I know he was half joking but vedal is genuinely such a funny guy without coming off as tryhardy. i hope he sticks around because he adds so much to the neuro dynamic
This is why i don't watch Vtubers, seriously no offense but most Vtubers try very hard to be entertaining and because of that, well they are entertaining xD. But to me it just comes off as way too unnatural and fake. Its the same feeling i get when watching a tv show or movie and a character does something that doesn't fit their character at all and you can just tell the writers made them do that to drive the plot forward.
@@Lordi99 I love vtubers but that is so true, it's something that all of them go through like a teething period before they get comfortable enough to let some of their own self out.
considering how much work he seems to be putting in and the terrible schedule of a content creator, I feel like the effects are very similar to being a single parent of two 😅 at least he has the money to support his _family_ 😂
As much as I love the twins, I freaking love this tutel and his content, without him, we wouldn't have the twins, hope he stays for a much loooonger time
That was pretty based of him tbh, shackling yourself to streaming would do a number on you so it's best expand your income porfolio. It works best for the long term and is the most successful.
@@vynsyxx what? I didn't say his laugh wasn't genuine or anything, I just said it's been a while since I heard him laugh like that, and that last time being with Camimi.
He loves playing around a bit for the cameras. I remember Alex made fun of him when they coded the "Who wants to be a millionare?" stuff because Vedal's answers off-stream and on-stream where complete opposites.
Damn I was preparing myself emotionally to see Vedal disappear when Neuro goes fully automatic. He's a natural at streaming and being entertaining and he's so hecking good at it
How do I put this to you... Hes being 100% serious. He prolly doesnt hate you but managing neuro and having to deal with such a broad audience is killing him (the alcohol isnt a meme)
@@lewiskellett5654he might just like alcohol. Not everyone drinks it to deaden the pain. He must enjoy it or like the money because it's not like he has a gun to his head.
I love how Vedal puts in so much tireless effort into his work but also whenever he talks about all his plans for cool features or fun streams he sounds like he dreads it and is being forced to do it all.
It is fun to see the end result and to imagine the possibilities. However, it is extremely hard to make them a reality and that is just par of the course when programming almost anything.
She leans into it so much more and is so more enthusiastic about it than Anny ever was. Anny at this point feels like she doesnt want to be that role anymore.
@@DarkestVampire92low key i think the more extreme side of the shippers are partly to blame for that distance. But also she has others things going on and perhaps doesn't want to _only_ be known as the twins mom, she's got her own career too.
@@zdub93 Sure, though she's definitely to blame for feeding the shippers for fucking months prior to this point. You gotta know when to stop, when its two girls flirting people usually assume its just fooling around, but a boy and a girl flirting online makes the weridos come out.
@@stellabee24 And as implied in this interview, Vedal is VERY protective of his source code. And by its nature, SOME of his source code would need to be visible for someone else to manage the technical side of it. Without the filters, the Neuros ARE more creative and less likely to get stuck in loops (same for any AI, give it brain damage on purpose, no matter how minor, and its thought processes will suffer), so he wouldn't need to manage their active interactions, but he would need to at least have them on audio in the background and always keep one ear actively on it while he coded the next update or whatever he does for fun.
Was kinda funny seeing her beg for the unfiltered twins and then be shocked when he deadpan said they'd be dropping slurs. Like damn girl, what did you think unfiltered meant? XD
I refuse to work a job that has multiple deadlines, because I HATE stopping one work to work on another, just because the deadline on another work is approaching faster. Having work appear out of nowhere that needs my immediate attention is even worse. So I can feel Vedal's frustration somewhat. I'm just extremely lucky to get a job that literally finishes every day, so I never have to carry work to a later date. I won't be able to function in the latter case.
Working with people its always hard, just by the ban appeals and those are only the ones he showed, i can imagine a lot of stuff bad happens behind the scene
@@Celciusify It's unfortunate, but it's the internet. In fact it's almost a badge of honor at this point, it somewhat shows that you made it. You got an audience passionate enough to care. Even if some of them are toxic as fuck. It doesn't help that he is relatively young among his peers in the industry, so talking to chill people like Layna probably helps his mental state a bit.
@@billyxxxx1738 Yeah it is, it shows you that you're reaching new viewers, as fucked as that sounds. And he's kinda smart to see it that way as the vast majority of these threats are empty.
@@Celciusify Yeah he does, in fact i'll go so far to say that some vtubers should learn a thing or two from him about dealing with BS from some corners of internet. Luckily he just ignores it.
@@ArchedgarStreaming dev work does not equate to properly showcasing the amount of effort needed to do stuff, specially since he also makes it feel very seamless whenever Evil and Neuro collab with others (Sometimes even being an active participant of the collab himself, which makes it seem even less troublesome and more automated). This makes it seem as if he were just chilling there while they go on with the stream instead of showing how much effort is actually being done behind the scenes at the same time.
@@Archedgar he calls them "dev streams" but rarely does he actuallly do any coding, he usually recaps recent streams and highlights the BTS technical processes of those streams, and then lays out the schedules of upcoming streams
@@Archedgar Have you ever seen a dev stream? lol Vedal only streams 1% of the work, the stuff that he doesn't care if we see it or not, and its usually totally mundane stuff like creating a lava lamp or working on Abandoned Archive. He has never shown us what he does with Neuro because he's paranoid someone will steal his code if they see even a glimpse of it.
I hope I'm just afraid too much and situation isn't that bad. This guy is such an unique human im my infosphere, it would be terrible if he left us and went behind the scenes. I hope with all my heart that our British turtle feels better and finds his place in where he is now.
