Yeah the fact that talent agencies exist for twitch and RUclips streamers is so dumb. Like bro the site is free, just network and make good content instead
@@Huarrnarg Easy to say on the outside looking in. Most of the Holo/Niji girls were small time streamers before they signed on and after 2-3 years they can now do their own thing with a big audience that will follow. Corpos bring exposure, marketing, merchandising, community, etc. etc. Some of them are predatory garbage, obviously, but they definitely serve a purpose.
@@Haranaconda There's also the fact that the model and rigging is done, which is a pretty big barrier to entry if you don't have a pre-existing fanbase to rely on. Free pre-rigged models are out there but vtubers need to establish their brand so generic models anyone can use is going to be limiting for growth. So as long as the Corpo isn't blooding you dry, at least you avoid a big pay out in the lean early days.
its following a very natural arc. we found out how many vtubers and corpos the audience can support, then it kept growing as things do, now it's contracting a little. everything is fine. people are getting back outside, less people are cooped up, so naturally things are contracting. its all going to be fine.
Yagoo did release a statement recently saying he heard the fan concerns at recent announcements and is taking them to heart. If Hololive was slipping, I hope Yagoo can patch it up before we lose anyone else. I don't want to lose this either.
@McDudes 40% and as far as I can tell still the vast majority of the shares. Most of the other stake holders have single digits. Yagoo is still the guy in charge.
I started watching Vtubers because i saw how much fun everyone was having. Sure, its not all sunshine and rainbows all the time, nothing is. But the good largely outways the bad in my experience
Neh is the fandom who's running it, this already happened with bronies once, normal people is starting to leave it and the only thing remaining is the most psychotic fans...
she uses the word "community" but i think a more appropriate word would be "fandom" considering said event was for fans of vtubers, when people say "there's no vtuber community" they're referring to the vtubers themselves, because its usually that they have their own community in their audience/corpo
People saying the v-tuber space is oversaturated need to realize that most people were saying that e-commerce was oversaturated in the early 2000's and the same about the grunge scene in 1992. Anyone talking about market saturation is either too young and inexperienced, or too stupid to know what they're talking about. There may be a resettling away from larger corporations, but this sector of the entertainment industry is still tiny and pretty much brand new so it will continue to grow for a long time.
Is phase the only major corpo that hasnt had some kind of controversy this year? With all the high profile graduations and corpos imploding phase connect, the sad girl company, has been remarkable stable and even growing more popular. Phase is in the best possible position it can be in going into 2025.
2024 is a bad year for a lot of vtuber corpo even Vshojo. But at the same time, it's COULD be a good year for Phase Connect, should Hina able to settle her ongoing issue with her family, that is, dood.
@@jeremycorbin2178 The usual, talents do not take the safe road and not start drama. Froot really outdid herself this year, to the point that vshojo took away talent freedom for a bit from some talents.
Little by little, vtubers are going to gravitate more towards indies and smaller corpos. It's not a bad thing, though. Almost all of the major 2024 graduated vtubers are still active, and in most cases, I'd argue they are better off now than they were while in the corpo. Everything will be fine.
Exactly, don't get Pippa neither the fandom in general, they are gonna get more money as indies, and Hololive can't live from the streaming forever, they are gonna try to actually be virtual idol agency, they already achieve that with Suisei, I see it as win win, the ones who go indie have a audience they would never have got without agency and people like Callie and Elizabeth can get the opportunity of their lives in music.
What it will do is actually make it far more difficult for "the little guy" with no resources in the long run. Like regular youtube but far more extreme.
yep i guess it will be fair that way atleast the Vtuber sphere is trying balance itself out and finally reach the equilibrium phase that it won't feel oversaturated anymore
@@gratefulguy4130 LoL what makes you believe the "little guy" was a thing in Vtubers... The most of Vtubers never pass the 10 viewers per stream, the one you know are not in a agency are the exception to the rule, it's even more difficult to get into an agency...
