As a mom to an intellectually disabled child I feel bad for Mark. I wish more people were educated on this subject so they could understand and not judge
I'm from Vallejo, there's a road near the park where the first victims were killed that leads to just farm/open land and there's a bunch of signs with his symbol in the middle, it's pretty terrifying driving through there
I spent so much time at Blue Rock Springs Park when I visited my grandparents (both sets) in Vallejo as a child . Actually, I always found it creepy as a kid. That mournful , eerie sound the peacocks would make-and it would just come out of the blue at random intervals. The place was always nearly deserted .
Mark was probably once of the biggest waste of life the justices system took. The amount of things that man could have created to change the world…… we will never know smh
While I do agree his imprisonment was hideous, our society doesn't deal well with people like him. Someone like Mark would need to be supervised at all times, which is usually an unsupportable burden. One of my childhood friends and classmates is an autistic savant. His family has been able to keep him safe in his 65 years, but he's never been able to work, can't drive a car, can't be left unsupervised, etc. Brilliant beyond belief -- he's a human calculator, can spout of 5- and 6-digit prime numbers -- but he simply can't function on his own. Mark couldn't either. Not knowing how serious it is to make a homemade gun is likely to lead nowhere good.
@@josi4251had he not been imprisoned for taking his deceased father's tools he would have never been making handguns with the purpose of escaping in the first place
I feel sorry for the lives that was taken by this crazy guy and I feel sorry for the family that lost their lived ones who had to live through this 😢😢😢
I was in a business meeting with some representatives of a potential French supplier. They had a little conversation about how they were going to rip us off. As the meeting ended and we shook hands, I said "Comprendre que les anglais ne sont pas tous idiots," (Understand that the English are not all idiots.) I really wish I could have recorded the expression on their faces. Needless to say, they were not selected as a supplier.
Okay so I found something super interesting! The coded name is 13 letters long, but there's only 8 unique letters. If Lawrence Kane (one of the suspects) went by Lawrence K Kane (bit of a stretch there, but stick with me), it's 13 letters long, with 8 unique letters! Furthermore, the count of each unique letter lines up! It's hard to explain but hopefully this makes sense: in BOTH instances, there are 4 letters that are only used once, 3 letters that are used twice, and 1 letter that is used three times! Am I going crazy here?? Someone who's super good at decoding should try to figure this out!
Not crazy but give your self some credit. Dont need a title in a field to have a good mind. Keep looking into it a try to verify, you seem good with data point connecting.
The lawyer’s name - Belli - is pronounced “Bell-eye”. I was a kid growing up in Tiburon, CA and all the neighborhood parents escorted us everywhere. It was terrifying.
Seriously, the cops and judges and doctors who were responsible for Mark Defriest should go to the cell themselves. Seriously, how can you not spot Paych's disease in someone like that?
@josi4251 I think it's believed he has autism and bipolar disorder honestly cops and judges aren't trained to know this which is why people want to send police funding to other areas so the police can work with social workers ect. The first psychologist he had failed him saying he was intentionally doing things because at that point the judge felt as though the mental episodes were a lie.
@@josi4251 Paych's Disease is either an auto incorrect or a misspelling; Apple, Google and all those teachers need to be held accountable. How could they let this happen?
My theory about the last cipher. One of the reasons I think zodiac killer was never caught: he eventually had more than one killer recruited/took credit for other crimes. It's technically a win-win for someone who wants to commit a crime and the zodiac killer. He did commit his own crimes, but the reason he can be linked to 9 but he claims up to 37 is because his team of killers did the others. That's why he referenced slaves who will join him and serve him in paradise. Once he became "known" and enemy #1, all he needs to do is send in a cipher and he can have a any crimes linked to him. I have no proof of this and yes, it did start off as one person, I really think it eventually grew to a team.
Everything about a person like this speaks intricate thought about every (usually almost every, hence getting caught) aspect of the crimes. The answer will doubtless be in there somewhere because why be so clever if no one know about how clever you are? This goes 10x for narcissists, and I would say the Zodiac killer falls into this category, although I am in no way an expert and only going off what other expects has surmised.
