hidimdi, the mother of Gatotkacha.. It's basically the goddess Kali that we worship as Amaai(mother) Hidimdi. We also worship Shiva as Madai(Ma- Big/supreme; daai(डाई)- god) Shibarai.
Surprisingly, the word "Mleccha" is similar to our Dimasa word "Mlaishé" which also means an outsider. Some Scholars identify us as the Mlecchas and some as golden looking Kiratas from Mahabharata.
Though our language falls under Sino-tibetan language tree, there are lot of similar words with Sanskrit and Hindi.
Eg.,
Haat (Market) - Hathai (हाठाइ)
Akasha(Sky) - Nokhashau(Nokha-morning; Bashau>shau- above);
Mukha(Mouth) - Bukhu/Khu (open/mouth)
Mukha(Face) - Mukhaang(Mu-face; khaang- jawline)
Gur(Molasses) - Gurudi (Guru- sugarcane; di- water/liquid/syrup)
Tar(purification) - Gathaar/Gthaar/thaar
Sthaan(place) - Hathaan/thaan( Ha-soil/land; thaan-place)
Sankhya(Number) - Shaain(count); shaainkho (count more)
and many more.
Nice video
Thank you.
South peninsular people have been called mlecchas by the Sanskrit poets of the north
Nope. For example Rajendra Chola 1 called himself Arya Putra (son of aryans)
Krishnadevaraya called himself Arya Shiromani (Crown jewel of aryans)
Really?
@@AtheistNationalistthe chola empire is 1200 years old and by then everyone had mixed in the subcontinent...
The time he's referring is of the late Vedic age(1100 -500 BC) when Aryavarta was limited to North-West India , during that time period those who lived outside of the Aryavarta and didn't subscribed themselves to the Brahmanical fold were considered as mleccha by the Aryans.
What about ther term Meluh used by medapotomia on harappans
There's this theory that Mleccha terms has connection with this term. But it is just a speculation and since we don't know about the IVC script and language it is hard to say what connection, if there's any between the two term.
Marmara and Sarsara is the phonetic sound produced when something is broken and if someone is walking upon dried leaves. These are called as onomatopoeia. Whereas Barabara has no relation with this. Barbara means uncivilized in nature. It's origin is in Sanskrit itself not in Greek.
Buddha never restricted any region or area.This reveals your bias against Buddhism.You need to get rid of one sided views regarding the Brahmanical literature.Dr C K Mankikar
Sir read Mlecchas In Early India: A Study In Attitudes Towards Outsiders Upto Ad 600 by Aloka Parasher Sen, to know the attitude of the Buddhist texts towards Mlecchas.
@@JayVardhanSingh sir, ignore these nav boudhs, they are brainless
@@JayVardhanSingh neo buddhists are triggered 🤣🤣🤣🤣
They don't know that the Buddhists followed Varna system like Hindus did. 😂😂
Were South East Asians considered Mleccha?
They were certainly Dharmic but I am not sure if they followed the Varna System.
The word 'mleca' has a different meaning in Indonesia (Javanese, and Sundanese). Mleca means foreigner. Cambodia (Kamboja), Malaya (Malaysia, Sumatra, Java, Kalimantan/Borneo), Saka, Java (Yavana) use this term for foreigners.
Regarding the kasta/varna system, it was removed during the Shiva-Buddhist period (after the Cholamandala invasion of the Sriwijaya kingdom which caused the city of Nalanda to collapse, and the center of Buddhism moved to Borobudur, Central Java, and the center of agama Siwa moved to Mount Semeru/Mahameru, East Java). Even so, the concept of raja resi/rishi/begawan is still preserved today. This concept has existed since the days of Hindu Mataram, the Islamic Mataram Sultanate (senapati ing alaga ngabdurrahman panatagama), to the present. Even the concept of panatagama (panata + agama, religious administrator) is still used today.