For me I ended up losing 2 people who I spent hours watching from hololive this year alone. The discontinuing of fuwamoco morning also stung but was understandable. Then the jumpscare of rin penrose also announcing they were leaving brave group (luckily it wasnt a straight up graduation). I just am on a ticking time clock for some of the people I watch in hololive and indies and it worries me that next year we will see more people moving on in their endeavors or being forced to transition out. I don't think I can take someone like Ollie leaving in the next year (doubt she will or zomily will be sad) but if that happened I'd probably quit the sphere forever.
*Squint eyes Does pippa know what she is talking about; fans will always do this but the corpo will determine lot, look at comic con, video game culture in the current year.
I've said it before and I'll say it again we are about to see the Golden era of VTubers. We are just leaving the pioneering period. Get ready for the high point to take off soon.
Maybe not so much a golden age but a diversification, It use to be a joke but Hololive is actually trying to create idols and their first achievement has been Suisei, I see a lot of potential in people like Callie and Elizabeth.
Kizuna Ai is arguably the creator of the vtubing industry, or at least a major pioneer. A great woman. However, what can she really do anymore? the market is heavily saturated and her style of content isn't really the draw it used to be. Throw in the unstable demands of an infant child and it's gg.
I personally hate the narrative of what can be considered segregation amongst the community. I hang out in both indie and corpo spheres and the only real difference is what things certain groups do. I personally appreciate vtubing in all of its forms. The fact that such a medium exists is fantastic and allows people to express themselves in such a unique way. I love that people can get together to share their enjoyment over these creators and have fun. I've seen people from so many backgrounds come to watch vtubers its insane from military, to nurses and doctors, to regular joes in office.
You people stupid or something? She left to take care of her family. People quitting a job is a NORMAL thing, stop being so dramatic. Nobody can prevent other people from quitting other than themselves.
If she was directly involved in contract negotiations, perhaps. If not, I don't see how she could have. Seems like that's what most things boil down to, in the end, the terms of each contract.
@@SnakeSagacity Says the guy who failed to understand the word *'If'* . Hah. Keep tipping dat f'dorah, fef. M'lady will give you some pity seggs for sure..... eventually. Maybe. Not really.
Nah, it will just become far more fragmented. It's like we've been in the earliest days of cable TV, when most people still watched the 4-5 broadcast networks and some watched some smaller, somewhat obscure channels via cable. Now we're getting into the days of prime cable and beyond, when there are 60+ viable options for spending your time and money. It's all but inevitable there will be increasing amount of content available, but far fewer shared cultural milestones as a result.
![Pippa's fans meetup turned into chaos [Phase-Connect]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yxU_Y_kHGZY/mqdefault.jpg)
Vtubers finally learning the lesson streamers learned about Multi-Channel Networks 10 years ago.
Yeah the fact that talent agencies exist for twitch and RUclips streamers is so dumb. Like bro the site is free, just network and make good content instead
@@Huarrnarg Easy to say on the outside looking in. Most of the Holo/Niji girls were small time streamers before they signed on and after 2-3 years they can now do their own thing with a big audience that will follow. Corpos bring exposure, marketing, merchandising, community, etc. etc. Some of them are predatory garbage, obviously, but they definitely serve a purpose.
@@Haranaconda There's also the fact that the model and rigging is done, which is a pretty big barrier to entry if you don't have a pre-existing fanbase to rely on. Free pre-rigged models are out there but vtubers need to establish their brand so generic models anyone can use is going to be limiting for growth. So as long as the Corpo isn't blooding you dry, at least you avoid a big pay out in the lean early days.
@@azamonra Not all companies provide the models.
@@neonaaat6850 The good ones foot the bill for the start-up.
its following a very natural arc. we found out how many vtubers and corpos the audience can support, then it kept growing as things do, now it's contracting a little. everything is fine. people are getting back outside, less people are cooped up, so naturally things are contracting.
its all going to be fine.
Exactly
Yagoo did release a statement recently saying he heard the fan concerns at recent announcements and is taking them to heart. If Hololive was slipping, I hope Yagoo can patch it up before we lose anyone else. I don't want to lose this either.
