First Day with MASCHINE+ // FINALLY a standalone Maschine!!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2020
- Finally we are getting a STANDALONE maschine, called MASCHINE+ and in todays video I am unboxing and taking a first look at it. Sponsored by DistroKid. Use my link and get 7% off: distrokid.com/vip/bobeats - its a solid service for getting your tracks onto Spotify & iTunes.
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Thank you for the review!
The most informed video I saw so far.
I'd be interested in a comparison to the mc707 for obvious reasons. (: Which one is more inspiring in your opinion?
Thats a difficult question. MC707 is much more limited, but it does have some fun performance aspects (good perf fx and a bit more hands on control). Maschine is product I really enjoy with a computer and having it standalone is amazing. But, keep in mind that I am very biased because I am a dedicated Maschine user. So to me Maschine is just way better -for me- but for someone else? Thats hard to say. I’d say Octatrack, MPC Live or One, Maschine, an iPad, mc707, deluge all have their fanbases and strengths/weaknesses. So its just about doing the research.
@@BoBeatsThx for the rapid reply! I knew I was asking smthg nearly impossible to answer objectively. (;
Why buy this when a Force is so much cheaper and there’s software to use Maschine sounds on the Force?
Can you master/record then export a track all in this?
Imagine a standalone Ableton Push, which let you go back and fourth between standalone mode and controller mode. Now that’s some thing I’d rather save up for.
And imagine the price of that...would love it tho
Oooo man Ableton has the game locked down when it comes to live looping. Bitwig us catching up though pretty fast and hopefully Maschine can add those live looping features so hardware like the jam doesn't go in vain.
Isn’t that what the Akai Force is?
Nicholas Sturgess-Monks I got the Akai Force the Ableton integration lacks a lot of features. Drum tracks cant even be exported to ableton split in different tracks, say kick, snare, clap etc. So the abilities of making any adjustments to the drum parts while in Ableton are pretty much non existent. Also the 64 pad grid can NOT be used as a midi keyboard while in Ableton mode ...
I think the advantage of the push2 is that you can make a beat on just the push and then immediately continue working on the song in Ableton.
When I use my MPC live I can export to ableton, but then I can just export midi or rendered samples
Nice video, mate! ⚡️
Heard a lot of pushback on the new unit this past week on social media. So it's basically Rage Against The Maschine+.
Best comment on the "+" I've heard - nice one :)
My personal opinion I think the ultimate stand-alone will be MASCHINE STUDIO MK2 with a touch screen and Battery portability with a better processor with a least 32gb ram with a ssd installed. 3rd party vst plugins compatibility also be able to load the entire komplete plugins. It will be a dream come true
"Studio" doesn't imply portable and battery-powered though. Mikro perhaps.
I was waiting for your walkthrough. You are really a wizard with these standalone devices and synths. I can't wait to watch this when I get off work.
Your video really cleared up a lot of questions and rumored issues going around! Thank you, im definitely upgrading from my MK3
Thanks for this!! I’m so hyped to get mine but I know not to set my expectations TOO high!!
Yeah man! I think you will love it for what it is. And heres 🙏 for even more VST goodies down the line
Thanks for this!! I'm so excited for this unit!!!
80% CPU usage for such a simple arrangement? Sigh.. wish they went with a better CPU than the Intel Atom.
Yeah... but I guess there's always the heating issue, unfortunately. But I can't help but thinking if Intel m3 or some 15w Ryzen would've been better choice (neither of these should need a separate cooling system).
Couldn't find specs on the CPU architecture, but I would guess it's build on an ARM board. CPU load is mended with optimizing the audio path and using sample based instruments instead of the VST synths.
@@ThatBonsaipanda It's been confirmed in multiple places that it's an Intel Atom.
Oh you mean you wish it was more like a modern computer? ...don't they have...modern computers for that?
@@foreverseethe I guess they are pandering to the audience that isn't all that tech savvy and thus can get away with some truly mind blowing decisions and pricing to go with it.
Finally a standalone!!!!!! Thank you for the video!! I am glad Native instruments Finally listen to their customers!! Thank you NI
As a lover of the MPC, I have to say this looks and feels far more intuitive. I wish they had the connectivity that the MPC has, but still very very nice
Waited years for this only to find out I didn't want it.
Heavy
2 years to late in think 🤔
If it'd had a battery then it'd have had more of a chance of winning me over.
@TruthIsABitterPill Because it is frankly underwhelming versus the competition, especially at the current price point.
