I have been looking for 3 days…”what rods to use for structural beams on houses?!” I was on the fence about 6010 & 7018 combo or just 7018…45 seconds in..this legend andswers my questions…unreal. Thanks man 🤟🏻
Excellent use of backing strips for a structural column join with a lovely flush weld on the column flange. No weld on the backing strip on the inside of the column. Have seen similar techniques used on excavator equipment which is subject to repeated cyclic stress and results in a fatigue crack.
Just a beginner and probably never need to do something like that but it’s fun to watch and you never know if I will do it on a smaller scale. Please keep posting. 👍
One other reason open root isn't performed on structure is open root isn't prequalified by the D1.1. So in order to run open you would have to create a PQR. Which drives up the cost and time of the structure.
Whoops. Looks like your video editor had a popup around 7:03. "This effect requires GPU acceleration" Anyway, great video! That's an extremely useful technique, and clearly demonstrated. Thanks for uploading quality content like this!
Pretty right tack there at 3:20 😅 this is set up essentially the same as a monument weld, I’ve done plenty of H beam for structural drive piles for Hayward Baker and Keller. All open root though, 7018, all MT and UT tested, about a 1/8th gap with splice plates in the web of the beam for for vertical weld and fitting column to column, up to 40 foot sections at a time! A smoking hot 5/32 7018! Turn and burn! Keep up the great videos!
when you do open root 7018, do you do the root pass dcen to stiffen the puddle and then switch to deep for fill and cover. what is a typical web and flange thickness for a pile beam?
@@peetky8645 I’ve always just left it on dcep, with them being a single bevel groove and with the butt end on the bottom of the joint and bevel on top, never more then a 1/8 gap unless someone made a bad bevel with the torch because the splice plates, always burned 5/32 just jam it in and and get the puddle connected and carry it out, they were never too picky if it was a little heavy on the backside as long as it was all broke down, and normally they where all .750 wall thickness, did some 18 inch that was a inch, all serious load bearing stuff
Hi again jason. just watched video for second time and remembered a post from a railcar welder talking about patch plates. he said that rail patch plates had to have rounded corners to prevent stress accumulation and cracking. ever heard of this in structural or ship industries? I think he actually mentioned football shaped patches
Those rat holes are not only for backing strips ! You should do them even if you're open root splicing ! When you transfer from web to flange on an I beam, there is a radius that locally increases the thickness. without a rat holes, when splicing, your weld would not penetrate all the way through that radius, which would leave some lack of fusion at the root of your weld. You might think it's not that big of a deal, but that little unmelted defect is a stress riser, and a crack initiation. It also works in what we call "Mode 1", which is the loading situation that favorizes crack propagation, and is under bending loads. Finally, because it's an inside crack, visual inspection would not tell you there's a problem until it's too late So do those rat holes each times you are splicing ! (In France, we call them "Lunulles" )
I would never have passed that splice First you left open gaps where rust can form, Sec, you should have welded the web on the opposite side for added strength grind the weld flush and then put a second backing plate on. Third, those backing strips on the web, should be welded all around, Not just from through the gap, They will allow moisture in to cause rusting over time, I would never say that video should describe how to weld vertical splices of I or H beams.
Sólo Aplica Para las uniones en vertical?o también para las uniones de viga en Horizontal , la pregunta es porque no hablo inglés. 👍😂 muy interesantes tus videos.
Is there a guideline or a rule about the size of the patch plate verses the size of the beam? I was told the plate should be pointed on both ends for more surface area and more linear weld. What are your thoughts on that? Thanks for your good videos.
@MPM Weldingwith a backer plate, i think the gaps are pretty large by code to allow the fireproofing spray goo to penetrate. if no backer you need the gap to weld the back of the flange in a continuous bead
@MPM Welding i saw that starbucks video. it was fun watching him weld up on the ladder. have you seen his 3 recent videos raising a steel workshop? nice
@MPM Welding saw a great video on the fireball tool YT channel where the owner makes a steel staircase in his fab shop. any other welding channels you have found?
There is a formula for the size and depth of the access hole. Usually 3 x the flange thickness and a minimum radius size for the hole usually 3/8” min. and the distance from the flange over to the center of the hole usually 3/4 + and no -. Then the transition from the hole back to the flange no steeper than 25 degrees. Maybe touch on the codes the engineers are using like AWS D1.1, D1.8, or AISC 360. Every time I get to splice beam or column it’s always 100% inspection with MT or VT then UT and the weld backing never gets to stay so it’s either done open root or ceramic backing (screw copper, too much grinding) depending on the scenario and never 7018 but always 71T-8. You should do another one with an erection aid in the web and use wedges to plumb and the wire to weld.
