The Strange Death Of Hilkka Saarinen
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- One of Finland's most famous "unsolved" cases.
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Crazy to think a woman's last discussion was about what gift she would give to her husband only to be murdered by him before interacting with another soul
Women is plural. One woman is.. woman.
@@CadaverJunky8 holy shit shut up
@@CadaverJunky8 yeah ik it's just a typing mistake or autocorrect, thank you for pointing it out tho
@@WhaleAid ok love you
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However, there is nothing to fear! For you, there are greater issues in spelling, such as the controversy over whether it was really necessary to add the word "orientated" to the OED, when the shorter old school word "oriented" has sufficed for so long.
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How the hell did he manage to skate on murder charges? This is like the most obvious case of all time. Even his son knew it was him.
Because here in Finland the justice system doesn't want to offend criminals. For god's sake, r*pists get a year or two in prison. Kill someone in cold blood? On average you sit 14 years. Prisoners have sh*t like gaming consoles and flat screen t.v.s, so that they don't get bored.
The son was the murderer
@@freedom_-vn2dc the son wasnt even there when she went missing
@@freedom_-vn2dc When you have 90 iq.
@@freedom_-vn2dc were you on the jury?
As someone who grew up walking distance away from the house, thank you for covering this. My mom used to say that as a kid, she remembered seeing Pentti around town, always drunk and red faced. Everyone in town knew what he had done. My grandpa (from father's side) said how all of people that would hang out with Pentti for beers, avoided him. He being one of them. It's not justice, but he died in that house, drinking himself to death, all alone. And I hope those years for him were misery.
The house was torn down on 2015 and nothing new has been build on the spot.
It’s strange how Pentti murdered his wife while gaining absolutely nothing from it…
He destroyed his own life and the lives of his family by abusing them and spending the entirety of his salary on booze, causing them all to live in poverty.
When the children were ultimately taken away he was left alone with his wife, he killed her, causing himself even more trouble.
For the rest of his life the cops were breathing down his neck, and the possibility of going to prison must constantly have been in the back of his mind.
And since everyone in town knew he was guilty he was ostracized from the community and spent his final years alone in his house, drinking himself to death. Never again setting foot in the room where he hid the body of his wife and ended up sleeping on the floor while turning the rest of the house into a garbage dump…
@@xxxccc4753 its just misogynistic brainrot
Really interesting insight, this comment. A firsthand view. Olen oppinut paljon .. Kittos, sekaa Beezie, Shrouded Hand!
I came to see if maybe they tried it in the US, lol.
Did you ever hear what became of the children? They must have been so traumatized by what they saw happening to their mother. It sounds like he abused the kids as well. I hope they had good foster families and were able to move past their early years and live well.
Imagine being Seppo's teenage friend, spending Christmas with these vibes.
Then seeing it in the news years later
“Dude I think your dad killed your mom”
“Yeah, he’s like that.”
Imagine being a dude and not only sleeping in the same bed with your dude friend but also his dad. EDIT: dad who is giving off creepy AF vibes.
A Christmas to remember for all the wrong reasons
@@audreymuzingo933 supposedly entire-ass families - incl. occasional guests - habitually sharing 1 big bed was normal in days past, & especially in particularly cold places. So this checks out as not weird for the pre -mid-20th-Century in Finland; a classic case of culture shock, for the likes of us. :-)
Apparently filial bed-sharing remains not uncommon in many 3rd World countries & much of non-urbanised Asia.
One interesting, albeit sad, fact about this whole story is that all of the tragedy and abuse that this lady had to endure through the years happened in HER own childhood home. She probably had fond memories of growing up there and it ultimately became her final resting place, thanks to some asshole. R.I.P. Hilkka
Yeah. Also the guy basicly destroyed the entire house as well
Yes, utterly appalling that thug was violently abusing and terrorising Hilkka and their children in the home that she grew up in, that was left to HER by her grandparents. And the 'solution' the authorities reached was to take the children into foster care, and leave her living there alone at his mercy, to be abused and finally murdered by him.
Hilkka should have been able to evict him from HER house, change the locks, start divorce proceedings and raise her children in peace as a single mother. But in 1960 there was no financial support for abuse victims or single parents, and society would not have recognised or respected her plight. As she presumably owned the house outright, at least she didn't have to find rent and may have been able to manage by doing some work from home.
It's sickening Hilkka's killer was able to retain ownership of her house even after killing and entombing her there. And he obviously ran the place into the ground living like a tramp, so when he died its doubtful their children benefited much from its sale.
Hilkka's kids should have taken ownership of the house after he was jailed, sold it and split the proceeds - then when he was outrageously released from jail, he'd have found himself homeless. Would have served him right. That said, his last years were pretty squalid, sleeping on the floor in tons of garbage etc. Ironically, he'd have had a better standard of living in prison, so maybe he did get some justice in the end.
@@glamdolly30 I know in the US in the 60s, women weren't able to own bank accounts without their husband's permission. Not sure about Nordic countries but I really wouldn't be surprised if there were financial barriers like that to prevent her from being able to escape, too.
