I'm at the point where when I am confronted with a new photography purchase, I think to myself, "yeah, but how many 5D classics can I buy with that?". Great video!
6D's, 5D Mark 2's, Nikon d600/610.. all stupid value 20mp cameras. 5D classic is certainly fun and it's sharp for 12mp and good glass. I've done bird photography with the 5D, and it's slow, but it works. No cropping though. No auto ISO. I got an Eos RP to replace my 6D that had the screen die on me, and it's very nice. Still have a 5D2 as a backup camera and EDC in the backpack since it's tougher and worth less.@@gary0078
Excellent points Skyler. Would have loved to have seen the >1 hour version! Please don’t think your videos are too long, unless of course your RUclips metrics tell you differently. I always thoroughly enjoy your long talks, it’s relaxing, interesting - and just like listening to an old friend. Take care.
I'd like to make some comments about this excellent video: I'm a photographer from the film era. With 12 years old (I'm 54 now) I was already developing my own pictures in our darkroom, thanks to my father, who teached me the basics of this wonderful form of art. I've been a professional wedding and events photographer as a second job (I'm a chemist) for about 15 years, to get money to buy mainly the lenses that I couldn't afford with my salary. I started working with film until I could buy a used 5D body in 2008. My experience with this camera was mind blowing from the start. I felt very comfortable using the 5D and I couldn't believe my eyes when I downloaded the pictures that this camera produces. Having a screen to check some particular pictures with some focusing or exposure challenges was a huge advantage too. One night, working in an event, there was another photographer using a Nikon D700 right by my side. I can say that Nikon made a fantastic camera without the flaws of the 5D, concerning processing speed and autofocus in low light. Those were my main critics to the 5D. The 700D is somehow a WORKHORSE, made to be RELIABLE t the professional photographer. In some situations, the 5D was simply not reliable enough. For example, I remember being struggling to nail the focus in low light and not losing an image that I had one second to take. The 5D loves the natural light and somehow hates the darkness. In the day, you must pay special attention to the exposure to avoid "burning" the highlights. However, in high dynamic range images you will have to decide if you get a white sky or black shadows, because the underexposure recovery is also impossible in some situations, because you'll get some banding problems when you try to recover some underexposed areas. All those problems dissapeared when I bought a second hand 6D body. OMG the central point focuses on things that I can´t see!!! The processing speed is great and the dynamic range es better than the 5D. The image quality is very good, until you go out and make a side by side comparison with the 5D. The 5D is magic and It l always be my first choice of camera, unless I have to work in very specific environments and situations.
A huge number of fabulous photos have been shot on the 5D over the years. Published everywhere in all types of media, and nobody complained back then, on the contrary, many professionals on all levels praised the ability of the 5D. And a 5D + good glass can still generate wonders in the right hands, this camera has not suddenly deteriorated.
I'm so glad that videos like yours are on youtube and popular. Let's educate as many people as possible that the cameras are just tools and we should learn how to use them first and appreciate all of them. Me personally, I'm still using my 5D classic, which I bought 10 years ago. I also own modern DSLR's and mirrorless. I also started using FUJIFILM GFX 100s, which is just an insane camera, can't even begin to explain you why, but my point is.. I happily choose the 5d or 6d classic over the modern cameras in various situations, depends on my mood and on the task at hand. Sometimes I might need perfect video autofocus, then a modern full-frame mirrorless is perfect for that. Get yourself a decent lens or lenses you like and learn how to use the camera you own. Cheers for the great content!
My first DSLR was an old 5d classic. Sold it for a 5d mkiii. Sold that for a 5dsr for product photography and artwork documentation. Ive just bought and am excitedly waiting for the arrival of my new 5d classic for my own personal photography again. Really great video! I appreciate your format and professionalism.
I never tried the 5Dsr but was always very curious about it. I am still hoping to get ahold of one at some point. Congrats on the purchase of another 5D classic!
Thank you for the video. I would listen to it even it's a 1h and something. I'm at work and I use one earphone while I work I prefer listening to something interesting like your show. You can post it as extended version. Thank you! I loving the videos topic..I got 5d d700 1d classic and modern mirrorless and I still love the old gear because it's for me for fun. The mirrorless for me is just a tool to get the job done easy to and fast... Please post the the long video. We will definitely want to watch it 🙏 Cheers! 🙋♂️
I sometimes worry that people will think that I hate new cameras or gear (which isn't true). I have owned many modern cameras, many mirrorless cameras as well. The newest mirrorless stuff absolutely makes it easier to get the photo you are trying to get. The video capabilities are amazing, too. It just bothers me when people suddenly "forget" how great or how capable a camera is, simply because it's no longer current.
Good points! Too many videos that just repeat the same things and the screen is fine and won't show you the amazing colours and feel you get from the files anyway I love my 5d classic and take it out shooting when I just want to chill and enjoy photography 😁 Good video mate! Cheers
Totally agree with you on the screen. The only people who complain are gear spec obsessed. I always check the histogram no matter which cam anyway, and when I show models and clients shots off the back of the 5Dc they love it. If anything they look better than when they are imported 😆
Man, just be yourself, that's what I like the most about your videos. Do the videos as slong as you feel comfortable. I enjoy watching them. Your set of mind is so unbiased and that's exactly what adds value to the content of your videos to me, along with the clear and at the point language. English is my second language and it is a pleasure to learn from you by just listening to your videos. I own a few old digital cameras and a 5d classic - they all have their own personality. Whoever mentions that the screen isn't good enough, or the megapixels, or the stabilisation- I would simply say that they've never ever used a film camera withaut a screen, withaut any electronics, just pure mechanics. For me any digital camera is a blessing :) I was longing for one for so many years before I could finally manage to afford one and the price of it was more than my mothly sellary- Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ7. I took thousands of photos and the camera is still with me, still like new, and some of the pictures I took with it are still unmatched :)
Hello there! I'm sending you my short version of the longer story: I am 42years old, Bulgarian, graduated master of fine arts. Started with photography in order to complement my art-painting-skills. Since Bulgaria (according to my rough estimations) is about 20 years behind Europe, or a generation behind, until my graduation in 2006 I had no digital camera, no computer, no internet as the majority of Bulgarians at that time. So, I was using my dad's film camera which he brought from Russia. Many Bulgarians didn't even had a film camera. In order to take pictures with that camera I had to have a diary in which to write down the settings of each shot and reffer to that diary after I had precessed the shots. First of all I could not afford the films, so I had to save for that, then to save for processing the films, and then to save for processing the images-only to find out that I've rarely had my settings right. I was collecting brochures of the first digital cameras advertised and their fantastic prices for a 1.2mpx, or 2.2mpx, 3.2mpx sensors...I graduated teacher of fine arts with a starting mothly sellary of about 175 euros. I found a job as a sells assistant for 300 euros a month, and managed to buy my first digital camera Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ7 in 2007 for the price of 325 euros. I was shooting with that camera until 2012or 2013, then I've bought a Canon SX220 HS which I will never get rid of-really love it. My biggest investment is Sony a6300 which I bought in 2018, or 2019-rarely use it because is too expensive to carry around. However, for the last 2,3 years I came across many affordable second hand cameras and lenses to experiment with and learn with. Thinks have drastically changed in Bulgaria, now many avid photographers manage to afford top notch cameras and lenses ( I am still not amongs them and my needs are complitely satisfied with what I already have), everybody has internet, smart phone, computer, tablet even those who have no need for that :). 5D Classic is more than sofficient for my needs. And this is my message to all the future photographers: Defain your needs first, before investing in any gear!
I don't feel different than anybody else. My guess is that, probably, anybody on my age has no less interesting stories to tell. However, a cup of coffee will be my pleasure :)@@SkylerKing
The Canon 5D is a great camera and an affordable option for those of us who can't afford to buy the latest cameras every three years or so. The camera is a tool and the skill is knowing how to use it to get the image you envisioned when you spotted the composition. Dynamic range is just one element of it. Great video, Skyler.
Excellent analysis as always! I would love to see the 1 hour version, in fact I really find the longer videos useful and very enterntaining. Keep posting interesting views about photography and specially how to take the most out of this legendary camera. Thank you!
*mic drop* Man, thanks for making this. I’ve been really enjoying my 5D classic a lot the last week, and even picked up a small 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5, and made this my everyday carry kit. Yeah the screen isn’t as awesome as my R6II, but you’re totally right, it’s just to do a quick check on my focus and if I’m clipping. I’m kinda used to this already because I’ve been carrying an old point and shoot digicam for the last couple years, and that screen is so much worse. But with all these old cameras, I’m constantly blown away by how good the photos are. The 5D is so freaking clean with high ISO, and I’ve definitely noticed how it’s 100 is a much brighter 100 than my R6II, so the 3200 max ISO isn’t even as bad as I thought it would be. The dynamic range and low light performance is still there, and I’ve even considered trying it for a professional gig because I think it’s very capable even for today.
It’s just as capable today as it ever was 😉 I’m happy to hear you’re enjoying the 5D classic. Every time I start to wonder if it’s really that good, I take some photos and am immediately reminded of why it’s got such a loyal following. It’s awesome.
Very good and informative video. I just bouht my first 5D classic in mint condition. I also has two 6D. One with only 1k shutter. My conclusion so far is that i often use the 6D because of its greater ISO performance. Sometimes i get "that shot" with the 5D and it is a greater feeling but i think i need to learn how to use it a bit more. The 6D often does the job easier i believe. Edit: When shooting B/W with the 5D classic i boost the ISO to 800. Gets that wonderful analogue feeling :)
6D is so underrated. iv been saying this for years. it's a low light monster and the colours that come off that body especially during post processing is something special and ever so resposive.