Hammy Havoc Akai Force and it’s upcoming arranger FTW
Thanks for the great overview. It was really nice to see you working quickly with the M+ to create a beat as that gave me a good idea of the workflow possibilities. I just sprang for an MC-707 and a SL61 MK III to get the combination I was looking for in a set of standalone groovebox and controller centerpieces that I can power from USB batteries but still give me some options for working both with other hardware and with Ableton.
I already have the Push 2, Komplete, the Arturia collection, and a few other soft synths like Serum to use on my laptop as well as a 1010 Blackbox, ZOIA, Circuit, CMS, and some nice beat making apps on the iPad that work well with my Keystep 32 and ATOM pad controller so I have plenty of relatively portable ways to work on new ideas or even perform with. I also looked hard at the Akai Force and MPC One when those were released but I've become increasingly disenchanted with Akai's tendency to just keep dropping more new gear instead of fully supporting the stuff that's already out there.
Still, I'm a huge fan of NI's virtual instruments and sound libraries so having even a subset of that in a standalone version of Maschine is an incredibly attractive idea. I'll be watching to see how things evolve. I also wonder if there might be something like a standalone Maschine Mikro coming to compete with the MC-101? In the meanwhile, I'll keep saving for a Hydrasynth and a dedicated desktop music production PC. I really love your channel and give a lot of weight to your insight and experience. Thanks again!
Thanks for the vid, Bo. I'm a longtime Maschine user and NI geek. As I posted on the official NI launch video, and Accurate's, too... Fourteen hundred dollars is just a bit too steep.
No battery. No XLR input or phantom power. No 3rd-party plugin support.
Creative MK3 users just disable sleep mode with their laptop, and they have a standalone, battery-powered solution (3-8 hours of battery life, depending on who you talk to). The MK3 is light enough to feel like a battery-powered solution, even with a laptop under it, with the lid closed. Short USB cable, maybe some velcro on your laptop's lid and the bottom of your MK3, and you're good to go.
I bought a used Dell Precision laptop a few years ago for under $200 (quad-core i7 with full HD display). I spent another $200 upgrading it with a 1TB SSD, 32gb ram (up from 16gb). Total cost with the MK3: $1k. On the laptop also: Reaper, Ableton Lite, MPC Beats, etc. Everything I need in one place. Full 3rd-party plugin support. The only time I need to use the laptop (when running Maschine standalone, the software) is to type in the filename of whatever I save. Beyond that, no need to look at the screen or open the lid.
I'm a die-hard Maschine/NI fanboy.. it's no secret how much I love how configurable each Maschine is, as a MIDI controller for DAWs or plugins. And I've not been a fan of Akai even owning an MPC2000XL over 20 years ago and regularly using it before I tired of it and its sluggish workflow (chopping samples even with Maschine 1.0 was ten times faster). This year, Akai released MPC One, MPC Beats (the free beatmaking software) and the MPC Live 2. While again, I'n no fan of Akai, they got things right with the MPC One and its price point. And MPC Beats is pretty fun and powerful, and how you can use any MIDI controller with it... midi-mapped to your liking.
I can't justify spending $1400 on a standalone Maschine, especially considering the investment I've put in over the last 11 years with buying every Maschine since MK1 (wound up selling them all over the years, and picking them all up again when the prices drastically declined). The only ones I bought new and held onto: Maschine JAM and MK3.
I've never once had Maschine crash on me, since version 2.0 seven years ago. That's pretty stable, and makes a standalone version unnecessary. A lot of standalone appeal comes from those who argue "hardware doesn't crash!" (Akai hardware did/does constantly). But Maschine's never crashed on me. Not once. The MK3 is still an incredible piece of gear.
But, when you compare Maschine+ to the competition.... the MPC Live 2 is $200 less, runs on battery power, has additional SSD storage, phono in for a proper turntable, CV.... the factory library content is still pretty dope. It may not be up to Maschine's quality, but certainly usable. And while I could care less about the speaker, it's cool to have. I just think that's the better choice, overall.
That said... I wonder what NI's plans are, re: Studio MK2. I think it's overdue.
I hope to not receive any hate or trolling with my comment... I'm a huge fan and supporter of NI. Just need to express what so many of us are feeling, since this was released two days ago. Nothing but real talk. Speaking of... the one thing all Maschine users have desperately needed since 2009: the proper Arrangement/Song mode... with the new update ("clips", etc) and the freedom to put anything anywhere on the timeline (according to NI, anyway)... that's going to be a welcome addition to all users who don't need Maschine+. And before I forget-- yeah. That CPU % is a bit too high for my comfort level.
Every instrument is an inspiring tool, for all of us. Whether it's Maschine MK3, Maschine+, or MPC One, MPC Live, MPC Studio, Push 2, Launchpad Pro MK3. Whatever gets the job done, gets it done. I own a ton of MIDI controllers for a ton of different reasons.
