Pathfinder Religion Guide: Devils and Devil Demigods

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @ColinGrym
    @ColinGrym Год назад +71

    I've come to realize I'd make for a dangerous resident of Golarion because I'm consistently fascinated with lore like this regardless of whether it's good or wicked. As always I especially enjoy these excellent planar lore videos and I look forward to more in the series.

    • @Gorpfield
      @Gorpfield Год назад +11

      to be fair i think self-preservation would kick in as soon as half of these scary fictions became real. though i suppose living in golarion is dangerous enough in and of itself

    • @ColinGrym
      @ColinGrym Год назад +9

      @@Gorpfield You're probably right, given that I have never looked up how to create real life dangers. I wonder if summoning an imp to annoy a marketplace would be the Golarion version of "it's just a prank bro!"

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +6

      Awwww! Rock on Colin! Thank you so much for the support!!!

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +4

      FYI - since you liked this one. I have Daemons of Abaddon coming out in about 4 weeks and I have Demons of the Abyss coming out about 6 weeks after that.

    • @ColinGrym
      @ColinGrym Год назад

      @@TheMythkeeper Thank you! Those will definitely be in my wheelhouse. It's always a good day when I can get home from lifting weights and unwind with one of your lore videos and a meal.

  • @DCM68W
    @DCM68W Год назад +7

    WE'VE BEEN BLESSED

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +2

      Haha! The Prince of Darkness is pleased... ;-)

    • @AmericanAurochs
      @AmericanAurochs Год назад +1

      Or cursed! Depending on your alignment.

  • @marvelouschester4104
    @marvelouschester4104 Год назад +19

    Another great video. Pathfinder lore is shockingly in depth.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +3

      It really is!

    • @MrMrtvozornik
      @MrMrtvozornik Год назад +1

      Yes and no. At the one hand yes, there's lots of it, but at the other hand, no because there's much overlap between PF and DnD for one, and regular lore that's been just shifted or simplified from real life. It's similar to WoW, from an outside perspective it has massive lore, but if you simply link X to Y (for example, all Old Gods as Lovecraftian "theme") then you'd realize there's not that much "original" lore. Which is fine, when your goal is to make an expansive world with many themes to house many adventures of many players, but not so much fine when people take these themes and attribute them to WoW/PF/DnD as original, without ever learning about the actual original works that made up those themes.

  • @Ofley_Adventures
    @Ofley_Adventures Год назад +34

    Amazing! You have in my opinion the most interesting lore videos for religion on the internet. Keep up the amazing work, and I do hope you are recognized for putting in so much work. Have a sensational day everyone! Thanks for the vid.

  • @mboatrightED300
    @mboatrightED300 Год назад +15

    Every ad break on this video was for Diablo, which made me laugh.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +3

      Haha! Some good product placement right there.

  • @adamlatosinski5475
    @adamlatosinski5475 Год назад +41

    When talking about devils, one cannot avoid the topic of infernal contracts. I'm surprised you skipped the phistophilus devils, whod deal with them. It would be interesting to understand how they work and what they can do.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +30

      You're right, I could probably do a whole video just on diabolical contracts. I didn't cover that at all in this video. Maybe that can be an add-on to a video about the Hellknights who effectively have a contract with a diabolical patron rather than being conventional worshippers.

    • @wilhelmu
      @wilhelmu Год назад +2

      @@TheMythkeeper what does pharasma think of people who make contracts with devils, if soul is involved

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +5

      @@wilhelmu In general Pharasma is more concerned with people that disrupt the flow of souls to the outer planes altogether than those who commit their souls to one of the outer planes in their lifetime. She frowns on it, but she won't intervene, whereas she may intervene for immortality achieved through undeath.

  • @T4N7
    @T4N7 Год назад +4

    I love how in place of an actual picture of the Lady of Dis, u just put a picture of a disabled lawyer from a world where contracts r magically binding, Teysa Karlov from Magic: the Gathering, well this art is specifically from the card “Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts”. She is a great example of how u need not be physically physically threatening to be a scary person or to mess with.

  • @adamlatosinski5475
    @adamlatosinski5475 Год назад +11

    When talking about evil deities, I find it important to figure out what benefit the worship of these fiends can bring to their followers. This benefit of course comes with a great price, but if there were no benefit at all, no one would worship them. And this remains a problem for me with the archdevils: they have disctint persoanlities and interests, but it's never explained what boons they grant to their followers that may be enticing enough so that mortals decided to damn their souls.