I've had my 5d classic for about a week or so, and shot a family event with it over the weekend. I completely agree with your points here. The screen is more than adequate and much better than I was expecting after watching numerous videos on this camera. Even checking focus is effective. The photos I get from it really are stunning, even pushed to 3200 iso. I can understand how this camera really changed the game in 2005. Even shooting the same shot with the same lens on a Eos R and the 5d classic you would be hard pressed to find flaws. 12.8mp is more than adequate. I'm loving shooting this camera, and I hope it can continue to shoot for a long while yet.
Why I use the 5DC screen: Press the play button, use the + icon to zoom in to check if my pic is in focus and not blurred and that is all, that's it. I couldn't care less if the photos look washed out or anything else or if they look way brighter on the screen or not.
Your comparison between photographers using slower film cameras and prime lenses getting some of the most iconic photos in history to people complaining about dynamic range and “slower” frame rates of modern cameras was dead on. It reminded me of architects 100 years ago building some of the most beautiful and iconic buildings using blueprints and older equipment vs modern architects with CAD programs and powerful computers. It’s not the equipment, it’s the ability of the person using it.
That's a good example. All the modern bells and whistles make the idea of "photography" more approachable to the masses, and they are definitely useful and beneficial, but at the end of the day you either have the eye for it or you don't.
Totally agree. There are architectural designs in the city I live where I notice the design comes not from the mind of the architect, but from the modeling tools of the software. In my opinion it looks a bit artificial, like common despite having beams and slopes flying in different colors.
I'm totally with you on this! I don't use the Screen for anything other than setting up the camera, or checking the Histogramm at the start of the session. I have no problems getting the images that I want, yes, the camera has it's limitations, but you know that when you buy it. I enjoy using it because it makes me think through the process of 'image making'. I've also learnt to 'embrace the grain'.
Always stoked to see more 5D content in 2024. My new favorite camera I've acquired is a Nikon DF but I still got my 5D for backup and love shooting it with my 40mm. I did think it was sort of a moot point comparing medium format (essentially studio cameras where you work with controlled lighting) to the 5D but know you mentioned others like Sony, etc and their sensor "tuning" differences. I shoot film so I haven't thought twice about the DR advantages or disadvantages of the 5D. You are more limited in post but not by a lot if you exposed close to correctly. Same thing with the screen; it's good enough so who cares and I have one of the earlier model ones which are supposed to be worse. If it looks "sharp enough" on that LCD; it's likely sharp enough or better in lightroom lol
Yeah, I should have made it a point to include more information about film (like the dynamic range and greater exposure latitude coming from negative film, while slide film was limited in those areas but offered much more resolution), how the reason why I chose to compare the 5D classic to medium format studio cameras, specifically, was simply to highlight that specs on paper aren't the whole story (for example, on paper, those cameras are newer, more expensive, have larger sensors, more dynamic range at base ISO, etc. - but in the real world, they simply aren't meant to be used in the same way as a typical DSLR... they are for a completely different purpose). I'm glad that you got what I meant, though.
Thanks so much for this video….I’m shooting a Nikon D3, D300, D300s, D200….love em, and I absolutely prefer the “look” of my images with the DSLRs in the 10mp-16mp, from the mid to late 2000’s…I have GAS, that’s why I’m watching 😅
That's true, the concept of dynamic range isn't as straightforward, but it is fascinating. Basically, the output image depends on so many variables, and there is no linear correlation between artistic expression and dynamic range 😂. Unfortunately for some, chasing perfect gear takes away from chasing self-expression in a way, but not completely :) Embrace imperfection in everything.
The reason I just bought one is because it gives me what non of the newest cameras can’t. I don’t even check the screen but the exposure meter. It gives me the closest feeling to film. I shoot weddings with the r6, Z6ii and A7iv. I also own a Fuji xt3, Olympus m5iii and some others. The 5D classic is unique! Those haters should take more time shooting and practicing the art. I’m tired of those gear RUclipsrs that only shoot RUclips videos. Great vid!
Yep. I think modern cameras are amazing and have nothing against them. I have owned many mirrorless cameras. They are awesome, but they make no difference in the quality of the photos I get. Though, they are much more forgiving when I make a mistake...lol
Great video! About dynamic range.... (my personal point of view) What does a super great dynamic range bring to me when I use the image just for shwing on the internet with 072 DPI? My 2015 Imac 27" has a 5K screen, but still most things I watch are either 4 k or even much less with perhaps 144 dpi.... so there goes your dynamic range. Dynamic range only is important when printing and even then one will have to do the right exportation from LRC because all of it wil be lost in the wrong choice of export settings. I work with this camera since 2007 when I first bought it. It produces lovely images and the dynamic range is good enough to do some fine art printing. So you are right, not only about the lcd screen size etc, but surely on the dynamic range issue!
bravo Sir 🙂 so many "reviewers" (RUclipsrs really) don't review a camera but just regurgitate what Tony Norhrup or similar has told them because to do any different marks you out as a wrong 'un who clearly has no idea!! I've been told so many times that my camera (a Fujifilm) can't do this or can't do that, that I wonder how can I actually get a picture with it!!
I always shoot in raw regardless I have no problems with the jpeg preview from the 5d screen. I just set my image preview profile to maximum sharpness and -1 contrast. Screen always set to full brightness. With regards to dynamic range iv realised the importance of having a good ND/CPL filter on hand and not always shooting wide open.
You are absolutely right. LCD has very limited role in photography nothing to do much other than setting up/accessing menus. The Dynamic range and ISO performance of latest cameras goes down when the ISO is cracked up. I can compare my 5D Classic and D700's performance with latest gears. I believe that if cameras like Canon 5D and Nikon D2X could produce stunning images back in 2005. Why can't they now? If someone cannot take great photos with these cameras, this is user's fault, not the camera. :)
The 5d classic is a great camera, bought one upon release. Post process HDR, amazing images and all these newer high pixel sensors are only good for intense cropping which takes away the entire learning curve of what great photography really is ...
Hello from Spain. Thank you for your fantastic videos. I had a 5d classic that i buyed new in 2009. In 2019 I change the 5d to a 6d (mark I, not mark II) and the 6d is the camera that i use since. I would like to suggest that you make a comparison like the one you have done in this video, but referring to comparing the 5d with the 6d. The 6d improves many aspects of the original 5d, but I would like to know your opinion on this, comparing one camera with another. Thank you very much.
I have made a few videos comparing the 6D to the 5D Classic, in the past. In my 5D review, I compare it to the 6D. In my 6D review, I compare it to the 5D. I also have videos where I compare the image rendering (similarities and differences). In my opinion, the 6D is a fantastic camera and I will likely keep mine forever. The low light performance, dynamic range, and color rendition (even at higher ISO) is phenomenal.
@@SkylerKing Can you say to me, with its the Dynamic Range of the 6d in PDR (iso 100 and iso 800)? Id like to compare it with the canon 5d, that its iso 100 - 8.33 pdr and iso 800 - 7,56 pdr. Thanks for your job.
The base ISO that the sensor is tuned for is different on each camera. For the 5D, the base ISO is 100. For the 6D, the base ISO is 160 (even though you can set it lower, the sensor is tuned for maximum performance at ISO 160). So, it is hard to make a direct comparison, but if you go by base ISO vs number of stops the ISO has been boosted, it would look like this; Canon 5D - ISO 100 = 8.33PDR, ISO 200 = 8.26PDR, ISO 400 = 7.99PDR, ISO 800 = 7.56PDR, ISO 1600 = 6.73PDR. Canon 6D - ISO 160 = 9.52PDR, ISO 320 = 9.16PDR, ISO 640 = 8.62PDR, ISO 1280 = 8.09PDR, ISO 2560 = 7.21PDR
I used a Canon 5D for a while back (1-2 years) when it was first released. It was one of my first cameras. I never liked the ergonomics of the 5D-how camera settings was displayed in the viewfinder and button layout of the camera. I really liked that Canon had a 50mm 1.2 L lens- and the 5D took really great pictures with that lens. I especially remember the color and bokeh of the 5D was really great with that lens. But in the end, due to the 5D ergonomics-and if memory serves the 5D's low-light performance (I remember it not meeting my expectations)-I gave it to an employee of mine and switched to Nikon. I purchased the D700 and never looked back since. No comparison ergonomic-wise between the two in my opinion-D700 blowed the 5D out of the water. The D700 shots also had a different look than the 5D shots. Kind of hard to explain; never really figured out what it was, but the D700 shots (to me) in general (all things being equal) just looked...more real(?) than the 5D. Better than the 5D? Not sure how to describe it but I liked the D700 better than the 5D back then.
I got my 5D a couple of weeks ago. MPB neglected to mention that its light meter was completely screwy, so I've been using 'sunny 16' and the awfulterribleworstscreenever to get my exposure. And using the screen less as I get a bit more confident. Having a ball, though I'm not sure I've taken any great shots yet.
Great shots don't come often. But we keep shooting in the meantime. Congrats on the 5D, though it's too bad about the light meter (I have actually never heard of one failing on a 5D).
That's something I've noticed, too. It seems like everyone who makes a video about the 5D Classic feels like they have to complain about the bad screen. I've never shot with the 5D Classic (that might change this summer) but I have a Sony T-100. The screen is bad. It doesn't accurately show what a picture looks like, but I like the camera because it's a pocket-sized and is easy to hike with. Having shot with the camera for a few years, I know I can trust it. The screen may suck, but when I get home and look at my pictures on the computer they're fine. I suspect it would be a similar situation with the 5D Classic. Once you trust it, you'll know not to care what images look like on the screen.