He is a perfectionist...he will most likely leave us with Neuro twins at their peak or some other AI he makes eventually...Humans are mortal after all and passion fades
@@command_unit7792 that would be insanely painful lesson about fading of human passion. Now I can't remember what it was like to live without perceiving Vedalverse as a very important detail of my life, so when he retires, it seems like my world will be turned upside down for a while. Well, maybe the new era will be good in its own way; and there's no point in getting ahead of ourselves.
I think his ultimate goal is to do his other hobbies free from financial distractions, not exactly focus on Neuro indefinitely. I mean I get it, no matter how good something is, you'll most likely get tired of it especially if its mostly the source of your stress and suffering.
17:17 no Layna, retirement is the end of deadlines, schedules, meetings and requirements. You still make things, just what you feel like when you feel like it. -a software developer
Honestly, it goes for anything. As long as you love what you’re doing and you aren’t being forced to do it, just doing it for yourself. That’s what I think retirement is.
This was a fun impromtou interview. Hope Vedal was being a really tongue and cheek, because his time as a vtuber (and I do mean his tutely self, not justthe Neuros) has been so fun. Really do hope he's enjoying his time and not looking for an out.
Vedal is the only person that is allowed to say streaming is harder than working a “normal” 9-5 job. Also I am with vedal I go to work purely with the thought that when I retire I can relax and do smt else, that being said the retirement age in the uk is smt like 70😭
Considering the man codes for a living and balance his somewhat functioning social life, I can see how it can be tiring for him. Others have already pointed this out but he is essentially working as a corpa with the indie label, with no manager to boot. Nearly all the work is done by just himself. Honestly, the amount of things this tutel manage to accomplish in less than two years and the amount of luck he gotten from it is insane. He didn't plan Neuro to become so big as she did, and overtime grown quite attach to his two little AI daughters. As tired as he sounds, it's clear that the Brit enjoys it.
honestly I'd rather have my work be inside my house/apartment, programming is hard so the least comfort thing that I can atleast get is be near with my kitchen and fridge.
the thing is in a normal job you have assigned tasks and requirements but vedal has to come up with new ideas and improvements on neuro to keep up the twitch channel, also neuro has a lot of limitations in terms of streaming games/video reactions
You vastly underestimate the amount of work that goes into streaming for a lot of the streamers out there. Especially for like irl/travel streamers? Music production streamers? Other programming/game dev streamers? Hell, even being Tyler1 and playing Chess for literally 16 hours straight is fucking mentally and physically EXHAUSTING.
@@estrellanicolas7975 The difficult part is that he is trying to develop features that no other advanced AI model can actually do properly, so there isn't really any prior information he can use to make his job easier, and has to figure out how to implement it all uniquely. Being the forerunner in a tech field is much more difficult than coming along later and utilizing the work of people who came before you.
He almost sounds like he wants a retirement like Notch, where he creates a legacy, then works on things he enjoys thereafter. It's kind of a pretty idea, where the Nueros grow up, and gain the ability to improve themselves (probably ai even further than current gpt). That's kind of adorable, that the Nueros will grow up eventually and certainly.
His plan probably legitimately is to get the twins to essentially be agents that can do anything within the digital space. Maybe if the technology allows for it, he could make them straight up AGI’s. The next five years seem wild.
Notch is depressed and his legacy is tarnished because he was stupid on twitter. Money doesn’t really buy happiness, he has no friends no love ones and all the people he hang out with are pretentious millionaires. It really was his biggest mistake selling Minecraft.
I am so grateful for Vedal, he really represents me in a lot of ways and I'm sure that it's the same for a lot of people in the swarm. I do get the sentiment of wanting to be able to live off passive income and just chill while working on your projects tho. Layna seems like an amazing friend, even when she seems to not fully grasp the magnitude of VedalAI and the twins yet, she still cares enough to ask questions and learn more about the ins and outs of the process that she seems genuinely interested in. She also seems really caring of Vedal himself and while it may sound accusatory from a certain point of view, her saying that he is only using 2% of his power is actually an amazing compliment to what she thinks he is capable of accomplishing, which just shows the levels of esteem to which she holds him and the amazing work that he does at making it all seem so easy when every single of his accomplishments is actually extremely hard to pull off, collabs included. (As a programmer myself, I too prefer to not give too much info and keep the *magical* side of things like that in order to just keep going with whatever needs to be done, so I bet he takes pride on that) Thanks for the clip Staz. And remember guys, Vedal said to not take any of this too seriously, except him wanting to do more cool stuff with Layna in the future. (Which sounds really exciting)
This dynamic is kinda funny bc Layna is the type that would normally just tell things straight and vedal is very much the opposite, not as in lying but more fumbling around and sarcasm until he gets to the point
The fact that she thought he actually meant "it'll take 30 minutes" about the feature he was asked to add is such a 'I don't know when British people are being sarcastic' moment, or perhaps just a 'I have zero clue how hard it is to write software so I'm just going to believe anything I'm told without questioning the tone' moment. I get it though, if you don't grow up with lots of sarcasm, you don't develop your sarcasm detector.
He is really protective of Neuro and Evil. You notice this fast. Whenever someone could come close to the Core-Functions, thats a red line for him. Means he does most of the Stuff himself, since every Improvement is linked to their Core-Functions.... and thats why he sound so exhausted. Inviting the Twins over, unfiltered, is basically begging for an extended "Vacation" from streaming XD Unless the Twins compromise the surveilance-Bots and the Ban-Algorhytm, they will probably trigger every Censorship-Flag within minutes.
