It was a good rate of fire, I've noticed a lot of people have trouble with the extractions on Martini actions due to them not giving it enough welly but Stan clearly new his way round the rifle.
Nice to see your still around. I understand you have been having RUclips issues. I was actually quite surprised when I heard the had taken your channel down. After all your content comes across as almost academic in its presentation.
srspower - were you using a modern rifle in UK? Don't get paranoid. I'll bet the club was worried about local anti-gun outcry. Black powder is much more serene and unthreatening. Like fishing.
Yes. Irrespective of whether it's a Martini-Enfield or Martini-Metford. They used to make harpoon guns for whaling out of surplus Martini-Henry actions, they're about as solid as you can get.
There wouldn’t be much left of the gel block when hit by a martini Henry, medical officers of the day reported exit wounds nearly the width of a mans back
Well done that man. I bet you wouldn't keep your finger tips on the barrel after 20 rounds! By 25 my Martini Henry MkIV (also an 'A' ex Enfield Martini [pedant moment] ) was oozing oil from the heated wood and burning my finger tips.
Sometimes I think the load one/shoot one saved the day at Rourkes Drift because it kept the rate of fire down and prevented them burning through all their ammunition to no effect in the first few hours of the battle.
But they kept that kind of firing well into the magazine era, only getting rid of it post-Boer-war. But even then, the rate of fire was tightly controlled. In the pre-SMLE era, the magazine was held in reserve until commanded to use it (which is part of why they were late-adopters of charger loading)
It was more important with something like the Martini which doesn't deal with sticky hot brass. A bolt action has much more extraction leverage due to the camming action of the bolt. A tilting block relies on the extractor spring. Additionally the originally wrapped brass 577/450 cartridge base would tear under too much extraction force.
Just one comment. There are historical accounts of soldiers in action stacking rounds between the fingers of their left hand for immediate use as this is quicker than reaching into a pouch for a new round each time,. In this video the shooter fired 10 rounds in just under a minute, whereas using the stacking process I have shot 15 rounds per minute (although poorly aimed). This stacking practice goes back to Marlborough's time when soldiers stuffed paper cartridges between the buttons of their coat. I know that If I was facing a horde of screaming Zulus I would be looking for the fasting way of hurling lead in their direction.
True, this was also done for committee testing to find the fastest theoretical ROF, with cartridges stated as “being prepared” for the shooter, i.e. within easy reach. However it’s not very representative of what rapid aimed fire would be.
Imagination that rate of fire by individual British Soldier at Rorkes Drift. Would have made quite a dent in the Zulu lines. Would have perhaps equalled the ranked volley fire. British Soldiers rapid fire at the first Battle against the advancing Germans made the germans believe they were facing machine gun fire.
I am reading Jim Corbett's 'Man-Eaters of Kumaon' and I've 'met' this rifle if I do not mistake. Apart from depicting a very humane and also inhumane lively picture of India, with an uncanny talent, Corbett provides the reader with his 'mad fraction of a second' (my words...) shooting in which he lands one followed by a second shot and dodges landing on 'the eternal hunting fields' by the skin of his teeth. Or the tiger's, whichever is thinnest... If you survive the man eating tigers of youtube, maybe you could do some Jim Corbett's guns and shooting one day? I suppose it is a topic far from your alley, but who knows? And, why not?... welcome back.
zachariaszut Corbett was an amazing hunter and a better naturalist. I read that when someone asked him what was his favorite weapon to use against tigers, he responded “a camera!”
Would be interesting to see a rapid-fire comparison between a Martin--Henry and a breechloading Springfield. I have a Martini-Enfield and, based on personal experience, guess that the Martini would be a little faster.
Much quicker then it's American contemporaries the Springfield Trapdoor and the Remington Rolling Block. One of these days I will find one that I can stick in the safe with my rolling block so they can argue over which is better lol. Great video thanks for sharing.