Pretty much, yeah. It's half "why does it matter how the photo looks on the screen if it looks good when you print it?" and half "the screen, while not perfectly accurate, isn't that far off and isn't what I would call bad"
I’m new to the Canon DLSR experience. I’ve always been a mirrorless shooter really and always assumed a DSLR was not for me. After seeing a lot of RUclipsrs extolling the virtues of the older systems like the 5Dc, I decided to take the plunge. Personally I was suffering from cameras-operating-like-computers fatigue. What I love about the 5Dc is it sits right on the cusp of transition from film to digital cameras. I love the fact that the camera offers a real film shooters experience with the convenience of digital. The dynamic range is excellent, but to really get the most out of the RAW files, good exposure is key. Much like the Leica M9, the older raw files benefit from correct exposure… the raw files aren’t quite as robust as newer systems. This is we’re people go wrong I think. If you’re the type of shooter who likes to correct in post, maybe excessively so, these older systems are not for you. I adore the 5Dc, it’s a breath of fresh air in a sea on cut and paste specs on cameras loaded with bloat ware you don’t really need.
You make a point that I tell folks at my photo club. that some of the greatest images in history were taken on this camera, and that great cameras don't stop being great, just because something technically better comes along. I had a 2.1Mp Fuji "Snap Camera". I have some nice snaps from it but it was never destined to be a GREAT camera. I paid £350 (UK) for that in 2001 and £50 for 256Mb CF card !!!! This week I just bought another 5D "classic" for £200 (23 years later!!) and I'll be using a 32Gb card I have lying around, in a CF adapter. To think I have a legendary GREAT camera for the price of a good evening out. It's just incredible to me. The 5D Mk2 is about £300. I bought a 6D for £400. All three cameras for the price of the latest phone. Come on people ... wake up to the opportunities out there. These three cameras have just about the best colour-science known to man. Everything looks beautiful on them, in slightly different ways. (FYI. The 6D is the most underrated camera in history). Agreed on the screen. The only REAL use of a modern screen is as a touch-screen. No professional photographer ever trusted a screen. That's what a Histogram is for.
I bought a T6i and was not happy. I am old school. So I went back and go the 5D designed to bring us film shooters over to digital. I am enjoying the Raw off this cam. Don't really need to adjust . Modern cams I guess it is normal for post manipulation?? Great dig cam for an old film shooter:)
Finally bought a 5d classic a couple of months ago. I try to see things in a logical way and to me in my opinion allot of people are judging this almost 20 years old camera by modern day standards.
I agree. At the end of the day, it's a full frame camera with an EF lens mount that has legendary color rendition, and it can be purchased for less than $200 pretty often. Pretty hard to complain about that combination.
How about durability? Here near my home a guy sells a 5D for the cheap but it have a lot of shutter actuations, original shutter. The camera is $80usd but it have 120.000 shutter actuations. The camera seems like a slightly beaten camera, some small scratches and normal wear, at least in photos the camera look ok for the age. The vendor say it works without any problem. He includes a 50mm 1.8 (no STM, the old version) and a 16gb CF card. Is it a concern to have 120.000 shots?
If it functions normally and it comes with a prime lens and a CF card for a combined total of $80, then I would care if it had 300,000 shutter actuations. There is no way to predict how long the shutter will last. Every once in a while, a shutter dies prematurely and while under warranty. Other times, the original shutter will go beyond 1,000,000 shutter actuations. 120,000 isn't too crazy and if it works, it works.
Whenever I hear people complain about dynamic range, lens, screen in modern cameras I immediately tune out. Almost without fail, specs complainers take criminally bad photos, good remedy for this is shooting film.
@@markrigg6623 Find me one spec obsessed photographer that actually takes good photos. You have been duped, it's mostly nonsense for tech junkies and influencers...
Seems to me one of primary reasons folks enjoy older cameras is because of the simplicity, I enjoy very much the Sony cameras I have but if you don't take the time to understand the complexity like any computer they can be frustrating
I agree. New cameras are amazing and I am very happy (and impressed) when I use them. They absolutely make life easier and offer a lot of benefits. I think it's easy to get spoiled, though, and forget that even though the older stuff didn't have all the bells and whistles (and you'd have to work a bit harder), it was still able to create great photos, which "should" be the priority.
Hi, I took some time for this, as your videos were quite long and touched on several topics, which deserves more words than the usual response. I have to see though where to post it. As I found the videos about the 5d, 6d and 3ds very interesting. To start off, I think photography is one of the domains where people, are guilty of some cardinal sins. The most important one being, not mastering the tool. You could say that the tool does not matter, but that is more an edge case, than the norm. In general a good tool should fit your needs. A person going frequently from one tool to another, is a master in finding tools, to solve a non existing problem. ( and wishfully thinking that only a new tool can fix). In photography we have come to a point where the excellence of features, have become the norm; it’s being pushed by companies, and professionals as ‘the’ only output worthy of creation or assessment. I will try to point out something that is missing in the conversation, when we talk about tools, as a Segway to your videos. I think if we keep using older tools we need to master skills. Some people say that automation makes life easier, but to me this is just a way to look for options to hide flaws, or avoid to learn a skill. A skill is important, something that you can pass on to the next generation, as we see with each generation we forget how to create or do things, ( too much)automation introduces dependency, and inertia. We don’t even use 100% of our word processor, which we pay at full license, but no one bats an eye to improve their writing; even worse we use ChatGTP. My point is not to turn off features, but make sure we learn using the tool between 90 to 100%. With dependency on features we tend to look where they fail, while in essence the only thing needed is to better our skills, and work within the limits of the tool. Alas we cannot request companies to tailor our tools to us personally ( at least not with cameras), but some come very close to what we might need. I think the 5d, 6d, and d3 are some of the examples where, as you mentioned, companies went all out and added enough quality and features, anyone could have wanted in a camera. We used to have a simple camera with shutter speeds maxing out at 1/2000th ( perhaps a little more), a manual lens ( or three) which lasted a lifetime with some up-keep; we could choose to be skillful, or skill-less just happily snap around based on the type of film. All we needed was a good light meter, and perhaps an extra metering mode, but even that was not mandatory; if you knew how to shoot from daylight to dawn with a fixed ISO, and hand hold your camera to around 1/15 or less, you were always good to go. The extra skills needed became apparent when shooting slide film, It was noticed for it’s quality even at less dynamic range. I think we should treat these cameras the same, although they are digital; we still need to be able to apply these skills, I do not wish of a tool which renders everything for us, without batting an eye.
The 5D is a fine photography tool. The screen is fine, put the preview showing the brightness histogram, good photographers know how to read a histogram. Photography 101. People that negatively talk about its dynamic range (so what) don't understand how to use the tool. The tool has an excellent bracketing tool in the custom functions. Good photographers know that you have to bracket certain scenes to capture your vision properly, photography 101. People also complain about the outer auto focus points suck. Well, not on all lenses. A good photographer will pre-check his lenses and see if the lens will perform on the various focus points consistently and If the lens struggles, just use the center point and recompose. Photography 101. The best thing about this 5D tool is its simplicity. The camera doesn't get in the way and allows you to display your creative skill.
the screen for mine canon 5dc is good, so i was thinking the same thing, than i realize mine is the second version, the first edition got a bad screen and also problem with a mirror.
I own an old version that had the mirror fixed by the previous owner, and a newer "version". I don't see any real difference between the two screens, other than a very slight yellow tint on the newer one. I can't say for sure since my newer 5D has the first digits of the serial number worn off, but it has small design differences and no mirror fix, so most probably correct. Open to hear different info though
Hi there, did you figure out how to change apperture while taking a video in 5d mark 2? you said while ago that its inpossible, but i can do it in miy 5dm2
I haven't had a 5D2 for awhile, so i haven't had a chance to mess with it. Seems to be a debated topic, though. Some people say they can, while most say they can't. Maybe it is a firmware thing? Not sure.
i have the original firmware, never updated , 1.0. The point is when you turn on the camera,, the knob should be on the highest position( not in the middle, where ON is, one more higher position) and mode should be in M. then you can change the aperture, i have camera in my hand right now.@@SkylerKing
Interesting. I always used the highest position rather than the middle position on the power switch (same as with my original 5D). I imagine what might have happened is that I initially did video in aperture priority, then when I realized I couldn't change the aperture once the mirror was up and it was ready to record, I just got in the habit of adjusting the settings to what I wanted before switching it into recording mode (even when in manual).
Yup, which is why for ages now I have been looking for a decent cheap D4S in Taiwan (none so far!), so it might need to await my trip to Japan, whenever and whichever year that is! No hurry. @@SkylerKing
I see a D4s on DCview right now for NT$25,000. It has just under 120,000 shutter actuations, the original box and paperwork, two batteries, original charger, a few CF cards, an L-type quick release plate, etc. It is in Kaohsiung and looks like it is in pretty good condition. Have you seen it?
And you have to go there in person (I am about as far away as you can get in another port city - a colder one) - looks alright though. Most i have seen are pretty doggy.
I had in the past a 5d Classic. I have now modern ff hybride. Photos don t have to be look on a screen at 300% 12.8mp is enought . I miss dslr expérience now and i think i will take again a 5d Classic
Your video highlights the reason I now try to stay away from photography forums. Far far too many gear obsessed morons who pixel peep and compare specs. Newer is best etc. those sorts of people, most of whom ironically barely actually take any pictures, absolutely kill photography for me. My go to camera at the moment is an old decrepit xpro 1 and the apparently dog slow god awful 18mm f2. It’s a beautiful combination. Yet according to the internet it’s barely usable. New cameras with night vision iso and super ai pimple tracking autofocus have absolutely zero appeal to me. I’d rather use a 5d or a d700 any day if the week.
I loved my X-Pro1. It's probably on the list of my top 5 all time favorite cameras. I wish I never would have sold it. I agree about photography forums. New cameras are technologically very impressive, but I can't remember the last time I really wanted a new camera (though, the Nikon ZF does seem interesting).