No matter what, we've got to research and not buy into hype. And stay creative with what we've already got. :)
Its always good to express concerns and give feedback.
@
chriscauldermusic , great comment :-)
This is the best, most comprehensive, realistic comment and I could not agree more.
@@roberthollander4522 Thanks Robert!
@@solaryzer Thanks!
Thank you very much for the review BoBeats. I have 2 questions about the registration through wifi and the customer ID. So, when you opened for the first time the Maschine you had to activate the product through wifi with your customer ID in order the Maschine to work? And my second question is you have to be always online in order the Maschine to work?
Yes I think that wa show it worked. I used my NI Id. I dont beliebe you have to be always online. That would be very weird
You don't have to be always online. There is even an "airplane mode"
you said it - Live or Die based on its Software support
It’s great to see a vid demo’ing. Thankyou. Suddenly the changes coming to the arranger acquire x10. Thankyou for covering cpu performance. That’s my biggest worry after selling my left kidney.
Thanks for your awesome video! How is your experience with adding your own WAV files onto the SD card and browsing through them? Is it easy to organize and see this in the browser? Using folders or do I have to manually tag everything? Thanks for your help. Keep the vids comin!
Because not everything is final I have waited to give a verdict on this. You can load samples no problem, but I suspect some stuff around this will change this year.
when you connect it to mac or pc to use it as a controller is it then powered by the pc/mac? Or does it still need to be plugged into another power source?
Great video! Gives a lot more handling impressions than others i saw. But one thing i couldn´t really find out. How are sound design possibilities? Are you limited to some few parameters to tweak or are you able to access every parameter in lets say massive? Would love to know. thx.
tnx @BoBeats, great review! 3 quick questions: 1) can the audio and midi I/O be expanded with class-compliant USB sound/midi-devices? 2) does it support disk-streaming for audio? 3) How deep can you edit instruments on the device itself?
All good question! I dont have short answers for you in comment for but will try and answer in another vid
Thank you Bobeats.. I was wondering. How big is the sample ram? Is it 700mb ish like on the mpc live?
4GB ram I believe but I actually dont know how samples are handled. Whats being streamed of the disk and not
BoBeats ok thank you for the answer.. And gratttis on your new studios
Very informative. Thank you
Very cool! Thanks for the look-are there performance effects that can be put on a trig? Similar to the step components or performance track from the OP-z?
What sd card were you using and also what types are compatible? Sd, sdhc,sdxc...? could make a difference in loading times, like when you compared loading times with a pc.
Hi Bo ! Is the maschine+ usable for let's say techno liveset ? Like how are the mute groups organised and pattern change and how can i use the effects live while changing patterns or mutes?
Got mine 2 weeks ago love it to work along side my MPC Live II 😎🔥🔥🚀🚀
Great review again Bo... Is there a feature request page at NI? Would love midi clip import from sd card.
One of my first thoughts is combining it with a modular using an FH-2 with a bunch of expanders. Sort of a hybrid setup minus the monitors
Is there a way to control the instruments with an external sequencer, also if so can you map multiple instruments to accept separate midi channels?
Hi Bo, how tweakeable are the synthesizers? Can you control every parameters of massive and fm8 or just the macro’s ?
so you can actually tweak quite a bit BUT the ui is just like on maschine mk3 from what I can tell. So its not always super easy to understand what you are actually tweaking.
thanks Bo 👍
...can you import patches created on computer?
Yes importing patches should work. I have not tested myself but from what I know it should work.
Hey Bo. What about accessing that Sd card? How does that work? I mean copying samples on it and importing them in
You can connect to a computer in host most or just load to the sd card
BoBeats I mean sticking a card with samples in it and load them into a group.
How do you browse the card in standalone
Jeez Bo.. your. musicality skills make everything you touch sound so damn tempting. Could my solid but slightly boring macbook pro sofa companion be ousted for this new flashy jezebel? Just found myself on Amazon looking at 512gb SD cards.. its started..
Thank you making the distinction of comparing this hardware with other hardware instead of just comparing the hardware with its software counterpart.
I think that’s the biggest fallacy at the core of people’s complaints with this.
I was underwhelmed at first until I realized how powerful this thing is in the land of hardware and it’s competitors
exactly. it definitely rivals the MPC’s easily.
Hope you’re feeling better!!
How solid is the integration with external midi or gear like digitakt? Maybe a good topic for the next Video
Great!! I have a question, can't find the answer anywhere, even NI support doesn't give any support : does maschine? Can work on battery (not powered on the main?) thanks for your feedback.