@@StarxLolita I'm Finnish and I'm pretty sure that women were permitted to have their own bank accounts at the time, I think the problem would've more likely been the normalization of the abuse towards her. It might not have been the case with her husband, but after WWII, the winter war, the continuation war, and loss of Karelia leaving thousands of people as war refugees, a lot of people were traumatized and never fully recovered. Many men turned to alcohol for comfort because talking isn't "what men do", and took their frustration and anger out on their families, my great grandpa included.
There's a good chance that the people around her just accepted his behavior as that of a drunk husband after they tried and failed to intervene, something par for the course, the village drunk who beats his wife. You can remove the kids from that situation but you can't save an adult unless they feel ready and safe to leave, and in this case his control and abuse of her ended in murder before she escaped.
@@StarxLolita not sure where you got your info but my mum had her own bank account in the 60s with no permission from her husband needed.
I work law enforcement, and this escalating pattern of abuse leading to a murder is too familiar to me. The abusive partner uses systematic and escalating abuse and belittlement to dehumanize the victim in order to work themselves up to doing what they really want to do. Alcohol is often blamed, but the reality is that the alcohol is just another tool in the process of working themselves up to do it. At the core of domestic abuse is a compulsion for control and to remove thier partner's agency. Murder is the ultimate form of control as it permanently removes the victims agency.
Bottom line, if you know somebody in such a relationship, ALERT THE AUTHORITIES. We can't act on what doesn't get reported. It doesn't always end in murder, but it certainly can. Your call might be what allows the process to be interrupted and save a life.
"A drunk mans words are a sober mans thoughts." is a quote that comes to mind. I would say another way to say it is "A drunk mans acts are a sober mans desires".
Well said. Excellent explanation
I live in Australia and when I reported my ex they put a restraining order in place but wouldn't actually let me press charges or make an official statement, they also let him leave with my car that I never saw again despite me asking police to get my keys off him and wouldn't let me list it stolen and when he repeatedly broke the restraining order they did nothing about it when he should have been taken to court over the breaches to potentially face fines and or prison. I've heard that similar things happen in America too. Alot of cops don't take domestic violence seriously until the victim is dead, or they don't believe you, protect the abuser, don't enforce restraining orders, don't try and get people help until it's too late. I'm not saying every cop is like that but many are.
@@nrgbunni. and people wonder why they don't trust the justice system
OP if you're reading this, as a law enforcer what do you think of the police in this case? Would you agree they under-utilized a potentially great witness in the son Zepo? Shouldn't they have shared their interrogation info with him a lot sooner? I just keep thinking of how much more evidence they could have found if they'd excavated that oven all those years before, namely to be able to determine the mother's cause of death.
Wow, I feel so bad for Hilkka in this situation since it seems like all the cards were stacked against her, with being left alone with her abusive husband and the authorities not putting two and two together immediately. I dunno if her death really could be avoided, since that would mean taking her away from the abuser which wasn’t that easy in that day and age.
Still though…very sad. I hope Hilkka can at least Rest In Peace.
Well said 💙
Ahhhhhh the good old days some like to remember. This is similar to stories i tend to think of.
Finland was pretty much run by women during WW1 and WW2 while all the men were away. Women were and are a lot more progressive there than in places like the US, Australia etc. Even back then. She would have had more choice than women of the time from other countries
I have a sneaking suspicion after authorities seen how she was caring for her children they didn't really give two goats asses about what happened to her. In fairness if it was the husband that disappeared I'm sure they would of cared just as much.
It could be avoided... if she left him
I feel deep sadness for the son, who was the only one advocating for his mother, only to be failed over and over. Knowing your father killed your mother is its own horror, but knowing he got away with it... may Hilkka rest in peace, free of the torment she suffered in life at the hands of her abuser.
Don't worry about it. I'm sure he's in hell.
@@LeanneFowler-ms5xc I'm sure his last lonely years were extremely miserable too. He wasn't in prison, but I'm confident he was not happy in the alcoholic squalor he lived in.
Suomi mainittu. Torille!
In Finland the case is known as "Oven homicide". I was surprised to hear that the house was still up as late as it was... Sadly I never had a chance to visit it.
Another famous finnish crime case you could try to cover is Lake Bodom Murders, it's also considered unsolved case even if there are strong suspects.
Intense ! "Oven homicide".
Lake bodom is definetly interesting especially because the evidence is so strong that it feels like it should be solved by now.
Edit: ja torille tosiaan :DDDD
Ui juma
Yes!! Lake bodom 💚
ohhoh
My father beat my mother like that until I was 9 years old. Too many screwed up stories but I'll tell a couple. Strangled her with an old rotary phone cord while she was pregnant with me in the womb. Meanwhile beat her over the head (with said phone) and in the stomach essentially trying to kill me. Why else hit her stomach? While she was only 19 and living with him at his parents house, she would cook food and if he didn't like it would literally smash it into her face in front of everyone. This same shit went on for years until I was 9. (Too, too many stories) She finally left him. Then he proceeded to fuck me up on the regular. First time he got truly physical, he went to prison for 4 years. This continued while I jumped around never having a stable home for more than a year or two. But once I got much bigger than him he tried it again and got wrecked. Longer story short hes been in and out of prison for nearly 26 years now. Incarcerated to this day 2,500 miles away. Piece of shit and sometimes (not all) its better to not have a father.
