I can't help but find this video to be wildly misguided. The only thing that will get you a proper path to becoming a good director is making (short) films. Podcasts?
It's an interesting topic, but your essay seems very disjointed and in the end, its own title becomes meaningless because you don't give many realistic examples of how to cross into the film industry. You gave 2 examples of podcasts, both by established Hollywood stars, not newbie storytellers. The podcast market has been oversaturated for several years now because everyone and their mother wants to try their luck, making it once again hard to break out without a very unique idea and a decent marketing budget.
Everything you do requires marketing and sales, that's a hustle you cannot avoid in any industry. As I understand, this was just suggesting a few alternatives to traditional paths to actually tell your stories, especially those with lower budgets, with a hope of getting noticed at some point. The whole film industry is oversaturated. A saturated market just means that it works well if you do it well, there is no shortcut.
@@Zenovation-zen Well the reason filmmakers rely on short films is because they can succeed at film festivals and gain recognition without expensive marketing, while also acting as a proof of concept for a feature film (as with Bottle Rocket, Whiplash or Babadook).
Agreed, and AI will also bring everyone and their mothers into every corner or audiovisual storytelling. In 10 years, the medium will be so densely populated with products that it will be virtually impossible for anything to get traction to the point of giving anyone a career. It will be, quite literally, akin to winning the lottery - completely out of your hands and just as improbable.
This whole thing feels Ai generated, i know the voice is ai 100%, im not sure about the script but i would guess that it was partially made with ai. Even the editing choices seem a little off at points and ai generated editing is a new thing so idk
not to mention the actual ai generated images used throughout. I just took a quick look through the channel, started 8 months ago, has an obviously ai generated bio, and some videos and shorts talking directly about ai and how it's the next step for filmaking
The reason short films don't lead to film careers much anymore is complicated and weird, but the primary one is that the industry has become more insulated by wealth than ever, and as a result, it's eating itself. But Film is not the Film Industry.
You've got it wrong. The aim of any audiovisual material is audience engagement. To promote a feature film it's necessary to engage and demonstrate potential. The industry is risk-averse, the executives want to know exactly what they are buying into. This is why proof of concept films are crucial for new dramatic storytelling talent.
I enjoyed your suggestions for alternative approaches to storytelling. Some good thoughts. I think getting your stories out there, in whatever form, and reaching/building an audience is the most important step. Take whatever you have, whatever works best for you, and find a way to tell stories with it. I am a little disappointed with your recommendation for using AI created voices. There are so many talented actors out there looking to collaborate and show their skills, why use software that has literally been built on stealing their voices? The best thing to bring to your stories is real human authenticity. Leave the artificial to the studios.
thank you for making this and sharing it. It inspires me as an older filmmaker who has been in the studio film industry for two decades as a first assistant director and wanting to experiment with my cinematic storytelling voice.
@@nitevibe9886 I was coaching gymnastics and one of the mothers said, "would you like to be a PA for my manager (she was a singer). I was an office PA for him and he promoted me to prod coordinator on an Energizer Bunny commercial which is where I caught the bug for production and then I applied an got into the Directors Guild of America Training Program and after finishing, got into the DGA and then pursued my assistant directing career.
LOL. Essay films and narrative podcasts are very different from conventional films. Just because you are good at making essay films and podcasts does not mean you can also make a good feature film. There are a lot to learn to make a film. Filmmaking is combination of all art forms and way more harder than you think. So the only way to become a filmmaker is to make films after films, whether it is short or feature. There is no alternative. You will know how making a real film is so much differnt from making essay films and podcasts when u start making one. Grab a camera and make one ,dude. Stop bulffing on internet.
Agreed. Conventional films require practice upon practice to learn. Each film whether a short or feature teaches you and your crew a gillizion things. Some of what not to do and some of what to keep doing. It's sad that people think they can't or shouldn't make short films because they don't make money. And yeah, they don't really, but they pay in experience and connections you build with cast and crew. Film shouldn't just be about what works financially in the modern mediascape.
seriously such a goofy ass video like..."short films dont matter as much anymore cause internet and digital platforms, so try making youtube video essays!" like what?
Well except this wasn't about getting better at your craft, but more about attracting attention. You have to admit, even if you make a decent movie, unless you brand it very well, it might never get the recognition that you'd like.