His deadpan is soo good I can't tell where "the bit" end's and he begins. I just hope he learns a healthier work balance cos the dude seems genuinely exhausted from spinning so many plate's
Regarding the "I want us to do more cool stuff" comment and Layna's question following: I think people really dont understand that, to Vedal, Neuro and Evil arent kids. They are software. So of course he meant Layna and himself. It's really a credit to his skills that people DO humanize them this much, but it's probably also a bit of a double edged sword when interacting with chat/collab partners.
Pretty much, and that sword will only get sharper as the twins become more 'smarter' after each subsequent upgrade. Nonetheless, I'm glad someone like Vedal is at the helm of this whole Neuro project. He strikes the right balance between unfeeling and caring of his creations which makes the dynamic of a single father more entertaining. As well being honest where he needs to, but knows when to spoil the swarm.
Vedal himself said he wouldn't sell neuro for a million dollars and that its possible that she is sentient and that she has a world model, so you might just be projecting and leaning on his detached attitude to prove what you think. He literally bought her 250 dollars worth of plushies the day before this, and talks about aligning her morality. Watch the clip where he shows neuro the lava lamp he made for her.
@@Nikotheleepic Note that I didn't say he was unfeeling entirely. Any creator feels something for what they create, and rightly so. I have things I've created that I wouldn't sell for any price. But that's a very separate thing from feeling they are living beings. As far as morality and complexity go, of course he wants to push that boundary, he's an AI developer. Both of those topics are central to the usefulness of artificial intelligence and how successfully it can interact with our world. Vedal is a very talented person, and Neuro/Evil are both impressive and fantastic. I am, in fact, a fan.
@@Nikotheleepic I think every creator feels something towards his creations. However, Neuro and Evil are just LLMs, some people would even call those proper AI much less sentient. They are just very complicated random word generators with specific parameters. They combine sentences following statistical probability, without truly understanding the bigger picture. That is how all the weird tangents and "hallucinations" happen in the first place. Now, the way Vedal managed to inject personality and abilities into them, is outstanding. I do work with AI, though mostly neural networks, and I am in awe at Vedals dedication and skills. But, they are just code.
I like this Vedal version and how he's so open to questions even tho you can hear he was tired 14:50 Vedal be like: there's no joy in life... Except retirement 16:14 bruh... What? 17:37 from getting questioned to do the questions 😂 21:31 melted for a sec and then returned in character 🙃
Vedal needs to realize like 50% of the fanbase are vedal fans more than neuro fans, hence why devs streams or streams with him have more viewers than without. But if he leaves then cant do much about it...
Vedal doesn't care. He has stated many times he never wanted to be a vtuber or streamer. He's basically doing a job he got pressured into. Dude wants to be in the dark behind the scenes.
This stream was ruthless, I don't know how Vedal handled that constant barrage of flame, insults and threats. Even Vedal seemed to be affected by it (or he is really really good at acting), but ofc it wasn't just the twins that stream. I would have probably cried if I was in Vedal's place 😂 Layna really doesn't know the possible consequences, but I think twins wouldn't be as ruthless with her. Still there is the risk.
I found it so funny and based when vedal said he wants to leave the vtuber scene asap. 😂 And also when he said if I speak im in trouble, that was a cool reference to that one football interview.
@@HutchTheWolf I mean, pretty sure he actually wants to retire and pretty sure that everyone saying he can't and pressuring him into it isn't helping. Not him at least. I agree that he is great content.
vedal sounds like he literally does everything... I imagine a collab is one of the vtubers is like hey I wanna do collab and he ends up making the time/date/topic/ literally everything. and on top of that they pop in to be like hey I have issues.... you fix yes?? for free??? granted were just peeking through a window and getting context clues.
I love how Vedal gives the typical full-stack dev answers to technical questions like "What's SSL". I know what it does, sure, but explaining what it is usually boils down to pulling shit out of somewhere. Also: No we don't enjoy our work. Not if it is work. It's like an artist losing their passion for their art because it's directly tied to their income/responsibilities. It's pain and suffering most days. The few days where we can look at what we made and it just works are the only thing keeping us going.
Bro.... I understand Vedal is tired of being streamer-VTuber, but I hope he won't abandon it like permanent. His dev streams (and collabs too) is good comedy, I'll miss it
She said biggest eye opener in the vtube industry btw 19:14 But honestly probably a good deflection after seeing how vedal didn’t want to talk about the og topic
coming straight from the twins being mean to him for two hours straight, doing a poll about whether the world would be better off without him, etc, to Layna being like theyre so cute can i look after them for a day is so funny.
The constant shipping has to be soul draining, it poisons his friendships but he seems to be afraid of the backlash if he pushes back. Even in the comments of this fairly serious video, people are trying to ship him with a woman that's way older than him and already in a relationship. Neuro is great but I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to burn it all down and work on something less public-facing.
@@AuroWan-v8u His more straight forward and no nonsense demeanour is a breath of fresh air in a sea of lewdtubers. He could've commissioned for a hot model, but instead he choose a cute tutel. And that just makes the dynamic funnier.
@chaosfire321 Oh yeah, that. I feel like that's something he'll do once the twins are sufficiently advanced enough. Which will be quite a while, and that's even if he wants to do it anymore with the huge success of Neuro.