So am I the only one that really thought native should have gone more towards the developing its DAW vs a MK3 with features that we should have seen out of the gate?...everyone is a critic and I love the MK3 but I would be giving a lot less static with a MK3 studio/jam hybrid
Can you plug in a Mio 10 or any midi interface and run synth modules and keyboards?
Okay thanks for the effort giving us again a great video!
Wondering:
I have the komplete 12 ultimate bundle. And a lot of expansion packs I bought for machine mk3. CAN I DOWNLOAD ALL MY SOUNDS AND PACKS ON THIS MASCHINE PLUS?
Nice video. IMHO the MC-707 pwns the hell out of this. The decades or Roland patches alone is enough for me, before you even take into account the physical workflow. Keep up the good work Bo
I have Komplete ultimate 12 which is huge in terms of size. Wonder if it’s possible to use those plugins also standalone?
I hope they will port many of the plugins but dont expect to be able to use all of them at launch, and I wonder if we will ever see the big orchestral stuff for example
The really game changer will be when you can load the NKS partners plugins. Imagine U-he Diva on that thing.
IF*
I think it would need a lot more ram especially to run u-he plugins. I hope the ability to run 3rd party plugins becomes real before I give up on it entirely though.
Maschine mk3 User here - well...not so much anymore - went Dawless with a Keystep Pro and some nice Synths....I love my Maschine, but I don't really see the Use of the +...Im not a Gig-Performer, so perhaps for some Stage Artists because the Maschine Workflow is really fast - but...yeah...the Controls for Live Action like Perform FX (only on Groups) is...I dont know....I have more Fun and Possibilites with my Roland MX1 - I know I know, all Synths in a Box vs. a huge amount of Gear...but yeah...Much more fun with my MC707 - too much scrolling with the Maschine, no sep. Phone Signal...I dont know, we'll see what's gonna happen to the + ✌️
I forgot sth 🙈 The Color and the new Knobs are lit af 🤣🔥
i already own a mk3 and an mpc x but im still so tempted to sell my mk 3 and get this. i love standalone and i love maschine.......i questioning myself as to weather i would still use my mpc x if i had this. this would be a very easy choice and buy for me if not for the price range
Great video. This certainly looks to be a powerful device. Would it tempt me away from my Deluge? Hmmm, time will tell once I see some full reviews and start to understand the limitations it might have.
The screens and menu diving still remind me of my day job, which is precisely why I love the Deluge because the vast majority of functions are available from buttons directly.
Keep those videos coming.
Outcome?
@@tobiaswinkler6971 I've not pulled the trigger but have now also got the Dirtywave M8, Roland SP-404MKII and Polyend Play 😁
Maybe a stupid question but in practice its quite important to me...
Since the CPU meter seems to go off all the time .... does this thing get hot?!
Im looking for something I can at least make beats on the couch...^^ So i wouldnt mind the power cord... but how warm does it really get?
I have not noticed it getting hot at all. But I have not put it against my bare legs in a sofa. But generally speaking I dont think it gets very hot at all.
Hello Mate,
Thank you for your as usually very informative video.
One question, I was waiting until this time. Maschine + or Roland 707, what would you choose as the center of someone’s outside DAW production?
Thank’s in advance.
For me it would come down to: do you need reliable sampling? MC707 is not bad at all, but its not close to the smooth sampling of the Maschine+
I’m the opposite, full access to an onboard poly synth is more important to me for stand alone use, although if it can sample then you can always sample external gear and then use standalone
@@AcidAlex mc707 has a very good synth engine. And you can easily sample a one shot sample from a synth and play it polyphonically, it sounds great. And then you can combine that sample (which becomes an oscillator) with other oscillators... Its pretty deep.
BoBeats yes I have one :-)
Can you install content from an sd card/ext hd or are you required to install all content by download from their server??
some things you can transfer like samples but I assume that for NI content you have to install via download. Could change ofc but thats how it is now
There is a lot to like. I'd love to have one. I can see this being a competitor for the MPC X. But at $1399 USD I can't justify it for my setup.
its not cheap thats for sure
Yeah, it's pricey. But I suppose the question we need to ask would be: Is there enough bang per buck to justify spending that much on this box? I suppose the answer for some would be a resounding "yes" but for many others, it would be "no" or a resolute "maybe."
Bob Conway I honestly don't see how it could be worth it. I really want one, but that's just an insane price point
Tbh, I think this is more a Mpc One competitor. But with such a price difference, don’t know if it is.
@@chrisloren9363 -- I doubt that I would ever want to pay this much for a device like this. Would rather spend it on a great synth.