Bhre Cakrahutomo was prevented from becoming king of the Mangkunegaran because he was a Christian. Finally, he become king after converting to Islam. Most Indonesians (especially Sundanese and Javanese) think that agama Islam is a continuation of agama Siwa-Buddha (agama = religion in Bahasa Indonesia). If interested, you can read for yourself about Bhinneka Tunggal Ika Tan Hana Dharma Mangrwa, Ajisaka/Ajivaka (the concept of Hyang, Sunda Wiwitan, Kejawen), Manunggaling Kawula Gusti (Wahdatul Wujud) and its relationship with Advaita Vedanta. Even though we are mostly Muslim, this concept is still used today and the term 'kafir' is prohibited from being used by fellow Indonesians because we believe in the first principle of Pancasila, namely Belief in the One and Only God (Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa).
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These Purana were written during Muslim l period 17th century AD, the Rig Veda manuscript is regisetered in UNESCO by Pune Bandarkar Insitude to 1467, These Books are not old as you say, Do some research and dont just say things which dont have any proof like Yuga etc
Very well explained.
Glad you think so!
wrong barbara word is not taken from greeks
It means bauddh and jains are also different. They do not follow Varna system. Though in kaliyuga its impossible for most of them.
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I think mlecha means those who are not clean
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Good topic
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I am also mlechha one of khasa chettri tribe of Nepal ancestry from kumaon here the Varna system is 1) brahmins (upadhya) top class surname matches to plain brahmins 2)joishy brahmin (khatkela) do not have right to perform rituals also called as khas bahu. 3)Thakuri (chand,Shahi,malla,Singh. Pal Shah deuba). 4) chettri also called as khas in past (kaki,bist,negi,airee,bhandari,). 5) impure caste not allowed to touch water I)kami(bishwakarma,sunar,lohar,tamta) 2)Sarkis(bhul)3)dholis(koli,damai)
Yavanas? Since when and how did Muslims get called Yavanas?
I haven't talked about Yavanas here. But if you want to know about the description of muslims in Sanskrit sources you can listen to this episode of my podcast
ruclips.net/video/g2XXaDOZpsM/видео.html&ab_channel=HistoricallySpeaking
But every body is Hindu. There are no rules of becoming a Hindu
Maleccha who is fond of dirt or impurity mal + iksha = maleksha later maleccha
Every foreign custom is barbaric to another 😂,
to me it's Saudia, no offense 👼
Great information
thank you
Bitler is the embodiment of the term mleecha
Muslims*
@@dzec024 both
Mein janna chahta hu pls
machali ..word for fish...could be related to them
I don't think so.
Sir, there is a Mech/Mlech community in Assam, West Bengal, Bangladesh and Nepal and whatever you told in your video, their behavior is the same. They do not even follow the caste(varna) system and most of them still live in the jungles in hilly areas. According to the historians, their language has come from Tibet-Burmese or most of them came from Mongolia many years ago.
Yes we don't follow any caste system and we live in jungles as well as cities
Sir who were yunani..?
the term yunani comes from Ionian. The Persian called Greeks Yunani. In Indian text the term Yunani became Yavana. In modern usage, we use the Persian term Yunani.
Mlechcha not malecha
Yes
In Balmiki ramayan the term Berber has been used for uncivilized people .
Yes I thought the same ,he mentioned we borrowed this word from greeks
Mlecha simply means who dont follow vedic principles
Were Dravidians ever mentioned Mlecchas directly in literature?
I haven't come across any Ancient text text that describe Dravidian as Mlecchas.
@@JayVardhanSingh So can it be that the word "Mlecchas" was adopted from Proto Dravidians or Harrapan people same way as Romans adopted Greek word "Barbarians"? As it is not "Indo European" origin word.
No, I don't think that is the case. Frankly, we know very little about the Harappan people of their language to make such statement.
@@KiranSingh-zr8jr I think harappans were porto Dravidians and periyar was their priest king killed by aaryas but great ancient Dravidian warrior Karunanidhi fought back to capture the stolen land. It's clearly written in Rig-Veda that Stalin faught a great battle against Sudas.