@@SkylerKing I have an x pro 1 and the xt1. I love my x pro, but can’t seem to click with the xt for some reason, so I’m thinking of selling it and getting a 5d 1 or 2.
i think the impact on the viewer the image gives, especially through the colors,the moment, and uniqueness outranks or trumps hi res ultra-sharp pristine photos. This doesn't apply to all the genres though. Also, higher resolution sensor digital noise doesn’t look so great compared to the grain of the lower res sensors.
There is nothing wrong with the screen. I work in RAW and set the contrast, colour, and sharpening to the lowest value. I then use the screen to look at the histogram. That’s it. Everything else is done in Canon’s RAW editor. Dynamic range - if the highlights are not blown out, I can lift the shadows easily. It’s a very simple and easy camera to work with and has beautiful colour. I have converted one to IR, my other is for colour. Modern cameras are overrated.
@@SkylerKing My 5Dc was converted to 720nm, equivalent to a Hoya R72. It records the upper visible RGB and the dynamic range of the IR is compressed, meaning that the RAW files can be really razzed. It was calibrated for a Canon 50mm f1.8 autofocus lens, and is very accurate. As the sensor is recording predominantly in the non visible red, the sharpness is incredible. I routinely do HDR IR and when done properly, the pictures look etched. A very satisfactory way of working. It was converted by MaxMax of New York about 15 years ago, and they really are the best. The Canon 5Dc battery grip will also take AA batteries, so the camera is future proof.
Unless you have a specific reason for wanting one, I don't see a reason to get one. The 5D classic is a great camera and there is a big cult following, but in 2024, it is a bit of an acquired taste.
Dynamic range cannot be situated at the lower or upper end of itself. "Tuning" as a new concept of describing an alleged over.- and under-exposure is as a build-in baseline of where "midle-gray" is situated..?
I am not sure exactly what you are saying/asking, so I this might or might not be the right response; If two different sensors each have the same dynamic range at the same base ISO, then why has it been observed that one of those sensors will retain more detail in the shadows while more easily clipping highlights, while the other retains more details in the highlights while more easily clipping shadows? How would you describe this difference?
I am referring to various situations where two different cameras have been tested and shown to to have the same dynamic range. If you would like me to find a specific example I can, but it will have to wait until tomorrow as I am about ready to go to bed. In the meantime, how would you describe that?
@@SkylerKing Thank but You really don't need to go through that for me nor here. It's not a preoccupation of mine, neither hypothetical nor practical. It was just that what I heard did not seem to make sens that way but no problem, really!
People are afraid of being thought dumb for not saying what the hype says ("x camera/sensor has film look!") or bash products if some perceived authority tells them so For example while I admit the reviewers at Dpreview have extensive knowledge and perfect machine testing, their conclusion that a one inch sensored camera can match an aps-c sensored camera with a similar lens... well, my eyes don't see that. Smaller sensors behave to my eyes like more distorted, I need to do a bigger effort to have the photo leveled in their axis so the lines don't start to converge. With this I don't say it is worse or better, I have a lot of fun with the small sensors of my cellphones, only that I perceive a difference that influences how I will shoot. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, but if I am wrong is in my own thought by experimentation, it is criteria. Many people repeat Ken Rockwell about film having 25 mpx of resolution, high dynamic range and perfect colors, without noticing that he writes he is comparing medium format film for its resolution, negative film for dynamic range, and slides for colors. And he stopped when digital cameras reached 25 megapixels. I think he was the first to indicate that the screen isn't particularly accurate, I love to read him by the way, I am not blqming him but the tendency to repeat things instead of try them first and speak our mind.
Ken Rockwell is also comparing film to jpeg quality, since he only shoots jpeg. There is nothing wrong with shooting jpeg, of course, but the dynamic range or ultimate image quality of a jpeg file leaves a lot to be desired when compared to raw.
Dynamic range argument is stupid. Some of the best photographers ever used slide film for their best photos. Kodachrome and E6 had like 8ish stops of dynamic range. Lol. The 5d classic has 12? High DR cameras seem to make people process images in a super flat and boring way.
The irony there is these same people complaining about DR shoot with brand new digital cameras and use effects and diffusion filters to dumb down the clinical nature of their 40mp images to look "filmic"
You don't trust DxO Mark, may I know why? They are one of the best labs in the world run by really good scientists and I am not aware of any conflict of interest.
They have had many widely publicized issues, for years. From how they do their measurements to what they deem to be "better" vs "worse", etc. There have also been multiple examples of them not being objective and instead showing very clear bias.
I'm referring to the negative comments on the 5D Classic videos (including my videos). Or the videos that, despite praising the 5D Classic, will generically say something like "of course, there are some problems with the 5D" and then proceed to complain about the screen and the dynamic range, etc.
@@SkylerKing I personally don't understand this cult of old cameras. My first DSLR was from that era and I remember these sticky sensors that had to be cleaned every two weeks, autofocus that lived its own life and what’s worse, there is no live view to take an accurate shot in manual focus if everything is bad with AF. I don’t think that beginners now need to go through all this. I believe that all these videos about magical old cameras are not objective, they are made simply because it is a fairly simple format - you take an old camera and praise it, show simple photographs in a white frame and say “well, look what a beautiful picture.” This plays on many notes in the human soul. People love being told they can get something so good and so affordable. But why do they almost never talk about real flaws of these early models and about problems due to age? This is the first thing a person will really notice - dust on the sensor, mirror that causes earthquakes and that this thing is not able to take pictures in focus and the service guy shrug their shoulders and say that this could be for a dozen reasons at this point.... not “magical” colors or some kind of “character”. Dynamic range is a pretty fair complaint too. I shot for 7 years on a 5D2, which has a better dynamic range, and I know all the tricks to preserve quality. As a real canonist, I learned to shoot with some overexposure and then “pull down,” but still in high-contrast scenes where I had to work with shadows, things weren’t very good. And it's even worse in 5D. if your work or style does not require it and you are happy with what 5D gives, this does not mean that the complaints of others are not relevant. If you like noise in the shadows or if you never shoot high-contrast scenes like backlit portraits, this is your thing. It doesn't make 5D image quality any more capable.
It may not matter to you but the LCD on 5D is really bad, very low resolution. Not for anything else but just reviewing the photos you took. 6D has similar color palette and price but much better screen, AF, SD card, not to mention D700. 5D Screen is terrible
You mention the screen does not have to be accurate, but this screen just sucks. The colors are completely off, orange is what you get. It has no contrast and it sucks in bright light.
I disagree. I have one of the early models, with the worse screen, and I have never noticed any problem with it. Like I said, it's close enough (even if not perfect) that I can pretty effortlessly see and identify whatever I am checking.
What nostalgia? I don't remember the 5D classic being "current" because I wasn't into photography at that time. I never even tried one until a few years ago. Everything I state is, by definition, factual. If I say "the screen is 2.5 inches, which is a big step up from no screen or the older 1.5 inch and 2 inch screen. It's also not far off from the current 3 inch screens" then those are facts. When I say that the screen can be used for basic stuff like checking exposure, that is also a fact. When I say that you don't really need to use the screen very often since there are limited option on the camera and there isn't even live view, once again, it is a fact.
@@SkylerKing It`s just a plain fact that it`s the worst screen on a canon, and maybe the overal worst screen on any camera. No matter what you do with it. I think it`s unusable.
Personally I can’t judge focus on the screen (if it’s eye or nose). And if I have to rely on the autofocus and the very few focus points I have to overshoot to cover my bases. I mean it’s all no dealbreaker to me but it’s a criticism that’s valid in my book. Also the 1h version would be interesting to drop as an unlisted video 🤓
I'm at the point where when I am confronted with a new photography purchase, I think to myself, "yeah, but how many 5D classics can I buy with that?". Great video!
Been there done that :D
That's a pretty good metric
Lol or how many 6Ds can i buy
This is the way
6D's, 5D Mark 2's, Nikon d600/610.. all stupid value 20mp cameras. 5D classic is certainly fun and it's sharp for 12mp and good glass. I've done bird photography with the 5D, and it's slow, but it works. No cropping though. No auto ISO.
I got an Eos RP to replace my 6D that had the screen die on me, and it's very nice. Still have a 5D2 as a backup camera and EDC in the backpack since it's tougher and worth less.@@gary0078
Excellent points Skyler. Would have loved to have seen the >1 hour version!
Please don’t think your videos are too long, unless of course your RUclips metrics tell you differently.
I always thoroughly enjoy your long talks, it’s relaxing, interesting - and just like listening to an old friend.
Take care.
I appreciate that and I will definitely keep it in mind. Thanks, Mike.
I'd like to make some comments about this excellent video: I'm a photographer from the film era. With 12 years old (I'm 54 now) I was already developing my own pictures in our darkroom, thanks to my father, who teached me the basics of this wonderful form of art. I've been a professional wedding and events photographer as a second job (I'm a chemist) for about 15 years, to get money to buy mainly the lenses that I couldn't afford with my salary. I started working with film until I could buy a used 5D body in 2008. My experience with this camera was mind blowing from the start. I felt very comfortable using the 5D and I couldn't believe my eyes when I downloaded the pictures that this camera produces. Having a screen to check some particular pictures with some focusing or exposure challenges was a huge advantage too. One night, working in an event, there was another photographer using a Nikon D700 right by my side. I can say that Nikon made a fantastic camera without the flaws of the 5D, concerning processing speed and autofocus in low light. Those were my main critics to the 5D. The 700D is somehow a WORKHORSE, made to be RELIABLE t the professional photographer. In some situations, the 5D was simply not reliable enough. For example, I remember being struggling to nail the focus in low light and not losing an image that I had one second to take. The 5D loves the natural light and somehow hates the darkness. In the day, you must pay special attention to the exposure to avoid "burning" the highlights. However, in high dynamic range images you will have to decide if you get a white sky or black shadows, because the underexposure recovery is also impossible in some situations, because you'll get some banding problems when you try to recover some underexposed areas. All those problems dissapeared when I bought a second hand 6D body. OMG the central point focuses on things that I can´t see!!! The processing speed is great and the dynamic range es better than the 5D. The image quality is very good, until you go out and make a side by side comparison with the 5D. The 5D is magic and It l always be my first choice of camera, unless I have to work in very specific environments and situations.