How would an audio interface integrate with the plus?, so you could have multi audio in and out, and extra midi funnelled to your synths?
yes. So far only NI interfaces confirmed
Hi Bo!
I was a little excited about seeing a standalone version of Machine. I would imagine it does everything Native Instruments currently claims it does, and this is impressive. As you point out - beta, potential... could be... hope... It could be great, If you disregard history entirely.
I am a long-term Native Instuments user for both hardware and software. I use Kontakt, Massive and Batterie daily and have for years. I was a Reaktor user since day one and a Blocks user briefly, but VCV Rack immediately captured my attention in that virtual modular space. Max and Max for Live fill in any gaps for utilities and midi processing. I was excited when long awaited updates to Reaktor came along only to find that most of my years of coding in earlier releases of Reaktor where broken and I still have compatibility issues with even the most utilitarian of legacy Reaktor ensembles. I was excited when an ‘update’ to Massive was announced only to have Massive X revealed. WTF? Thank you Steve Duda for Serum.
I still have an S49 and an old Maschine mk1 in my studio. Both however see little use if any as I am not a big fan of the Maschine software environment. I had hopes for Kontrol, but it has proven to be a middleware kluge fest at best.
I’ve also gone down the Tracktor route with both hardware and software.
I have found using any of these hybrid hardware/software devices outside of the NI software universe is frustrating and ultimately pointless for me.
But for those that do feel a connection with the Maschine software environment, I understand why it would be interesting to have a standalone version. I immediately thought of this unit as a potential standalone Massive or FM 8 box. Certainly a killer drum machine. That would be very cool. But then again you could simply buy or build a fast cheap pc laptop and put it on a network as a VST slave that can also roll to the club the moment they call.
Maschine + looks great. My pile of legacy NI hardware still powers up just fine. I suspect this new offering is ‘well built and sturdy’, but I do have very real concerns about this box.
One of the most important concerns I feel, is Native Instrument’s track record on supporting legacy hardware.
Anybody remember Kore? Has anyone had difficulty keeping their legacy Maschine hardware functioning? NI themselves say use it ‘at your own risk’. Has anybody experienced difficulty using their NI hardware with third-party plugins or DAWs? Pointless.
Now here, we have a product that is billed as a standalone Maschine studio based on a fast PC. There doesn’t seem to be any information on this processor’s operating system. It appears this unit requires additional Native Instruments only hardware to expand its audio capability. Although it is touted as a PC, it only has wireless connectivity. If it can connect to a wireless network, why no ethernet port?
No Bluetooth?
Is there a way with Maschine + to connect directly to another PC to stream audio and MIDI or must you use Maschine desktop/plugin?
Do you need licenses on your pc to use those plugins bundled with the unit?
What about 3rd party libraries for Kontakt, or any of my custom libraries for the few instruments I actually use from Komplete.
I’m not a factory patch junky and rarely if ever use any of the NI’s factory content. I do have Terabytes of sample libraries on fast attached storage. Can you even attach storage or are you stuck with SD cards?
My experience over the years with NI is that their Kontent is King. My personal and pro third party libraries are difficult to import and prove flaky given the constant changes in library architecture, licensing protocols and update management strategies we’ve seen from NI. Updating a pc based device via some online portal wirelessly just looks like a potential nightmare.
If you follow the thread of what NI ins has done in the past with hardware, it’s likely that Maschine Plus will follow a similar path.
If Maschine + is a major success, they will quickly replace it with new and better hardware, pushing a premium version - Faster Processor, Expandable RAM, more onboard I/O, Bluetooth and Ethernet immediately spring to mind.
Success would likely spawn stripped down versions as well. Something essentially identical to what is on offer now, only much cheaper in every respect, and that much farther down the road to obsolescence.
On the flip side, If it is not an immediate success, they will likely abandon it, along with all of the early adopters who shelled out good money for what may soon become an incompatible doorstop with zero resale value.
I absolutely love using a very small set of tools from NI. But I also have a Kore & Maschine Mk1 in my studio - there as a reminder to not drink NI’s new cool aid too quickly.
You voice some serious concerns. I have truly never been so excited for a product and also so incredibly nervous that upon getting this I will feel limited with my live performances..
Time will tell. I hope I am able to really push this thing for live finger drumming performances
Nice video! If you sum it all up, is it like using a Maschine MK3 but without the need for a PC?
Yes. This is very much how it feels currently.
I wonder how sound design workflow will be with the various plugins like FM8 and Massive?
Its same as Maschine Mk3 atm. So you have basic controls available
Is it possible to hook up a Maschine Jam to one of the USB ports? I use the MK3 and Jam together, and for setting things up for full song arrangements I find the Jam invaluable - it does some things a lot quicker than the MK3.