The crazy thing is that the action was designed by an American but was never considered by the US Army (although a few state militias bought Peabody rifles). From what I've read it was more complex and more expensive than the rolling block. I personally think that John Browning's Winchester High Wall or the German Werder M1869 were the best of all the big bore single shots from that era.
When did Churchill shoot a rifle in combat? I thought he was always involved as a war correspondent, and only used his Mauser C96 when absolutely necessary
I think this account was in one of his books rather than a correspondent's piece for a newspaper or journal. It's in one of the Britishmuzzleloaders videos, but I can't remember which.
After reading up about it, I think the video you remember was about the battle of Omdurman, in which Lee-Metford rifles were used to great effect (for their volley fire capabilities as well as cut-off/magazine fire). Churchill was involved in a cavalry charge with the Lancers, which seems to be one of the few times he was in a battle as a soldier, and not as a war correspondent.
Martini Henry was first and suffers (from a target shooting perspective) from its design as a service rifle. The 1885 though is much more sophisticated and makes a great target rifle.
Even if you miss the advancing native with the spear, the shock wave will kill him. A 'handy bayonet fixture is designed into this rifle, just in case the marauding fuzzywuzzy gets within bayoneting range.
Another cringeworthy use of the phrase "weapons system" I usually expect that sort of buzz word from the likes of Larry Vickers but with good content like this I'll let it slide 😉
Love the sound of that 577/450 on that walled range!
if you want to hear more if this sound then just search for Battlefield 1 martini-hentry videos
@@fatguyslim I think I'll grab my Martini Henry instead! XD
THE SOUND IS AWSOME
I noticed that Stan's sandwich box is also an effective brass catcher.
It would have sucked if he'd picked out an empty cartridge and tanked his time.
It was a good rate of fire, I've noticed a lot of people have trouble with the extractions on Martini actions due to them not giving it enough welly but Stan clearly new his way round the rifle.
Well done Stan.
One round with a magazine in reserve - that makes it an anti-assult rifle.
"Fire at will'.................. Thank you very much sir.
As I’m writing this I’m watch ZULU now.
I was surprised at the good rate of fire. I expected something much slower. Excellent job. Thank you for this video :D
Ahh, the sounds of Bloke and Chap and a firearm. Oh how I've missed you! Welcome back!
Impressive not just for the speed but how effortless he makes it look. Who was it who said "it ain't easy to make it look this easy"?
Nice to see your still around. I understand you have been having RUclips issues. I was actually quite surprised when I heard the had taken your channel down. After all your content comes across as almost academic in its presentation.
love the martini-henry
Lovely to have you back Bloke.
That's my range, they banned me from filming there. Hmmm ...
srspower - were you using a modern rifle in UK? Don't get paranoid. I'll bet the club was worried about local anti-gun outcry. Black powder is much more serene and unthreatening. Like fishing.
It's my range as well, I wonder if he had permission from the Committee to film there.
@Derecq Of course you need permission to wipe your ass in England.
Pretty impressive, especially with such a large round. The sound of it being fired on the camera is pretty impressive too.
Great video - thank you.
Man, what a huge difference the Martini-Henry was compared to muzzle-loaders of a just a few years prior.
The Martini-Henry is a rather beautiful rifle imho ^^'
I have a .303 conversation Martini Henry... Can I shoot modern ammo out of it.
Yes. Irrespective of whether it's a Martini-Enfield or Martini-Metford. They used to make harpoon guns for whaling out of surplus Martini-Henry actions, they're about as solid as you can get.
The ultimate bore obstruction
(In Heavy's voice) - Is BABY round for BABIES !"
Now that I think about it, I would love for this gun to be in tf2
I have no idea why they terminated your account in the first place. Anyway, glad to see you back.
Max Pain true
I want one so bad. Love old wood and metal guns, and that thing sounds like a cannon! Probably hits like a truck too!
Theres a video of one going through 20 or so inches of ballistic gel, implies it would do quite a bit of damage
The original load was a 480gr bullet at 1350fps. That is buffalo+ killing power. The 577/450 would hit like sledgehammer.