Well classic is not in the same league as d700, 5d mk2 is
A huge number of fabulous photos have been shot on the 5D over the years. Published everywhere in all types of media, and nobody complained back then, on the contrary, many professionals on all levels praised the ability of the 5D. And a 5D + good glass can still generate wonders in the right hands, this camera has not suddenly deteriorated.
I'm so glad that videos like yours are on youtube and popular. Let's educate as many people as possible that the cameras are just tools and we should learn how to use them first and appreciate all of them. Me personally, I'm still using my 5D classic, which I bought 10 years ago. I also own modern DSLR's and mirrorless. I also started using FUJIFILM GFX 100s, which is just an insane camera, can't even begin to explain you why, but my point is.. I happily choose the 5d or 6d classic over the modern cameras in various situations, depends on my mood and on the task at hand. Sometimes I might need perfect video autofocus, then a modern full-frame mirrorless is perfect for that. Get yourself a decent lens or lenses you like and learn how to use the camera you own. Cheers for the great content!
My first DSLR was an old 5d classic. Sold it for a 5d mkiii. Sold that for a 5dsr for product photography and artwork documentation. Ive just bought and am excitedly waiting for the arrival of my new 5d classic for my own personal photography again. Really great video! I appreciate your format and professionalism.
I never tried the 5Dsr but was always very curious about it. I am still hoping to get ahold of one at some point. Congrats on the purchase of another 5D classic!
Thank you for the video. I would listen to it even it's a 1h and something. I'm at work and I use one earphone while I work I prefer listening to something interesting like your show. You can post it as extended version. Thank you! I loving the videos topic..I got 5d d700 1d classic and modern mirrorless and I still love the old gear because it's for me for fun. The mirrorless for me is just a tool to get the job done easy to and fast... Please post the the long video. We will definitely want to watch it 🙏 Cheers! 🙋♂️
I sometimes worry that people will think that I hate new cameras or gear (which isn't true). I have owned many modern cameras, many mirrorless cameras as well. The newest mirrorless stuff absolutely makes it easier to get the photo you are trying to get. The video capabilities are amazing, too. It just bothers me when people suddenly "forget" how great or how capable a camera is, simply because it's no longer current.
Good points! Too many videos that just repeat the same things and the screen is fine and won't show you the amazing colours and feel you get from the files anyway
I love my 5d classic and take it out shooting when I just want to chill and enjoy photography 😁
Good video mate! Cheers
Totally agree with you on the screen. The only people who complain are gear spec obsessed. I always check the histogram no matter which cam anyway, and when I show models and clients shots off the back of the 5Dc they love it. If anything they look better than when they are imported 😆
Man, just be yourself, that's what I like the most about your videos. Do the videos as slong as you feel comfortable. I enjoy watching them. Your set of mind is so unbiased and that's exactly what adds value to the content of your videos to me, along with the clear and at the point language. English is my second language and it is a pleasure to learn from you by just listening to your videos.
I own a few old digital cameras and a 5d classic - they all have their own personality. Whoever mentions that the screen isn't good enough, or the megapixels, or the stabilisation- I would simply say that they've never ever used a film camera withaut a screen, withaut any electronics, just pure mechanics. For me any digital camera is a blessing :) I was longing for one for so many years before I could finally manage to afford one and the price of it was more than my mothly sellary- Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ7. I took thousands of photos and the camera is still with me, still like new, and some of the pictures I took with it are still unmatched :)
I really want to hear more about your background. Even just from this comment, your story sounds fascinating.
I might not have time to share my story today, but I will do it in the following days. Best regards!@@SkylerKing
Hello there! I'm sending you my short version of the longer story: I am 42years old, Bulgarian, graduated master of fine arts. Started with photography in order to complement my art-painting-skills. Since Bulgaria (according to my rough estimations) is about 20 years behind Europe, or a generation behind, until my graduation in 2006 I had no digital camera, no computer, no internet as the majority of Bulgarians at that time. So, I was using my dad's film camera which he brought from Russia. Many Bulgarians didn't even had a film camera. In order to take pictures with that camera I had to have a diary in which to write down the settings of each shot and reffer to that diary after I had precessed the shots. First of all I could not afford the films, so I had to save for that, then to save for processing the films, and then to save for processing the images-only to find out that I've rarely had my settings right. I was collecting brochures of the first digital cameras advertised and their fantastic prices for a 1.2mpx, or 2.2mpx, 3.2mpx sensors...I graduated teacher of fine arts with a starting mothly sellary of about 175 euros. I found a job as a sells assistant for 300 euros a month, and managed to buy my first digital camera Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ7 in 2007 for the price of 325 euros. I was shooting with that camera until 2012or 2013, then I've bought a Canon SX220 HS which I will never get rid of-really love it. My biggest investment is Sony a6300 which I bought in 2018, or 2019-rarely use it because is too expensive to carry around. However, for the last 2,3 years I came across many affordable second hand cameras and lenses to experiment with and learn with. Thinks have drastically changed in Bulgaria, now many avid photographers manage to afford top notch cameras and lenses ( I am still not amongs them and my needs are complitely satisfied with what I already have), everybody has internet, smart phone, computer, tablet even those who have no need for that :). 5D Classic is more than sofficient for my needs. And this is my message to all the future photographers: Defain your needs first, before investing in any gear!
I really enjoyed reading that. I am willing to bet that you would have a lot of great stories and perspectives over a cup of coffee.
I don't feel different than anybody else. My guess is that, probably, anybody on my age has no less interesting stories to tell. However, a cup of coffee will be my pleasure :)@@SkylerKing
I quite enjoy your detailed videos, and appreciate what you share!!
The Canon 5D is a great camera and an affordable option for those of us who can't afford to buy the latest cameras every three years or so. The camera is a tool and the skill is knowing how to use it to get the image you envisioned when you spotted the composition. Dynamic range is just one element of it.
Great video, Skyler.
Well said. I completely agree.
Excellent analysis as always! I would love to see the 1 hour version, in fact I really find the longer videos useful and very enterntaining. Keep posting interesting views about photography and specially how to take the most out of this legendary camera. Thank you!
Full of useful insights and interesting nuggets. Thanks Skyler.
Hey, I was just watching your "D700 & D3 series cameras" video!
Great video, Skyler!
I would totally watch the 1hr version. 👍
Incredible content! Thank you for producing these videos.
I really appreciate you taking the time to watch.
*mic drop*
Man, thanks for making this. I’ve been really enjoying my 5D classic a lot the last week, and even picked up a small 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5, and made this my everyday carry kit. Yeah the screen isn’t as awesome as my R6II, but you’re totally right, it’s just to do a quick check on my focus and if I’m clipping. I’m kinda used to this already because I’ve been carrying an old point and shoot digicam for the last couple years, and that screen is so much worse.
But with all these old cameras, I’m constantly blown away by how good the photos are. The 5D is so freaking clean with high ISO, and I’ve definitely noticed how it’s 100 is a much brighter 100 than my R6II, so the 3200 max ISO isn’t even as bad as I thought it would be. The dynamic range and low light performance is still there, and I’ve even considered trying it for a professional gig because I think it’s very capable even for today.
It’s just as capable today as it ever was 😉
I’m happy to hear you’re enjoying the 5D classic. Every time I start to wonder if it’s really that good, I take some photos and am immediately reminded of why it’s got such a loyal following. It’s awesome.
Very good and informative video. I just bouht my first 5D classic in mint condition. I also has two 6D. One with only 1k shutter.
My conclusion so far is that i often use the 6D because of its greater ISO performance.
Sometimes i get "that shot" with the 5D and it is a greater feeling but i think i need to
learn how to use it a bit more. The 6D often does the job easier i believe.
Edit: When shooting B/W with the 5D classic i boost the ISO to 800. Gets that wonderful analogue feeling :)
6D is so underrated. iv been saying this for years. it's a low light monster and the colours that come off that body especially during post processing is something special and ever so resposive.
Excellent points, thanks for yet another great 5D video!
I've had my 5d classic for about a week or so, and shot a family event with it over the weekend. I completely agree with your points here. The screen is more than adequate and much better than I was expecting after watching numerous videos on this camera. Even checking focus is effective. The photos I get from it really are stunning, even pushed to 3200 iso. I can understand how this camera really changed the game in 2005. Even shooting the same shot with the same lens on a Eos R and the 5d classic you would be hard pressed to find flaws. 12.8mp is more than adequate. I'm loving shooting this camera, and I hope it can continue to shoot for a long while yet.
I love hearing stories like this. These cameras were meant to be used.
Why I use the 5DC screen: Press the play button, use the + icon to zoom in to check if my pic is in focus and not blurred and that is all, that's it. I couldn't care less if the photos look washed out or anything else or if they look way brighter on the screen or not.
Your comparison between photographers using slower film cameras and prime lenses getting some of the most iconic photos in history to people complaining about dynamic range and “slower” frame rates of modern cameras was dead on. It reminded me of architects 100 years ago building some of the most beautiful and iconic buildings using blueprints and older equipment vs modern architects with CAD programs and powerful computers. It’s not the equipment, it’s the ability of the person using it.