@@dheera8889 lol Stop claiming everything
Dasyu, anarya?
Yes u r right. Mlechaa is Meluha name for India before aryans.
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Bhai translate to hindi pls
Primarily Africans
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Mlecchas , Vedas called for
Dravidians
Noo
@FinnTheHuman No, Mleccha was used for Iranic and Scythian tribes, Dasyu was used for Dravidian and Adivasis
Mleccha is used for people who do not follow indigenous Indian customs and culture. Dravidians follow Hindu customs and culture, that's why they are not mleccha. In India, non Hindus can be referred to as mlecchas.
@@thelivingdead1728 not for iranic Iranians were also Aryas and indians also accept med them as Aryas
Vedas didn't even mentioned Dravidians, vedas says those who is dirty, don't worship ishwar, don't follow any customs, and can't properly speak are mlechhas
mellecha means immigrants
Mellecha desh means foreign land
muslims aNd mlechchas , sounds similar
Hindus and lindus also seems familiar stop trash talking first
@@mohammadfazal6088 Mlechha spotted!
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Bhavish purana has defined "Melecha" or who are Melechs, who eats non-veg, have beards, and no moustaches, eat like a monsters/rakshasa, speech is bad etc. So is it defining Muslims as Melechas? or Muslims are Melichs? who came to India/bharat varsha/Arya vart and spoiled their peace and culture?
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Barbara (बर्बर) has a native Sanskrit etymology with its primary meaning being 'stammerer'/'someone with unclear speech', while 'outsider'/'foreigner' being a secondary or derived meaning due to the foreigners not being fluent in the local language. It is much more likely that reason the two word appear to be similar with similar meaning is that they Sanskrit and Greek have a common origin.
Very well explained 👍
Thank you very much!
There was a mleccha dynsaty in the northeast , ancient kamrupa with their capital in HARUPPESHWARA ( modern city of TEZPUR in Assam) , they also built the Kamakhya Temple one of the most prominent Shakti peeth in India.
IS THERE ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THEM ?
Can you share source of your claim?
@@surajrshetty Search it up, you will find, it doesn't take much effort or thought into searching wikipedia or any other general historical knowledge website, does it?
Bhagadutta of Ancient Assam who married his daughter Bhanumati to Durjyodhana has been mentioned in Mahabharata as the Mighty king of the the Mlechchas. He was the son of Narakasura ( who was the son of Earth and Varaha avatar of Lord Vishnu), who built the Maa Kamakhya temple.
This is a wrong concept. In North-east it was the Dynasty of Kirata (tribes - E.g. Kasari), Asura. Not Mleccha.
If I remember correctly my ancestors in Uttarakhand were also called mleccha for not following all vedic practices. They were brought again under the fold of Vedic Arya's once Rajputs from plains started coming to the state.
khasas?
@@erenyeager7372 yes.
I am also khas from Nepal..
We are arya..
No it's not
How can people of Himalayas be called as Mllech.
My ancestors were from Garhwal and migrated to Deccan during Maratha Empire for giving service to Chatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj.
We were head of 52 Forts.
We were called Great Kshatriyas by Maharaj.
@@rishtemeintohhumtumharebaa4181 further back then that. I know of the moniker " veer badhu ki des baavan gadhu ku des". The 52 forts were united by the first Katyuri King as far as memory serves me. But what I'm talking about is from Vedic age ? Most probably around 5k-3k years ago.
Among bengalis during the pre-independence time, when someone went to the western world especially UK for studies or job were considered mleccha, because they lived in mleccha desh. They were not allowed to enter into their home unless they go to river Ganga, do some religious rituals, and take some dips in the holy water to cleanse themselves.
Why?
3 main reasons. Firstly they lived with people who didn't follow vedic practices.
Secondly among bengali people it was compulsory not just to wash but also take a bath after pooping(always with soap), whereas people of western world not even wash, they just wipe.
Thirdly they lived with people who ate the sacred animal prohibited to eat among Hindus.