Agreed . Up left of the cipher place copies of the cipher top left and caddy corner, so you make a square , can you see it. it reads : we put her body by the ice machine. we??? the cipher i think is telling you where he placed the bodies, bottom left something about a boy in a boat and to look in a zoo bottom right: something about a key to a locker or lockbox toolbox too left diagonal someyhing about going to the 9th floor by a certain time in new york center something about a deity jesus christ and he loves them then look for a book by tom or tony in new york
Fun fact, the creek flowing out of the dam that creates lake Berryessa is called Putah Creek, but it is much more well known by it's nickname, "Green River" which is the river mentioned by CCR. CCR was from this area. Also, it's in Yolo County.
I never thought i’d see the same animation style and hear the same narrator from the backrooms explained and SCP explained videos about a true crime subject… idk why it was just very bizarre to me lol like if I muted it I imagine they’re talking about scps lol
You guys are killing it. Do you even make money doing this? It just cost a lot to produce such material. Anyway, I’m glad you’re doing it because this is great. I’m hooked! Binge time!
honestly the zodiac case has been more than 50 yrs old. either the killer is dead now or will never be caught. I rather they focus their resources in solving more recent unsolved cases
@@sentryogmixmasterno, because really these killers always want to be caught. Or at least to keep playing the cat and mouse game, catch me if you can.
Please keep up the variety infographics show! I am tired of seeing all the China World War III, Russia videos. Please bring back the challenge guy. What happened to the poor guy??
@13:00 I also had called into the FBI around the time that they were cracking this apparently and I had reminded them that they had thought that "DES" was short for code language that they tend to use, but it was December DEC is what it should have been- because he was using it with the other dates + the people he had killed... that would make it numerologically a lot different!
If Zodiac had a car, then why would he have Paul Stine drive him to that neighborhood? Why did he not just drive there himself? Of all the neighborhoods he could have gone to, he went to that one. Before Stine took off, he had to ask where Zodiac was going to. But they went to that stop sign before Zodiac killed him. So that one makes no sense.
Maybe the cab ride had nothing to do with the destination at all? What if the crime was about throwing off the cops completely by departing from his pattern radically, both the setting and the choice of victim.?I think he was taunting the police by carrying out such a public, risky crime as well.
I've wondered re: The Zodiac Killer if he wasn't misspelling words on purpose. That if you combine the misspelled words with the left-over letters at the bottom of his message, that it might be an anagram.
13:48 the bottom cipher: A MAN NAMED TOM i think the middle part of the cipher has the last name , it’s like he switched to a different coding system are they any tom’s anywhere on case files?
Yes. It's very interesting. They have time stamps of all the stories in the description box. You can choose what stories you want to listen to or watch the whole thing. I thought it was a well-done and very interesting video.
Even if you've heard some of a story it seems to have new twist or solution, ( that or I'm getting senile, could be --------- ), but yes it was worth the it for the new info. Enjoy
In the late 60s I would often ride my bicycle into West Los Angeles to visit friends and stores. The graffiti in W.L.A. was mostly signed 18th Street AND...my favorite gang of all time...the Stoners. The Stoners, for some inexplicable reason, were chiller than all other gangs.
I think the zodiac was a longshorman. We send delegates to Frisco from all over the west coast, Canada and Hawaii. Might explain why this just stopped, the person or persons did not get reelected to delegate position or retired...
Umm, no "Ice Cold Soda" available at the gas stations. They did not have that type of refrigeration yet, especially rurally. Not even for Bonnie and Clyde, sigh. Things could have been sooooo different if that gang only had the ability to have icy cold drinks, dontcha think?
Melvin Belly..??? I think the Zodiac was British.... He said several times in his cards and letters.. ¨Happy Christmas¨ which they say in the UK...not here in America...
That had nothing to do with solving the so called ciphers, needed was pen and paper, they have wasted 12 million I heard. Instead of solving yourself which is very easy, send out in raw form to a language translator or linguist.
I don't think it is likely but what if you tried to use the symbols from the 348 and to the 2 others that are really short. If he was really lazy he might have used the same code.
The decipher of this guy was fascinating and lifechanging for intelligence personal...strangely inspiring how to hide the shadows...but of course killers are horrific and should DIE on the dam chair or injection...I liked this video The Infographics Show yes!!!!👍😅
I wonder what it's like going through life thinking I know everything. Tell me. Did you not notice the "and more crazy stories" part of the title? Did you really not investigate? You just decided you know what's going to happen?