No, NI said it themselves in the comments of their own Maschine+ video when someone asked the same question: they said they are focused on their "current portfolio of products", seemingly implying the Jam was EOL.
Would be cool if id be able to connect a mouse, just for the precision. Find it frustrating sometimes, but maybe im using the mk3 wrong. Touchscreen would have been nice. Can it power a S61 II and share library? Thank you for the video
This looks like a thing I could enjoy. Or perhaps the MPC one, which seems to be a bit smaller... Anyway - great video, Bo, you answered all the important questions, thank you.
Which is a better companion to the Yamaha MODX and why?
Thanks....
1. NI Maschine +
2. Akai MPC One
Great demo and very cool lil automation, Bo! Look very natural to use, like on OP-Z, which is musty for standalone device. Devil in details and i see many you've shown, that satisfy my needs in M+. No screen needed for automating with holding Rec and twisting dedicated knob. May lead to more music result than using screen and "programming" like with a mouse, something we like to unstuck from. ..... finding excuses for no touch screens :) .... 2. ts will be cheaper, if word cheap applies 3. don't need to clean it all the time 4. don't have to wear reading glasses 5. Don't need to go on a diet to slim down on my sausages to poke the screens .... what else? LOL
The value in the pack is quite excellent.. If you don't have Komplete 12/13 already. My only fear with the hardware is that in some instances Massive and other NI software can be quite CPU monsters especially complex patches in Massive, wondering how this holds up in more intensive scenarios
Has native instruments discontinued maschine jam? or are about to release a new generation?
They said on their own RUclips channel in regards to Jam support on the Maschine+ that they are now focusing on their "current" product portfolio, seemingly implying the Jam is EOL.
Keep up the good work Bo!! Got one question: as a long time mk3 user without the need to go standalone i actually can´t find anough to get this one. Am i missing something?
No, nothing that I can think off
If a musician just wants to record clips from external gear, and arrange those clips on a timeline to make songs, does this device facilitate that workflow? (ideally with the ability to record midi, edit the midi notes, then convert to audio by sending midi while recording audio)
Yes
Wasn't sure, since the last I heard was about a month ago that Maschine was eventually getting an Arranger feature with clips on a timeline... but I never heard anything about it actually getting released.
It looks soo good!
Hell yeah!
How manny of the VST parameters can you edit in standalone mode; 8 macros? thanks
I just purchased an AKAI MPC One. It is quite a powerful production tool for the price, US $699.
It has the ability to add many devices via USB with a powered hub which made it my choice.
I'm using a Autura Keystep, Model Argon 8, Korg Volca FM, PC with the Modal app and occasionally Abelton Live.
I looked at the Machine but the cost was beyond my budget. Since I'm learning a new work flow with the MPC, I was curious if you could sometime do a show discussing the various workflows producers use. Maybe some of your online friends could participate. Toys are nice but the work flow underlying their use deserves a bit of discussion.
Thanks for your new videos, they are always well received. Great show as always!
Do the encoders feel better then the previous maschines ?
Do the pads have aftertouch? I see ur moving your fingers on the pads like it has aftertouch.. thanx
lets just call that a bad habit of mine 😂👌
I was stumbling between MPC One and Force. This video actually brought Maschine MK3 into my considerations due to being so much cheaper than the Plus.
Is it possible to make sounds from scratch using internal synth engines? And if yes, how convenient is that process speaking about Maschine's interface?
My question of somebody can answer? The plugins and libraries are immediately accessible to the unit. We're not going to be waiting on any conversions? I saw something where it said it would do up to 5 hours? is that recorded to the SD card or exclusive to the ram? And what's the largest size file that can be edited in the screen?
So all I can say is based on my experience so far: when I installed the Kontakt library for the retro machines it downloaded it and installed it. This worked like a charm. I have not yet seen or heard anything about conversions. Got a source for it?
@@BoBeats I thought with the conversion thing that because it's hardware and possibly limited resources they would have to make special versions of everything to possibly be uploaded in the machine. What about the recording in the editing? And I forgot to ask about the audio interface part? Which would be a game changer. Oh and the thing that I saw about something about hardware. That the machine would see certain hardware synths? What I did see is that the audio interfaces are right out the gate compatible within NI interfaces? But will it be compatible right off the gate with other interfaces? I have a zany set up where I use the DJs 1000. I want to be able to record long jams and then be able to go back and edit those jams down to what I would want to use. You got to do a RUclips jam having the squid sequence the machine plus.