International Military Antiques has Ex-Nepalese Army M1885's and M1871's for sale for roughly 1000 USD
Welcome back Bloke!
welcome back bloke
Sounds amazing
I'd love to see a comparison of the effects these weapons have on Ballistic gel.
There wouldn’t be much left of the gel block when hit by a martini Henry, medical officers of the day reported exit wounds nearly the width of a mans back
@@tomsoki5738 do you have a source on that? sounds wild
Awesome video. I play alot of battlefield 1. The martini Henry is my favorite scout weapon. Also, Please can you make a video on thr ptrs-41 😊
Well done that man. I bet you wouldn't keep your finger tips on the barrel after 20 rounds! By 25 my Martini Henry MkIV (also an 'A' ex Enfield Martini [pedant moment] ) was oozing oil from the heated wood and burning my finger tips.
John Fisk- Yes- in the Zulu War of 1879, the men would wind cloth bandage around the barrel to make easier to handle when it began to overheat.
Sometimes I think the load one/shoot one saved the day at Rourkes Drift because it kept the rate of fire down and prevented them burning through all their ammunition to no effect in the first few hours of the battle.
But they kept that kind of firing well into the magazine era, only getting rid of it post-Boer-war. But even then, the rate of fire was tightly controlled. In the pre-SMLE era, the magazine was held in reserve until commanded to use it (which is part of why they were late-adopters of charger loading)
It was more important with something like the Martini which doesn't deal with sticky hot brass. A bolt action has much more extraction leverage due to the camming action of the bolt. A tilting block relies on the extractor spring. Additionally the originally wrapped brass 577/450 cartridge base would tear under too much extraction force.
Just one comment. There are historical accounts of soldiers in action stacking rounds between the fingers of their left hand for immediate use as this is quicker than reaching into a pouch for a new round each time,. In this video the shooter fired 10 rounds in just under a minute, whereas using the stacking process I have shot 15 rounds per minute (although poorly aimed). This stacking practice goes back to Marlborough's time when soldiers stuffed paper cartridges between the buttons of their coat. I know that If I was facing a horde of screaming Zulus I would be looking for the fasting way of hurling lead in their direction.
True, this was also done for committee testing to find the fastest theoretical ROF, with cartridges stated as “being prepared” for the shooter, i.e. within easy reach. However it’s not very representative of what rapid aimed fire would be.
Imagination that rate of fire by individual British Soldier at Rorkes Drift. Would have made quite a dent in the Zulu lines.
Would have perhaps equalled the ranked volley fire.
British Soldiers rapid fire at the first Battle against the advancing Germans made the germans believe they were facing machine gun fire.
On the range that thing sounds like the deck gun of a battle ship.
Excellent, I'd love a Martini, not the cheapest to keep fed but if I ever got the chance I'd pick one up.
"nice shooting" Bloke is good friend.
Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead : Fire at will!
Pvt. Owen : That's very nice of him
Welcome back!
Imagine going from a musket to one of these. Like a leap into the future
Nice I feel guilty that I put my martini Henry case forming on hold now...oh well inspiration to get that knocked out this summer I suppose
I am reading Jim Corbett's 'Man-Eaters of Kumaon' and I've 'met' this rifle if I do not mistake.
Apart from depicting a very humane and also inhumane lively picture of India, with an uncanny talent, Corbett provides the reader with his 'mad fraction of a second' (my words...) shooting in which he lands one followed by a second shot and dodges landing on 'the eternal hunting fields' by the skin of his teeth. Or the tiger's, whichever is thinnest...
If you survive the man eating tigers of youtube, maybe you could do some Jim Corbett's guns and shooting one day? I suppose it is a topic far from your alley, but who knows?
And, why not?... welcome back.
zachariaszut Corbett was an amazing hunter and a better naturalist. I read that when someone asked him what was his favorite weapon to use against tigers, he responded “a camera!”
IMfromNYCity, indeed.
Would be interesting to see a rapid-fire comparison between a Martin--Henry and a breechloading Springfield. I have a Martini-Enfield and, based on personal experience, guess that the Martini would be a little faster.