    • @ColinGrym
      @ColinGrym Год назад +9

      For real-world parallels, I've often thought of historical dictatorships or violently zealous/hateful systems of belief/politics. For instance devils would probably fit in rather well in historically fascist regimes. Demons would probably do well in a crime cartel or street gang situation. Even in today's world there are folks who will willingly hate or harm others for the sake of their political and religious beliefs. The mindset that "my harmful attitude/actions are justified because of my beliefs or how I've been treated" most closely mirrors the worship of evil in PF IMO.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +12

      I think a lot of folks watch these videos and assume player knowledge = character knowledge, but it doesn't. The vast, vast majority of people that worship devils probably don't even know they are worshipping devils. Its a slippery slope scenario, where there deity asks them to do increasingly dubious things but also fulfills promises of real power.

  • @andyknightwarden9746
    @andyknightwarden9746 Год назад +2

    I like the Erinyes.

  • @cliffwood7386
    @cliffwood7386 Год назад +2

    Always a pleasure to get a new MK video!

  • @israelmorales4249
    @israelmorales4249 Год назад +13

    Thanks, i actually "fell in love" with the lore of D&D about hell and Abyss and the Blood War. So i was a little sceptical about how Paizo's version gona be. But i'm glad to be in the wrong, this lore is quite great. And then again you make it more interesting in the way you give ous this knowledge. Thanks again!...and sorry about my bad english

    • @ColinGrym
      @ColinGrym Год назад +6

      Your English is great! I also love the Blood War of Planescape DnD, so like you I'm enjoying the Pathfinder version. I especially enjoyed how they made the major conflict law vs. chaos instead of the usual good vs. evil. I hope they'll eventually have a major conflict on par with the Blood War. Right now all the lore I know points to a "Cold War" situation between upper and lower planes and not a whole lot else. Maybe I'm wrong though and MythKeeper can make a video about interesting specific battles.

    • @israelmorales4249
      @israelmorales4249 Год назад +3

      @@ColinGrym tThanks for the compliment!. It sounds great, i hope to know more about this cosmic conflict in more deail

  • @ryankane4430
    @ryankane4430 Год назад +4

    Just found the channel through this video, def dropping a sub

  • @realtingdis9099
    @realtingdis9099 9 месяцев назад +2

    Wow. This is a lot to take in. New to pathfinder. Started playing wotr and am trying to learn the lore. Thanks. What order should I watch

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  9 месяцев назад +2

      Great question. For a Wrath of the Righteous, I'd jump right in and watch my Worldwound region deep dive video. Its the best video to get you right into the lore of that game.

  • @RollingSoloRPG
    @RollingSoloRPG Год назад +1

    Another great video!

  • @lkriticos7619
    @lkriticos7619 Год назад +1

    I was reading a conversation thread on here and you raise an interesting point about player vs character knowledge. As a player it's good to have this sort of world lore knowledge and meta knowledge: it helps you build either a story or a character that you're excited about and feels consistent with the world. But a lot of the lore we learn as players isn't necessarily common knowledge. It's interesting to think how much of this stuff an average character or npc might know.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +3

      I would assume any character without training in the Religion skill knows the names of the mains gods worshipped in their region and their rough spheres of influence (because thats common knowledge) but has no knowledge of any of the more detailed stuff and certainly couldn't name the archdevils, never-mind have knowledge of the infernal dukes. A character that has a +10 or more in Religion will probably know not just the names, but also something of there personalities. They'll also probably have acquired some knowledge of how the afterlife actually works and what the real implications are of religious worship. A character with a +20 or more has an epic understanding of religion, maybe equivalent to the knowledge of the human player, or perhaps even more sophisticated (since for us the game is an abstraction and we don't have to worry about the science and metaphysics of Golarion's faith systems).

    • @lkriticos7619
      @lkriticos7619 Год назад +2

      @@TheMythkeeper That makes sense and I think that's a good way to play it. I think if I was running I'd also give a little more leeway for in character knowledge for Clerics and Champions or a character who was raised in a religious institution. I feel like it would make sense for characters like that to know a bit more about at least one deity.
      I think I'd probably modulate the available in character info on devils depending on the game, the bad guys and the setting. But it's got me wondering how common information on the hells and devils would be outside of the people who worship them? It would make some sense for followers of opposing deities to have some knowledge. But then again it seems like the kind of thing that characters would get suspicious about if they found out you knew.

  • @michaelhockman3420
    @michaelhockman3420 Год назад +4

    I’d love to see deep dives into individual devil lords! The last several sounded super interesting but I feel we only scratched the surfacev

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      Oh man, if I had all the time in the world... 😅

  • @trajanfidelis
    @trajanfidelis 2 месяца назад +1

    Outside aberrations devils are one of my favorite creature types.