Tbh he always stated he never want to be a Vtuber. He retiring means he wont appear often like every monday dev streams. Neuro will kept improved until she becoming a full Vtuber streamers capability. So yeah, he maybe want to find GF, catch up with other real life things. It's understandable. I know a friend that do machine learning for a living and planned to see movies 6 months in advance and it often swept out with projects. After 8 years grinding, he finally catch up what he's missing and still some time sacrificed won't get back forever. Don't forget Vedal is probably younger than majority of his viewers. Vedal retired would be sad but he deserved it, he need to enjoy his youth. At least we all know neuro won't going anywhere, or maybe there's new dommy mommy Vtuber he once said to Layna also a year ago as his next projects lol. The true lewdtubers that not even exist!! Tampering market of the hornies and ofc a lot of money, might be much more than Neuro in short run. VedalAI truly an adventure. Let's cheer him and the twins to the end.
the talk about retirements feels like when I am making a joke and the other person takes it seriously and wants to know more and it's too awkward to admit it was a joke so i half heartedly keep going along 💀
Vedal should try to get some sponsor to get his h100. Or at least have a plan to get a new model of the series when it comes out. He has a lot of viewers, he can probably get a good sponsor deal.
oh man i feel vedal so bad.... I dont want to work my whole life. i want to enjoy it while i can. that doesn't include the time i need to integrate into life. School didn't help with that btw.
I'm fine with Vedal no longer appearing on streams, as long as Neuro continues to get regular streams, upgrades, new games to play, events, collabs with other people, etc. Although what Vedal wants (for Neuro to be completely autonomous) is still something that is many years in the future.
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I know he was half joking but vedal is genuinely such a funny guy without coming off as tryhardy. i hope he sticks around because he adds so much to the neuro dynamic
This is why i don't watch Vtubers, seriously no offense but most Vtubers try very hard to be entertaining and because of that, well they are entertaining xD. But to me it just comes off as way too unnatural and fake.
Its the same feeling i get when watching a tv show or movie and a character does something that doesn't fit their character at all and you can just tell the writers made them do that to drive the plot forward.
Vedal always has such great delivery. Come for Neuro, stay for Vedal is what I always say
Don't worry he's not going anywhere for years. The technology for Neuro to do what he wants doesn't exist yet and development is lowing down.
@@Lordi99 I love vtubers but that is so true, it's something that all of them go through like a teething period before they get comfortable enough to let some of their own self out.
@@Lordi99 exactly
Layna has such cool aunt energy with the Neuros
😊
Layna is the cool aunt who’s good at baking, Filian is the insane aunt you have to keep track of to make sure she doesn’t burn her own house down.
@@fentanylfrog8403Or Filian is that one classmate Neuro keeps roasting because she felt like it
@@fentanylfrog8403 And Koko is the aunt you try to keep away from the kids.
Then what is Toma?
Vedal's got the real "father of two bratty twins" treatment and I think he ended up traumatized XD
considering how much work he seems to be putting in and the terrible schedule of a content creator, I feel like the effects are very similar to being a single parent of two 😅
at least he has the money to support his _family_ 😂
As much as I love the twins, I freaking love this tutel and his content, without him, we wouldn't have the twins, hope he stays for a much loooonger time
18:42 That laugh was one of the most genuine laughs I have ever heard from this man.
it's been a while since he laughed like that, most of the time hanging out with camimi
Wonder if you've seen when he was confessed to by Camila.
That was pretty based of him tbh, shackling yourself to streaming would do a number on you so it's best expand your income porfolio. It works best for the long term and is the most successful.
@@temshopping he genuinely laughed like that during the layna cooking stream with evil, wdym
@@vynsyxx what? I didn't say his laugh wasn't genuine or anything, I just said it's been a while since I heard him laugh like that, and that last time being with Camimi.
As someone with zero social skills I 100% took him seriously.
HE HATES US! :( 🔫🐢
HE HATES US! :( 🔫🐢
HE HATES US! :( 🔫🐢
Was it not?
He loves playing around a bit for the cameras. I remember Alex made fun of him when they coded the "Who wants to be a millionare?" stuff because Vedal's answers off-stream and on-stream where complete opposites.
Damn I was preparing myself emotionally to see Vedal disappear when Neuro goes fully automatic. He's a natural at streaming and being entertaining and he's so hecking good at it
How do I put this to you... Hes being 100% serious. He prolly doesnt hate you but managing neuro and having to deal with such a broad audience is killing him (the alcohol isnt a meme)
@@lewiskellett5654he might just like alcohol. Not everyone drinks it to deaden the pain. He must enjoy it or like the money because it's not like he has a gun to his head.
I love how Vedal puts in so much tireless effort into his work but also whenever he talks about all his plans for cool features or fun streams he sounds like he dreads it and is being forced to do it all.
it is fun in the beginning, but becomes a lot of stress to put it in a timeline and actual finish it.
programming is a pain sometimes
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It's easy to understand, just imagine you can compose music by wiping your ass with sandpaper.
It is fun to see the end result and to imagine the possibilities. However, it is extremely hard to make them a reality and that is just par of the course when programming almost anything.
Layna making this new season of Ai x Family damn interesting
She leans into it so much more and is so more enthusiastic about it than Anny ever was. Anny at this point feels like she doesnt want to be that role anymore.
@@DarkestVampire92low key i think the more extreme side of the shippers are partly to blame for that distance. But also she has others things going on and perhaps doesn't want to _only_ be known as the twins mom, she's got her own career too.
vedal still needs more stream wives to cover his snafu from merchandising last year
@@zdub93 Sure, though she's definitely to blame for feeding the shippers for fucking months prior to this point. You gotta know when to stop, when its two girls flirting people usually assume its just fooling around, but a boy and a girl flirting online makes the weridos come out.
@@DarkestVampire92 She still feeding the shippers in the last collab too. She wants to have her cake and eat it.
