RV Companies are Going Bankrupt and You Can Get a Hell of a Deal
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rv's didnt exactly do themselves any favors either. they couldve made all the plubming and electrical parts things you could buy at home depot, but no, they had to make them all proprietary parts that you can only buy through them for a way more expensive price. they made them harder to work on, more expensive to own and repair, and now nobody wants them anymore. GOOD!
Yeah, and Jeep thinks it is making G-Wagons.
Hey scott can you review the upcoming Toyota stout
Hey Scotty, love your channel and the information you give us. Im looking to buy my first diesel truck from Chevy. The 1500 3.0L. Im a little nervous because it will be my daily. Should I just get the gas version?
may friend I have a 2011 dodge caravan and my Kenwood aftermarket radio stopped working says offset error and have no radio you have any clue what it could be? i looked on line and it says something like speakers ground or something just need more input thanks.
As a lifetime RVer, mostly motorhomes, I can't contest anything Scotty says. Then again, I know what I'm getting into when I buy one. People either buy them knowing that they will get lousy gas mileage and will need constant maintenance, or they buy one and it becomes an expensive ornament. I have 3 kids and 4 dogs, including a mastiff. Hotels/airplanes/packed cars aren't really an option for me. I love having my own bed and my own full kitchen (it's small but better than the silly "kitchenettes" in hotels) and so do my kids. We can wake up in the morning and have a bowl of cereal or make some bacon and biscuits without having to trudge downstairs to a "continental" breakfast. We pull a truck behind it so that we can park in an RV park and go wherever we want on a trip. In a worst-case, late-night scenario, we can boondock in a rest area or a Walmart parking lot. Every hotel I have ever stayed in made me sick, including some pretty expensive ones. At least I know my motorhome is clean. Most hotels don't even wash the comforters when they change the bedding!
Yeah, I work on it a lot and it sucks up a lot of gas, but I saved a bundle by buying one of the aforementioned ornaments out of someone's yard for cheap and I wouldn't trade it for a lifetime of hotel rooms.
My parents has a 32ft when I was little.. in the late 80s, early 90s. my dad towed it with his 77 ford LTD, eventually the camper stayed at a campround in ringe,nh. Some of my best memories are weekends there, you just sparked my memory when you mentioned making breakfast,lol
Yeah but u know how to fix it. I know nothing about fixing cars.
@@JustanotherLisa FWIW, I have done almost no work to the truck portion of my 2001 Southwind, which is built on a 2000 Ford F550 chassis. Most of the work is on the coach, which is more like working on your house than a car. RV life isn't for everyone, but it's a lot of fun if you are handy enough to tinker with it when it needs it.
I'm with you on this. I own a class A diesel. Only way to travel.
Always spill a little something on your hotel bedding so they must wash it all.
I think it's comical how they mass produce RV's then they sit on the lot rotting away and expect to charge ridiculous prices for them! We talked camping world down almost $ 9,000 in less than a day! We gave them our offer and they said they couldn't sell it that cheap so we walked out. Two hours later the salesman called us and said they had a change of heart, lol. Needless to say we are now the proud (possibly stupid) owners of a new 2016 jayco greyhawk. Now we understand the phrase "the only thing that works all the time on an RV is it's owners"
a "new" 2016... lmao
I got my travel trailer from Back to the Future travel trailer Industries
Camping World is the worst dealer to get an RV from...
Camping World....Worse place they could have gone. Choose an RV dealer that has local connections.
Greyhawks have a really nice interior, they look awesome!
Former Jayco employee here.
I can't speak to the quality of other trailer brands (though I imagine it's much the same) but I used to help build the travel trailers. They're built by hand on an assembly line that takes probably a half hour per trailer, and are built to look fancy and shiny, but are extremely cheaply built.
About the only thing I would expect to last more than a few years is the metal trailer frame it sits on.
Unless you can get them massively discounted like Scotty says and only plan to have it for a couple years or are willing to deal with constant repairs after that, I would NOT advise buying one.
Well, I've heard of more recent quality issues but our 1st 5th wheel (30' long) was trouble free for the 10 years we owned it. It's replacement, also 10 years old at this point, has had a few more niggles but has never stranded us or needed major repairs. Over the last 25 years of RVing we have enjoyed them thoroughly and have gone to locations near and far. Yes, it's more expensive than finding motels but we have all the comforts we need right with us and sleep in our own bed when we do. Besides, we often go to areas where there are no motels and back right up to a beautiful view of the ocean, mountains, and rivers. If you don't like the life, don't do it.
Who makes a decent trailer?
I've seen a movement of people buying toy haulers and doing builds/modifications and a lot of times, the layouts are actually really nice.
Just because the people that make them or have others build them out, have good flooring or insulation. I can see carpentars and electricians and such have a boom if people could afford to pay for a good buildout instead.
@@Jaxboy86 Airstream and Lance are pretty good. Pretty pricey too.
@@AO-mx9tk jesus christ. Ive always wanted a pull behind camper. But my god. $63k for a 20'. Nope.
Buy a school bus at auction for 2-3k, put a floor down, a bed or hammocks, and a generator and you’re good to go 👍🏻. Ultimate weekend warrior
You nailed it Scotty. They build them like houses with solid copper romex and osb subflooring and ZERO protection. If there's ANY small leak, expect to rip out half the floor. Looking at how RVs are built coming from the boating world, I am SHOCKED to see problems that have been solved for hundreds of years on a boat. Cheap solutions on keeping water out, electrical running safely, and walls sturdy.
Boats are way more expensive. And require as much maintenance as an RV,if not more.