Though this is a thing of the past, except the second point which is still considerable.
1:08 बर्बर was borrowed from Greeks or
was it the Greeks who took this word from Sanskrit ?
The term Barbara is not present in the Vedic texts. It is found in text which were composed during the 2nd century AD and as you know this was after the Greek interlude. That's why we can safely say that it was borrowed from the Greek term barbaros.
@@JayVardhanSingh thank you for replying Jay.
Please take a look at the श्लोक 1 54 23 of वाल्मीकि रामायण mentioned below
ततोऽस्त्राणि महातेजा विश्वामित्रो मुमोच ह |
तैस्तैर्यवनकांभोजा बर्बराश्चाकुलीकृताः ||
Then that great-resplendent Vishvamitra indeed released his missiles, by which Yavana-s, Kaambhoja-s, and the Barbara-s, are rendered helter-skelter." Thus Sage Shataananda continued his narration of Vishvamitra.
source: valmikiramayan pcriot com
(replace spaces with dot)
It clearly mentions the word बर्बर and on the stated source it says
"the word 'Barbara' might have been the ancestor word of the present day 'Barbarian.'"
Interesting. As you are well aware, the Mahabharata and the Ramayana took its final form during the Gupta period and the fact that Yavanas are mentioned in the shloka suggest that this shloka is a later interpolation.
Thank you for taking the time to research this.
Indo European word
Greeks wer belonging to Ionian sea hence were called yavan ,even in old testament Torah .alexander was called yavan by the Indians .muslims alone were called mlecchas because they sold captured ladies called londis in market from Mohammad time .this is low practice even now and always ! Verbal meanings do not matter .
Hmm... Maybe mleccha is Indonesian... mleccha means foreigners... Mleccha = Melaka = Malacca... This name was immortalized as the name of the strait that separates Sumatra/Swarnadwipa from Malaya/Malaysia...
We, Indonesian people also do not use bahasa Sansekerta today and prefer to use bahasa Malay/Malaya as a unifying language which was later refined into bahasa Indonesia...
According to the Purwacarita story from Aji Saka/Ajiwaka/Ajivaka, our unifying figure who comes from the Bumi Majeti/Kali Serayu river, and introduced aksara Jawa, agama tirta, and Saka calendar, Indonesian people in the past took part in the Bharatayuda war...
In Purwacarita, the center of the Archipelago/Nusantara/Dwipantara/Saptadwipa/Sunda Islands/Indonesia today is Mount Semeru/Mahameru in East Java...
Saka-Yavana = Sundanese-Javanese/Sunda-Jawa including the Daha-Kediri people from East Java... Malaya-Kamboja-Champa = Malay/Melayu...
The border between Jambudwipa (India) and the Sunda Islands (Jawadwipa/Sakadwipa/Java, Barunadwipa/Borneo, Swarnadwipa/Sumatra, etc) is the Malacca Strait...
Perhaps, the mleccha people in your scriptures are the people of Southeast Asia today...
Btw, muslims in Indonesia, especially the island of Java, still carry out the nyadran/sradha/upacara ziarah kubur, using the Meru/Mahameru symbol during upacara slametan/syukuran/thanksgiving, upawasa/puasa/fasting/shaum, upacara ruwatan, and use the Saka calendar (Javanese Mataram/Penanggalan Jawa), and aksara Jawa...
I don't know, maybe the word mleccha is used in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism for people who follow the teachings of Aji Saka/Ajiwaka/Ajivaka such as muslims on the island of Java, agama Sunda Wiwitan, Kasumedangan, Kejawen, Kapitayan, etc...
Addition:
Now, Aji Saka/Ajiwaka/Ajivaka is considered a Muslim by Sundanese and Javanese people and therefore the center of agama tirta in the past was successfully moved peacefully from Mount Semeru/Mahameru in East Java to Mecca by Sheikh Subakir... Please read the story about Syekh Subakir and Sabdo Palon/Sanghyang Ismaya/Semar...