Got so sad and angry for you reading your story... fck violent abusive POS and hope you have managed to rescue your life and not let memories of that miserable arsewipe echo on and screw up the rest of your life
Do sorry to hear about this. I can't even imagine how hard it must be coming from such a horrible background. You have every right to hate him but don't let that loser's actions poison your ability to live a fulfilling life.
@@themongrelkingtoo388 thank you very much. I appreciate that gesture insanely.
@@gertywhatagash_ I come from a traumatic background as well. It's taken me so long to take control of my life and start living the way I always feared I never could. The bullshit is still with me but it doesn't decide my life anymore. Action does. You survived. You can do this.
That's horrible! I'm glad you both are safe from your father.
Truly one of the only channels that covers topics that haven't been seen before a billion times, always an awesome day to see a Shrouded Hand upload
Im surprised he doesnt have 1M subs yet. Theyre missing out
@@skyminnie6605 he'll get there soon enuff, imo. He's got very interesting content, gruesome but at the same time great stories. And sometimes the weird and unexplainable stories. My kinda channel! ✌
@ John 🔥 I hear u on that!! Rare content that's either gruesome, ultra weird or just plain unexplainable. ✌🍻
Right, he's not another RUclipsr covering a diatlov pass or the disappearance of lisanne froon and Kris kremers. He really puts work into his videos not only copying for clicks
I've actually seen this story covered by a couple other creators, but S.H. did a great job with it.
Cases like this make my blood boil. He got away with murder and I hope she haunted him for the rest of his miserable years.
Same! I feel she probably did haunt him. That’s why he was afraid to touch the oven to repair it
If ghosts are real and can really haunt people, I'm sure she did.
@@someoneout-there2165 Don't worry, ghosts are real
Yeayea ghosts lmao 😂
He didnt seem to be bothered seeing how he returned to the house and remained there.
respect for covering cases that havent been covered to death and sensationalized. you treat the victims with respect, and the cases with professionalism.
as for an idea.. may i suggest the mysterious suicide of "Mary Anderson," a woman who was found dead in a Seattle hotel in 1996. she was well preserved, had a note and everything.. but nobody knows who she is.
I agree he doesn’t use clickbait and disrespectful story telling. He gives the facts of the case in a very respectful way for those morbidity curious
Lol
@@R4G4M3MN0N edgy
@@peachbunnys01 how am I edgy
A Finnish subscriber here, I hadn't heard of this so thank you for covering it. It's sadly a tale as old as time, "viina, kirves ja perhe" as they say. The culture discourages people (especially men) from sharing their emotions or seeking support, leading to a hell of a lot of alcohol abuse, domestic abuse and suicide. Extremely unfair that a wife has to be on the receiving end of all of that, even losing her life.
I am American but some of my family and my last name are Finnish and we even have this culture. My grandfather and all of his 7 siblings except one died from alcoholism. My grandmother (who is not Finnish) seemed to encourage the alcoholism because he was easier to deal with that way. He was a lot more the passive, zombified alcoholic than the violent alcoholic. It was all extremely sad.
@@Iudicatio Alcohol is a truly evil substance and I don't say that lightly.
Kiitos for your insight. It's sad that so many cultures discourage men from getting emotional help and see it as "un-manly." The stigma around mental health needs to end so society can progress.
Mental health and alcohol are symptoms, not causes - some men are just plain evil. Society needs to support women like Hilkka to escape such monsters with their children, but in 1960 attitudes were very male-centric.
It's appalling that Hilkka owned that house - it was her childhood home, and left to her by her grandparents. And yet when that thug began beating her and their children, the authorities' 'solution' was to remove the children from the mother who loved them and put them all into care - leaving her alone and afraid in the house, to be abused and murdered by the cause of the crisis, her husband.
Hilkka should have been able to divorce him, change the locks and raise her kids in peace in HER house. But her husband retained ownership of her house right up to his death - even after he had murdered and entombed her there! A great pity her children didn't sell the place when he was first sent to jail and split the proceeds between them, as Hilkka would no doubt have wanted. Then he'd have been released from jail to find himself homeless, as he deserved.
I find it faintly depressing people were visiting the house out of ghoulish curiosity that a woman's body had been hidden there by her murderer. The place was above all a grim monument to Hilkka's cruel persecution, and a society indifferent to the human rights of females. She was so entirely powerless due to her sex, that when her husband broke the law by abusing her and the kids, they, not he, were punished.
She was of such low status as a woman, not even the fact she was the legal owner of the property gave her any power to protect herself and her children from him. And this happened shockingly recently in relative terms, in 1960, just 62 years ago. Poor Hilkka and her children suffered terribly - not only because of her husband, but because of the power society allowed him to wield over his victims.
One common reason to why so many of that generation of finnish men drank a lot is the war aginst Russia. A war that was morally right defending their own country, but still wrong because it was on the same side as the nazis. Afterwards the men were told to shut up and don't talk about it so they could forget it. The only solution left to fight the demons of PTSD was alchohol.
Thank you for covering this case, it's very famous here in Finland. Everyone here knows Pentti did it, it has never been doubted. The problems arise only in the eyes of the law.