To buy a 30' yacht will cost double what a badass 5th wheel or pusher costs.
@@tommyguns14able Disagree. You can buy a pretty big boat for the price of entry level Class A RVs, and a really nice boat for the price of a entry level diesel RV. And they'll be made of fiberglass and marine plywood and are built to handle bumpy seas.
These RVs are built with the cheapest OSB the manufacturer can source, and they don't last. I'm literally ripping out the floor of my RV next weekend because of a interior freshwater leak. They used Pex cinch crimps instead of pex ring/propex crimps. Insane! Why cheap out on that? How much could it possibly save per $100k RV?
@@meatmwaxall you do is complain.
Boats have had electrical for hundreds of years?
If you mean the RV industry is overstocked, as well as over priced. You are correct sir !!!.
They're overpriced and overstocked and the public is over it.
and the new RVs are crap. Simply crap. Assembled very shoddily with cheap parts.
If? You mustn't have watched the video. IDK how anyone could interpret what he said any other way.....LOL
It's SOOOO overpriced. New rvs starting at 400k...
RV companies that use to produce quality are building absolute garbage.
Scotty the wife and I love ya , Here is our story on rv s ... we both have had problems with our health , me heart attacks and back problems and my wife other problems with health so that we cant work and we rely on s s and as everyone knows it isnt much so we could not keep up with rental cost that kept going up every year ... so we purchased an rv to live in ... used older with 120,000 miles on it we call it elvis ! everything works the heater electric or propane same with hot water ,stove and refridge /ac / and engine v 10 ford that is a beast that gets 11 miles p gal.! We have lived in it for 2 yrs now and we save money as we live in a park that is so quiet you can hear your heart beat 330 a month plus electric free ice and hottest showers on the west coast free! good wifi FREE! we eat very well fresh Fish lingcod /halibut / crab dungeones and we can afford the little things because we dont have to worry about saving up to move /first /last/ blah blah . the people are nice and the weather is perfect so just letting you and others know this life is GREAT!
Good for you!!! Hoping to make a good life for myself soon too!!!
Sounds nice, where is it located?
That kind of life is available and many are living that way. My class A is my "summer" home. I love it. Seasonal rent is good, everything works inside and very spacious.
$330/month is highly unusual and reflects lot rent maybe 10yrs ago. Now you're likely to pay $600-$1,000. That's typically without water or electric. In popular/desirable areas expect to pay minimum $1k/month. All that just for a slab to park your rv on.
@@bumponlog I paid $1995 for 12 mos and that includes water but not electricity. There are inexpensive places with monthly rents that include water. Those places are out there but will depend and vary by location, of course. I'm a member of a club that charges under $400 a month.
I think I will stick to my 20 year old RV. It is still holding up fine.
Me Too!
Same here 🕺🏾🙂
What brand / model / year is it?
It's the same with new & used vehicles - even though they are all sitting on the lot & nobody is buying, they will not lower their absurd prices to get rid of them. I will not feel sorry for these greedy companies when they go under. Screw them, since that's what they have been doing to us.
Amen
Greedy companies is right teach them a lesson for all the years screwing over there customers
So you got a problem with capitalism?? 😂😂😂
It’s so true. It’s basic business practice. Can’t sell it? Lower the price !!! Move it out !
@@JP-ho6zc capitalism is making smart business. How is holding on to old inventory smart business
The opening pic shows a new rv for $3,000. Show me where this is sold!
Exactly 💯
What blows my mind is how much RV's depreciate, I see 70k dollar 5th wheel RV's sell for 25k 10 years later, pretty wild. If I bought one I wouldn't buy new.
Because the ten year rule at rv parks
@@r.s.customz1502 That's an interesting point
Could be that they aren’t welcome at some parks if older, and that many say that RVs are made to look good in the show room but with no care for everything breaking and leaking in a few years.
So that 10 year old RV may need never-ending repairs to electrical, water, roof, floor, engine, etc.
Truck campers don’t follow this at all, decade old units will only self for like 15-35% under msrp.
Granted, they usually have better build quality but still. You just can’t win haha.
I've been rving for over 40 years. Yes they cost money buying them and keeping them up. If you buy used and are handy then they are not so bad. Buy smaller, less thrills units and you'll be better off. ENJOY the outdoors so you really don't need huge rvs unless you are living in it.... Best rule of thumb.. LEARN HOW TO WORK ON THEM YOURSELVES!
Yup. Even better, build it from the trailer up, by yourself. That way you KNOW what has gone into it, that it's been done right, and know how to fix it when it fails.
RV's are like excersize equipment. Expensive to buy and when you try to sell them, you can't give 'em away!
good analogy
😂
Or spas
We bought a brand new 32 foot fifth wheel two years ago- for $29,000- that we only use 2 winter months of each year-in a different state-and we dont drive it ourselves bec we dont own an expensive truck. WE PAY $100 TO HAVE IT HAULED back and forth from storage to campground then campground to storage by a private guy that owns a truck. Simple solution. Storage fees are very inexpensive too. He sets it up for us at the campground so when we arrive after a 2 day drive in our SUV; its ready to live in. Esasy peasy. Its our wonderful vaca every year. And well worth every penny.
a unique approach and very interesting
We bought our Jayco Whitehawk 24mbh brand new from an RV show back in 2015. I knew buying it, that it was built poorly like a Cracker Jack box and it is but back then you could get trailers anywhere from 25%-30% off the listed sale price. That discount was talked about on all the forums that my wife and I would do our research from, it was almost like as if it was a rule.