I love the build quality of NI...of course the price is reflective of this though :)
Hi BoBeats! Is it possible to program Massive synth patches from scratch in standalone mode? Is Massive has full functionality same like at DAW mode?
its like using Massive on Maschine controller. You have access to many parameters but its not the same full software UI
@@BoBeats thank you!
I much prerfer the look and build of the Maschine+ over the new Akai MPC units, but, only having one pair of stereo outputs is a big no for me, unless I'm missing something, - for me, personally, if i can't use external processing on individual tracks in a live setup, well, i may as well just use my MacBook and Logic with an Apogee Duet. I've owned my MPC60ii since 1991, - bought it brand new, - and it still gets used regularly, and the multiple outs are essential, so much so that 15yrs ago i bought a secondhand MPC2000xl-SE1 to use as an expander.
Just my opinion, not knocking anyone, and it looks and sounds like a pro level, premium device, - it just seems lacking in the connectivity department, - considering the cost.
love to ALL, feel no hate
Technically it has 2 outs... it has an headphone out with stereo capabilities. Same as the inputs (2 if you include the mic input).
i wont buy it without more inputs and midi. i feel the mpcx needs more inputs as is.
no harddrive sucks though
I don't understand all these new standalone devise with only 1 stereo output. The 1010 blackbox has 3 stereo outs.. can be used as 6 mono or a combination like one stereo and 4 mono. They can also send CV. Why these big name devices limit user like this is frustrating.
Bokeh I was thinking the same thing but wats the point , you can bounce all tracks into audio for daw use ,I use to do the same with my akai s5000 , but now I use a analogy mixer to run in one record input now , and just keep all coming from hardware ,I don’t record the into computer no more and separate tracks , it’s kills the the sound , best just coming live from hardware , so from a standalone point we dont need all the outputs no more
@@XBASS247 yeah I want seperate outs for standalone, I like to run outputs through guitar pedals like Strymon blue sky etc. Then the pedal outputs go into a small mixer. That way I can have a distortion and compression chain on the drums, reverb on melodic stuff etc. The whole point is I want to do all this standalone and only one output kills that idea completely
what exact power battery bank can i use for the maschine plus
I've heard a few negative things about the Maschine + and a guy at a shop out here suggested I look at it and it seems to be a nice experience. I had the MPC One shortly. I'm new to the MPC but it just felt slow. I have to see more on this Maschine Plus, this video made it seem like a much smoother process. Even the Deluge seems more effective for building whole songs in comparison to the MPC. Haha.
Thanks BoBeats for this video!
If I don't bother you, I have a question.
I understood that in stand-alone mode it can only be used with its MASCHINE + Selection.
My doubt is: if I connect it through USB Type B to my notebook, will I be able to use it like a normal MK3 and therefore full access to the Komplete 12/13 suite?
Thanks for your reply and have a nice life
hey! so the Maschine+ will be able to work just like MK3 if you connect it to a computer. So you can use it to control your maschine DAW on the computer and load whatever VSTs you want. BUT you are loading them onto the computer ofc, and not the hardware controller.
@@BoBeats Thanks for your kind reply. Sure! What I was thinking was installing the entire Komplete 13 suite on an external 2Tb Lacie SSD. What do you think about it? Thanks again.
I dont think they will port the entire Komplete library to Maschine+ but I know they are working on hdd support. But plugins need to be converted to work on Maschine+
@@BoBeats Thank you so much for your clarification. I agree with you, for the moment I don't think they will bring the Komplete into stand-alone Maschine. But, if with the Maschine + via usb I use all the Komplete 13 (loaded on external SSD connected to the notebook) I'll not need to convert the plugins, right? Everything will work the same as for MK3. Thanks again.
Would love to see how you could set this up for a hardware midi set up! I just got a machine + to go along with my drum machine and prophet. I'm close to returning it because it's really complicated and buggy.
I wanna see boo do Maschine stuff too! It took 2 weeks for me to get into the workflow, now loving it. Midi working well for me.
Keep the background, looks actually really good. Nice video too 😉
21:55 I think this is a smart way to look at it, but my goodness I'm excited to jump in!!!
I'll explain below.
For about a decade now I've been using the Mk1. I'm a designer/illustrator professionally, so music has been more of an avocation. The most up-to-date gear I have is the Z2 mixer for Traktor. A rep from Native Instruments asked me while at a hostel in Japan why I still was using the Mk1. Aside from money always playing a big part in it, I just never really had a reason to upgrade. I still was, and still am, figuring out all I can with the Mk1 and Maschine 1.8.2.
10 years though, and my 2009 laptop already having one hard drive crash is plenty of reason to upgrade.