That's a good example. All the modern bells and whistles make the idea of "photography" more approachable to the masses, and they are definitely useful and beneficial, but at the end of the day you either have the eye for it or you don't.
Totally agree. There are architectural designs in the city I live where I notice the design comes not from the mind of the architect, but from the modeling tools of the software. In my opinion it looks a bit artificial, like common despite having beams and slopes flying in different colors.
I'm totally with you on this! I don't use the Screen for anything other than setting up the camera, or checking the Histogramm at the start of the session. I have no problems getting the images that I want, yes, the camera has it's limitations, but you know that when you buy it. I enjoy using it because it makes me think through the process of 'image making'. I've also learnt to 'embrace the grain'.
I totally agree with you on that, we didn’t even have screens before. It’s just there to verify we took a photo and that’s it.
Always stoked to see more 5D content in 2024. My new favorite camera I've acquired is a Nikon DF but I still got my 5D for backup and love shooting it with my 40mm. I did think it was sort of a moot point comparing medium format (essentially studio cameras where you work with controlled lighting) to the 5D but know you mentioned others like Sony, etc and their sensor "tuning" differences. I shoot film so I haven't thought twice about the DR advantages or disadvantages of the 5D. You are more limited in post but not by a lot if you exposed close to correctly. Same thing with the screen; it's good enough so who cares and I have one of the earlier model ones which are supposed to be worse. If it looks "sharp enough" on that LCD; it's likely sharp enough or better in lightroom lol
Yeah, I should have made it a point to include more information about film (like the dynamic range and greater exposure latitude coming from negative film, while slide film was limited in those areas but offered much more resolution), how the reason why I chose to compare the 5D classic to medium format studio cameras, specifically, was simply to highlight that specs on paper aren't the whole story (for example, on paper, those cameras are newer, more expensive, have larger sensors, more dynamic range at base ISO, etc. - but in the real world, they simply aren't meant to be used in the same way as a typical DSLR... they are for a completely different purpose). I'm glad that you got what I meant, though.
I ended up replacing the focusing screen so I could more easily focus manual focus lenses. Love the 5D.
What focusing screen do you use? I am looking everywhere but nowhere to find.
@@waldemirqueiroz3483 I use Ee-S. It wasn't especially easy to find.
@@waldemirqueiroz3483probably the EE-S as it’s designed for manual focus. It will make the view finder dark below 2.8 ish
Thanks so much for this video….I’m shooting a Nikon D3, D300, D300s, D200….love em, and I absolutely prefer the “look” of my images with the DSLRs in the 10mp-16mp, from the mid to late 2000’s…I have GAS, that’s why I’m watching 😅
You can use a Canon Focusing Screen Ee-S if you use lens faster than f/2.8 for better manual focusing.
Goodness gracious man you know your stuff
Loved the video! Would love to ask where did you get the hood? :)
I 3d printed it because I couldn't find one that I like, for this lens😃
@@SkylerKing can you give a link for your 3d square lens hood? will use it for my pancake lens
Let me try to find the exact one that I ended up using. Once I find it, I'll add it to the description.
Very good proper stuff,bang on,stick to your blower if you want a pretty screen.
That's true, the concept of dynamic range isn't as straightforward, but it is fascinating. Basically, the output image depends on so many variables, and there is no linear correlation between artistic expression and dynamic range 😂. Unfortunately for some, chasing perfect gear takes away from chasing self-expression in a way, but not completely :) Embrace imperfection in everything.
Very well said
The reason I just bought one is because it gives me what non of the newest cameras can’t. I don’t even check the screen but the exposure meter. It gives me the closest feeling to film. I shoot weddings with the r6, Z6ii and A7iv. I also own a Fuji xt3, Olympus m5iii and some others. The 5D classic is unique! Those haters should take more time shooting and practicing the art. I’m tired of those gear RUclipsrs that only shoot RUclips videos.
Great vid!
Yep. I think modern cameras are amazing and have nothing against them. I have owned many mirrorless cameras. They are awesome, but they make no difference in the quality of the photos I get. Though, they are much more forgiving when I make a mistake...lol
Totally 💯
Great video! About dynamic range.... (my personal point of view) What does a super great dynamic range bring to me when I use the image just for shwing on the internet with 072 DPI? My 2015 Imac 27" has a 5K screen, but still most things I watch are either 4 k or even much less with perhaps 144 dpi.... so there goes your dynamic range. Dynamic range only is important when printing and even then one will have to do the right exportation from LRC because all of it wil be lost in the wrong choice of export settings. I work with this camera since 2007 when I first bought it. It produces lovely images and the dynamic range is good enough to do some fine art printing. So you are right, not only about the lcd screen size etc, but surely on the dynamic range issue!
bravo Sir 🙂
so many "reviewers" (RUclipsrs really) don't review a camera but just regurgitate what Tony Norhrup or similar has told them because to do any different marks you out as a wrong 'un who clearly has no idea!!
I've been told so many times that my camera (a Fujifilm) can't do this or can't do that, that I wonder how can I actually get a picture with it!!
I always shoot in raw regardless I have no problems with the jpeg preview from the 5d screen. I just set my image preview profile to maximum sharpness and -1 contrast. Screen always set to full brightness. With regards to dynamic range iv realised the importance of having a good ND/CPL filter on hand and not always shooting wide open.
You are absolutely right. LCD has very limited role in photography nothing to do much other than setting up/accessing menus. The Dynamic range and ISO performance of latest cameras goes down when the ISO is cracked up. I can compare my 5D Classic and D700's performance with latest gears. I believe that if cameras like Canon 5D and Nikon D2X could produce stunning images back in 2005. Why can't they now? If someone cannot take great photos with these cameras, this is user's fault, not the camera. :)
The 5d classic is a great camera, bought one upon release. Post process HDR, amazing images and all these newer high pixel sensors are only good for intense cropping which takes away the entire learning curve of what great photography really is
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Hello from Spain. Thank you for your fantastic videos.
I had a 5d classic that i buyed new in 2009. In 2019 I change the 5d to a 6d (mark I, not mark II) and the 6d is the camera that i use since.
I would like to suggest that you make a comparison like the one you have done in this video, but referring to comparing the 5d with the 6d.
The 6d improves many aspects of the original 5d, but I would like to know your opinion on this, comparing one camera with another.
Thank you very much.
I have made a few videos comparing the 6D to the 5D Classic, in the past. In my 5D review, I compare it to the 6D. In my 6D review, I compare it to the 5D. I also have videos where I compare the image rendering (similarities and differences). In my opinion, the 6D is a fantastic camera and I will likely keep mine forever. The low light performance, dynamic range, and color rendition (even at higher ISO) is phenomenal.
@@SkylerKing Can you say to me, with its the Dynamic Range of the 6d in PDR (iso 100 and iso 800)? Id like to compare it with the canon 5d, that its iso 100 - 8.33 pdr and iso 800 - 7,56 pdr. Thanks for your job.
The base ISO that the sensor is tuned for is different on each camera. For the 5D, the base ISO is 100. For the 6D, the base ISO is 160 (even though you can set it lower, the sensor is tuned for maximum performance at ISO 160). So, it is hard to make a direct comparison, but if you go by base ISO vs number of stops the ISO has been boosted, it would look like this;
Canon 5D - ISO 100 = 8.33PDR, ISO 200 = 8.26PDR, ISO 400 = 7.99PDR, ISO 800 = 7.56PDR,
ISO 1600 = 6.73PDR.
Canon 6D - ISO 160 = 9.52PDR, ISO 320 = 9.16PDR, ISO 640 = 8.62PDR, ISO 1280 = 8.09PDR, ISO 2560 = 7.21PDR
@@SkylerKing Thank you very much. These numbers of PDR have been calculated by you or exists some web page where you consult it ? Thanks again
These numbers were calculated by Bill Claff, who runs "Photonstophotos"
Would you please make a comparison of new Canon cameras like M5 vs Canon 5D classic and Canon 6D...
I sold off most of my modern Canon stuff a few years ago. But, I will definitely compare them if I get the opportunity.
I used a Canon 5D for a while back (1-2 years) when it was first released. It was one of my first cameras. I never liked the ergonomics of the 5D-how camera settings was displayed in the viewfinder and button layout of the camera. I really liked that Canon had a 50mm 1.2 L lens- and the 5D took really great pictures with that lens. I especially remember the color and bokeh of the 5D was really great with that lens. But in the end, due to the 5D ergonomics-and if memory serves the 5D's low-light performance (I remember it not meeting my expectations)-I gave it to an employee of mine and switched to Nikon. I purchased the D700 and never looked back since. No comparison ergonomic-wise between the two in my opinion-D700 blowed the 5D out of the water. The D700 shots also had a different look than the 5D shots. Kind of hard to explain; never really figured out what it was, but the D700 shots (to me) in general (all things being equal) just looked...more real(?) than the 5D. Better than the 5D? Not sure how to describe it but I liked the D700 better than the 5D back then.
I got my 5D a couple of weeks ago. MPB neglected to mention that its light meter was completely screwy, so I've been using 'sunny 16' and the awfulterribleworstscreenever to get my exposure. And using the screen less as I get a bit more confident. Having a ball, though I'm not sure I've taken any great shots yet.
Great shots don't come often. But we keep shooting in the meantime. Congrats on the 5D, though it's too bad about the light meter (I have actually never heard of one failing on a 5D).
Great points.
Hi can I ask what lens hood that is on the 40mm pancake lens?
I 3D printed it
That's something I've noticed, too. It seems like everyone who makes a video about the 5D Classic feels like they have to complain about the bad screen. I've never shot with the 5D Classic (that might change this summer) but I have a Sony T-100. The screen is bad. It doesn't accurately show what a picture looks like, but I like the camera because it's a pocket-sized and is easy to hike with. Having shot with the camera for a few years, I know I can trust it. The screen may suck, but when I get home and look at my pictures on the computer they're fine. I suspect it would be a similar situation with the 5D Classic. Once you trust it, you'll know not to care what images look like on the screen.