Agreed! He was essentially imprisoned and tortured for being neurodivergent. None of that would've needed to happen if they'd just chilled the F out about the tools. I feel so sorry for him
Well if it were me instead of making a cypher I’d just write random symbols just to make them waste time
I’m pretty sure they know how to tell whether or not a cypher actually means something or not
@@thomasapodaca5800they do, i think the person who wrote this original comment is a kid.
Perhaps he was looking for a soul mate 🤣🤣🤣 cop/criminal opposites attract type of thing and smart enough to communicate with them,🤷🏼♀️🤣 craziness
@@gely_ you can still be tricked by a « pattern »
Man kann in Codes auch etwas sehen, auch wenn es wirklich nichts bedeuten soll.
As a mom to an intellectually disabled child I feel bad for Mark. I wish more people were educated on this subject so they could understand and not judge
I'm from Vallejo, there's a road near the park where the first victims were killed that leads to just farm/open land and there's a bunch of signs with his symbol in the middle, it's pretty terrifying driving through there
I spent so much time at Blue Rock Springs Park when I visited my grandparents (both sets) in Vallejo as a child . Actually, I always found it creepy as a kid. That mournful , eerie sound the peacocks would make-and it would just come out of the blue at random intervals. The place was always nearly deserted .
Jfc, that's nine kinds of disrespectful to the victims.
Mark Defriest story makes me feel nothing but shame for us. That's a pretty low bar. But thanks for a another informative video. Knowledge is King.
Mark was probably once of the biggest waste of life the justices system took. The amount of things that man could have created to change the world…… we will never know smh
While I do agree his imprisonment was hideous, our society doesn't deal well with people like him. Someone like Mark would need to be supervised at all times, which is usually an unsupportable burden. One of my childhood friends and classmates is an autistic savant. His family has been able to keep him safe in his 65 years, but he's never been able to work, can't drive a car, can't be left unsupervised, etc. Brilliant beyond belief -- he's a human calculator, can spout of 5- and 6-digit prime numbers -- but he simply can't function on his own. Mark couldn't either. Not knowing how serious it is to make a homemade gun is likely to lead nowhere good.
@@josi4251 yeah its sad but they really have no place in society, hopefully eventually that can change.
@@josi4251had he not been imprisoned for taking his deceased father's tools he would have never been making handguns with the purpose of escaping in the first place
@fauxman1 very much agreed. The man seemed too peaceful for anything bad. He could of easily used his guns to take out guards and didnt.
I feel sorry for the lives that was taken by this crazy guy and I feel sorry for the family that lost their lived ones who had to live through this 😢😢😢
00:40 This should say "half a *century* of silence" as "half a decade" is only five years.
I was in a business meeting with some representatives of a potential French supplier. They had a little conversation about how they were going to rip us off. As the meeting ended and we shook hands, I said "Comprendre que les anglais ne sont pas tous idiots," (Understand that the English are not all idiots.) I really wish I could have recorded the expression on their faces. Needless to say, they were not selected as a supplier.
It’s always amusing when people assume speaking a different language makes it impossible for others to understand them.
As a french person, this sounds awfully like google translate. But, I'll give you benefit of the doubt.
Man, hearing some of these robberies makes me wanna get a job as a person who tests this sort of thing for banks or other places
Okay so I found something super interesting! The coded name is 13 letters long, but there's only 8 unique letters. If Lawrence Kane (one of the suspects) went by Lawrence K Kane (bit of a stretch there, but stick with me), it's 13 letters long, with 8 unique letters!
Furthermore, the count of each unique letter lines up! It's hard to explain but hopefully this makes sense: in BOTH instances, there are 4 letters that are only used once, 3 letters that are used twice, and 1 letter that is used three times!
Am I going crazy here?? Someone who's super good at decoding should try to figure this out!
Hm.Interesting!Maybe your right,but I guess we will never know🤷♂️
Crazy coincidence 4-3-1 (letters used). 431 is a prime number
@@jesselong1622prime numbers are intimidating but what does it mean?
Not crazy but give your self some credit. Dont need a title in a field to have a good mind. Keep looking into it a try to verify, you seem good with data point connecting.
We still don't know that they're names of people though, they could even be a location.