We still have that little trailer and aside from a few trim issues and a leaky sink it’s has never left us stranded! I love that trailer still but I’d be damned if I was going to pay $60k plus for the same size trailer today! We paid $26k
Nice!
Everything is going bankrupt. Why? Greed. Usually when a company starts is sensible but they get to big and greedy corporates ruins everything
People like nmuchin and trump steal from companies and profit from planned bankruptcy (this is, of course, a felony), Wrecking company and country (ours). They think it's funny.
My 2002 big tag axle diesel pusher is built like a vault and has a yacht quality high grain hardwood interior. No egr, no dpf, no def. No fiber optic cables. No multiplex wiring, no computers. Just a big 500hp cummins. Its just a beast.
What make is your diesel pusher ? ? Wanna sell it to me ? Lol 😝 👍
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I feel we have it a little different here in Australia. The way we look a freedom is different for a start. Our RV owner love having other Rv ppl around them. We have communities. Ppl swap radio and phone contacts and invite each other on tourers.
It's that way here in the U.S. too. People who aren't RV die-hards just don't get it, and that's fine.
Same here in USA. It is a community and a lifestyle. You pull in and find 200 people with disposable income. No poverty. No worries (we left them at home). Extra beverages and a good time is going to follow
just getting finished with 25 years of motorcycle adventure camping...us/ canada.. dual sport 400 cc... 50 mpg... single track, open desert. forests, hot springs... good times...for the youngsters.
My fam suprised me with a 2009 forest river trailer that was just sitting at my uncles for free.
Gonna set it up so i can boondock for a few years then sell it when im ready to buy a house.
Beats paying almost 20k a year on rent
I just bought a good used camper at a great price. Gonna boondock it after I put into it what I want😊
Makes sense. If people can't afford a new F150, they can't afford an RV.
Or buying both😳😳😳 You're looking at financing 180 to 250K at what 10 percent or more? 😳😳😳😳
Part of that has to do with corporate greed-driven inflation. However, coupled with that is the giant surplus of nearly 50 thousand F150s that sat a couple of years ago due to the microchip shortage that then flooded the market with pickup trucks once those chips became available.
Second hand market is outrageous atm, people want 8k+ for vehicles that look like a hand grenade went off in them "i know what i got"
Inflation and low wage growth is not encouraging people to spend on any big purchases. Housing market has slowed down too
I’ve recently learned that in my area , people can’t afford my 1986 f150
Having lived life on the road for multiple years, you want stealth above all else: either a van or box truck, or even a hatchback like a Prius. No campground fees, no driving 20-30-40-60 minutes to nearest available campground after a long tiring day. Just pull into any parking lot or park on curb and go to sleep. If you want the campground experience you can do that whenever you want and plan ahead for good deals, or get a hotel every few days and recharge, etc.
ATV for ice cream trips to town on snowmobile trails.😉🙂
True....though wonder why Nikki Delventhal got tired of the Prius life and now has a huge Sprinter 4X4.....
A tear drop is the ticket
Agreed. I would never buy an RV when you can get a camper van that's kitted out the same as a small RV.
If I was going to use a hatch, it'd be a honda fit,but yea
As a full timer let me just say... It could not happen to a better industry. Happy New Year everyone and may you be blessed with a deal of a lifetime.
Thank you !!! I certainly am looking 😊
I am an RV tech at camping world and.....we sell the chepaer brands jayco, keystone, heartland. And man ill tell you their all junk every one of them. Go for brands like grand design for "cheaper" or airstream for a bunker pull. The cheaper "lighter" campers are junk. I literally have to start fixing them as soon as they come in "brand new"
The secret here is, and you said it, they trick someone into buying an RV that cost $2,500 to make, for $25,000, therefore they can now afford to let the other nine RV's rot in a field for scrap. Jewelers do the same- you only have to sell a few $1,300 diamond wedding rings for $35,000 to a sucker to pay the bills each year.
This is a thing I believe. It only has to stand out a little from crowd to get primo $$$
It's why supercars and luxury cars cost hundreds of thousands if not millions. Nobody buys them but a select few, but all they have to sell is a couple dozen of them.
They cost more than $2500 to make.
Exactly, that 35k ring has about 500 worth of metal and stone.
The thousands of motorhomes sitting in the lots are already sold waiting for warranty service.
That is no lie lol
My dad bought a Thorr and he had to wait 5 months before someone could get to it at the warranty department. If he drove it off he would lose his place in line. Insane
@@rafyfukinl unfortunately that's one of the worst brands he could have bought.
@@rafyfukinl That is why you shouldn't buy any RV. Lemon law protections do not apply. RV manufacturers obviously know this, and are definitely using it to their advantage.
Owning an RV is a way of life. I love RV'ing. Not sure what Scotty says about not having freedom. Mobility mobility..... As far as the financial side of things........if making a profit or breaking even on everything you buy is important to you, then DO NOT buy an RV. Not a good financial decision. IN fact, it is a bad one. But if traveling and memories you experience can outweigh the money aspect for you, then it may be for you. For the price I paid I can go to Europe a few times a year and stay in an AirBnB. If you have the money and you can carve it out and consider a very large chunk of it gone in depreciation and maintenance and fuel and be ok with it for the memories and experience, then I'd say go for it.
I always think it’s funny when people talk about depreciation of RV’s. When you go on a regular vacation you don’t get that money back either. You buy the experience you pay for and the memories you make. Can we really put a price on that?
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You would think the RV industry would be booming since people can’t afford homes.
@cv2010u........ LOTS of folks are loosing their homes. LOTS of people NOT able to afford to buy a home. I've noticed more people living in RVs. I think Scotty's wrong on this one.