Here's a short explanation of how that happened: "The Kokemäki local court decided that Pentti had not caused Saarinen's death on purpose, and sentenced him to eight years' imprisonment for manslaughter. However, Pentti only served one year of his sentence, after the Turku District Court and the Supreme Court of Finland freed him. They each claimed that neither the cause nor manner of Hilkka Saarinen's death was known, and one could no longer be sentenced for accidental killing after 12 years." (wikipedia)
He basically got lucky with a legal loophole and was able to walk free, even though literally everyone knew he did it.
It doesn't make up for the suffering Hilkka went thought, but I am very glad to know how miserable Pentti's last years were in that rotting house all alone.
Probably more miserable drinking himself to death in that sad house than sobering up in prison.
Sit kun sillä ois jotain merkitystä niin silloin ei tietenkää kytät saa aikaseks :DD
@@TheZINGularity I'm sure the people he bought the alcohol from made bank, too. Drinking himself to death alone was a fitting end for him.
Suomen "oikeuslaitos" on aina ollut yks iso vitsi
Crazy, that Suomi is a real language.
No offense.
@@Lizard_Queen6 Ei täällä joudu lusimaan kuin lähinnä warettamalla ja veroja kiertämällä. Ihmisiä saa vahingoittaa aivan vapaasti.
So creepy he just stayed there with the oven busted open. I hope his guilt tortured him, a-la Tell-Tale Heart, but I doubt he felt anything.
That's one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard. Someone could murder their partner and hangout around their corpse for 12 years like it's a nirmal thing. 🤢🤮
He drank his feelings away long before that happened.
Why would he have guilt he's a psychopath= no guilt. System serves psychopaths
@@someoneout-there2165 It's actually far more common than you think. I once heard about a case where the guy kept the body of his wife in a barrel he kept in the living room, even occasionally joking to the family that he hid her there when they were wondering how did she go missing, and no one ever took him serious and thought his using dark humor to cope with it. The guy even moved the barrel with him when he moved houses. The secret of the barrel content was eventually uncovered and he was convicted for the murder of his wife.
No, it didn't. Because psychos don't have something like that.
The last things Hilkka did was getting a christmas tree for her home, calling her children hoping they could spend the festivities together and, even after years of abuse, planning to surprise her husband with a gift... Just to end up buried in her own childhood home and not even getting justice afterwards... Thats really depressing.
"hey i wonder what happened to that hilkka lady"
"the one with the abusive alcoholic mason for a husband?"
"that's the one"
"the lady that disappeared? never seen again in months and months and months?"
"yeah"
"like, the husband whose domestic violence and negligent abuse even for the 1950s was enough to get their kids taken away?"
"yep"
"didn't they have a masonry oven in their house? for some reason?"
"yeah"
Tbh, pretty much all rural houses had a masonry oven. Even today, many want one in their home, but usually in a separate room altogether, not in their kitchens.
Remind me to go to Finland if I ever need to commit murder
I've actually heard of this one. I feel so sad for her. I've always wondered if she was still alive the day her son came.
Her son is basically useless. Your mom is missing and you don't do anything, sleep through the night and business as usual.
Damn. I didnt think of that, and its so awful idea. Although if she was entirely buried i think she would not have lived long if she was even still alive when he put her inside the oven.
The son has claimed hearing knocking from the oven but likely that's something he has imagined afterward. She was buried in sand so not really possible that she was alive.
I put a lot of time into this case a couple of years back (I'm Finnish). I actually think that Hilkka died during a beating and he put her in the oven afterwards. The thought of her being put there alive was really bothering me for a long time, but I found out that she would have died to lack of air in a matter of minutes, so that's better than nothing.
Thank you.
I mean its still minutes in a scalding hot oven. Have you ever put your hand on the stove for half a second? That hurts a lot. Minutes of that all over your body? Still pretty aweful.
@@serendipidus8482 I don't think that's the case either, because the sheer amount of time to put her in the oven would make it impossible for the oven to heat up in time for that to happen. (the guy had to rebuild it with her there). She was probably dead to blunt force trauma or suffocation, not burned like that.
@@idr121i didnt say anything about how anyone died. You are replying to the wrong person or misunderstanding what I said.
@@serendipidus8482 K
While we're doing Finland, how about examining the Anneli Auer-case? Thanks for this to you and of course Tommi, hadn't heard about this in ages.
yesss I want to hear it from Shroud
I would love to see it covered too. I remember it being a very sensational story many years ago.
Shit I forgot all about that one, grew up seeing her face plastered on IS and IL at least once a week for years
@@rory8308 yeah and that case took unbelieveable twists and turns almost everyday, and yet still is "unsolved". Well at least if you're working only with two braincells or work as a detective. 🙄
Ikävä sanoa se näin suoraan, mutta on aika ilmiselvää, että Auer on syyllinen.
Usually this type of content is full of USA cases. It's good to hear stuff from other countries.
I agree! These channels all cover mostly the same US cases, and it's always nice to hear of other true crime stories from different nations. Adds some variety, you know?
I agree.