How do you go to your grave without leaving something to let the world know you were the killer. Crazy
When you encounter someone in the woods, and they come back later, they probably mean you harm.
This should have been a limited series on Netflix. Great Job
Fr man
Well it was already a great movie
@@danieldavis22922 movies. One good one bad
maybe not Netflix, they have gone down hill hard
They'd turn it in to stories that are more fanciful than fact.
Aha! It was pig latin all along!
tf
@@azuve Umbass Day
That makes sense. I could never figure out pig latin, no one can!
Allay ies-lay! 😅
Saved me 4hours😂
The lawyer’s name - Belli - is pronounced “Bell-eye”. I was a kid growing up in Tiburon, CA and all the neighborhood parents escorted us everywhere. It was terrifying.
You would think ai would have solved the cypher and everything by now.
Seriously, the cops and judges and doctors who were responsible for Mark Defriest should go to the cell themselves. Seriously, how can you not spot Paych's disease in someone like that?
What is Paych's disease?
@josi4251 I think it's believed he has autism and bipolar disorder honestly cops and judges aren't trained to know this which is why people want to send police funding to other areas so the police can work with social workers ect. The first psychologist he had failed him saying he was intentionally doing things because at that point the judge felt as though the mental episodes were a lie.
@@josi4251 Paych's Disease is either an auto incorrect or a misspelling; Apple, Google and all those teachers need to be held accountable. How could they let this happen?
My theory about the last cipher. One of the reasons I think zodiac killer was never caught: he eventually had more than one killer recruited/took credit for other crimes. It's technically a win-win for someone who wants to commit a crime and the zodiac killer.
He did commit his own crimes, but the reason he can be linked to 9 but he claims up to 37 is because his team of killers did the others. That's why he referenced slaves who will join him and serve him in paradise.
Once he became "known" and enemy #1, all he needs to do is send in a cipher and he can have a any crimes linked to him. I have no proof of this and yes, it did start off as one person, I really think it eventually grew to a team.
Everything about a person like this speaks intricate thought about every (usually almost every, hence getting caught) aspect of the crimes. The answer will doubtless be in there somewhere because why be so clever if no one know about how clever you are? This goes 10x for narcissists, and I would say the Zodiac killer falls into this category, although I am in no way an expert and only going off what other expects has surmised.
Agreed . Up left of the cipher place copies of the cipher top left and caddy corner, so you make a square , can you see it. it reads :
we put her body by the ice machine.
we??? the cipher i think is telling you where he placed the bodies,
bottom left something about a boy in a boat and to look in a zoo
bottom right: something about a key to a locker or lockbox toolbox
too left diagonal someyhing about going to the 9th floor by a certain time in new york
center something about a deity jesus christ and he loves them
then look for a book by tom or tony in new york
Fun fact, the creek flowing out of the dam that creates lake Berryessa is called Putah Creek, but it is much more well known by it's nickname, "Green River" which is the river mentioned by CCR.
CCR was from this area. Also, it's in Yolo County.
Are you sayinh Ccr is in yolo county or barryessa is? Lake barryessa is in napa county.
It's called b itch creek?
Melvin "bell-eye", not "bell-ee". Otherwise, good piece. I had not realized it had finally been deciphered.
I never thought i’d see the same animation style and hear the same narrator from the backrooms explained and SCP explained videos about a true crime subject… idk why it was just very bizarre to me lol like if I muted it I imagine they’re talking about scps lol
tell me you have chatgpt write your scripts without telling me you have chatgpt write your scripts 😅
Wow, this is so interesting!
You guys are killing it. Do you even make money doing this? It just cost a lot to produce such material. Anyway, I’m glad you’re doing it because this is great. I’m hooked! Binge time!
Infographics show is definitely one of the biggest players of RUclips
Haha they be making bank, deservedly so.
oh yes trust me they have made thousands 😂 youtube PAYS
They make lots of money, they are a business.
"You guys are killing it." +1 choice of words.
Hes probably dead by now, or so old jail wouldnt matter much. Shame he was never brought to justice
Hes alive, his name is Ted Cruz
@@JSmirkingRevenge😂😂
@@JSmirkingRevenge 😂
@@JSmirkingRevenge he's not nearly smart enough for all that. Lol
4 hours? I'll take your word for it.
Lol. I'm in for it
Not today son
Maybe next year
Actually though… 4 hours?