  • @RicardoPM777
    @RicardoPM777 Год назад +2

    New video! Nice!

  • @tomkerruish2982
    @tomkerruish2982 Год назад +2

    Looking forward to qlippoths! Of course, do the outsider races in any order you see fit.
    Here's a thought: the Outer Sphere is simply a foreign speck suspended in an unimaginably vast Far Realm, slowly being dissolved. The tunnels and depths of the Abyss are the cracks resulting from the dissolution of ordinary reality, and the qlippoths are the 'Welcome Wagon' reps.

  • @_uchiha
    @_uchiha Год назад +2

    serverly underrated

  • @Agent_of_House_Thrune
    @Agent_of_House_Thrune Год назад +4

    Я думаю, что каждый архидьявол олицетворяет какой-то из аспектов Асмодея:
    1. Баалзебул - тьма
    2. Мефистофелес - конракты
    3. Герион - запретное, тайное знание, а также коварство
    4. Диспатер - тирания
    5. Молох - разрушение и пламя. Асмодей - кузнец
    6. Белиал - плодородие и изменчивость
    7. Барбатос - социальный дарвинизм, жестокие законы природы («выживает сильнейший/наиболее приспособленный»)
    8. Маммон - вероятно, жадность (как заметил ниже MythKeeper)

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +2

      @Infernal Thrune: I love this. Yeah, Asmodeus' broad interests are pretty well-covered by his servants. Mammon is the devil of greed, and I feel like that could also sit in his portfolio. Barbatos is the strangest devil. If you like the idea that the archdevils were chosen by Asmodeus because they each represent a part of him, then consider that Barbatos is inscrutible and unknowable, which could be said of Asmodeus too.

    • @Agent_of_House_Thrune
      @Agent_of_House_Thrune Год назад

      @@TheMythkeeper Моя версия: Барбатос олицетворяет собой жестокие законы природы («выживает наиболее приспособленный/сильнейший»), которым подчинялись все живые существа на заре времен - до того, как Иисус подарил им свободу. Не стоит забывать, что Асмодей - один из создателей мира смертных. Я вижу его как бога социального дарвинизма.
      К тому же, не сомневаюсь, изначально Асмодей отнюдь не был гуманоидом. Он обрел этот облик только когда человечество воцарилось на Голарионе (и в целом стал более «человеческим» и менее «звериным»). Возможно, первоначально Князь Ада был чем-то похож на Барбатоса
      Я также совсем забыл о том, что Молох - это бог огня (одна из двух «стихий» Асмодея - наряду с тьмой), а Белиал - изменчивости.
      Хочу поделиться своим хедканоном: на самом деле Асмодей не выбирал архидьяволов. Они буквально его аспекты, его частички. На ум приходит крылатое выражение из Библии: «имя мне - легион»

  • @justinmuze1185
    @justinmuze1185 Год назад +1

    I love your videos! As for seeing other demigods, I would love to see some on the Kyton Demagogues and the Sahkil Tormentors

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      I am definitely keen to do those Kytons (or Velstracs as they are no known for IP reasons...) but I'm going to get through the denizens of the Hell & Heaven planes before I get to the demigods from the transitive or more neutral planes. Also plan to do a Psychopomp Ushers video at some point which should be fun too.

  • @Ranked_Journey
    @Ranked_Journey Год назад +36

    Hope demons are coming soon.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +14

      Daemons of Abaddon will come out before Demons of the Abyss. I have that first one recorded, the other one is on the calendar and I should get to it fairly soon.

    • @burningbronze7555
      @burningbronze7555 Год назад +2

      ​@@TheMythkeeper when can we expect asura and Oni?

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +6

      @@burningbronze7555 After demons, but keep in mind I'm vascillating between good-aligned demigods and evil-aligned demi-gods, and my religion series come out every third video; so... its going to be a while.
      Rough order: -> devils -> archons -> daemons -> agathions -> demons -> azatasa -> asuras/qlippoths/divs
      So, calculate that these videos come out every 3 weeks interspersed with creature features and regional deep dives and its a bit of wait still to get to those.

  • @AmericanAurochs
    @AmericanAurochs Год назад +4

    I’m really loving your work. You have a very smooth, even academic, style and syntax that makes you easy to listen to.

  • @JudgeAlan501
    @JudgeAlan501 Год назад +8

    I know your list is long but I’m hoping for the Demodands and evil titans

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад

      Demodands is on the list. For Titans... I think for right now you'll have to settle for the little you get in the Giants video and in the Planes video. I feel like I've talked around the Titans a lot already, even if they haven't gotten their own video.