Good is such a strange word to use
I see a few comments here that the last years of Pentti’s life, with his wive’s corpse so close, must have been hell for him as he was constantly reminded of his crime and burdened by his conscience. Well, this is not necessarily the case, as things work differently for a psychopath. They like to keep a “souvenir” of their crime and are known to store body parts, etc. We don't know for sure, but this could also be the case here. Just think that Pentti could have easily buried his wife anywhere in the forest, which would have been infinitely more effective way of hiding the body, but he chose to keep it in the house, at the risk of being discovered, so that he could spend the rest of his days next to it.
Yeah exactly I've just said that on another comment referring to the hope he feels guilt. Psychopaths feel NO guilt. No conscience as you say. Thrill of body being close the trophies psychopaths keep..
Thanks for pointing it out.
@@beatricedavonlea This depends on the definition of a psychopath. To me, the dividing line between who is normal and who is not is that a psychopath enjoys causing pain just for the sake of it (something that normal people can’t comprehend), which usually can be observed early in life - some children enjoy torturing animals and may be fascinated by death and dead bodies. But you are right, I was only speculating when suggesting that he was one.
You cant really dig a hole in the ground in the middle of winter, maybe he just did the easiest thing and drank about it
Lots assuming that he's not a sociopath that wouldn't give a single fuck
It would be lovely to hear you cover some other finnish murder stories. This was actually the first time that I actually saw a picture of Pentti even though I've known about this story for years
My heart breaks for all the women who suffered monstrous abuse in the hands of men who got away with it back in the day, and still do.
Catherine Kieu.
@@Aivottaja?
@@KrPrepaid My heart breaks for the man who suffered monstrous abuse in her hands.
@@Aivottaja Ymmärrän
@@AivottajaAnd why exactly do you feel the need to bring it up in comments about women suffering from DV? I feel like any time abuse of men is brought up, it's always to undermine womens'. Always the whataboutism. Never actually properly discussed on its own because some people are desperate to only "buut men".
What's sad to me is the fact that if the law enforcement did actually dismantle the oven when Seppo suggested it in his letter, the case would have been solved after 5 years instead of 11 or 12.
Thank you! Another poin to me on "Finland mentioned" - game. Seriously, thanks to notice our top horror story. You give it an extra flavour with your lovely voice❤️ Our language is hard even for us natives😒. You did a good job!🤗
Your voice is so relaxing! Thanks for helping me get to sleep when it’s difficult! I love your content
oh man you must have some gnarly dreams if you fall asleep to shrouded hand lmao
@@lucasbrucas9632 i tried that with MrBallen's vids and started seeing the faces of the victims in my dreams
@@lucasbrucas9632 Personally, I listen to this channel oftentimes to fall asleep, and it has never caused a bad dream or nightmare of any sort. It's just very relaxing to listen to his voice 😴❤️
@@therealsuomi1153 I also fell asleep listening to one of MrBallen's videos about people who disappeared in forests, and I dreamt that it happened to me. It was horrifying thinking that I was alone in the dark, at the mercy of the elements, being stalked by some creature. Never again!
I heard about this case by word of mouth as a kid, we were telling spooky stories to each other. Very famous case here in Finland, but as kids in the nineties we thought it might be just an urban legend. It still haunted my thoughts for several days after I heard it. Learned the details later as an adult, truly the stuff of nightmares.
Thank you for covering this haunting case!
Not enough evidence?! That makes no sense but in the end I think his fate living the rest of his days in squalor inside that dilapidated house alone might be a worse fate then going to prison imo
Fair point. A constant reminder of what he did, a falling apart house, imprisoned by his own alcholism. It may have very well been a fate worse than going to jail.
@@ELEcomments I can only imagine the dark aura he felt every time he got near that oven. If there's such thing as ghosts I hope she haunted the crap out of him.
Not enough factual evidence.
Sadly all too often there is no justice in this world.😢
12 yrs in an oven, 8 yrs incarcerated, out in 6mths. Ridiculous even if it was substantial it was obvious who the perpetrator was.
On the other hand, living in an environment with the constant reminder of his actions could have been more detrimental physiologically than any incarceration imposed.
Torille!
Happy little surprise to see that you made a video about this. Wasn't expecting this at all. Greetings from Finland and thank you, Shrouded Hand!
Your pfp will give me nightmares.
Anyways, good choice. Just spooks me
I'll take a step away from the main subject for a second to just say: Finnish names and words are just so cool
It's all fun and games until you have to learn the language at school
Yup
@@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147 I've heard online that it's pretty tough to learn, at least for english speakers
@@Xizilqou for me it is, just moved to Finland and feel like giving up on Finnish, even tho I can't
My dad is Finnish so I heard it spoken between my father and his brother, but unfortunately only know a few words myself.
I'd seen something about the case before. It's incredibly sad and incredibly frustrating that her murderer wasn't brought to justice in any meaningful way. Thanks for sharing it!
Not intervening in domestic violence because “ it’s not my business “ is the lamest fake excuse. Your just as guilty for seeing it and saying nothing
Sounded like it was the village being told by the family 'it's not your business' which is common in domestic abuse situations, even with the victim.
Not "just as guilty" but guilty to some degree for sure.
While I agree with the sentiment, intervening in these situations can get you killed by the abuser. Also, a lot of these women develop Stockholm syndrome and will turn on you if you try to intervene. Not to say you shouldn't do something about it, but direct intervention might not be the best course of action.