I heard a rumor that jason uses erection aids on the sly. hah! that said, it would be cool to see a ceramic backer used. i wonder if a hobbyist could use a piece of flat soapstone to simulate a ceramic backer. why more grinding with copper? also, are the backers used in industry flat, or do they have a channel on the backside of the weld ?
@@peetky8645 with or without the copper if I have to grind at all I rev a little but slag happens. My copper selection is pretty sweet and I will use it. He should also bet teaching how to get out of a shitty situation like a misaligned flange because the two pieces didn’t come from the same mill and that there is a code for the amount the off set can be, just a little real world encounters. He is totally on point with everything he did.
@@jakeroth3879 i know the swedes make woodstoves out of soapstone, i don't know if it would stand up to the heat of an arc...watch out for any fumes just in case
Thanks! I love it, just got my first welder 2 weeks ago. When you hav an option do you always weld uphill with stick I noticed you welded uphill on both sides?
you usually weld uphill to improve penetration. uphill is hotter and penetrates better because the hot gas plume rises and helps preheat in the direction of travel. however,. unlike this I beam, skyscraper beams are 1/2 to 1 inch metal and deep penetration is desired at all times. if you are blowing through thin metal, you can switch to downhill to make a cooler weld and decrease penetration with mig you can increase stickout to reduce penetration as well. i think the opposite is true with stick, long arcing heats up the metal while keeping a short arc makes a cooler weld. with both mig and stick, the angle you hold the electrode affects penetration as well. a 90degree electrode puts all the heat onto the metal while a steep drag angle puts more heat into the puddle mass rather than the plate which spreads out the puddle and decreases penetration.
6010 downhill depends with different people and your wps for your job peet ky is correct and very nice for writing all that out starting out get good at your uphill work you will need it down hill is ez
56 second time stamp.. typically in construction you're going to be using 5/64 innershield or possibly 3/32.. AND ON THAT FLANGE.. THAT'S 2 PASSES 3 MAXIMUM..AND AFTER TWO OR THREE SPLICES 90% OF THE TIME I GET DOWN TO 1 PASS ON .. A 1/2 INCH HORIZONTAL SPLICE WITH A 1/8 BACKING BAR!!
The position of the flange would make a difficult camera angle to get useful footage. These guys have tons ( hours) of the footage you, myself as well, need for visual aid in their other vids. I’ve been watching these for over a year now and have learned a lot
O amigo, você consegue para eu a power mts 252 sti ac\dc tig bivolt????? Vê se vocês aí dos EUA conseguem enviar para eu aquí no Brasil e eu pago parcelado a vocês!!!!!!! Se não tiver a 252 pode ser a 253 ou a 175. Me ajude aí por favor!!!!!!!
VERTICAL.. beam splice??😂😂😂🤫🤫🤫.. he says you're not going to have to do this too often in construction???😂😂😂 WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT!!! This guy doesn't get out of the shop much does he??
Why though? Did I miss that part I was listening ? I'm a pipe hand,but doing a bridge repair for my own business now,noticed that they had em like this. Why not open root ?
I have been looking for 3 days…”what rods to use for structural beams on houses?!” I was on the fence about 6010 & 7018 combo or just 7018…45 seconds in..this legend andswers my questions…unreal. Thanks man 🤟🏻
Vertical is Plumb, horizontal is level; great video as always!
Lol...said the same thing
The best welding channel ever
Excellent use of backing strips for a structural column join with a lovely flush weld on the column flange. No weld on the backing strip on the inside of the column. Have seen similar techniques used on excavator equipment which is subject to repeated cyclic stress and results in a fatigue crack.
Just a beginner and probably never need to do something like that but it’s fun to watch and you never know if I will do it on a smaller scale. Please keep posting. 👍
I love these types of videos please do more like this
One other reason open root isn't performed on structure is open root isn't prequalified by the D1.1. So in order to run open you would have to create a PQR. Which drives up the cost and time of the structure.
Yes do more of these types of videos!!!!
Thanks so much for this technique, I've learned more :)
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Anyway, great video! That's an extremely useful technique, and clearly demonstrated. Thanks for uploading quality content like this!
As always great info and a great video
That was great info, Thanks
Great video Jason keep up the good work
Good video red!
Pretty right tack there at 3:20 😅 this is set up essentially the same as a monument weld, I’ve done plenty of H beam for structural drive piles for Hayward Baker and Keller. All open root though, 7018, all MT and UT tested, about a 1/8th gap with splice plates in the web of the beam for for vertical weld and fitting column to column, up to 40 foot sections at a time! A smoking hot 5/32 7018! Turn and burn! Keep up the great videos!
when you do open root 7018, do you do the root pass dcen to stiffen the puddle and then switch to deep for fill and cover. what is a typical web and flange thickness for a pile beam?