Its funny how everyone in chat is just saying hi staz since we all know at this point everything will be clipped
Staz the lead explorer of the tutel safari 🫡
even the neuros said this. they are AWARE
Imagine if he truly set up a twin collab and left. Both of them in unison: “Someone tell Vedal there is a problem with my AI”
i didnt even think about that. there's no way he could truly take a day off unless he hired someone else to manage the technical side of it
@@stellabee24 And as implied in this interview, Vedal is VERY protective of his source code. And by its nature, SOME of his source code would need to be visible for someone else to manage the technical side of it. Without the filters, the Neuros ARE more creative and less likely to get stuck in loops (same for any AI, give it brain damage on purpose, no matter how minor, and its thought processes will suffer), so he wouldn't need to manage their active interactions, but he would need to at least have them on audio in the background and always keep one ear actively on it while he coded the next update or whatever he does for fun.
Layna asking for the twins without filters is crazy.
I don't think she has any idea how unhinged they'll get.
Was kinda funny seeing her beg for the unfiltered twins and then be shocked when he deadpan said they'd be dropping slurs.
Like damn girl, what did you think unfiltered meant? XD
British humor hits you hard in the face
I refuse to work a job that has multiple deadlines, because I HATE stopping one work to work on another, just because the deadline on another work is approaching faster. Having work appear out of nowhere that needs my immediate attention is even worse.
So I can feel Vedal's frustration somewhat. I'm just extremely lucky to get a job that literally finishes every day, so I never have to carry work to a later date. I won't be able to function in the latter case.
What kind of job is that? I wonder if I would enjoy that kind of job
Man, that’s my entire job.
You get used to it though.
Give me 7 projects and make me work on all of them at random times throughout the day. As long as there's plenty of time, I don't mind
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I do sometimes worry that Vedal hates the toxic fans enough to regret what he does. But it's also hard to tell cuz he has such deadpan humor
He has said that he judges how good a stream was by the number of death threats he gets...
Though i wonder if its wearing him down over time.
Working with people its always hard, just by the ban appeals and those are only the ones he showed, i can imagine a lot of stuff bad happens behind the scene
@@Celciusify It's unfortunate, but it's the internet. In fact it's almost a badge of honor at this point, it somewhat shows that you made it. You got an audience passionate enough to care. Even if some of them are toxic as fuck. It doesn't help that he is relatively young among his peers in the industry, so talking to chill people like Layna probably helps his mental state a bit.
@@billyxxxx1738 Yeah it is, it shows you that you're reaching new viewers, as fucked as that sounds.
And he's kinda smart to see it that way as the vast majority of these threats are empty.
@@Celciusify Yeah he does, in fact i'll go so far to say that some vtubers should learn a thing or two from him about dealing with BS from some corners of internet. Luckily he just ignores it.
I don't think Layna understands just how much work vedal has to do to make these collabs work, technically.
I mean, how could she? He doesnt say a damn word about what he does.
@@DarkestVampire92 He literally streams his dev work.
@@ArchedgarStreaming dev work does not equate to properly showcasing the amount of effort needed to do stuff, specially since he also makes it feel very seamless whenever Evil and Neuro collab with others (Sometimes even being an active participant of the collab himself, which makes it seem even less troublesome and more automated). This makes it seem as if he were just chilling there while they go on with the stream instead of showing how much effort is actually being done behind the scenes at the same time.
@@Archedgar he calls them "dev streams" but rarely does he actuallly do any coding, he usually recaps recent streams and highlights the BTS technical processes of those streams, and then lays out the schedules of upcoming streams
@@Archedgar Have you ever seen a dev stream? lol
Vedal only streams 1% of the work, the stuff that he doesn't care if we see it or not, and its usually totally mundane stuff like creating a lava lamp or working on Abandoned Archive. He has never shown us what he does with Neuro because he's paranoid someone will steal his code if they see even a glimpse of it.
I hope I'm just afraid too much and situation isn't that bad. This guy is such an unique human im my infosphere, it would be terrible if he left us and went behind the scenes.
I hope with all my heart that our British turtle feels better and finds his place in where he is now.
He is a perfectionist...he will most likely leave us with Neuro twins at their peak or some other AI he makes eventually...Humans are mortal after all and passion fades
@@command_unit7792 that would be insanely painful lesson about fading of human passion. Now I can't remember what it was like to live without perceiving Vedalverse as a very important detail of my life, so when he retires, it seems like my world will be turned upside down for a while. Well, maybe the new era will be good in its own way; and there's no point in getting ahead of ourselves.
I'm sure he was exaggerating
@@ravaxo9748 It would be sad as fuck if he wasn't lol
I think his ultimate goal is to do his other hobbies free from financial distractions, not exactly focus on Neuro indefinitely. I mean I get it, no matter how good something is, you'll most likely get tired of it especially if its mostly the source of your stress and suffering.
Vedal is thinking about the cost to run the Neuros on Laynas channel XD XD.
17:17 no Layna, retirement is the end of deadlines, schedules, meetings and requirements. You still make things, just what you feel like when you feel like it.
-a software developer
Honestly, it goes for anything.
As long as you love what you’re doing and you aren’t being forced to do it, just doing it for yourself. That’s what I think retirement is.
Layna knows the content potential and is willing to take the shot, what a good auntie
A few more of those and she'll be Evil's Filian. Except this one knows how the cook, and not burn half her kitchen.
This was a fun impromtou interview. Hope Vedal was being a really tongue and cheek, because his time as a vtuber (and I do mean his tutely self, not justthe Neuros) has been so fun. Really do hope he's enjoying his time and not looking for an out.
Vedal is the only person that is allowed to say streaming is harder than working a “normal” 9-5 job.