Saying something isn’t going to accomplish anything. “Hey, stop hitting your wife bud!” Isn’t going to help. Physically intervening means putting yourself at risk and is not advisable at all unless you are maybe armed and well trained with a firearm. Even if you are skilled in mma the abuser could have a knife or significant size advantage. And as the comment above mentioned, in many cases the woman will then turn on the person trying to intervene. Most people aren’t willing to put their lives on the line for a neighbors quarrel that doesn’t involve them.
Calling the police is probably a better route to take (safer for you, the ‘intervener’), but even that can and usually does escalate things. When things escalate murders/suicides by cop etc.. can happen.
So reducing a rather complicated situation down to: “if you don’t intervene in a dv situation you are just as bad as the abuser” is a rather unrealistic view of things.
@@squanchysquanch1840 Ever heard of the Ken McElroy case? People can, in fact, put a fucking STOP to abuse when they decide they’ve had enough. And given how broken the law enforcement system is, it seems like that’s what more towns may have to start doing to open abusers.
It's infuriating and sad how many times authorities know that abuse is happening but can't or won't do anything about it
Thanks! And lots of love and support from Finland!🤗♥️
This was very interesting. Im born in Sweden but my parents
is from Finland. Gonna read more about this! Thanks for the upload!
Huge thanks to Tommy and shrouded hand for this great episode, love all the research you put into these my friend, excellent content 👍. cheers.
As morbid as it sounds, the funniest part of this whole case is the fact that he looked at the oven and was like "ah, yes! I shall take out the wall and hide her there! Genius!" And never thought "hmm, an oven can be used to burn things" and used it to fucking burn the body. The sand in the walls even preserved her well enough for them to easily identify her. For a guy who was so paranoid about being caught, he wasn't very smart.
effectively burning a body requires extreme amounts of heat! A modern crematorium burns at 800-1000 degrees celsius and still takes 2-3 hours, and also still leaves you with a few odd bones. Attempts to burn the remains would probably have just given him a scorched up corpse he would still have to hide, and an oven full of evidence of attempted cremation. I hope this doesn't read as condescending, I just find this stuff interesting! ^^'
@@carolineatkinson5982 that's actually pretty interesting! I wonder if the guy knew more about that sort of thing, hence why he took out the wall instead of attempting to burn it.
@@carolineatkinson5982 You can actually burn a body with a normal fire, it just takes 2-3 days. I've seen it tested on a pig carcass in the investigation of a different cold case. You are likely to have bone fragments in the ash though, so there's still alot of work and potentially to slip up and be caught. Difficult and time-consuming, but doable.
With the lack of resources and no fuel evident in even the sauna, I would almost bet the oven wasn’t working or working very poorly. Dude couldn’t even keep himself warm in winter let alone waste precious wood/fuel needed to burn a body. The sand was probably the path of least resistance for Drunky McDrunkerson.
@@mudslicker3122 that's also a really good point. I hadn't thought about it that way!
Shrouded Hand.. you will always be in my top 10 RUclipsrs. Something about the contrast of the content with your hypnotic voice is just perfect. Your voice can be equally creepy and comforting at the same time.
Man ! You're truly unique. Whenever I get a video from you, everything around me goes silently dark, Silent Hill music starts playing in the background.
It feels so good to listen to your stories.
Wow!? What a tragic story...poor Hilkka. The poor women shoulda left when the kids were taken but obviously that's easier said than done. Plus, divorces or separations were not as common back in those days as they are nowadays. Woman were maybe a little too loyal back in those days, too loyal and too dignified. This is very bad combination in an abusive relationship.
*Thank You Shrouded Hand!* 🙏🏻🔥
Yeah and the other problem is they didn't seem to have a lot of money leaving an abusive partner when you have no money to start over anywhere means you're just moving from an abusive house to the street unless somebody is willing to lend out a hand to you and if she's in her thirties or older and hasn't had a job because she's been a stay-at-home mom it could be pretty hard to find a job let alone find a job that you are good at too bad she didn't get the chance to run away when she could
@@matthewpitre8159 yeah for sure. That's a good point to make. From the sounds of it, she didn't have any family to get help from, or even look for her when she vanished. Pretty easy to make someone disappear when there's no one to know they're missing. If it wasn't for the son who knew something wasn't right, someone could be living in that home, possibly still using the oven to this very day if nothing was changed and no one knew a woman was murdered there of course.
No offense Matthew, and off topic but may I ask why u don't use punctuation? If I had to read that out loud, I'd probably run out of breath once or twice before the end since its difficult to tell where a sentence ends and/or begins without punctuation. I had to ask...
@@amodernalchemist432 Just want to point out: what Matthew is describing wasn't just the scenario "back in those days"; it is reality for tons of women and even some men, nowadays. I always think "JUST GET OUT! GO ANYWHERE!" but then, I can always think of at least one place I COULD go at the drop of a hat. That's just not the case for some people. Matter of fact, if they've been in the abusive relationship long enough, the abuser has likely formed a cocoon of nastiness around the couple, causing everyone to drift away, and maybe even feel some disgust for the victim because they appear to be an idiot, so they stop visiting, stop calling, etc. By the time the victim realizes they must get out, they have few if any phone numbers to call, and they would be awkward calls to people they haven't spoken to in years.