@@peetky8645 I’ve always just left it on dcep, with them being a single bevel groove and with the butt end on the bottom of the joint and bevel on top, never more then a 1/8 gap unless someone made a bad bevel with the torch because the splice plates, always burned 5/32 just jam it in and and get the puddle connected and carry it out, they were never too picky if it was a little heavy on the backside as long as it was all broke down, and normally they where all .750 wall thickness, did some 18 inch that was a inch, all serious load bearing stuff
@@renoschneider145 thanks
Nice splice !
Hi again jason. just watched video for second time and remembered a post from a railcar welder talking about patch plates. he said that rail patch plates had to have rounded corners to prevent stress accumulation and cracking. ever heard of this in structural or ship industries? I think he actually mentioned football shaped patches
I have always heard of them being called fish plates
Nicely done sir
Those rat holes are not only for backing strips ! You should do them even if you're open root splicing !
When you transfer from web to flange on an I beam, there is a radius that locally increases the thickness. without a rat holes, when splicing, your weld would not penetrate all the way through that radius, which would leave some lack of fusion at the root of your weld.
You might think it's not that big of a deal, but that little unmelted defect is a stress riser, and a crack initiation. It also works in what we call "Mode 1", which is the loading situation that favorizes crack propagation, and is under bending loads. Finally, because it's an inside crack, visual inspection would not tell you there's a problem until it's too late
So do those rat holes each times you are splicing ! (In France, we call them "Lunulles" )
ASTM Steel Manual works and is a great source of info
nice work
Thanks man.
How about A video with ceramic backers.
I would never have passed that splice
First you left open gaps where rust can form,
Sec, you should have welded the web on the opposite side for added strength grind the weld flush and then put a second backing plate on.
Third, those backing strips on the web, should be welded all around, Not just from through the gap, They will allow moisture in to cause rusting over time,
I would never say that video should describe how to weld vertical splices of I or H beams.
Would you not be worried about wrapping the beams? Welding all on one side and pulling it one direction?
Bravo.👍👍👍
Pile drivers use backing when welding pile sections together.
If you are to over weld and have to much bead can you just grind it down and still be within the specs?
Sweet 👍
Welcome to INDONESIA WELDING TO GOOO
excellent can you run it with Wire now and how much fire proofing do you remove
Jason, you didn't show welding the back side of reinforcing plate, , that does get welded correct? best regards, Paul in Orlando
Yes, other side is welded out just the same.
Yes he did. Might want to get your eyes checked
@@downhilldaddy9346 we didn’t weld the other side, but you would in the field. This was just for educational purposes.
Shut up and weld and don't care
Sólo Aplica Para las uniones en vertical?o también para las uniones de viga en Horizontal , la pregunta es porque no hablo inglés. 👍😂 muy interesantes tus videos.
One thing I didn’t consider when I started welding was that it could sunburn you.
and just like sunburn, it can lead to melanoma skin cancer from the UV radiation of the arc. wear long sleeves to protect your skin and cover up
@@peetky8645 Or at least use good sunscreen.
Great repair man. Practical and clean 🤙🏼
Is there a guideline or a rule about the size of the patch plate verses the size of the beam? I was told the plate should be pointed on both ends for more surface area and more linear weld. What are your thoughts on that? Thanks for your good videos.
@MPM Weldingwith a backer plate, i think the gaps are pretty large by code to allow the fireproofing spray goo to penetrate. if no backer you need the gap to weld the back of the flange in a continuous bead
@MPM Welding i saw that starbucks video. it was fun watching him weld up on the ladder. have you seen his 3 recent videos raising a steel workshop? nice
@MPM Welding saw a great video on the fireball tool YT channel where the owner makes a steel staircase in his fab shop. any other welding channels you have found?
@MPM Welding thanks for the tips. i will look up the ones i have missed
i like to grow tulips
I love it.. 😂😂 a v t o v a z!! My wife said if I ever stop licking her tulips.. it would be grounds for divorce 😺😂😂😂
I'm suprised the holes for the backing strips passes code
There is a formula for the size and depth of the access hole. Usually 3 x the flange thickness and a minimum radius size for the hole usually 3/8” min. and the distance from the flange over to the center of the hole usually 3/4 + and no -. Then the transition from the hole back to the flange no steeper than 25 degrees. Maybe touch on the codes the engineers are using like AWS D1.1, D1.8, or AISC 360. Every time I get to splice beam or column it’s always 100% inspection with MT or VT then UT and the weld backing never gets to stay so it’s either done open root or ceramic backing (screw copper, too much grinding) depending on the scenario and never 7018 but always 71T-8. You should do another one with an erection aid in the web and use wedges to plumb and the wire to weld.
I heard a rumor that jason uses erection aids on the sly. hah! that said, it would be cool to see a ceramic backer used. i wonder if a hobbyist could use a piece of flat soapstone to simulate a ceramic backer. why more grinding with copper? also, are the backers used in industry flat, or do they have a channel on the backside of the weld ?