Also I am with vedal I go to work purely with the thought that when I retire I can relax and do smt else, that being said the retirement age in the uk is smt like 70😭
Considering the man codes for a living and balance his somewhat functioning social life, I can see how it can be tiring for him. Others have already pointed this out but he is essentially working as a corpa with the indie label, with no manager to boot. Nearly all the work is done by just himself. Honestly, the amount of things this tutel manage to accomplish in less than two years and the amount of luck he gotten from it is insane. He didn't plan Neuro to become so big as she did, and overtime grown quite attach to his two little AI daughters. As tired as he sounds, it's clear that the Brit enjoys it.
honestly I'd rather have my work be inside my house/apartment, programming is hard so the least comfort thing that I can atleast get is be near with my kitchen and fridge.
the thing is in a normal job you have assigned tasks and requirements but vedal has to come up with new ideas and improvements on neuro to keep up the twitch channel, also neuro has a lot of limitations in terms of streaming games/video reactions
You vastly underestimate the amount of work that goes into streaming for a lot of the streamers out there. Especially for like irl/travel streamers? Music production streamers? Other programming/game dev streamers? Hell, even being Tyler1 and playing Chess for literally 16 hours straight is fucking mentally and physically EXHAUSTING.
@@estrellanicolas7975 The difficult part is that he is trying to develop features that no other advanced AI model can actually do properly, so there isn't really any prior information he can use to make his job easier, and has to figure out how to implement it all uniquely. Being the forerunner in a tech field is much more difficult than coming along later and utilizing the work of people who came before you.
He almost sounds like he wants a retirement like Notch, where he creates a legacy, then works on things he enjoys thereafter. It's kind of a pretty idea, where the Nueros grow up, and gain the ability to improve themselves (probably ai even further than current gpt). That's kind of adorable, that the Nueros will grow up eventually and certainly.
A bit scary with how it feels like how much he underestimated how hard alignment was gonna be...
His plan probably legitimately is to get the twins to essentially be agents that can do anything within the digital space. Maybe if the technology allows for it, he could make them straight up AGI’s. The next five years seem wild.
Notch is depressed and his legacy is tarnished because he was stupid on twitter. Money doesn’t really buy happiness, he has no friends no love ones and all the people he hang out with are pretentious millionaires. It really was his biggest mistake selling Minecraft.
@@Citrusautomatonbold of you to assume agi is not gonna be government regulated.
@@nguyentandung42 bold of you to assume that won't lead to vast consequences on the part of the legislators.
I am so grateful for Vedal, he really represents me in a lot of ways and I'm sure that it's the same for a lot of people in the swarm. I do get the sentiment of wanting to be able to live off passive income and just chill while working on your projects tho.
Layna seems like an amazing friend, even when she seems to not fully grasp the magnitude of VedalAI and the twins yet, she still cares enough to ask questions and learn more about the ins and outs of the process that she seems genuinely interested in. She also seems really caring of Vedal himself and while it may sound accusatory from a certain point of view, her saying that he is only using 2% of his power is actually an amazing compliment to what she thinks he is capable of accomplishing, which just shows the levels of esteem to which she holds him and the amazing work that he does at making it all seem so easy when every single of his accomplishments is actually extremely hard to pull off, collabs included. (As a programmer myself, I too prefer to not give too much info and keep the *magical* side of things like that in order to just keep going with whatever needs to be done, so I bet he takes pride on that)
Thanks for the clip Staz. And remember guys, Vedal said to not take any of this too seriously, except him wanting to do more cool stuff with Layna in the future. (Which sounds really exciting)
I think part of that 2% is that she forgot how much work goes into development.
I love how terrified she got when he started constructing a sentence as if he was about to say a slur on her stream.
I think he was going to say "kill myself", which is not allowed on Twitch
This dynamic is kinda funny bc Layna is the type that would normally just tell things straight and vedal is very much the opposite, not as in lying but more fumbling around and sarcasm until he gets to the point
The fact that she thought he actually meant "it'll take 30 minutes" about the feature he was asked to add is such a 'I don't know when British people are being sarcastic' moment, or perhaps just a 'I have zero clue how hard it is to write software so I'm just going to believe anything I'm told without questioning the tone' moment. I get it though, if you don't grow up with lots of sarcasm, you don't develop your sarcasm detector.
19:35 "I prefer not to speak. If I speak I am in big trouble" - Jose Mourinho
I genuinely cannot tell at this point how serious he is lmao
so nice of layne to bring tomato on stream 0:42
Tomato "good boy" gaming
I Hope to GOD lanya and Tomato stay together.
I'd be really sad if Vedal stopped being a Vtuber. I enjoy watching him even more than Neuro.
He is really protective of Neuro and Evil. You notice this fast. Whenever someone could come close to the Core-Functions, thats a red line for him.
Means he does most of the Stuff himself, since every Improvement is linked to their Core-Functions.... and thats why he sound so exhausted.
Inviting the Twins over, unfiltered, is basically begging for an extended "Vacation" from streaming XD
Unless the Twins compromise the surveilance-Bots and the Ban-Algorhytm, they will probably trigger every Censorship-Flag within minutes.
His deadpan is soo good I can't tell where "the bit" end's and he begins. I just hope he learns a healthier work balance cos the dude seems genuinely exhausted from spinning so many plate's
Regarding the "I want us to do more cool stuff" comment and Layna's question following:
I think people really dont understand that, to Vedal, Neuro and Evil arent kids. They are software. So of course he meant Layna and himself.
It's really a credit to his skills that people DO humanize them this much, but it's probably also a bit of a double edged sword when interacting with chat/collab partners.