@@bluebirdproducts-pro Yes that's true. I think there are alternate paths to making movies these days; you CAN just buildup a RUclips audience and then get that audience to fund your movies, many people have done it - RLM, Cinemassacre, ect. - but usually, the movies don't turn out very well (although there are some exceptions). It's very hard to build and maintain a RUclips channel and a social media presence and still have time to do pretty much anything else well, but I'm sure we'll see someone properly pull it off someday.
Everything here that was said is brilliant and it was a phenomenal video ,but please do not use A.I. voices . Find voice actors there are plenty out here begging for work, socialize and explore .
Bro case 63 is a chilean podcast; that i think got translated and remaked but i think it’s important to draw attention to the original ‘cause i think is the best fiction made in chile so it deserves the praises
I appreciate your advices, but I’m a little confused on what your overall intention is. If people want to express themselves through different art forms and they don’t know which ones, or they do know but they’re afraid they’re not popular art forms, that’s one topic. If people know for a fact that film is the art form they want and they’re afraid they won’t get the chance to make a feature, that’s another topic. If an aspiring filmmaker makes projects similar to the examples in this video, that will get them “noticed”, but will it be a ticket to enter the industry? Will the higher-ups watch those projects and believe that the creator is the right fit to make a film?
You could've easily mentioned making no-budget features too. Tubi filmmakers are killing it and making money while they are at it. They are shooting their movies with no budget. Sure, most of them are awful. But if you have talent and experience, maybe you can make something that can also attract the attention of decision-makers.
This was great! I think short films are still an amazing way to hone your craft and meet other filmmakers at festivals, but I hear you on the evolving array of options we have. RUclips is just as valid as a festival and you might get a lot more eyeballs on your work that way anyway. I made a 5-episode narrative podcast called "Battle of the Bald" during the pandemic to stay creative and it was a really fun medium to explore. If anyone's a fan of the form, I'd love for you to check it out.
Interesting thoughts here, except for one thing. Wilson's show was canceled over a year ago because it couldn't perform. So yeah finding alternative forms of storytelling is great but you still have to engage an audience longterm. Clearly his concept didn't translate well to the audience he was asked to entertain.
make films to make films, industry as it once was is no more, do it for the art no matter the length or exposure. Stop trying to break into an industry that breaks you.
A tad bit unfair. When your short film has Brendan Gleeson or any Name actor you have a leg up but most people won't have access or the finances to hire a pro actor of this caliber
Well, you can still make the short film. Just don't do it for the money or to get noticed. Do it for the art of it. For the beauty of it, man. I still make short films and am a big advocate for doing them. Each one teaches you a ton about filmmaking. But yeah, the media landscape is always changing.
the canvas of thinking about audiovisual design and storytelling needs to be expanded, the tag of "filmmaker" and "industry" and "crew" is often a excuse of lack of skill and status seeking behavior. Don't worry if you are a person of skill, industry will come to you. They definitely came to influencers. If your limitation cannot show potential, nor will abundance. Great video,
This video has literally changed my life. I'm going to be a LOT more picky about what I click on from now on.
I can't help but find this video to be wildly misguided. The only thing that will get you a proper path to becoming a good director is making (short) films. Podcasts?
It's an interesting topic, but your essay seems very disjointed and in the end, its own title becomes meaningless because you don't give many realistic examples of how to cross into the film industry. You gave 2 examples of podcasts, both by established Hollywood stars, not newbie storytellers. The podcast market has been oversaturated for several years now because everyone and their mother wants to try their luck, making it once again hard to break out without a very unique idea and a decent marketing budget.
Everything you do requires marketing and sales, that's a hustle you cannot avoid in any industry. As I understand, this was just suggesting a few alternatives to traditional paths to actually tell your stories, especially those with lower budgets, with a hope of getting noticed at some point. The whole film industry is oversaturated. A saturated market just means that it works well if you do it well, there is no shortcut.
@@Zenovation-zen Well the reason filmmakers rely on short films is because they can succeed at film festivals and gain recognition without expensive marketing, while also acting as a proof of concept for a feature film (as with Bottle Rocket, Whiplash or Babadook).
Agreed, and AI will also bring everyone and their mothers into every corner or audiovisual storytelling. In 10 years, the medium will be so densely populated with products that it will be virtually impossible for anything to get traction to the point of giving anyone a career. It will be, quite literally, akin to winning the lottery - completely out of your hands and just as improbable.