@@VILLANELLE-gx8hrwell he’s not wrong on the quality part. That much I can assure you. I’ve owned RVs from Coachman, Montana and Cedar Creek and they may LOOK nice but definitely are not designed to last long or be lived in full time. Sold mine a few years ago and definitely won’t be buying another.
The people your talking about can't afford a lot so they park on the street. They are passing laws to stop this but the laws will affect everybody putting even more pressure on people to GET RID OF THEM!
You can't park it anywhere.
I'd park it in a trailer park and use all my foodstamps to by crack 😅
Extremely expensive - a horrible financial decision, but memories with my kids make it worth every penny. I went into a very pricey '22 diesel pusher knowing this was the case. My goal is to get 12-15 years of use (until my kids are through HS), have it paid off and still have some resale value left - that would be a huge W. So far I'm 15 months in and already 18 trips, mostly to southern California state beaches. Ocean front sites for $50-$60/night. Awesome memories are tough to put a price on. Just make sure you are a DIY type. No matter how expensive the coach, theres always minor repairs and maintenance to be done!
Never own anything like this. Not RV's, not boats, not fancy motor cars.
They're all five minute wonders. They're a burden by the ten minute mark.
Rent it. Always rent. For a week. That's it.
@@Bernard-ux2eb Lol....who hurt you man?
@@skinnerMTB Just been through a year of selling off all the crap I amassed over the years on eBay. This has left an indelible mark of pain and suffering and a hard lesson in only buy what you really need. Keep it simple.
Own land. Own houses. Own gold and silver and platinum. But don't own boats and RV's and all that *frivolous stuff. Rent such toys for the five minute wonders they are.
*Motorbikes are exempt.
@@Bernard-ux2eb I own those things too. I guess my point is that "frivolous" things are not frivolous if the time you spend using them is worth it to you. I've found that people who hate RVs are those who bought them, never used them, were not prepared for the cost, and ultimately ended up despising them.
@@skinnerMTB I think this applies to absolutely everything.
We've been through an age of rampant material consumption off the back of unsustainable debt. If you're rich and an RV is like pocket change, okay, but many people go into debt for this stuff because the marketing man sells them a lifestyle they can't afford and haven't got the time for anyway.
All this stuff becomes a burden. Purgatory in paradise.
It was the same for me with photo gear. All this stuff became a burden to the point I hated it.
Anyway, you brought me good luck. The last lens just sold an hour ago. Took a year!
This is what makes me lean more towards buying a van high roof and building it out for $10-15k. The van itself can be pricy though. However, I’d imagine it’s cheaper in the long run since you won’t be paying for rv parks but stealth camping instead.
This is why people buy old Box Trucks, leave the outside untouched and no windows. Then inside its wall to wall wood with the nicest interior you could imagine. They do this to hide from cops and the government so they can take trips with minimal harassment. Traveler laws protect you as long as you are moving. It's when travelers STOP Moving that the trouble begins.
My parents bought a big old camper about 10 years ago. Lifelong campers, they were so happy and excited to finally live the dream 😅
Then they learned the joys of RV parks ( no pass thru, close quarters). And even though they took meticulous care of that beast, wouldn’t you know it, the roof seams 😮melted😮 as the RV baked in the southern summer sun. Leaks started showing up, so they took it get repaired. That took months and there were damages during the repair. It was such a money pit, and I felt bad they had to learn that the hard way.
My Dad told me that the mobile home we grew up in was put together better than that RV 😂
The mistake they made is not resealing that roof beforehand with a quality sealant, assuming they bought it used.
Hey Scotty here’s a strange one for you.
I moved from NC and heavy packed my Ford Focus. Once I got here, the car ran horrible. In the early morning, the cars transmission would not shift. But in the afternoon it shifted fine. Took three days to finds out why. When I overloaded to trunk, my junk shifted the wire harness around the deck lid hinge. It ended up shorting that harness into the body. In the mornings, I could shift gears with my light switch. Lol. One evening we we taking out the groceries and when shutting the trunk I happened to see a little spark. I fixed the harness and shifted it out of the way. Car ran fine from then until I replaced it years later. Love your show brother
You do have good points. The reality may depend on other factors. My wife and I with our big dog drove our RV 1800 miles round trip pulling a tow. We stayed at some fraternal organizations lots and next to motels. The final bill of expenses was much less than flying. Now the downside was the time, but we are retired. The dog come along. We had transport when we arrived with the tow. We have calculated ownership since this is number 20+ RVs we have owned. Last one traded with 100K miles on the V-10 engine. Our cost is at $500 per month considering purchase, trade, insurance, services, repair, and covered storage. We never buy new. 8 years old is what we look for with low mileage. This one had 9700 miles at purchase from a dealer. We’ve had lots of Class C units. This one is a Class A under 30’. Enjoy your channel…
Hard pass on the RV money pit. They're even expensive when they're free.
even owning a small airplane is that so expensive.
Kept an old ( 75 maybe?) Pace Arrow motorhome in my back yard for company to stay in , many yrs ago, the guy who owned it, went from $10,000.00 sale price, to , just take it . I was like no thx, just let me know when you find a taker. He sold it eventually.
Here locally people rent these old rv’s out and park on the streets for free…
@@treeguyable Parked vehicles tend to "green over" when left stationary for extended periods.
Someone gave me a minivan that left sitting under a tree for years. I got it to run, but I had to replace the interior from all of that mold and mildew.
@@wisenber Yea, it wasn't even bad, inside or out, just didn't want the headaches.
RV's are "American" made, sad that there is not greater pride in the quality of workmanship. RVing is a lifestyle & not for everyone. Personally, we love it!