@@audreymuzingo933 r u kidding me? Obviously, it still happens today, to both men and women. I wasn't born yesterday...in fact I'm 41 year old father of 2 teenagers. I'm well aware of abusive relationships, I really don't need someone trying to school me in a comment section on RUclips especially when they they didn't even understand what I said, thank u. *Oh and FYI,* I was *specifically* commenting on *this video in particular* and the *time period in which this case took place in.* 👍
@@amodernalchemist432 Apologies, I had no way to know your age, parental status, or anything else about you, and I didn't make the reply to contradict you, only provide info in case you didn't know.
The first thing that strikes me, is that the husband blames the woman not being able to cook proper food and take care of the kids at the same time he spends all the money on booze... how to cook food out of thin air?
Nice timing, I was just beginning to get the shakes from Shrouded Hand withdraws the likes of which I haven't seen since I was in rehab. :D
This video was a total trip, the narration, the creepiness of the place and story, and the dark background music made this such an experience. I had no option other than to subscribe 😀
What's crazy to me is after the mom disappeared, literally everyone knew her husband did something...no one wondered...they knew..poor lady..smh
I love your content, but this one breaks my heart. How can any man put his hands on his wife. This woman loved him. The love of a good woman is invaluable. No price can be put on it. You protect your baby girl, even at the cost of your own life. This story is a stain on what it means to be a real man.
Completely agree. How someone could do such a thing to their husband or wife, I'll never know. It's always heartbreaking to hear when a man takes the life of his wife, or vice versa... 😔
Some people go crazy.
Same could be asked for how women kill their own children.
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I've never heard about this....looking forward to the video today. Cheers SH, love your content. Much respect from Melbourne Australia🙏🌏💙
I've never heard about this before. 😢Poor Hilkka.
Thank you for sharing, Mr. Shrouded Hand. Your voice is very soothing...
I don't know what possibility is more terrifying, the thought that he sat there, insane and possibly fully believing that he had never killed her, or the thought that he sat fully content with his life and the fact that he literally got away with murder.
Thank you Tommy for suggesting this! Great narration SH!
Never heard this one before. Thanks Mr. Hand 🌟
Mista hand going ham
That’s my sex worker name
please keep posting videos like these shrouded, i have a morbid curiosity for things like this, torture etc. I really enjoy the way you describe them shrouded, keep ‘em coming💕
Awesome and unique, as usual. Love your work, Shroud. Much respect.
I appreciate you covering this case and you pronouncing finnish names better than usual. Finland might be one of the happiest coutries in paper but we have a dark past of family abuse fueled by alcohol that went unreported just because it was so common it was seen normal
Nice to see my country getting mentioned! Regarding the pronunciation of the names (just in case you end up covering Bodom murders or other finnish topic), the rule is basically if there are two of the same letters together, it'll have a "long" pronunciation, i.e. addict, assure, arrange. For reference, in this video you're saying Hilkka Saarinen as it would be written as Hilka Sarinen. Minor detail, but thought to mention it still.
So would it be more like Hilk-ka Sa-arinen?
@@Kennisaurus Pretty much yes
So, would you pronounce both letters separately, or would you just lengthen the pronunciation of the doubled letters? Kind of like how in Japanese, Tōkyo is pronounced "Tohh-kyo" where "Toh" is held for a second longer, and "kyo" is pronounced more quickly as regular pronounciations are
@@jamesduncan6729 With vowels you would just "lengthen" the pronounciation but with consonants you would pronounce them both separately
@@noora1142 I see. Thank you for your information! 👍🏻
As you are covering cases from other countries, I recommend making a video about the Isabella Nardoni case from Brazil
For years there were controversies and inconsistencies about her death and the investigation
Another perfect creation by Shrouded Hand has to be my favorite channel I can’t get enough he’s the best !!! 👑💀👑💀
Oooh I've been hoping someone outside of Finland would cover this case! Thank you, you did a great job
There's surprisingly good older Finnish movie that is loosely based around this case. It's called "Uuni" (Oven). It's more of a drama than a thriller, but there is really creepy scene where the father and son are using the oven room as sauna. When father throws water over the brick oven, the steam sounds like woman screaming.
Okay, I rewatch it. It's definitely a thriller. It's actually disturbing as hell at some points. There's a scene when the boy, passes out and sees a nightmare about his mother. She has a gaping head wound, and tries to drown him into boiling cement.
This is so incredibly sad. Thank you for shedding light on such a tragic case with compassion and respect.
only shrouded hand could bring me a case from my own country I hadn't heard of before 😌😔 edit to say your pronunciation was pretty much perfect! idk as a Finnish person I just love it when people try to speak Finnish, from just random words to actually learning the language properly 🥰
I don't mean any offense, but sometimes Finnish or Danish speaking sounds like complete gibberish to me. I think it'd be quite fun to attempt to learn a little some day, and eventually learn to speak even just a little. Finland seems like a lovely place to visit some day ❤️
Such a tragic story, it's heartbreaking...cheers.