This whole thing feels Ai generated, i know the voice is ai 100%, im not sure about the script but i would guess that it was partially made with ai. Even the editing choices seem a little off at points and ai generated editing is a new thing so idk
not to mention the actual ai generated images used throughout. I just took a quick look through the channel, started 8 months ago, has an obviously ai generated bio, and some videos and shorts talking directly about ai and how it's the next step for filmaking
Just make sure Nathan Fielder discovers you and you're all set.
Don't listen to these comments, the video was informative, you have great storytelling, Musica and editiong
The reason short films don't lead to film careers much anymore is complicated and weird, but the primary one is that the industry has become more insulated by wealth than ever, and as a result, it's eating itself.
But Film is not the Film Industry.
They lead to careers if the right people see them.
You've got it wrong. The aim of any audiovisual material is audience engagement. To promote a feature film it's necessary to engage and demonstrate potential. The industry is risk-averse, the executives want to know exactly what they are buying into. This is why proof of concept films are crucial for new dramatic storytelling talent.
I enjoyed your suggestions for alternative approaches to storytelling. Some good thoughts. I think getting your stories out there, in whatever form, and reaching/building an audience is the most important step. Take whatever you have, whatever works best for you, and find a way to tell stories with it.
I am a little disappointed with your recommendation for using AI created voices. There are so many talented actors out there looking to collaborate and show their skills, why use software that has literally been built on stealing their voices? The best thing to bring to your stories is real human authenticity. Leave the artificial to the studios.
thank you for making this and sharing it. It inspires me as an older filmmaker who has been in the studio film industry for two decades as a first assistant director and wanting to experiment with my cinematic storytelling voice.
May I ask for a hint of how you got in the industry back then?
@@nitevibe9886 I was coaching gymnastics and one of the mothers said, "would you like to be a PA for my manager (she was a singer). I was an office PA for him and he promoted me to prod coordinator on an Energizer Bunny commercial which is where I caught the bug for production and then I applied an got into the Directors Guild of America Training Program and after finishing, got into the DGA and then pursued my assistant directing career.
the loaf of bread thing had me dying
How to with John Wilson is incredible
LOL. Essay films and narrative podcasts are very different from conventional films. Just because you are good at making essay films and podcasts does not mean you can also make a good feature film. There are a lot to learn to make a film. Filmmaking is combination of all art forms and way more harder than you think. So the only way to become a filmmaker is to make films after films, whether it is short or feature. There is no alternative.
You will know how making a real film is so much differnt from making essay films and podcasts when u start making one. Grab a camera and make one ,dude. Stop bulffing on internet.
Agreed. Conventional films require practice upon practice to learn. Each film whether a short or feature teaches you and your crew a gillizion things. Some of what not to do and some of what to keep doing. It's sad that people think they can't or shouldn't make short films because they don't make money. And yeah, they don't really, but they pay in experience and connections you build with cast and crew. Film shouldn't just be about what works financially in the modern mediascape.
I agree, I'm in the middle of making a short film right now and I've already learned so much compared to just making goofy RUclips videos.
seriously such a goofy ass video like..."short films dont matter as much anymore cause internet and digital platforms, so try making youtube video essays!" like what?
Well except this wasn't about getting better at your craft, but more about attracting attention. You have to admit, even if you make a decent movie, unless you brand it very well, it might never get the recognition that you'd like.
@@bluebirdproducts-pro Yes that's true. I think there are alternate paths to making movies these days; you CAN just buildup a RUclips audience and then get that audience to fund your movies, many people have done it - RLM, Cinemassacre, ect. - but usually, the movies don't turn out very well (although there are some exceptions). It's very hard to build and maintain a RUclips channel and a social media presence and still have time to do pretty much anything else well, but I'm sure we'll see someone properly pull it off someday.
on thesis before 1:34! i say short films are not short enough yet
Indeed, podcast are more than getways. They valid impactful artforms in their own right..... I still rather do movies though.
John's series is what I would save if there ever was an apocalypse. Its a huge peace of life.
Absolutely BRILLIANT video! Looking forward to the future videos!