It's not the 'maker' you have to worry about, it's the owner of the maker's company.
All about. Profit”
My neighbor bought one, it’s a lawn ornament or an eyesore I think. They used it the first year or two and now just sits there. Two happiest days of your life, one when you buy a boat and the other when you sell it
VW 2.5 engine is very reliable and good. The Buick 3.6 engine is probably the best engine, most reliable engine the American car companies have created since the late 1980’s.
RVs are great if you can take care of them. If you have to pay someone, forget it. But they can be good. Just can't overpay and also can't buy one with still a ton of depreciation to go. You have to buy an old one where it's at the bottom of the depreciation. That's the smart thing to do. There's sooooo many gems for $25,000
Unbelievable how nice some of them are.
Agree, some nice ones if you go even lower too!!
Exacty right. I bought a very much older class A last year. Solid as a rock, though dated. All RV's require maintenance but those who buy older, better built ones, and either don't mind the dated interior or re-do the inside, can get a lot of bang for the buck. You can even repaint the outside if you are willing to go to that effort. I've seen "old" RV's rehabbed into looking brand new.
Just what I always wanted to do: buy a vehicle that loses 65% of its value once I drive it off a lot and gets 8 mpg.
Some of those big ones are a million dollars and up. At that point, money is obviously not a concern for those people.
It's a house on wheels.. 😂😂😂
It's a tax deduction.
I get closer to 12 in my 35' class A, except when I pull my Dakota. Then it's 9-10 across flat ground and 7-8 in hilly areas.
@@larrydickman6016 Only if you register it in a place like Montana under an LLC. Worth it, if you have the resources. I don't bother because mine isn't that expensive.
All the RV lots are FULL here in southern Utah, Agree with you about hotels to a point, but sometimes it can be difficult to find one, especially those that are pet friendly
Saw hundreds of RVs sitting in the 100 degree flawda sun waiting for nobody to buy them.
If they want to sell them they could reduce the price to less than the price of a car.
My wife and I thought about an RV. Glad it didn't go any further than that.
You dodged a bullet
Rent one when you want to RV.
Same here
I know a family who bought one brand new... 26k. For the first year they didn't get to use it... because the dang thing was in the shop. You name it and it was breaking or broken. They'd get it back and it either wasn't actually fixed or would quickly break again. Then something else would break. They had a fight on their hands to get the dealership to listen to and work with them as well. It was a mess! SMH
I also know a couple who bought an expensive fifth wheel. Off the dealership lot the thing costs more than my house 😲... and I don't live in a shack. They wanted to sell but no one would buy... and they were willing to take about a 50% loss.
Both of these were also the same people who laughed and sneared at me for buying a used Honda Civic when they were buying expensive and outrageous to repair gas guzzling SUVs. LOL
Scotty always gives me a laugh! 🤣
I bought my 2007 Honda Fit (63,000 grandma miles) to tow behind the Motorhome I sold two years ago. I bought it because it was the lightest car available and my "Cruising America" motorhome could only tow 2500 lbs. When a deer ran out in front of my Lexus RX350, totaling it on the way to the beach, I didn't replace it. Now I just drive my 38 mpg Honda Fit everywhere. I may give it to my 16 year old to drive. But I'll probably keep it forever. They go 300,000 miles with little effort, and since it has a timing chain, I don't have to replace the belt and the water pump every 100k miles. Best. Little. Car. Ever. Oh and I quit caring what anyone thinks about me a long time ago!
I have watched so many RUclipsrs buy those damn pieces of junk & get screwed every time. No matter what they spent - the had issues pop up from the beginning. It was shocking how bad those things are made!🤦🏽♂
I remember seeing Steve Lehto, an attorney on RUclips, say that RVs do not fall under the lemon law. He's seen many horror stories involving lemon RVs. Unfortunately, once you drive a lemon RV off the lot, you're stuck with it and the law is on the dealer's side.
Agree with that , I must admit that some models are really nice with even two stores and full kitchens.
Thats why its better to build an RV out of an old city bus, theyre equipped with air ride and are reinforced with a cage that surrounds the whole passenger area, a traditional RV will come apart like nothing in a wreck or roll-over
Ì want to know where that $3,000 motor home is. I'm buying.
Love your channel Scottie. We own a Travel Trailer ( an older one ) we have never brought home bed bugs. We can walk in our bare feet without having to wash your feet before putting our socks and shoes on. We don't sleep in a bed that is covered in hundreds of other peoples bodily fluids. For those reasons alone we will take the RV over the Hotel every time.
100% agreed... we got our 14' camper right before the Rona and holding up so far.
You're scaring Scotty.. 😂😂😂
I'm surprised you even leave your house!
Make sure you check/seal/recoat the roof. The biggest problems I have ever had with the two motorhomes and four-five travel trailers I've owned over the years are the roofs. Let the roof degrade and then you end up with all sorts of problems. Mainly delaminated side panels and soft floors. Plus you then have mold to remediate. I am a big fan of buying used at a low price, using it for a couple years and then breaking even on it. I have successfully done this with every RV I've ever owned. But just like anything - you make money on it when you buy it.
My tent and air mattress accomplish the same thing.
As an Rv service technician in Canada, I agree with your assessment. RVs were over produced in poor quality since the demand boomed in 2020. Interest rates have hiked up. A lot of folks leaped into rving for the first time and now have to unload unwanted units or are facing the realities of maintaining them.
My dealership will be fine, there's lots of maintenance work to do, and we'll work on anything, but most places around here only work pn units 10 years old or newer, or only their own brands.