  • @justincherry4027
    @justincherry4027 Год назад +2

    got a complete hell playlist in the works, huh? nice. i dont know if youve done it yet but itd be cool to see you do a video on the pirates of the eye of abandango

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +2

      That's planned. Regional Deep Dive: The Shackles. But its coming probably in a couple months... Sorry I have a lot cued up right now.

    • @grinningbuck
      @grinningbuck Год назад +3

      ​@MythKeeper if every video is of the same standard, you can take as long as you need

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +2

      @@grinningbuck You guys are seriously too kind to me 😅

  • @derskalde4973
    @derskalde4973 Год назад +2

    Baalzebul obviously comes from Beelzebub, Lord of Flies and one of the titles given to satan. When I once asked, why it's the Lord of Flies, I got following explanation: a Lord is someone, to whom people crowd around, and where do flies gather in crowds? Around dung.
    So "Lord of Flies" basically bears the meaning "Piece of sh*t". I'm not entirely sure, if that's historically correct, but it was memorable.
    Belial is also one of the titles given to satan, and means something like "good for nothing" or "useless".

  • @generalreevis1734
    @generalreevis1734 Год назад +1

    Amazing video, just getting into pathfinder 2e

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      Thanks for watching! Welcome to the channel.

    • @generalreevis1734
      @generalreevis1734 Год назад +1

      @@TheMythkeeper thank you. Already binging so many videos

  • @yellowmartian
    @yellowmartian Год назад +2

    Yippeeeee!

  • @Pathsfound
    @Pathsfound Год назад +1

    I cant wait for this video to make you break 10k subscribers!

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      Literally 1 sub away right now... I can't believe it.

  • @OranjMoose
    @OranjMoose Год назад +6

    It was uploaded 5 minutes ago, am I to late I came as fast as I could

  • @scottlette
    @scottlette Год назад +3

    Golarion gets a Jester as Hell’s Agent-in-Chief? Ouch.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +3

      Yeah I know, its so random its kind of great. Some thoughts on this: Maybe that's why the Abyss has had a lot of success invading Golarion (through the Worldwound) but Hell has not made so much headway? Or perhaps since Asmodeus is the sponsor of Cheliax and its a great source of souls he doesn't necessarily want to conquer the world outright and Alichino has a more complicated objective that simple conquest here. Its also worth noting that in Starfinder (spoilers!) Golarion doesn't actually exist any more, so at some point in the future it will either get destroyed, pulled out of the timestream or moved to another plane (TBD). Maybe this goofy jester devil actually wins in the end?

  • @worldforger9225
    @worldforger9225 Год назад +6

  • @warmonger5950
    @warmonger5950 Год назад +7

    For algoritma

  • @Thyinternet
    @Thyinternet Год назад +1

    Uruskriel of the metal wing looks a little familiar eh?

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад

      🤣 - Sometimes I do things just for me

  • @philhudson3619
    @philhudson3619 Год назад +3

    Deep dive on non devils of hell. Kytons and Asura

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      Kytons are from the shadow plane! But yes, I'm totally going there. I think I'll probably get the Asura first in a video covering Asura, Divs & Qlippoths (the other 'hellish' residents) and then give Kytons (or Velstracs now, goodbye OGL) a whole video just for themselves because they are awesome.

    • @philhudson3619
      @philhudson3619 Год назад +1

      @@TheMythkeeper oh shit I just out lored the mythkeeper himself. Truly an auspicious event. Velstracs, Mythkeeper, may fine dining be upon your name, fled to the shadow plane after being kicked out of Hell by the Asmodean exodus into the plane.
      At least according to the wiki. We both have autism you realize

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      Haha! I know that, what I said is still correct. Today they hail from the shadow plane. 😉

    • @philhudson3619
      @philhudson3619 Год назад +2

      @@TheMythkeeper I'm native American

  • @divergentlife493
    @divergentlife493 Год назад +2

    Which lesson is about Sarkoris, Worldwound, Crusades history?

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      The Worldwound video is not out yet I'm afraid, but it will be coming out in the next month or so! I also have a Mendev video coming with some details about the crusades there too.

    • @divergentlife493
      @divergentlife493 Год назад +1

      @@TheMythkeeper Oh OK thanks. I'll watch those since I'm playing that game.

  • @agentchaos9332
    @agentchaos9332 Год назад +2

    Nergul, not to be confused with Nurgal, Nerull, or Null, who all represent similar themes

  • @mysterionlibrary
    @mysterionlibrary Год назад +1

    33:16 Hi, Demogorgon!

  • @presidenttogekiss635
    @presidenttogekiss635 Год назад +1

    Wait, are those THE cornugons the feat "Cornugon Smash" is named after?