Everything here that was said is brilliant and it was a phenomenal video ,but please do not use A.I. voices . Find voice actors there are plenty out here begging for work, socialize and explore .
Bro case 63 is a chilean podcast; that i think got translated and remaked but i think it’s important to draw attention to the original ‘cause i think is the best fiction made in chile so it deserves the praises
Genuinely inspiring video. Good stuff!
Missed opportunity at 6:07 . He should've said "There's the show. That's the show."
So how did Nathan find John and why do I get the feeling John already had connections to Nathan before even starting his little experiment?
absolutely love it!
Fantastic!
2:19, that's literally across from my old job, ahaha.
What are the chances haha
Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleason are an amazing duo
Very good video. Thank you for this work. It opens the eyes to other directions of storytelling! THX
I appreciate your advices, but I’m a little confused on what your overall intention is. If people want to express themselves through different art forms and they don’t know which ones, or they do know but they’re afraid they’re not popular art forms, that’s one topic. If people know for a fact that film is the art form they want and they’re afraid they won’t get the chance to make a feature, that’s another topic. If an aspiring filmmaker makes projects similar to the examples in this video, that will get them “noticed”, but will it be a ticket to enter the industry? Will the higher-ups watch those projects and believe that the creator is the right fit to make a film?
Im going straight to Tubi!
exciting!
silly me, I just needed to live in NY and get noticed by nathan fielder. Or make a podcast(?)
still, nice video
class video
Thank u so much
You could've easily mentioned making no-budget features too. Tubi filmmakers are killing it and making money while they are at it. They are shooting their movies with no budget. Sure, most of them are awful. But if you have talent and experience, maybe you can make something that can also attract the attention of decision-makers.
brilliant piece
This was great! I think short films are still an amazing way to hone your craft and meet other filmmakers at festivals, but I hear you on the evolving array of options we have. RUclips is just as valid as a festival and you might get a lot more eyeballs on your work that way anyway. I made a 5-episode narrative podcast called "Battle of the Bald" during the pandemic to stay creative and it was a really fun medium to explore. If anyone's a fan of the form, I'd love for you to check it out.
You used a clip of people making a horror movie. It looked good, what's it from?
@@ray-mc-l Final Cut (2022)
I feel so sorry for those who don't speak Portuguese and can't understand what NerdCast de RPG is.
Man what’s the name of the track playing in background? Love it
The takeaway....watch RUclips less, film more, figure it out in editing.
Тhanks super
Interesting thoughts here, except for one thing. Wilson's show was canceled over a year ago because it couldn't perform. So yeah finding alternative forms of storytelling is great but you still have to engage an audience longterm. Clearly his concept didn't translate well to the audience he was asked to entertain.
make films to make films, industry as it once was is no more, do it for the art no matter the length or exposure. Stop trying to break into an industry that breaks you.
Need money
"One Cut of The Dead"
A tad bit unfair. When your short film has Brendan Gleeson or any Name actor you have a leg up but most people won't have access or the finances to hire a pro actor of this caliber
I can’t believe he just suggested people use AI actors
Yeahh, no, do short films
just make original stuff. if its good, someone will notice...
Cool
"if you want to become a filmmaker, don't make a film, make a podcast" bro listen to yourself are you kidding me lol
i'm not sure what i learned from this video
Կեցցես՝ բալես❤️😘👏👏👏👏
?
Thanks for saving my life yesterday night I was planning to make short film now times have changed to get noticed
Well, you can still make the short film. Just don't do it for the money or to get noticed. Do it for the art of it. For the beauty of it, man. I still make short films and am a big advocate for doing them. Each one teaches you a ton about filmmaking. But yeah, the media landscape is always changing.
❤
Bullshit. Just make a movie show it in cinemas and make as much money as you can.
the canvas of thinking about audiovisual design and storytelling needs to be expanded, the tag of "filmmaker" and "industry" and "crew" is often a excuse of lack of skill and status seeking behavior. Don't worry if you are a person of skill, industry will come to you. They definitely came to influencers. If your limitation cannot show potential, nor will abundance. Great video,
Are you using an ai voice? Cause you sounds amazing otherwise
🤯
Who are you to dictate the process? Genuine question.
Who are you to dictate the process ?
@@koira1 I must have missed the part where I did that.
@@itsjoelconnell I must have missed the part .
I must have missed the fart
*braaappppppp*