Thank god it’s a compilation and not one video
Great channel. But 4 hrs?? Ain’t nobody got time for that!
Starting this at 8:35 CST... wish me luck! I listened to the whole hours. Even after figuring out that the Zodia part was about 10 minutes.
Brother, touch grass.
😂
Did you solve it
honestly the zodiac case has been more than 50 yrs old. either the killer is dead now or will never be caught. I rather they focus their resources in solving more recent unsolved cases
it was you wasn't it!
@@sentryogmixmasterno, because really these killers always want to be caught. Or at least to keep playing the cat and mouse game, catch me if you can.
who else is watching this past midnight-
Oh man, that's absolutely NOTHING like where the first Zodiac murders took place
Fbi every 10 years: We got em🗿 (its a different guy then the last time💀)
What I learnt - use spelling mistakes in cyphers, YAY :P
I love going to sleep listening to this guy!
This video is actually really fun, that second story with bank robbers was far out
it is incredibly sad that people imagine a good life or death depends on having slaves.
Please keep up the variety infographics show! I am tired of seeing all the China World War III, Russia videos. Please bring back the challenge guy. What happened to the poor guy??
Yeah instopped watching for a while cause it got boring i love these compilnations though i always watch them before bed
Nobody in the comments has actually finished the video yet
Nobody knew it was over an hour long when they clicked it.
if you enjoyed this i highly recommend the movie "Zodiac" starring Jake Gyllenhaal.
@13:00 I also had called into the FBI around the time that they were cracking this apparently and I had reminded them that they had thought that "DES" was short for code language that they tend to use, but it was December DEC is what it should have been- because he was using it with the other dates + the people he had killed... that would make it numerologically a lot different!
Just one video before bed.
The video:
If Zodiac had a car, then why would he have Paul Stine drive him to that neighborhood? Why did he not just drive there himself? Of all the neighborhoods he could have gone to, he went to that one. Before Stine took off, he had to ask where Zodiac was going to. But they went to that stop sign before Zodiac killed him. So that one makes no sense.
Maybe the cab ride had nothing to do with the destination at all? What if the crime was about throwing off the cops completely by departing from his pattern radically, both the setting and the choice of victim.?I think he was taunting the police by carrying out such a public, risky crime as well.
4 hours!
Disclaimer: this is a reupload comp
i wonder if the spelling error could be cross referenced with any of the previous suspects correspondence? diarys letters?
when you finished this video just to realize the video was 4 hours long
Ted Cruz should pay for his crimes
Is that the famous lawyer "Melly Belly"?🤪
This is amazing
Very good👍👍👍👍👍👍
I've wondered re: The Zodiac Killer if he wasn't misspelling words on purpose. That if you combine the misspelled words with the left-over letters at the bottom of his message, that it might be an anagram.
I dont mind the four hr long helps me fall asleep at night
That bank robbery was truly genius.
Someone needs to make a movie about the Banco Rio bank robbery
13:48 the bottom cipher:
A MAN NAMED TOM
i think the middle part of the cipher has the last name , it’s like he switched to a different coding system
are they any tom’s anywhere on case files?
He lived in Oregon 6 hours away Frisco? Yeah he lived in Oregon He probably lived in the Rogue Valley
Oh, yeah, Ted Cruz, that guy.
Wouldn’t mind if a burglar broke in and cleaned up my house 😂
fbi confirms efficiency of your mk ultra program
Wait this video is 4 hours long?! Can someone that's watched the whole thing tell if it's worth watching it in your opinion?
Yes. It's very interesting. They have time stamps of all the stories in the description box. You can choose what stories you want to listen to or watch the whole thing. I thought it was a well-done and very interesting video.
Even if you've heard some of a story it seems to have new twist or solution, ( that or I'm getting senile, could be --------- ),
but yes it was worth the it for the new info. Enjoy
Love the videos. It's pronounced Belleye not Belly.
In the late 60s I would often ride my bicycle into West Los Angeles to visit friends and stores. The graffiti in W.L.A. was mostly signed 18th Street AND...my favorite gang of all time...the Stoners. The Stoners, for some inexplicable reason, were chiller than all other gangs.
There's a movie about the second case "Heist of the Century"
Pretty sure there wasn't TV in the Bonnie and Clyde era.