The sad part is he own less then 50% of the company so he alone cant dictate it :(
@@McDudesYep. They royally screwed up by going public and I fear that things will only go downhill from here.
Did yall see altare go off on the company recently?
ruclips.net/video/JriW70Tg5w0/видео.html
@McDudes 40% and as far as I can tell still the vast majority of the shares. Most of the other stake holders have single digits. Yagoo is still the guy in charge.
I am afraid Californication of the Hololive is unavoidable at this point
As the vtuber community grows, it attracts more problems, but as it grows it continues to live through new fans. It's a dilemma for sure.
I started watching Vtubers because i saw how much fun everyone was having. Sure, its not all sunshine and rainbows all the time, nothing is. But the good largely outways the bad in my experience
Neh is the fandom who's running it, this already happened with bronies once, normal people is starting to leave it and the only thing remaining is the most psychotic fans...
Bro that Shiina cosplayer tho 👀
Shiina showing up to an event cosplaying as Shiina so that she can bring Sad Bee without giving herself away.
She looked pretty! I hope Shiina saw that.
2:30:33 timestamp for source/original stream
she uses the word "community" but i think a more appropriate word would be "fandom" considering said event was for fans of vtubers, when people say "there's no vtuber community" they're referring to the vtubers themselves, because its usually that they have their own community in their audience/corpo
People saying the v-tuber space is oversaturated need to realize that most people were saying that e-commerce was oversaturated in the early 2000's and the same about the grunge scene in 1992. Anyone talking about market saturation is either too young and inexperienced, or too stupid to know what they're talking about. There may be a resettling away from larger corporations, but this sector of the entertainment industry is still tiny and pretty much brand new so it will continue to grow for a long time.
Is phase the only major corpo that hasnt had some kind of controversy this year? With all the high profile graduations and corpos imploding phase connect, the sad girl company, has been remarkable stable and even growing more popular. Phase is in the best possible position it can be in going into 2025.
2024 is a bad year for a lot of vtuber corpo even Vshojo.
But at the same time, it's COULD be a good year for Phase Connect, should Hina able to settle her ongoing issue with her family, that is, dood.
@@dood52751 What happened with Vshojo? Seemed on the whole a good year on the outside but I haven't kept up
@@jeremycorbin2178 oh yeah, totally good year. vei in the wind, froot shenanigans, hogwarts conundrum
@@jeremycorbin2178 The usual, talents do not take the safe road and not start drama. Froot really outdid herself this year, to the point that vshojo took away talent freedom for a bit from some talents.
@@TheSchoolyD She's still around though huh. Still never had a clue what happened there
00:44 uuh, about that...
I can't be trusted near a pippa cosplayer... I might adopt her...
I would correct her 💢
Big part of the problem with the community is private discords and locals/patreon. Those audiences are completely different than RUclips or twitch.
Someone who’s a fan of the thing they’re doing for a living? In this economy?
Impossible
The more the things changed the more the stay the same. Or at least that is what I like to think.
Sadbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
My concern is that Pippa will not be breedable one day
Bruh gsh
You'd be turtle soup before that happens.
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duality of man ☝
Little by little, vtubers are going to gravitate more towards indies and smaller corpos. It's not a bad thing, though. Almost all of the major 2024 graduated vtubers are still active, and in most cases, I'd argue they are better off now than they were while in the corpo.
Everything will be fine.
Exactly, don't get Pippa neither the fandom in general, they are gonna get more money as indies, and Hololive can't live from the streaming forever, they are gonna try to actually be virtual idol agency, they already achieve that with Suisei, I see it as win win, the ones who go indie have a audience they would never have got without agency and people like Callie and Elizabeth can get the opportunity of their lives in music.
What it will do is actually make it far more difficult for "the little guy" with no resources in the long run.
Like regular youtube but far more extreme.
yep i guess it will be fair that way atleast the Vtuber sphere is trying balance itself out and finally reach the equilibrium phase that it won't feel oversaturated anymore
it would be more of a fair competition than only one beats all
@@gratefulguy4130 LoL what makes you believe the "little guy" was a thing in Vtubers...