Pretty much, yeah. It's half "why does it matter how the photo looks on the screen if it looks good when you print it?" and half "the screen, while not perfectly accurate, isn't that far off and isn't what I would call bad"
I’m new to the Canon DLSR experience. I’ve always been a mirrorless shooter really and always assumed a DSLR was not for me. After seeing a lot of RUclipsrs extolling the virtues of the older systems like the 5Dc, I decided to take the plunge. Personally I was suffering from cameras-operating-like-computers fatigue. What I love about the 5Dc is it sits right on the cusp of transition from film to digital cameras. I love the fact that the camera offers a real film shooters experience with the convenience of digital. The dynamic range is excellent, but to really get the most out of the RAW files, good exposure is key. Much like the Leica M9, the older raw files benefit from correct exposure… the raw files aren’t quite as robust as newer systems. This is we’re people go wrong I think. If you’re the type of shooter who likes to correct in post, maybe excessively so, these older systems are not for you. I adore the 5Dc, it’s a breath of fresh air in a sea on cut and paste specs on cameras loaded with bloat ware you don’t really need.
Well said. As a side note, I have always wanted a Leica M9. I am absolutely, unashamedly jealous that you own one. Legendary camera.
Hey kiddo i'm sorry didn't know you had an active channel, new sub!!
Yeah, just something I do for fun. I appreciate you coming by!
You make a point that I tell folks at my photo club. that some of the greatest images in history were taken on this camera, and that great cameras don't stop being great, just because something technically better comes along.
I had a 2.1Mp Fuji "Snap Camera". I have some nice snaps from it but it was never destined to be a GREAT camera. I paid £350 (UK) for that in 2001 and £50 for 256Mb CF card !!!!
This week I just bought another 5D "classic" for £200 (23 years later!!) and I'll be using a 32Gb card I have lying around, in a CF adapter. To think I have a legendary GREAT camera for the price of a good evening out. It's just incredible to me. The 5D Mk2 is about £300. I bought a 6D for £400. All three cameras for the price of the latest phone. Come on people ... wake up to the opportunities out there. These three cameras have just about the best colour-science known to man. Everything looks beautiful on them, in slightly different ways. (FYI. The 6D is the most underrated camera in history).
Agreed on the screen. The only REAL use of a modern screen is as a touch-screen. No professional photographer ever trusted a screen. That's what a Histogram is for.
I bought a T6i and was not happy. I am old school. So I went back and go the 5D designed to bring us film shooters over to digital. I am enjoying the Raw off this cam. Don't really need to adjust . Modern cams I guess it is normal for post manipulation?? Great dig cam for an old film shooter:)
Finally bought a 5d classic a couple of months ago. I try to see things in a logical way and to me in my opinion allot of people are judging this almost 20 years old camera by modern day standards.
I agree. At the end of the day, it's a full frame camera with an EF lens mount that has legendary color rendition, and it can be purchased for less than $200 pretty often. Pretty hard to complain about that combination.
Had enough dynamic range in 2005; still does.
Just wow!
How about durability? Here near my home a guy sells a 5D for the cheap but it have a lot of shutter actuations, original shutter. The camera is $80usd but it have 120.000 shutter actuations. The camera seems like a slightly beaten camera, some small scratches and normal wear, at least in photos the camera look ok for the age. The vendor say it works without any problem. He includes a 50mm 1.8 (no STM, the old version) and a 16gb CF card.
Is it a concern to have 120.000 shots?
If it functions normally and it comes with a prime lens and a CF card for a combined total of $80, then I would care if it had 300,000 shutter actuations. There is no way to predict how long the shutter will last. Every once in a while, a shutter dies prematurely and while under warranty. Other times, the original shutter will go beyond 1,000,000 shutter actuations. 120,000 isn't too crazy and if it works, it works.
@@SkylerKing thank you! I'll buy it!
Whenever I hear people complain about dynamic range, lens, screen in modern cameras I immediately tune out.
Almost without fail, specs complainers take criminally bad photos, good remedy for this is shooting film.
"spec complainers take criminally bad photos"
That is the perfect summation. Awesome.
@@SkylerKing Except some people make criminally bad generalisations.....
That's also true...
@@markrigg6623
Find me one spec obsessed photographer that actually takes good photos.
You have been duped, it's mostly nonsense for tech junkies and influencers...
@@bozoc2572 Did I not mention some people make criminally bad generalisations? 😊
I only use the screen for focus, I don't care too much about exposure, I shoot in raw & jpg, so it can always be adjusted in post processing.
Seems to me one of primary reasons folks enjoy older cameras is because of the simplicity, I enjoy very much the Sony cameras I have but if you don't take the time to understand the complexity like any computer they can be frustrating
I agree. New cameras are amazing and I am very happy (and impressed) when I use them. They absolutely make life easier and offer a lot of benefits. I think it's easy to get spoiled, though, and forget that even though the older stuff didn't have all the bells and whistles (and you'd have to work a bit harder), it was still able to create great photos, which "should" be the priority.
Hi,
I took some time for this, as your videos were quite long and touched on several topics, which deserves more words than the usual response. I have to see though where to post it. As I found the videos about the 5d, 6d and 3ds very interesting.
To start off, I think photography is one of the domains where people, are guilty of some cardinal sins.
The most important one being, not mastering the tool. You could say that the tool does not matter, but that is more an edge case, than the norm. In general a good tool should fit your needs. A person going frequently from one tool to another, is a master in finding tools, to solve a non existing problem. ( and wishfully thinking that only a new tool can fix).
In photography we have come to a point where the excellence of features, have become the norm; it’s being pushed by companies, and professionals as ‘the’ only output worthy of creation or assessment.
I will try to point out something that is missing in the conversation, when we talk about tools, as a Segway to your videos.
I think if we keep using older tools we need to master skills. Some people say that automation makes life easier, but to me this is just a way to look for options to hide flaws, or avoid to learn a skill.
A skill is important, something that you can pass on to the next generation, as we see with each generation we forget how to create or do things, ( too much)automation introduces dependency, and inertia. We don’t even use 100% of our word processor, which we pay at full license, but no one bats an eye to improve their writing; even worse we use ChatGTP.
My point is not to turn off features, but make sure we learn using the tool between 90 to 100%. With dependency on features we tend to look where they fail, while in essence the only thing needed is to better our skills, and work within the limits of the tool.
Alas we cannot request companies to tailor our tools to us personally ( at least not with cameras), but some come very close to what we might need. I think the 5d, 6d, and d3 are some of the examples where, as you mentioned, companies went all out and added enough quality and features, anyone could have wanted in a camera.
We used to have a simple camera with shutter speeds maxing out at 1/2000th ( perhaps a little more), a manual lens ( or three) which lasted a lifetime with some up-keep; we could choose to be skillful, or skill-less just happily snap around based on the type of film. All we needed was a good light meter, and perhaps an extra metering mode, but even that was not mandatory; if you knew how to shoot from daylight to dawn with a fixed ISO, and hand hold your camera to around 1/15 or less, you were always good to go. The extra skills needed became apparent when shooting slide film, It was noticed for it’s quality even at less dynamic range.
I think we should treat these cameras the same, although they are digital; we still need to be able to apply these skills, I do not wish of a tool which renders everything for us, without batting an eye.
Very well said.
Very good points.
The 5D is a fine photography tool. The screen is fine, put the preview showing the brightness histogram, good photographers know how to read a histogram. Photography 101.
People that negatively talk about its dynamic range (so what) don't understand how to use the tool. The tool has an excellent bracketing tool in the custom functions. Good photographers know that you have to bracket certain scenes to capture your vision properly, photography 101.
People also complain about the outer auto focus points suck. Well, not on all lenses. A good photographer will pre-check his lenses and see if the lens will perform on the various focus points consistently and If the lens struggles, just use the center point and recompose. Photography 101.
The best thing about this 5D tool is its simplicity. The camera doesn't get in the way and allows you to display your creative skill.
the screen for mine canon 5dc is good, so i was thinking the same thing, than i realize mine is the second version, the first edition got a bad screen and also problem with a mirror.
I knew about the mirror problem. I haven’t heard anything substantial about the screen, though. What issue did you have?
I own an old version that had the mirror fixed by the previous owner, and a newer "version". I don't see any real difference between the two screens, other than a very slight yellow tint on the newer one. I can't say for sure since my newer 5D has the first digits of the serial number worn off, but it has small design differences and no mirror fix, so most probably correct. Open to hear different info though
Hi there, did you figure out how to change apperture while taking a video in 5d mark 2? you said while ago that its inpossible, but i can do it in miy 5dm2
I haven't had a 5D2 for awhile, so i haven't had a chance to mess with it. Seems to be a debated topic, though. Some people say they can, while most say they can't. Maybe it is a firmware thing? Not sure.
i have the original firmware, never updated , 1.0. The point is when you turn on the camera,, the knob should be on the highest position( not in the middle, where ON is, one more higher position) and mode should be in M. then you can change the aperture, i have camera in my hand right now.@@SkylerKing
Interesting. I always used the highest position rather than the middle position on the power switch (same as with my original 5D). I imagine what might have happened is that I initially did video in aperture priority, then when I realized I couldn't change the aperture once the mirror was up and it was ready to record, I just got in the habit of adjusting the settings to what I wanted before switching it into recording mode (even when in manual).
@25:34 and now have a look at PDR for the D700 :)
It’s about 1/3 stop better on the D700 at ISO 800.