What? I thought for sure they guest starred on The Love Boat and Fantasy Island.
Just a quick tip, I clicked on your video because I am familiar with the backstory. I didn't need the recap. I doubt anybody did.
Someone comments:"It's wrong."
Oh nothing just waiting for infographics to drop a video on the UFO/UAP stuff that’s been happening … 😩
What’s the show, that we have not seen?
Was the CIA ever involved in the case of the Zodiac Killer?
Was that the Birdman narrating one of the stories?
... before they had Netflix... 😂😂😂
@01:17:30 That's the logo for the Deutsche Bahn, not Deutsche Bank though..
I think the zodiac was a longshorman. We send delegates to Frisco from all over the west coast, Canada and Hawaii. Might explain why this just stopped, the person or persons did not get reelected to delegate position or retired...
@@CalPhotoGuy dude chill
@@floriduhgeorgia That reply landed on the wrong comment for some reason.
This is a 4 hr + video from Infographics show? I'll sleep tomorrow. 😅
19:22 they definitely watch money heist 😂😂😂
It happens years before Netflix
@@MrCrowley1914 then money heist was based on a true story 😂
Umm, no "Ice Cold Soda" available at the gas stations. They did not have that type of refrigeration yet, especially rurally. Not even for Bonnie and Clyde, sigh. Things could have been sooooo different if that gang only had the ability to have icy cold drinks, dontcha think?
The bank heist story is almost the same as the first season of money heist on Netflix maybe this is where they got the idea from?
10:07 for people waiting to see what the “cracked code” is instead of watching a literal 4 hour video.
Love the video but Jeez. 😂
Thank you! I was interested in the answer but not 4 f- hours! LOL
And they finessed free pizza. Wild.
Melvin Belly..??? I think the Zodiac was British.... He said several times in his cards and letters.. ¨Happy Christmas¨ which they say in the UK...not here in America...
You wrote down the correctly spelled letter but accidently spelled paradise wrong
The power of machine learning and A.I...
That had nothing to do with solving the so called ciphers, needed was pen and paper, they have wasted 12 million I heard. Instead of solving yourself which is very easy, send out in raw form to a language translator or linguist.
I thought they thought that the Zodiac was a US Sailor.
I don't think it is likely but what if you tried to use the symbols from the 348 and to the 2 others that are really short. If he was really lazy he might have used the same code.
I'm sure nobody has ever thought of that before.
Lol
With the amount of detail he had, I don't think he was lazy
That would’ve been the first thing they did lol
Congratulations, you just moved into the 3rd grade… look at you!
Melvin Belli is pronounced Bell-eye.
Hey infographics show- you know you can pick who can advertise during your videos, right? I guess that means you support your advertisers?
4 hours my goodness
I saw the 1967 Bonnie and Clyde movie on the TV in 1976. It was made in color and I dun watched in color.
That retired cop turned bank robber was a loser
14:24 so this is literally what the Netflix show Money Heist (Casa de Papel) got their plot from?
The decipher of this guy was fascinating and lifechanging for intelligence personal...strangely inspiring how to hide the shadows...but of course killers are horrific and should DIE on the dam chair or injection...I liked this video The Infographics Show yes!!!!👍😅
Walter watched money heist 😂
Throw them in ChatGPT
Came here to say this lol
To get a seven fingers zodiac
No, the road was not "nicknamed lovers lane." 10 seconds in and already a mistake.🙄
I'm not watching a 4 hour video to discover that the payoff is the serial killer equivalent of "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine".
I wonder what it's like going through life thinking I know everything. Tell me. Did you not notice the "and more crazy stories" part of the title? Did you really not investigate? You just decided you know what's going to happen?
@@CalPhotoGuy No, I read a 5 minute article on Zodiac's message instead of watching a 4 hour video, since I didn't care about "more crazy stories".
Half a century, not a decade
21:09 is this what money heist about?
4 hours NO! Break it up
Mark's prison guards deserve to get life in prison. He did nothing wrong.
Marks story is heartbreaking 💔
😢 i feel for him and other autistics brilliant minds who were misunderstood throughout history
Agreed! He was essentially imprisoned and tortured for being neurodivergent. None of that would've needed to happen if they'd just chilled the F out about the tools. I feel so sorry for him