The M+ is exactly what I've been waiting for. It's a brand new experience with a name I'm familiar with. It still offers the same basic function as the Mk1, but expands on that with near limitless possibility for the future as new patches and updates come in. Unlike the Mk3, the M+ can evolve over time. I'm sure future versions will be more powerful, but the fact that Native Instruments is more concerned with making it a solid platform before moving forward is reassuring.
I'm about to turn 30, and music and audio is becoming more and more important as an auxiliary component to my work, nearly essential to be able to sell my work beyond a nice image or gif on behance. From avocation, to an integrated part of my professional workflow, the M+ seems to be just what I was looking for. Certainly I'll need to wait a little while before I can buy into it literally, a couple pay check as I have a number of things I'm saving for beyond the M+ (like a keyboard, komplete 13, etc.).
Still the future is looking bright.
2021 is going to be a fantastic year!
Very Good review. But how can we make a one hour live performance with this standalone products ? We finally need a computer or a looper for make transition during the loading time, no ?
how compares it with the Akai Force?
I just bought it few weeks ago.. Damn I’m so excited to start with it .. nice vid though ..
Extremely beautiful,perhaps powerful as well but it really seems like the definition of DAW in a box.Also that CPU meter is a stress test on its own 😂
Man I gotta have this one
Like the idea but think not completely sold. I like the idea we will see where it goes before jumping on it.
Hi, what do you think is better between MASCHINE+ and Roland MC 707 obviously for a live use ? now the prices are quite similar. Somebody says that MASCHINE+ has not touch screen (AKAI yes.....MC 707 no)...MASCHINE+ no batteries (MC 707 yes)....Thanks
Maschine+ is a better all around workstation than MC707. But the mc707 is a bit more hands on for performing. Mpc one/live/force has touch screen and is also a good workstation.
@@BoBeats I m a NI loyal customer 😊and I use Maschine MK3 . So I know its workflow and MASCHINE+ could be easy for me, but It doesn't have some foundamental features of a standalone groovebox.
I actually like that background, it has a cool 2 tone look
@BoBeats how do i import the sounds from the is SD to the drum rack? the SD folders with the samples imported by the user cannot be seen from the library. can't it do it?
the samples have to be put in a specific folder, I dont remember which one
BoBeats thanks man, but then can I import them in stand alone mode?
Please, answer me.. 🙏🏻
Vs mpc one and mc707..., which do you think is more powerful?
mpc lineup has a lot going for it: alot of i/o for example
Maschine+ will probably be the most powerful in terms of sounds due to having NI software backing it
Mc707 has a very deep synth engine which is more powerful than many think. Good stage device I recon but ultimately the most limited of the bunch. More an instrument than a workstation sometimes
thanks BoBeats....
Very nice
Im still good with my first generation that I bought in 2010 with software upgrades and all my sound packs. Its all in how you use it. You can have the best car and still lose the race.
you got it ...nuce
Seems like the recorded automations are not marked. Hard to know what was automated
OMG - the CPU was hitting 84% and you only had 4 tracks playing!! That is terrible news. Yes I know there’s a lot of effects going on but based on what you just shown you’re gonna struggle to even get 8 tracks running unless you start cutting back the effects. Not a great first impressions. I can see early adopters not being happy about this.
The other issue I see with M+ is that you can’t create FM8 or Massive patches from scratch on it due to the limited control available on the hardware, so the M+ is just a preset player in this regard. To create new sounds or deeply edit existing ones you’ll be hooking it up to the computer to use the VST as an editor. If you’re gonna have to do this you may as well just keep your MK3.
so its technically not 4 tracks playing... but you are right that cpu should be tested more to see what limits there are
BoBeats okay 4 groups not tracks but there wasn’t a great deal going on. Will be interested to see the results of some stress tests
So its 10 virtual instruments + a bunch of samples + alot of FX. Not trying to sway you. If the optimization isnt good enough I think we will know in due time. Plenty of people will test it
@@BoBeats Just based on my recent Maschine experience, the Raum delay/verb is a hugeee cpu hog, I've noticed a +15% cpu usage jump on some settings, so I really only use it on busses. I can imagine some of their other new effects hitting the cpu similarly.
BoBeats that is already quite a lot. I think with Less than that you can make a pretty good song. You can also resample different parts to save on memory and cpu. I think it will be hard to compare this to a i7 laptop but what is out there doing the same at this price with literally bags on standalone mode ?
Can you plug in a USB mouse to edit the pianoroll?
Will I be to download samples from sounds.com on maschine plus?
Have you tested the workflow of building your own kits from your own samples off the SD card? That would be a great thing to see!