I don't own an rv, too expensive and I don't have a place to park it. If I ever bought one, I would go with the smallest I could get, no slides, minimal systems. But not a tent trailer.
Example ???
@marlenemcmillan8891 example of what, exactly? Poor quality? Units being shipped with more flaws than usual, taking 20-30% longer to fix new units before customers can take them. Units being shipped without some appliances because the factory ran out of them. Obviously, it's been a year or so since that initial madness, and it has improved, and it varied by brand how bad it got.
I know of a half a dozen people who have bought them....not for traveling, driving or vacations, but to literally live in them. Very sad
@@skylarsartnphotography3450 we have those folks here in the Okanagan, too. People live in RVs in RV parks, or in vans or other vehicles around town. No judgement, but the saddest are the retired folks who can't afford better. We see a few of all sorts here at my dealership, because we're one of the few places that will fix units over 10 years old.
@@skylarsartnphotography3450I lived in one for a few years and it was terrible! Not only do you have to pay for the insurance, registration, the payment AND maintenance. You also have to pay a campground to stay at! It gets almost as expensive as a mortgage! Not worth living in if you ask me. If I ever wanted an RV again, I’d get a van and make it DIY project camper.
This is why I have got a Casita or a Scamp, which is all fiberglass, small enough to park it anywhere and it is better than a USED USED USED Hotel room. But that is me.
Those used Scamps are hard to come by. I've been looking for a 13' one.
I worked for a short period of time at an RV dealership. I made a point of checking out the different rigs they had out on the lot, and seeing how they were built. I'd get down underneath them and look at how things were welded and assembled. To say they were substandard would be a profound understatement. One example really stood out for me, was a class A RV with storage spaces underneath, accessible from either side. I got under the RV and looked at how those storage spaces were supported. Would you believe they used 1" square aluminum tubes, cut and joined at 45 degree angles, and they were welded at those points.
Now, you'd think that being under the RV, exposed to the elements and such, not to mention dealing with the stresses of carrying the load in the storage area and encountering the inevitable swaying and twisting that the RV is going to experience during daily driving, that those critical welds would have been very robust. Oh no, not only were they not robust, they were literally only welded on the outside corner of each junction. Three of the four sides of each connection were left completely untouched, no weld, no adhesive, no screws and plates to support it, just nothing. I couldn't believe it.
Sure, spend a fortune on an RV if you want to blow your money on a giant pile of garbage. Otherwise, plan your travels, use your car, stay in nice hotel rooms with real beds and showers at night and see the sights during the day. You'll have a much better experience for far less money.
sleeping in your own filth is a little comforting than sleeping someone elses. :)
I just bought a Brand New 2023 Winnebago 22ft. Camper Trailer at an RV show. $46,000 List. Paid $29,000. It's buyers market. Especially if you pay cash.
Highland Ridge builds good RV’s. We have had ours for 2 years with no issues. You either live camping or not. Over time it’s cheaper than cruising.
A lot of companies are going bankrupt because they are putting out unreliable product and expecting people to pay more obscenely high prices for said crap product.
People aren't buying, so the companies are starting to go under this year and its only going to get worse for them because more of us are holing onto our money instead of frittering it away on frivolities.
I keep thinking I'm going to rent out my house and live in an rv on the property, never drive it, but just live simple.
Do it!
Love you man - you are such high energy and fun to listen to! - and I found you when I was set to play at 2x. Laughing over here.
Wife and I have been full-time RV'ers for 7 years, in a class A, and prior to that, part-time for several years in a C class. There are trade-offs with this lifestyle just as there is with any recreational interest. If you are interested in travel and social life, they can be a hoot. If you are concerned about costs and maintenance, and/or are inexperienced, and don't research things, it can be a nightmare. It's very true that "they don't make 'em like they used to." Poor construction can lead to costly repairs. If you are somewhat handy it can be a big benefit. It'll cost plenty to get a good tech to come out and fix a slide-out or a fridge, IF, ... you can find a good one. The up- side has been finding new friends all over the country and finding awesome places to visit. This is yr. #6 on the Emerald coast, and lovin' it. Best thing to do is talk to the campers, not the dealers, and use your better judgement.
I noticed the exact same thing on a recent drive to Montana. Thousands of brand new RV's sitting in lots from Ohio to Montana.
Another damn good show! Keep up the amazing work scotty!
Scotty, I have a 1994, ford e 350 cutaway 8 cylinder, star fleet by Ferrion ( sense out of business ). I have gone right through the rv totally refurbished. I love it! I though at one time I would buy new however after looking at the quality I changed my mind. You are right ! The new ones are poorly made
There's a thing called warranty.
@@GoLakers3900There's a thing called "build it yourself," too. 😉
Another thing that is effecting the rv market is van life, and overlanding trends.
I've been building R.V.s since 03. We see the economic down turn early. Yeah it's bad. Jayco, Grand Design and Coachmen all laid off hundreds of people recently. It's not good. Rv's are the life blood of this area and surrounding areas. This is probably gonna be worse than '07.
Been using those Chinese tires for 9 years
Rodents love the ones that sit too. They are attracted by the food cooking inside and chew through everything
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I bought a new trailer 4 months ago. Get 9 MPG towing it with my Tundra. LOVE IT! Don't camp in campground use it for dirt bike riding. Can't wait for my next trip!
Just curious are you still loving it? Me and my girl ride and the 3 kids are starting to get into it too. When we go to the races we see big toy haulers and 5th wheels everywhere on the way in after scrambling to get the bikes and gear loaded in the morning and drive 2 hours to make registration on time. Financially it’s just too much for us to get one of those huge setups, but I have been looking at box trailers. I’d love to set one up with some lights and build a few flip down cots we could all camp out in over the race weekends. I’m strongly considering picking one up to make riding and racing something easier for us.