@@peetky8645 with or without the copper if I have to grind at all I rev a little but slag happens. My copper selection is pretty sweet and I will use it. He should also bet teaching how to get out of a shitty situation like a misaligned flange because the two pieces didn’t come from the same mill and that there is a code for the amount the off set can be, just a little real world encounters. He is totally on point with everything he did.
@@jakeroth3879 nice
@@peetky8645 you got me wanting to burn a piece of soap stone now, I have a package of iron to set Monday, I’ll get back with you on that.
@@jakeroth3879 i know the swedes make woodstoves out of soapstone, i don't know if it would stand up to the heat of an arc...watch out for any fumes just in case
Thanks! I love it, just got my first welder 2 weeks ago. When you hav an option do you always weld uphill with stick I noticed you welded uphill on both sides?
Always weld uphill as a general rule
you usually weld uphill to improve penetration. uphill is hotter and penetrates better because the hot gas plume rises and helps preheat in the direction of travel.
however,. unlike this I beam, skyscraper beams are 1/2 to 1 inch metal and deep penetration is desired at all times. if you are blowing through thin metal, you can switch to downhill to make a cooler weld and decrease penetration
with mig you can increase stickout to reduce penetration as well. i think the opposite is true with stick, long arcing heats up the metal while keeping a short arc makes a cooler weld. with both mig and stick, the angle you hold the electrode affects penetration as well. a 90degree electrode puts all the heat onto the metal while a steep drag angle puts more heat into the puddle mass rather than the plate which spreads out the puddle and decreases penetration.
You weld uphill with 7018. If you are welding pipe with 6010 you weld downhill.
6010 downhill depends with different people and your wps for your job peet ky is correct and very nice for writing all that out starting out get good at your uphill work you will need it down hill is ez
I mess around a bit but really the only way my stick welds turn out decent is if it’s perfectly level, and I’m not trying to stick 2 things together.
is it plumb level though?
too much welding softens up the grain structure causing it to break by the heat affected zone this way is better thanks marine
56 second time stamp.. typically in construction you're going to be using 5/64 innershield or possibly 3/32.. AND ON THAT FLANGE.. THAT'S 2 PASSES 3 MAXIMUM..AND AFTER TWO OR THREE SPLICES 90% OF THE TIME I GET DOWN TO 1 PASS ON .. A 1/2 INCH HORIZONTAL SPLICE WITH A 1/8 BACKING BAR!!
So D1.1 dosen't require to weld that web prior to welding the splice plate?
Why not just bevel both sides. And weld with gap? Thats how its done in norway.
why you didnt show the vertical welding , the velocity + the distance of stick etc
that would be very userfull for beginers like me
The position of the flange would make a difficult camera angle to get useful footage. These guys have tons ( hours) of the footage you, myself as well, need for visual aid in their other vids. I’ve been watching these for over a year now and have learned a lot
just pick it up and man handle it. that one made me laugh ngl xD
Backing strips for ? full pen open root for Fitters
The frame between 7:02 and 7:03 says: This effect requires GPU acceleration? Anyone else see it?
Something to do with the editing software, I’m assuming they color corrected it but forgot to render it.
Hardly any spatter???
Nice vid. Stairs would be better
When you use a level vertical it is called plum sorry call what it is
Make that "plumb", Michael
Ok there keyboard commando in mom's basement
@@carof08 Well, he said, "sorry call what it is......" plum is a fruit......
O amigo, você consegue para eu a power mts 252 sti ac\dc tig bivolt????? Vê se vocês aí dos EUA conseguem enviar para eu aquí no Brasil e eu pago parcelado a vocês!!!!!!! Se não tiver a 252 pode ser a 253 ou a 175. Me ajude aí por favor!!!!!!!
Who the fuck dislikes this kinda shit. Thats like when folks down vote cat pics on reddit. Rad shit dudes.
Is it me or that backing strip tack had no tie in on the bottom 😅😝
They'll never let it into the club.
Ok so you put one slice plate on what about the gap? Do you fill that in the put on the other splice plate then weld it up?
Yes, that will get welded out as well. I mentioned it when we recorded. Guess it didn’t make the cut.
@@jasonbecker3362 thanx I want sure if missed it😁👍
I can always tell a legitimate welder by the guard off of the grinder
not digging the music. good video otherwise.
More info. Less embedded advertisement and music track 👎🏼
SEND THAT SCREACHING MUSIC FAR DOWN THE ROAD .👎👎🖕
VERTICAL.. beam splice??😂😂😂🤫🤫🤫.. he says you're not going to have to do this too often in construction???😂😂😂 WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT!!! This guy doesn't get out of the shop much does he??
why not put a proper cap on it? = lazy
Why though? Did I miss that part I was listening ? I'm a pipe hand,but doing a bridge repair for my own business now,noticed that they had em like this. Why not open root ?