Yup, which is why for ages now I have been looking for a decent cheap D4S in Taiwan (none so far!), so it might need to await my trip to Japan, whenever and whichever year that is! No hurry. @@SkylerKing
I see a D4s on DCview right now for NT$25,000. It has just under 120,000 shutter actuations, the original box and paperwork, two batteries, original charger, a few CF cards, an L-type quick release plate, etc. It is in Kaohsiung and looks like it is in pretty good condition. Have you seen it?
Nope, looking now...@@SkylerKing
And you have to go there in person (I am about as far away as you can get in another port city - a colder one) - looks alright though. Most i have seen are pretty doggy.
@17:54 Amen to that.
I had in the past a 5d Classic. I have now modern ff hybride. Photos don t have to be look on a screen at 300% 12.8mp is enought . I miss dslr expérience now and i think i will take again a 5d Classic
Your video highlights the reason I now try to stay away from photography forums. Far far too many gear obsessed morons who pixel peep and compare specs. Newer is best etc. those sorts of people, most of whom ironically barely actually take any pictures, absolutely kill photography for me. My go to camera at the moment is an old decrepit xpro 1 and the apparently dog slow god awful 18mm f2. It’s a beautiful combination. Yet according to the internet it’s barely usable. New cameras with night vision iso and super ai pimple tracking autofocus have absolutely zero appeal to me. I’d rather use a 5d or a d700 any day if the week.
I loved my X-Pro1. It's probably on the list of my top 5 all time favorite cameras. I wish I never would have sold it. I agree about photography forums. New cameras are technologically very impressive, but I can't remember the last time I really wanted a new camera (though, the Nikon ZF does seem interesting).
@@SkylerKing I have an x pro 1 and the xt1. I love my x pro, but can’t seem to click with the xt for some reason, so I’m thinking of selling it and getting a 5d 1 or 2.
i think the impact on the viewer the image gives, especially through the colors,the moment, and uniqueness outranks or trumps hi res ultra-sharp pristine photos. This doesn't apply to all the genres though. Also, higher resolution sensor digital noise doesn’t look so great compared to the grain of the lower res sensors.
There is nothing wrong with the screen. I work in RAW and set the contrast, colour, and sharpening to the lowest value. I then use the screen to look at the histogram. That’s it. Everything else is done in Canon’s RAW editor. Dynamic range - if the highlights are not blown out, I can lift the shadows easily. It’s a very simple and easy camera to work with and has beautiful colour. I have converted one to IR, my other is for colour. Modern cameras are overrated.
I am very curious about your results using an IR converted 5D. I have been thinking about buying another one just for that purpose.
@@SkylerKing My 5Dc was converted to 720nm, equivalent to a Hoya R72. It records the upper visible RGB and the dynamic range of the IR is compressed, meaning that the RAW files can be really razzed. It was calibrated for a Canon 50mm f1.8 autofocus lens, and is very accurate. As the sensor is recording predominantly in the non visible red, the sharpness is incredible. I routinely do HDR IR and when done properly, the pictures look etched. A very satisfactory way of working. It was converted by MaxMax of New York about 15 years ago, and they really are the best. The Canon 5Dc battery grip will also take AA batteries, so the camera is future proof.
I have never shot with a 5D1...I have a 5D2 and a 6D. Maybe I should get a 5D1?
Unless you have a specific reason for wanting one, I don't see a reason to get one. The 5D classic is a great camera and there is a big cult following, but in 2024, it is a bit of an acquired taste.
Dynamic range cannot be situated at the lower or upper end of itself.
"Tuning" as a new concept of describing an alleged over.- and under-exposure is as a build-in baseline of where "midle-gray" is situated..?
I am not sure exactly what you are saying/asking, so I this might or might not be the right response;
If two different sensors each have the same dynamic range at the same base ISO, then why has it been observed that one of those sensors will retain more detail in the shadows while more easily clipping highlights, while the other retains more details in the highlights while more easily clipping shadows? How would you describe this difference?
@@SkylerKing What makes you say that both have the same dynamic range?
I am referring to various situations where two different cameras have been tested and shown to to have the same dynamic range. If you would like me to find a specific example I can, but it will have to wait until tomorrow as I am about ready to go to bed. In the meantime, how would you describe that?
@@SkylerKing Thank but You really don't need to go through that for me nor here. It's not a preoccupation of mine, neither hypothetical nor practical. It was just that what I heard did not seem to make sens that way but no problem, really!
People are afraid of being thought dumb for not saying what the hype says ("x camera/sensor has film look!") or bash products if some perceived authority tells them so For example while I admit the reviewers at Dpreview have extensive knowledge and perfect machine testing, their conclusion that a one inch sensored camera can match an aps-c sensored camera with a similar lens... well, my eyes don't see that. Smaller sensors behave to my eyes like more distorted, I need to do a bigger effort to have the photo leveled in their axis so the lines don't start to converge. With this I don't say it is worse or better, I have a lot of fun with the small sensors of my cellphones, only that I perceive a difference that influences how I will shoot. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, but if I am wrong is in my own thought by experimentation, it is criteria. Many people repeat Ken Rockwell about film having 25 mpx of resolution, high dynamic range and perfect colors, without noticing that he writes he is comparing medium format film for its resolution, negative film for dynamic range, and slides for colors. And he stopped when digital cameras reached 25 megapixels. I think he was the first to indicate that the screen isn't particularly accurate, I love to read him by the way, I am not blqming him but the tendency to repeat things instead of try them first and speak our mind.
Ken Rockwell is also comparing film to jpeg quality, since he only shoots jpeg. There is nothing wrong with shooting jpeg, of course, but the dynamic range or ultimate image quality of a jpeg file leaves a lot to be desired when compared to raw.
Dynamic range argument is stupid. Some of the best photographers ever used slide film for their best photos. Kodachrome and E6 had like 8ish stops of dynamic range. Lol. The 5d classic has 12? High DR cameras seem to make people process images in a super flat and boring way.
The irony there is these same people complaining about DR shoot with brand new digital cameras and use effects and diffusion filters to dumb down the clinical nature of their 40mp images to look "filmic"
You nailed it.
You don't trust DxO Mark, may I know why? They are one of the best labs in the world run by really good scientists and I am not aware of any conflict of interest.
They have had many widely publicized issues, for years. From how they do their measurements to what they deem to be "better" vs "worse", etc. There have also been multiple examples of them not being objective and instead showing very clear bias.
What are you talking about ? All the videos I've seen about 5D are praise.
I'm referring to the negative comments on the 5D Classic videos (including my videos). Or the videos that, despite praising the 5D Classic, will generically say something like "of course, there are some problems with the 5D" and then proceed to complain about the screen and the dynamic range, etc.
@@SkylerKing I personally don't understand this cult of old cameras. My first DSLR was from that era and I remember these sticky sensors that had to be cleaned every two weeks, autofocus that lived its own life and what’s worse, there is no live view to take an accurate shot in manual focus if everything is bad with AF. I don’t think that beginners now need to go through all this.
I believe that all these videos about magical old cameras are not objective, they are made simply because it is a fairly simple format - you take an old camera and praise it, show simple photographs in a white frame and say “well, look what a beautiful picture.” This plays on many notes in the human soul. People love being told they can get something so good and so affordable.
But why do they almost never talk about real flaws of these early models and about problems due to age? This is the first thing a person will really notice - dust on the sensor, mirror that causes earthquakes and that this thing is not able to take pictures in focus and the service guy shrug their shoulders and say that this could be for a dozen reasons at this point.... not “magical” colors or some kind of “character”.
Dynamic range is a pretty fair complaint too. I shot for 7 years on a 5D2, which has a better dynamic range, and I know all the tricks to preserve quality. As a real canonist, I learned to shoot with some overexposure and then “pull down,” but still in high-contrast scenes where I had to work with shadows, things weren’t very good. And it's even worse in 5D.
if your work or style does not require it and you are happy with what 5D gives, this does not mean that the complaints of others are not relevant. If you like noise in the shadows or if you never shoot high-contrast scenes like backlit portraits, this is your thing. It doesn't make 5D image quality any more capable.
It may not matter to you but the LCD on 5D is really bad, very low resolution. Not for anything else but just reviewing the photos you took.
6D has similar color palette and price but much better screen, AF, SD card, not to mention D700.
5D Screen is terrible
You mention the screen does not have to be accurate, but this screen just sucks. The colors are completely off, orange is what you get. It has no contrast and it sucks in bright light.
I disagree. I have one of the early models, with the worse screen, and I have never noticed any problem with it. Like I said, it's close enough (even if not perfect) that I can pretty effortlessly see and identify whatever I am checking.
@@SkylerKing Like you say your self, worse screen, it seems nostalgia makes everything acceptable.
Well not to me.
What nostalgia? I don't remember the 5D classic being "current" because I wasn't into photography at that time. I never even tried one until a few years ago. Everything I state is, by definition, factual. If I say "the screen is 2.5 inches, which is a big step up from no screen or the older 1.5 inch and 2 inch screen. It's also not far off from the current 3 inch screens" then those are facts. When I say that the screen can be used for basic stuff like checking exposure, that is also a fact. When I say that you don't really need to use the screen very often since there are limited option on the camera and there isn't even live view, once again, it is a fact.
@@SkylerKing It`s just a plain fact that it`s the worst screen on a canon, and maybe the overal worst screen on any camera.
No matter what you do with it.
I think it`s unusable.
@brugj03 it's not. In fact, it is so far from the "worst" that at this point I think you're just trolling.
Personally I can’t judge focus on the screen (if it’s eye or nose). And if I have to rely on the autofocus and the very few focus points I have to overshoot to cover my bases. I mean it’s all no dealbreaker to me but it’s a criticism that’s valid in my book.
Also the 1h version would be interesting to drop as an unlisted video 🤓