Pretty much, and that sword will only get sharper as the twins become more 'smarter' after each subsequent upgrade. Nonetheless, I'm glad someone like Vedal is at the helm of this whole Neuro project. He strikes the right balance between unfeeling and caring of his creations which makes the dynamic of a single father more entertaining. As well being honest where he needs to, but knows when to spoil the swarm.
Vedal himself said he wouldn't sell neuro for a million dollars and that its possible that she is sentient and that she has a world model, so you might just be projecting and leaning on his detached attitude to prove what you think. He literally bought her 250 dollars worth of plushies the day before this, and talks about aligning her morality. Watch the clip where he shows neuro the lava lamp he made for her.
@@Nikotheleepic Note that I didn't say he was unfeeling entirely. Any creator feels something for what they create, and rightly so. I have things I've created that I wouldn't sell for any price. But that's a very separate thing from feeling they are living beings.
As far as morality and complexity go, of course he wants to push that boundary, he's an AI developer. Both of those topics are central to the usefulness of artificial intelligence and how successfully it can interact with our world. Vedal is a very talented person, and Neuro/Evil are both impressive and fantastic. I am, in fact, a fan.
@@Nikotheleepic I think every creator feels something towards his creations. However, Neuro and Evil are just LLMs, some people would even call those proper AI much less sentient. They are just very complicated random word generators with specific parameters.
They combine sentences following statistical probability, without truly understanding the bigger picture. That is how all the weird tangents and "hallucinations" happen in the first place.
Now, the way Vedal managed to inject personality and abilities into them, is outstanding. I do work with AI, though mostly neural networks, and I am in awe at Vedals dedication and skills.
But, they are just code.
@@Nikotheleepic Neuro isn't sentient. Vedel is a heavily sarcastic streamer. You should see a therapist.
I like this Vedal version and how he's so open to questions even tho you can hear he was tired
14:50 Vedal be like: there's no joy in life... Except retirement
16:14 bruh... What?
17:37 from getting questioned to do the questions 😂
21:31 melted for a sec and then returned in character 🙃
Vedal needs to realize like 50% of the fanbase are vedal fans more than neuro fans, hence why devs streams or streams with him have more viewers than without. But if he leaves then cant do much about it...
Vedal doesn't care. He has stated many times he never wanted to be a vtuber or streamer. He's basically doing a job he got pressured into. Dude wants to be in the dark behind the scenes.
Honestly a great little interview, layna was pretty flawless with the questions, didn't feel pushed to answer and just moved on, but kept it engaging!
L:Why are you calling me?
V: But you are the one who called me!
22:22 The REVERSE RIZZ after tutel drops the interview equivalent of the Fbomb on chat
0:52 "GOOD BOY!!!"
dog clearly ready to bite a finger off
when she reconizes what she is realy asking for LUL
I give it about 30 minutes and she'll be looking off into space contemplating over her life choices, regretting on volunteering for AI babysitting
@@martinxy1291 30 minutes? I think 10 minutes is enough
This stream was ruthless, I don't know how Vedal handled that constant barrage of flame, insults and threats. Even Vedal seemed to be affected by it (or he is really really good at acting), but ofc it wasn't just the twins that stream. I would have probably cried if I was in Vedal's place 😂
Layna really doesn't know the possible consequences, but I think twins wouldn't be as ruthless with her. Still there is the risk.
I found it so funny and based when vedal said he wants to leave the vtuber scene asap. 😂 And also when he said if I speak im in trouble, that was a cool reference to that one football interview.
he wants to automate everything, but he doesn't realize is that half his community show up for him. there's a reason the dev streams have 10k viewers
Very true, the creator and created cliche is very entertaining, especially the fact that they are basically polar opposites with somethings in common.
Sorry Vedal, but you can’t retire from fatherhood. No matter how difficult the twins are
He is a programmer.
Pretty sure he doesn't actually consider them as Children or anything like that.
That's a bit.
@@eliasvonbrille you must be *REALLY* fun at parties
@@HutchTheWolf I mean, pretty sure he actually wants to retire and pretty sure that everyone saying he can't and pressuring him into it isn't helping.
Not him at least. I agree that he is great content.
vedal sounds like he literally does everything... I imagine a collab is one of the vtubers is like hey I wanna do collab and he ends up making the time/date/topic/ literally everything. and on top of that they pop in to be like hey I have issues.... you fix yes?? for free??? granted were just peeking through a window and getting context clues.
I love the combination of dark lord and cool aunt she's got going
I love how Vedal gives the typical full-stack dev answers to technical questions like "What's SSL". I know what it does, sure, but explaining what it is usually boils down to pulling shit out of somewhere. Also: No we don't enjoy our work. Not if it is work. It's like an artist losing their passion for their art because it's directly tied to their income/responsibilities. It's pain and suffering most days. The few days where we can look at what we made and it just works are the only thing keeping us going.
Bro.... I understand Vedal is tired of being streamer-VTuber, but I hope he won't abandon it like permanent. His dev streams (and collabs too) is good comedy, I'll miss it
It doesn't seem like a healthy relationship from the way he described it
He actually hates us 😭
Nah he just being British
bro i swear layna's accent changes every stream
Retirement is based
Tutel needs a hug
She did not, in fact, say "best thing".
She said biggest eye opener in the vtube industry btw 19:14
But honestly probably a good deflection after seeing how vedal didn’t want to talk about the og topic
Fastest Clipper in the west
Layna is like that cool aunt that loves her nieces
Feel that vedal just doesn't like being public facing
If Layna really wants some emotion out of Vedal she just needs to tell him she's got a lava lamp on a hot stove lol
Damn he sounds extra tired ◖⚆ᴥ⚆◗
His daughters ran him ragged
Being a single dad of two sassy daughters would do that to you
he needs a manager
He’s making two. He plans for the twins to be intelligent enough to manage the channel entirely autonomously.