My parents where campers, for years we went camping in every State of the USA, with the exception of Hawaii, every province and territory of Canada, and along the very northern edge of Mexico.
Things that I have noticed is campers are
1: Getting more expensive with a lower build grade, even with that, I have seen many newer trailers and RV's having repair issues needing done and not being able to be done in a short amount of time.
2: The campers can not be towed except if you have, it seems like a very large and expensive truck, so worse gas mileage.
3: Getting campers that can actually "carry" a load that you need for camping.
4: Getting places to camp are extremely expensive. It is almost to the point that you can get a cheep motel/hotel for just about the cost of a camp site.
5: So many places that you need to have advanced reservations to get into. Even at "private" camp grounds (my brother worked at one as natualist) it is so difficult to get a site unless you line one up a year ahead of time. Another problem with reservations is that when we camped we would take our time getting places, drive only a few 100 miles a day, go sight seeing but with the reservation there was a loss of being able to stop and see place knowing you are on a schedule to keep reservation. With the sight seeing my brothers and I learned so much history and actually seen the places in history.
(Side note, when I was in 4th or 5th grade we had to do a class report about every state we had been to, my mother called the school and talked to the teacher telling her, at that time I had probably been to 30 or 40 states along with two other countries that I would probably be better and more effective if I did the report about what states I hadn't been to. The teacher agreed with that though.)
6: even simple things such as wood, back in the day you could walk around the campgrounds or woods near by and get a nights worth of wood to have a campfire, now these campgrounds are stripped bare and you are made to buy the wood.
7: If you go outside the country even to Mexico or Canada you and your children need passports.
I know there are many more reasons that make camping more difficult for the average family to be able to enjoy more. I guess I was luckey and was able to travel a lot during the late 60's to the late 80's.
Anyway I enjoy traveling, I enjoy seeing places that history happened at, I enjoy the beauty of nature. You just can't do this as easy as the past, and in the end our kids and grandkids just can't do the same. This is the travisty behind all this.
Sorry I got sidetracked unfortunately camping is just out of reach for many now, then the campers are crappy and no one wants to fix the prolems without finger pointing at someone else while saying, "thats not our problem you will have to take the camper back to where you bought it or to the manufacturer, even then you can have a long time runaround as both the "dealer" and "seller" tell you "well thats not our problem." Or dealers and manufacturers trying to sell 2 or 3 year old models as new with no discount.
Oh by the way Scotty I watch your shows on RUclips all the time, you are very knowledgeable along with seemingly down to earth. Keep up the good work.
Scotty. The dodge caravan electical issues: my father had a 1999 chrysler minivan that would not start in the morning but would start in the afternoon. Come to find out the starting system ran through the instrument cluster from the ignition switch. Chrysler used crap solder and it was prone to cracking just enough to cause a no start when cold but when the outside temps rose would cause the solder to expand sealing the cracks. Now I know he said he could start the engine but had other electrical issues but I would either change out the cluster or resolder the connections on the cluster and see how that works. It may not be the ignition switch.
My parents didn't have a problem purchasing a nice RV. It was the upkeep cost vs the amount of use they got from it over a few years which caused them to eventually sell.
Company I work for gave me $20k to buy a camper
(Liened in the owners name) if I worked on the road for them. I bought a 26ft. Camper for 15k put 5k down on a truck to pull it. They pay the lot fees plus gas expenses. If I complete the job(2yrs) camper will be signed over to me for the next jobs. Do it smart.
I feel like the housing market and the RV market play along together.😊
Nice terminator
@@jbnnm657 Cheers man! ☺
They're called motor homes.. 😊😊
Used to build rv's in Indiana worked for a reputable manufacturer will say ours were built quality but the trailer division they were crap some would fall apart in the lot sitting ready for delivery the trailer frames were already rusting before they even got built on . I will admit 90 percent of them out there are crap don't know why someone would put up with slapping 40 grand down and the first season it spends more time in warranty than camping rv industry needs to be held to a better standard some are not even safe to pull or drive down the road it's all driven by GREED / HIGH PROFIT MARGIN
Another great, knowledgeable video. Thanks Scotty!
The whole "camping" thing is getting ridiculously expensive to buy, maintain and rent campground lots.
Campgrounds suck.
I went to a local campground with our tents and they only had RV lots. So I said let me get one of those and they said they were all rented. 😅
@@phillip1489 ok so you're ok with a CAMP ground not having camping grounds for folks that don't have RVs? RV is not camping. See they didn't have tent spaces at all. No matter which one you rent you have to put an RV on it. No tents. Ever.
@@phillip1489 ok glad we got on the same page. 3 campgrounds in my area no longer allow "primitive" camping.
Now with that said most poor folks that do camp are animals that don't clean up so maybe that's the reason. Or it's the fact these spots only got about 40 bucks a weekend but either way I'm having to buy property to camp these days.
@@phillip1489 Lot rent is thousands in some of the nicer parks. They have some really nice places, but you're not saving anything. You could rent a trailer instead and not even worry about a stupid RV.
I've always wanted one of those all fiberglass campers. Unlike the wood and aluminum frame campers, the fiberglass ones seem to have the potential to last a lifetime. Kinda like a bass boat.
We bought a used Casita and love it! It’s an heirloom IMO for some lucky grandkid because it will be around for decades. We also have a 5th wheel Excel that’s in great shape but it just sits since we got the Casita. I hope you find what you’re looking for.