The most of Vtubers never pass the 10 viewers per stream, the one you know are not in a agency are the exception to the rule, it's even more difficult to get into an agency...
For me I ended up losing 2 people who I spent hours watching from hololive this year alone. The discontinuing of fuwamoco morning also stung but was understandable. Then the jumpscare of rin penrose also announcing they were leaving brave group (luckily it wasnt a straight up graduation). I just am on a ticking time clock for some of the people I watch in hololive and indies and it worries me that next year we will see more people moving on in their endeavors or being forced to transition out. I don't think I can take someone like Ollie leaving in the next year (doubt she will or zomily will be sad) but if that happened I'd probably quit the sphere forever.
*Squint eyes
Does pippa know what she is talking about; fans will always do this but the corpo will determine lot, look at comic con, video game culture in the current year.
I notice her voice changed again, it's a bit more high pitched now
I didn’t like pippa deep voice; too southern to me
I've said it before and I'll say it again we are about to see the Golden era of VTubers. We are just leaving the pioneering period. Get ready for the high point to take off soon.
Maybe not so much a golden age but a diversification, It use to be a joke but Hololive is actually trying to create idols and their first achievement has been Suisei, I see a lot of potential in people like Callie and Elizabeth.
She exposes herself as a newpip when she worries about Hololive resignations instead of celebrating Kizuna Ai coming back from her maternity leave.
That's awesome. The OG came back.
Kizuna Ai is arguably the creator of the vtubing industry, or at least a major pioneer. A great woman.
However, what can she really do anymore? the market is heavily saturated and her style of content isn't really the draw it used to be. Throw in the unstable demands of an infant child and it's gg.
@@Archedgar she fought off being a crypto commodity. I'm sure she'll find a way.
She spawned her successor in 18 years
Let’s hope so Pippa, let’s hope so.
I personally hate the narrative of what can be considered segregation amongst the community. I hang out in both indie and corpo spheres and the only real difference is what things certain groups do.
I personally appreciate vtubing in all of its forms. The fact that such a medium exists is fantastic and allows people to express themselves in such a unique way.
I love that people can get together to share their enjoyment over these creators and have fun. I've seen people from so many backgrounds come to watch vtubers its insane from military, to nurses and doctors, to regular joes in office.
What is going on in the US they go full psychotic everytime they realize something have corpos behind...
What if V-tubers become normie and main stream
That's the reason you guys you're being overdramatic over this whole situation... Vtubing is not your safe space.
It already is
Vtubing is definitely a bubble, and it will pop one day.
why ?
2025 is gonna get worse. 👍👍
Snap back to reality
I wonder if A-chan could have prevented this if she had still been there.......
You people stupid or something? She left to take care of her family. People quitting a job is a NORMAL thing, stop being so dramatic. Nobody can prevent other people from quitting other than themselves.
If she was directly involved in contract negotiations, perhaps. If not, I don't see how she could have. Seems like that's what most things boil down to, in the end, the terms of each contract.
@@SnakeSagacity Says the guy who failed to understand the word *'If'* . Hah.
Keep tipping dat f'dorah, fef. M'lady will give you some pity seggs for sure..... eventually. Maybe. Not really.
Return to indie
There’s definitely a vtubing community. It’s where all the weebs, furries, and bronies amalgamated into an unholy union God forgot long ago.
The vtuber community will eventually die.(is getting to big)
I have been concerned with over saturation.
Nah, it will just become far more fragmented. It's like we've been in the earliest days of cable TV, when most people still watched the 4-5 broadcast networks and some watched some smaller, somewhat obscure channels via cable. Now we're getting into the days of prime cable and beyond, when there are 60+ viable options for spending your time and money. It's all but inevitable there will be increasing amount of content available, but far fewer shared cultural milestones as a result.
@@spk1121 very naive, everyone will start destroying each other
They go to china content farm