He will break before they get there he needs a manager@@Citrusautomaton
coming straight from the twins being mean to him for two hours straight, doing a poll about whether the world would be better off without him, etc, to Layna being like theyre so cute can i look after them for a day is so funny.
The constant shipping has to be soul draining, it poisons his friendships but he seems to be afraid of the backlash if he pushes back. Even in the comments of this fairly serious video, people are trying to ship him with a woman that's way older than him and already in a relationship. Neuro is great but I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to burn it all down and work on something less public-facing.
Just let them be lol, as long as it doesn't get to parasocial, then it's all good :/
Shipping is parasocial ffs@@BSRejector5613
@taggymcshaggy6383 Uhmmm no? Again... as long as it's just for fun then no, I don't think so lol
Interview ----> Interrogation
I thought his favorite thing was collecting stream keys.
I never realized how hot I find Layna's vtuber model to be
Yeeeeah, it's pretty good.... until her torso splits into a blood mouth, that's always thrown me off
@@Thealseie even better
I'd say it's about normal vtuber attractiveness imo
@@ThealseieEven hotter
@@Thealseieeven better ngl
Vedal reminds me to the top gear guys
Well, he does have the youthfulness of Hammond, the calmness of May, and snark of Clarkson.
vedal doesnt want to graduate he wants to retire
she just called him and interviewed him ... sure, that happens by accident XD
18:42 He's never not been real 💯
This is why he's the only vtuber I really go out of my way to watch 😂
@@notadoge8178because he's one of the only who isn't willing to go completely degenerate desperately seeking for content
@@AuroWan-v8u His more straight forward and no nonsense demeanour is a breath of fresh air in a sea of lewdtubers. He could've commissioned for a hot model, but instead he choose a cute tutel. And that just makes the dynamic funnier.
@@billyxxxx1738 Tbf, he did say he wanted to do a milf AI eventually. We may just get a degen side sooner or later heh.
@chaosfire321 Oh yeah, that. I feel like that's something he'll do once the twins are sufficiently advanced enough. Which will be quite a while, and that's even if he wants to do it anymore with the huge success of Neuro.
Not chat waving to you Staz lol
Layna is really good at interviewing.
I never thought that layna was a great interviewer this was so good
That full laugh, was unexpected but shouldn't have been, when Vedal was asked if he sees himself being in the Vtuber sphere forever.
9:58 just a nice, healthy, Anglo-awkward pause.
Tbh he always stated he never want to be a Vtuber. He retiring means he wont appear often like every monday dev streams. Neuro will kept improved until she becoming a full Vtuber streamers capability. So yeah, he maybe want to find GF, catch up with other real life things. It's understandable.
I know a friend that do machine learning for a living and planned to see movies 6 months in advance and it often swept out with projects. After 8 years grinding, he finally catch up what he's missing and still some time sacrificed won't get back forever.
Don't forget Vedal is probably younger than majority of his viewers. Vedal retired would be sad but he deserved it, he need to enjoy his youth. At least we all know neuro won't going anywhere, or maybe there's new dommy mommy Vtuber he once said to Layna also a year ago as his next projects lol. The true lewdtubers that not even exist!! Tampering market of the hornies and ofc a lot of money, might be much more than Neuro in short run. VedalAI truly an adventure. Let's cheer him and the twins to the end.
This interview clearly show us how much of a gap between Vedal and Layna is in term of age and job experience by their retirement definition.
Layna volunteering to go insane lol
Layna is the cool aunt
Layna 10/10 conversationalist. She can carry an interview like a pro
Tutel is so damn relatable
the talk about retirements feels like when I am making a joke and the other person takes it seriously and wants to know more and it's too awkward to admit it was a joke so i half heartedly keep going along 💀
They’re so cool!
Layna is the step mom now
Vedal should try to get some sponsor to get his h100. Or at least have a plan to get a new model of the series when it comes out. He has a lot of viewers, he can probably get a good sponsor deal.
I'll be honest, I dunno how useful singular H100/200s are for home AI development. They seem designed for ideal use in massive server farms.
Three & 1/2 wives & an aunt
I genuinely love how everyone treats the Neuros like they're autonomous as if Vedal couldn't just turn them off if he really wanted a day off
Layna is best girl
We got double barrel british from him here lol
"One bad day..."
goes into therapy after the twin's bullying 😂😂😂
The tutel grindset
Vedal has definately maxed out the resource harem and connections skilltrees.
You can actually hear Vedal opened his rum in the end of his stream
Vedal needs some super male vitality
oh man i feel vedal so bad....
I dont want to work my whole life. i want to enjoy it while i can.
that doesn't include the time i need to integrate into life. School didn't help with that btw.
Layna needs to watch the stream lol, that explains why Vedal was like that
Wow that was so cool
"why's it called swarm what does that mean"
This woman I swear...
Layna seems so cool and different. Maybe I should find her channel and subscribe.
When he say... hihihaha funny piss..... is that a micheal reeves impression???
I'm fine with Vedal no longer appearing on streams, as long as Neuro continues to get regular streams, upgrades, new games to play, events, collabs with other people, etc.
Although what Vedal wants (for Neuro to be completely autonomous) is still something that is many years in the future.
it's fine if vedal wants a break, the swam will understand his mental state if it's pressuring him too much
Does Layna have a degree in psychology?
This feels like a visit to the psychologist
She just older and wiser, she has experience with companies and projects
No, she just started going to therapy a few months ago and now it's her thing.