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Our moms call us malechha when we don't bath
everyone's mother does
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Mere yaha bhi Aisa hi nahi jab mai Chhota tha aur nahata nahi tha to mummy mujhe Mlechha aur Meilaha bolti thi.
This is certainly one of the best Indian history channel i have found
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@Harsh Agarwal. What is Hindu Nationalist ?
@Harsh Agarwal. why did he do so?
@Harsh Agarwal. Modi is Also doing the same thing. He is also making Mughal Defame. He is manupliting history.
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The Arabs had a similar language based way of separating themselves from foreigners. They used to call outsiders Ajam which means: mute, silent, unable to speak, non-fluent, incomprehensible.
That is to say that the only ones who could truly speak were Arabs and rest of the people spoke insignificant languages which compared to their language was like being silent.
Nicely explain
Where are these scriptures? Can they be available for people to read? I thought Hindu had oral traditions and nothing was written down till Gupta period...
Yes you're right that most of the scriptures were written during the Gupta period. But they existed before the gupta period. Most of the scriptures mentioned in this video were composed orally and passed down from one generation to another. If you want to read the Dharmashastra text, I would recommend you to read History of Dharmashastra by P.V Kane.
I hope it answers your question.
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I konw ardh magadhi (chhattisgarhi )
Very well explained. Dhanyāsmi 🙏🏼
Mleccha is an outsider in LV text
Later,
Dharmasutras described mlecchas or milakha like greeks
Arya vaacha is Sanskrit
Mlecchas do not follow varna
Mlecchas are mentioned in Maharashtra and Ramayana
Mlechcha means any person other than the thraivarnikas (Brahmin, Kshathriya, vaishyas) according to them
I don't agree with you that Vedas were written in 6th BC
Do u know exactly that Barbara is borrowed from Greek?
Yes, because the term "Barabara" doesn't appear in the Vedic texts. It appears in Dharmashastra texts which were composed around 1st century AD. This was the period during which there was a great interaction between the Greeks and Indians as most of the North West was under Greek rule. And during this period there were various greeks terms that one can find in Indian texts.
I have made videos on the Indo-Greek, you can watch that for more information.
Thank you.
@@JayVardhanSingh Sure! I'll watch them!
Thank you.
@@JayVardhanSingh would you please let me know which vedic and dharmashasrta texts are you referring? and how do you know that they are composed around 1st century A. D.? Would you please give some reference?
No the Vedic Texts were not composed around 1st century AD. I was talking about the other texts.
Read Mlecchas in Early India by Aloka Parasher and about the Dharmashastra I was particularly referring to the Manusmriti which was composed around 1 st century Ad. For Reference read Manu's Code of Law by Patrick Olivelle.
Barbarika is his name to be exact. We did not borrow from the west, the west borrowed and stole from Bharata. Let’s be factual here please and don’t fall into the trap of attributing stuff to the west
According to the present day DNA tests, the so-called ancient Europeans did have paternal DNA from Bharat where they did practice the ancient Vedic way of life, much before the word GREECE came to life. And as we know that Sanskrit is an old language which still exists, the ancient Europeans did carry the language with them outside of Bharat. DNAs don't lie. So, my friend, I respectfully disagree when you mention the word BARBARA had been borrowed from the Greek word BARBAROS. It was the other way around. In fact, the whole Aryan invasion theory is a hoax instead, there was an out of Bharat migration that happened. Facts are facts.
Aap India ki history bata rahe ho Indians ko bata rahe ho but aap indian language ka use to karo kaafi log aapki video se seekhenge
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Chandal also malechha
That's an insult here in Karnataka
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I think mellecha is derived or corrupted form of Melluha. Which i think was the original name of Indus valley civilization. The word Malva may also be derived from Melluha
No mal means shit in Sanskrit
@@RajenderSingh-ub4gg mal? Means item
Lol no.
Some say Bengal was melchas. Even though Bengal was part of karna's kingdom