I would expect it to be, no need to fiddle with a hammer on the Martini after all.
Tad faster than the Rolling Block :)
Much quicker then it's American contemporaries the Springfield Trapdoor and the Remington Rolling Block. One of these days I will find one that I can stick in the safe with my rolling block so they can argue over which is better lol. Great video thanks for sharing.
The crazy thing is that the action was designed by an American but was never considered by the US Army (although a few state militias bought Peabody rifles). From what I've read it was more complex and more expensive than the rolling block. I personally think that John Browning's Winchester High Wall or the German Werder M1869 were the best of all the big bore single shots from that era.
@@nathanbelcher6178 The Browning was the best, it just was a late comer to the game. It was even to late for the big buffalo hunts.
Well done that man
It's a breechloader, so what's that ramrod under the barrel used for? Is it just for style?
It's not a ramrod, it's a cleaning / clearing rod. For cleaning and for knocking out stuck cases.
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"Death by spreadsheet geekery" - love it!!!!
Hows the recoil of a martini?
cool. kinda reminds me of the hallway scene in terminator 2
It sounds like distant thunder. I like it.
How much more devastating would a line with these martini Henry’s compare to soldiers with muskets? Could 1000 defeat 5,000? 10,000?
As a friend used to say about the MH - load bratwurst and fire !
way thumbs up!
y does your gun audio sound so much better than forgotton weapons's
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.577/450_Martini%E2%80%93Henry#/media/File:Snider-Martini-Enfield_Cartridges.JPG
One of the more contentious debates in American history is whether it's possible to fire three aimed shots from a 6.5x52 in eight seconds.
And it's been demonstrated in several reconstructions that it's possible :)
Don't tell that to the conspiracy nuts!
When did Churchill shoot a rifle in combat? I thought he was always involved as a war correspondent, and only used his Mauser C96 when absolutely necessary
I never said he did shoot one. In any case, he was in the army before he was a war correspondant.
Churchill described it. You know, like someone who describes fighting, in writing, for money. What dyou call it... A war correspondent.
I think this account was in one of his books rather than a correspondent's piece for a newspaper or journal. It's in one of the Britishmuzzleloaders videos, but I can't remember which.
Which I arranged for Lindybeige to narrate, actually :)
After reading up about it, I think the video you remember was about the battle of Omdurman, in which Lee-Metford rifles were used to great effect (for their volley fire capabilities as well as cut-off/magazine fire). Churchill was involved in a cavalry charge with the Lancers, which seems to be one of the few times he was in a battle as a soldier, and not as a war correspondent.
Impressive
I would love one of these unnnnggg
Pretty cool
The martini henry reminds me a lot of a High wall
Martini Henry was first and suffers (from a target shooting perspective) from its design as a service rifle. The 1885 though is much more sophisticated and makes a great target rifle.
How many yards?
50-odd. Something like that.
@@BlokeontheRange 50 metres, lane 5.
Blokes of Harlech onto gloryThis shall ever be your story
Always great to see a bit of "cross eyed old bitch" content here on BotR!
That is officially the sexiest sound ive heard holy shit
Nice video, but please show the round up close next time
Stilllll as fast as a mauser
not quite tho...
not even close
Perhaps standing, but as soon as you go prone there is the slight problem of the lever.
Hell no...
ever wondered what it sounded like when Thanos knocked on your door?
10 rounds rapid? So two chaps with wings, then?
Subbed you.
Almost exactly 10 in 50 seconds.
An Opera
Even if you miss the advancing native with the spear, the shock wave will kill him. A 'handy bayonet fixture is designed into this rifle, just in case the marauding fuzzywuzzy gets within bayoneting range.
Another cringeworthy use of the phrase "weapons system"
I usually expect that sort of buzz word from the likes of Larry Vickers but with good content like this I'll let it slide 😉
I'm 100% certain that Stan's use was entirely ironic and was taking the piss out of such people :)
Liked the comment on idiotic terminology