  • @KuLaydMahn
    @KuLaydMahn 3 месяца назад +1

    So did Pathfinder rip from FF4 or did FF4 get those names from actual mythology?

  • @alexwatts1064
    @alexwatts1064 Год назад +1

    Shoutout to my boy Ragathiel for clowning on Infernal Duke Deumus and also the former lord of Avernus, Typhon

  • @boldcitylongsword9941
    @boldcitylongsword9941 5 месяцев назад +1

    I wonder what the relationship between Mammon and Abadar is?

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  5 месяцев назад

      Canonically - unspecified. However my 2 cents, is not good. Mammon is a god of greed, which means he promotes the hoarding of wealth. Abadar is a god of commerce, so he promotes investment. While he does encourage his followers to 'spend money, to make money' he also believes trade in general betters society overall. He's also a god of civilization and culture, and the exchange of ideas. Mammon probably feels to him like a corruption of his ideals, and this would probably get under his skin. (But this is just my 2 cents!)

  • @trueKENTUCKY
    @trueKENTUCKY Год назад +1

    currently in the house of hope in bg3

  • @presidenttogekiss635
    @presidenttogekiss635 Год назад +1

    I wonder if Barbatos is supposed to be a Quillpoth.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      I think he's meant to be something much weirder than that. Like a Lovecraft thing from the Dark Tapestry.

  • @PungiFungi
    @PungiFungi Год назад +3

    It struck me as really odd that in D&D, all the nobility of the Hells were male and the only female nobles acted as consorts to the archdevils. Pathfinder apparently adopted this as well. The demons of the Abyss were more egalitarian.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      This is definitely one of those legacy things that if they were recreating the setting from scratch they would almost certainly do differently.

  • @SynderFGC
    @SynderFGC Год назад +2

    Erecura is giving Persephone vibes

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      Love, love, love Erecura. Just like the idea that there is a Neutral, maybe even good-leaning goddess, that just happens to live in Hell. Definitely underused deity.

    • @SynderFGC
      @SynderFGC Год назад +1

      @@TheMythkeeper I definitely might need to use her for my next character

  • @christopherbenson2491
    @christopherbenson2491 Год назад +1

    Ok it was alright when u put a pic of a Lord of Change as sub for an infernal Duke, but u tried slipping ARCHANGEL OF THE X-MEN!!????!!!! 😮😅😂

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад

      Hey, you try and find a picture of an angel with metal wings that _isn't_ Archangel!

  • @jasonpauldegraaf
    @jasonpauldegraaf 5 месяцев назад +1

    AB-a-don is more or less the correct pronunciation. Biblical Hebrew word meaning "place of destruction."

  • @RicardoPM777
    @RicardoPM777 Год назад +1

    👏👏👏

  • @sjoerddz
    @sjoerddz Год назад +2

    Dispater is one of the few you could worship without being a total ass

  • @aevum6667
    @aevum6667 Год назад +1

    Members only content? Ill stick to creators with integrity thanks.
    EDIT: Clarifications were made, apologies for the original comment.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      Its not members-only, its early access. All my content comes through the main channel if you're patient.

    • @aevum6667
      @aevum6667 Год назад +1

      @@TheMythkeeper Forgive me for calling the content with the "members-only" tag as being for members only.
      Why are you using RUclips's system over a site like Patreon?

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      @@aevum6667 Just because I was already on RUclips and it all seemed conveniently built into their service. I'm still pretty new at all this. The channels been up less than a year, but maybe a Patreon will go up in the future.

    • @aevum6667
      @aevum6667 Год назад +1

      @@TheMythkeeper Gotcha, the reason many people, myself included, are far more harsh on channel memberships then Patreon is that unlike Patreon RUclips does some really unfair things regarding the algorithm for channels using it's membership feature.
      So it gives people who monetize through RUclips an easier time in the algorithm then people who don't monetize or who monetize in 3p ways.
      We just don't want to see RUclips became more of a hellscape where you need to monetize your channel to even be seen in search results and recommended videos.

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +1

      @@aevum6667 Hey I absolutely didn't know any of this. I was remarkably uninformed when I put my first video up on the channel. Thanks for the info though I really appreciate it.

  • @josephparent7690
    @josephparent7690 Год назад +1

    You shouldn't put exclusive content on the playlist that we can't watch. Boo

    • @TheMythkeeper
      @TheMythkeeper  Год назад +2

      There's nothing exclusive. That's just early access. Eventually everything comes up on the channel ;-)

  • @robfrank3423
    @robfrank3423 Год назад +2

    Im always annoyed that colonization is seen as an absolute evil