@@jeez3838Hey, may I know the year of your Casita? Thank you.
I once own a rv and if you can’t put in a warehouse or barn they will fall apart. I bought new, the one I bought now they three times what I give for it. It was a money pit. I sold it last year, has only 17,000 miles. It was a Mercedes sprinter Thor citation. They are make cheap, it was a diesel.
I'm glad you said it, Scotty. The things are built so badly, it's only a matter of time, and very little time, that owners are going to be pissed, depressed and packing for the poorhouse. Great vid! Paulie
Absolutely 1000% correct on the reasons why Toyota manufactures a better car than the United States of America. Toyota is the classical example of why our manufacturing was outsourced and still is to this day. Do you want to make America great again look across the pond and start making products as well as our foreign competitors at less cost.!!!!!! Period, end of story, I need not say more.
Thank you! I just don't see it happening! There's still a lot of 90s American cars on the road because they were built better!
Well, I bought a Chrysler van in 2005. It now has 320,000 mi on it. I'll spend a total of maybe 2,000 on maintenance and repairs. I doubt Toyota can do any better. I've been very pleased.
Totally agree many are poorly built. My wife and i had this dream about an RV, but several things tarnished it, safety in America is not good anymore number one concern now for me, the cost of fuel is big, would almost pay to spend the money on a nice comfortable suv, and stay in better class hotels instead. Fix the out of control crime, and fuel costs and it might be interesting again
Have fun with the soiled sheets, random smelly hotel rooms, and bed bugs!
@@Tipman2OOO did you read my note the morons that run this country have made it costly and dangerous to be out there criminals are emboldened, and diesel is 4-5 per gallon and neither one needs to be
I used to work for Camping World and I can tell you this from what I witnessed daily…….buying a RV/camper is an extremely bad idea.
They are made with cheap materials and will cost you thousands in maintenance. I seen brand new ones come in with major problems. DON’T BUY ONE!
I love the fact that you give the people the unfiltered TRUTH.. Thank you
Yes you can get a deal on class a's which are just rolling money pits but class b's/campervans are still pretty expensive. I love our little campervan because it stays in the garage when not traveling but I sure as heck would not want to live in it fulltime. Vanlife is hard and waaay oversold.
So is boat life
Sold them back in 2005 and he’s 100% correct. My service manager said he would never own one. “It’s a house on wheels, constantly bouncing down the road. Of course it’s going to need constant maintenance” and that doesn’t even account for “Lot Rot” as they are sitting waiting to be bought. Delaminating structural panels was always one of the dreaded issues you didn’t want either, yikes. Never mind losing the f’in floor!
My wife and I have a Runaway RangeRunner 6 x 8 travel trailer. We purchased it used on the Facebook marketplace and have been using it since February 2023. We get great gas mileage @ 32 mpg and tow it with a Subaru Crosstrek.
I have a 2001 Class A. It is an aluminum body, which is great, but the new ones are not built well and cost a fortune. It was great for the pandemic because you didn't want to go or couldn't go to a hotel.
When I was a kid camping was fun and affordable, there was tons of small private camper dealers. Now there's just a few big corporate dealers and they're all rude and overpriced
Our favorite RV is an 08 Cobalt with reclining seats, HVAC and stereo. Cooler for drinks and lunch meat. Easy to maneuver on the back roads and gas mileage is great. I'm a happy camper. Lol
Facts like always. Love your consistency!
If you have a proper off grid rv.. you can park it anywhere!
What makes fuel economy is your right foot
I’m in the Rv biz in Northern California. We sell 100+ a month. We also make money on Warrenty work simulator to Auto industry.
I love this guy. Straight up honest! He should have his own university!
Thanks Scotty for another great informative video. I'm so BLESSED to have found your channel. Love the content,ALWAYS!!!
My school bus gets 5 to 6 mpg. I did own a small Class A motorhome with a 454 and it was around 9 to 10 mpg.
Love the enthusiasm scotty as always.
I drove my LG Max connected to my F-150 to Texas this year. It really is economy of scale. I did the calculations. For me to stay a week in a hotel in Texas would have cost 1.5 X more than the extra money I spent on gas to haul the RV and the campground. Don't even get me started on the cost of an airline flight, a rental car, and the hotel combined. My Max cost $34,000 brand new when I bought it in 2020. It is 21 Ft, and it is built extremely well. With RVs, you will get what you pay for. There are much bigger campers that you can buy that are much cheaper, but you will have issues with them.
I need an RV the same way I need to rent rooms in my house to strangers. Just headaches
Same. I got two empty rooms in my house. Learned to be extremely picky, even with friends and family.
No worries.. Soon enough, the BANKERS will OWN EVERYTHING and you will OWN NOTHING but be happy... 😊😊😊
Sorry for your problems. 100 filled in my properties. No problems. Major cash flow. Good luck.
No one buys them because they are more costly than a house and cost way too much to drive them. Also where to park a RV cheaply?!? Their is no such thing as a cheap RV.😅
Our RV doubles as an office for my construction business at my yard. So not only does it get used all the time it also is a tax write off. It’s been depreciated completely but I’m not about to buy a new over priced one until the market finally does go tits up.
It's only feasible to own an RV if you have room on your property for it and can dig a cesspool. Sightseeing with an older RV is a nightmare. If it's not more than a few years old, you might find a decent spot to rent. Otherwise, you'll be turned down simply because of it's age. A new, vintage looking RV could go either way depending on the assholiness of the RV park manager.
You don't need a new F150, I pulled mine with a 05fx4! And I don't go to places that have motels! My camper weights 5400 lbs empty, my old one weighed 6800 lbs!