It always blows me away that police seem to have so much trouble getting search warrants etc...for murder cases, yet it seems that the amount of people who not even sell, but use drugs are constantly getting busted...so many cases I've heard of say that they even had someone under surveillance, yet they still get away with awful crimes that are unforgivably committed against others.....this being just one case as an example..took them quite some time to go in and finally find her
Hey Shrouded you should look at the horrific story of Katarzyna Zowada in Poland and the Chicago Ripper Crew. Level of sadistic violence is off the charts!
another awesome video man! I can watch your stuff all day. just to bad I've already watched everything in your library lol but love when u drop new content. I'll always click that notification!!
Thanks for covering a case from my country, we have lots of unsolved cases.
It’s strange how Pentti murdered his wife while gaining absolutely nothing from it…
He destroyed his own life and the lives of his family by abusing them and spending the entirety of his salary on booze, causing them all to live in poverty.
When the children were ultimately taken away he was left alone with his wife, he killed her, causing himself even more trouble.
For the rest of his life the cops were breathing down his neck, and the possibility of going to prison must constantly have been in the back of his mind.
And since everyone in town knew he was guilty he was ostracized from the community and spent his final years alone in his house, drinking himself to death. Never again setting foot in the room where he hid the body of his wife and ended up sleeping on the floor while turning the rest of the house into a garbage dump…
Greetings from Finland! Thank you for this video, I really appreciate ths
Every time I hear; "Hello everybody, Shrouded Hand here."
It's a good day.
I can't help but to always hear him say "hairy hannds" every intro 😂👌👍
Damn right it is. This channel is pure gold ❤️
Every time I see you have uploaded new content, it's like Christmas
Uh-oh! I just noticed a notification from Shrouded Hand for another video, so time to drop everything and watch. I really like your production style dude. 🤙
This was really cool to see you talking about a case from my country!! Love your videos im a big fan from finland!
This is one of those frustrating cases of: 'SHE'S RIGHT THERE, WE KNOW WHO DID IT, HE SAID HE'D DO IT' But obviously, the criminal justice system doesn't just work that way, which is extra frustrating at times like this
HELLLL YES NEW SHROUDED VIDEO!!! I'm waiting for game maintenance so this is great to listen to!!
I remember hearing about this here on RUclips a long time ago, but I can't remember what channel. I had forgotten about it completely, but when you mentioned the oven, it all came back to me. Good stuff.
I enjoy these videos you are always so informed and clear spoken. No nonsense and have cases that aren't always talked about. It's a nice break from other youtubers in the same vein.
It’s disturbing to picture the husband living in that house alone and drinking for 13 years… I imagine that if there’s any justice in the universe, the hell he created for himself in his twisted mind was far worse than being in prison.
What I like about this channel is that u bring up weird , obscure stories that nobody else is talking about , your original content is admirable and fun to watch , make more videos on a weekly basis good job Welshy
The only thing I would like to hear about this case to resolve it would be how the children felt about the case and what relationship they had with their father after their mother’s body was found. Most likely not much because they let him and his house fall into neglect, but it would be nice to finish the story off that way.
I'm binging on older Shrouded Hand tonight!
I am Finnish. I love hearing about crimes from those countries.
Haista vittu
If only the investigation of this murder was "Finnish-ed" and the perpetrator was convicted successfully 😏
Yes, lovely crimes.
It’s my first video from you and I really like ur voice. It’s very calm.. but the story cave me so much chills.. the old photos made it even more disturbing. It makes me feeling sick that the evidence wasn’t enough to put him in prison because it’s really obvious to me that he killed her (accidentally or with intentionally )
The case is more about the failure of law and justice system in Finland in the 70s than anything else.
Hello, your channel was the first i started following in that category, few years back. Thanks 🙏❤️
I wonder if in those long lonely winters, in a drunken rage, Pente ranted at the oven.
How cruel.
Well what i have heard from Finnish sources Pentti was just the kind of person to do that.
Good one thank you Sir! I have never heard this one before.
This is a good example of why people don't trust the law or the system to protect us. All those getting payed, to let this monster out should be ashamed of themselves.
Best storytelling ever about this case! I didn't know their sons name before this video but now I think it's Seppo "Taiteilija" Saarinen..someone I used to know, passed some years ago 😕
That was crazy. The fact they just let him go after 6 months is unreal
i literally watched a video on this case like an hour ago, the timing omg
8 years for being charged with manslauhter?!?!?WHAT?!
Love you work mate. You always bring out the creep factor.
It's so emotionally tiring to see the same pattern of abuse and murder on the same types of victims again and again
Amanzingly narrated, thank you my shrouded friend.
As a Finn and a true crime buff, I'm not sure how I'd managed to miss this case before. Thanks for telling it, incredibly creepy that Pentti just lived in the house with his wife's corpse inside the oven for years.
If I may suggest another Finnish case that's officially unsolved but most of the evidence points to the spouse, the 2006 murder of Jukka S. Lahti, commonly known as the Ulvila murder after the town where it happened, is another very famous case here that I haven't seen covered much on English-speaking channels.
Lahti's wife Anneli Auer was twice convicted and then freed for the murder, while she claims someone broke into the house and attacked her husband.
Being Finnish and a true crime junkie and not knowing about this case blew my mind. To be fair I haven't looked into Finnish true crime, but I definitely will now. Thanks for covering this case!
Oh I love these creepy stories. Oh how I wish you would do a Halloween marathon special.