On the plus side the games will be a lot more dynamic. Right now each games feels a bit “routine” until the last few zones. Teams make a lot of pathing decisions based on their knowledge of other teams and how they play out of a POI. That’s going to be a lot harder to remember in game, so at the very least there will be more chances for things to happen. The negative is that not all POIs are created equal. So imagine getting cliff side with 300k on the line.
They definitely need to balance the POIs. I wonder how they will handle LAN finals. What do you think about them dropping the extra points the top 10 teams get for winning the winners bracket? And instead they switch that to the order teams choose their POIs. For example, first team in winners bracket will get to pick their poi first instead of getting 10 pts? Just a random idea, but seems more fair than getting those 10 extra points that for the most part don't do much. I don't think a single team has won LAN finals even with those 10 extra pts going into it. Anyways, 100 percent agree with you.
Keep scrims as random poi. However, the better you do in scrims should lead to a better poi choice # at lan. This would lead to higher quality scrims because teams would be fighting for the first pick at lan for their poi.
To answer wiggs question, how we can make it better: Make more POIs named, and balance the number of loot spawns per POI To the larger POIs with more loot, add double drop spots to allow for contests at big POIs. If you want a strong POI with plentiful loot there should be a risk of contest. Double the height of the drop ship, or maybe just 50% higher. Either way allow more flexibility in how you can drop. Doesn't have to be cross map, but should be higher. If they want this system, they cant have such an imbalance in loot spawns across POIs. That alone makes the system trash. If loot was more balanced people wouldnt care as much.
I think a slot system is probably the best way. So the bigger POI will have 2 slots making it a contest. It should free up some of the better POI's hopefully or give a team the option to contest a better POI
One of the main reason they are doing this is to remove contesting and making games more unpredictable. Not saying i agree with it, i think contests are important and fun to watch.
As a spectator it would be a good change (if they added the ability to choose location and contest after legend selection and maybe a bit higher of a drop ship)because it makes the gameplay more randomized like macro rotations for teams that have been doing the same thing for multiple years but it’s a hard line to balance that rng aspect while also being fair to all
They should map out zones for each poi so that you know what is “claimed” per say. Then take out redundant poi’s like barometer north and south. Then add in a system for the bottom 2-5 teams in the draft to be able to contest for a spot. having different sized zones for diffferent poi’s should lessen the imbalance in the looting. And the contest for bottom 2-5 teams should be enough for early game so it’s not absolute snooze fest. With that the draft system should be done with every game with priority on placements for last game ex. 1st place gets last pick or vice versa. first game tho can be completely randomized with a drawing system. pull a number out a hat kinda thing.
Here’s my theory; investors, executives, and developers are trying to improve and/or retain active concurrent player numbers by forcing the pros to set an example for how to jump/land at the beginning of a match. Because, they probably focus grouped players who quit playing the game and asked them what their biggest reason for quitting the game was, and getting eliminated at the beginning of a match was probably at the top of their list. *This is nothing more than a THEORY*
So basically on top of zone rng there’s also poi rng, and you have to know macro for every poi.. wow what a great awesome change for competitive integrity where the best team wins!
How can they even make this fair for LAN? Theres 6 games a set and 20 teams so what if a team just get shafted and gets 15th pick every set? Even if the draft is per game some teams will still never get a pick before 5th. Or on the opposite end, what about a team getting high picks every set, then seeds high and gets high pick in finals?
THIS SOLVES NOTHING, while ruining the skilled component of dropping, reducing the strategic dynamics of drop flexibility mid-tournament, and takes away the development of exciting rivalries off drop. Those amazing moments with O7 and E8 would be completely impossible. The obvious, easy solution remains just to make competing for drop spots more equitable by regulating, officially, which servers are played on during scrims (ie. an even distribution by region). We all heard Wigg's speech/ rant after Reject won, and he was absolutely correct.
I would love this change to ranked...take all the RP for the team, add it up. Then make the team with the lowest RP in the lobby get first pick of where they drop. Have it happen roughly the same time as champ select. Pred 3 stacks with number 3, 8, 12 pred for example with always have last pick. The plat team thrown in that lobby goes where they are comfortable...i would love this.
I miss the good ol kraber patty days bruh I understand in proplay when you have just have very good players on pc that can just insta headshot it sucks a lot, but when that sniper use to be the best eye candy I would ever see when opening a care package, but now you get it and it just doesn’t do what it needs to do anymore and just really lost its value in play unless you use it to third party honestly
For POI you get teams to decide best to worst POIs (20per map) and then you flip it and put worst POI for current #1 team and best POI to #20 team for highest chance of comeback and be more competitive. For first game of any tournament teams get random POI IMO that would be best way to change it if they want no contest
GOOD CHANGE. For years teams with large followings have had a monopoly on good POIs. Wanna land at a good poi? Good luck with your streaming career contesting TSM LG DZ Xset.
contesting those teams would give you more exposure even if you die 20th every match. nobodys gonna watch a team dying in 17th on rotate from dome every game at least people would watch a contest
@mack9023 they won't be landing dome everygame now with this rule. And there still will be contest. Baro north and baro south will fight most likely and same with checkpoint.
as a spectator esport this change is HORRIBLE you can claim game quality all you want but i think the game quality at big tourneys always turns out fine anyway and multiple playstyles already worked but no contests is so fucked all time great moments in apex are contests
This new POI system is making me not wanna watch lan and just wait for the apex final ring comp cos this is boring.. no action till ring 2 borinnnnnnnng
contesting is one of the most fun things to watch at lan now i have to wait 3 minutes before a fight zzzzzzzz boring as fuck and now someones stuck on a shit 3 pill 1 building poi every game instead of late dropping like NAVI did in lan scrims or just straight contesting. NRG's car heist from optic in algs champs last year gatekeeping an early matchpoint optic win also would not be possible with this new system, overall this shit sucks and watching this draft scrim the last two days has been boring as fuck
the only teams this format helps are those that are too pussy to contest a good team for a poi. want to land lava siphon? work on your contest and slam whoevers dropping there so hard they have to consider dropping elsewhere. otherwise you dont deserve to land there
i think this is just a dumb change talk about changing the game jeeez what happend to it being a battle royal i say let them all go where they want no claiming poi
50:44 holy transition
Man i know streaming and the comp scene can get exhausting but your watch parties are without a doubt the best. You're the real one wigg
Zero yelling out "Fukin dog turd" on the discord when they were picking POI's is the funniest thing ive ever heard
He didn’t say turd
As funny as that was im here for the sikezz zero beef those were some swings they both took my god
The best way for the teams to choose POI's will be to put everyone in a real life Octagon and Fight it out Royal Rumble style.
This is not that bad of an idea
On the plus side the games will be a lot more dynamic. Right now each games feels a bit “routine” until the last few zones. Teams make a lot of pathing decisions based on their knowledge of other teams and how they play out of a POI. That’s going to be a lot harder to remember in game, so at the very least there will be more chances for things to happen. The negative is that not all POIs are created equal. So imagine getting cliff side with 300k on the line.
Yeah this is like most changes. We get a big reaction initially, and then people end up accepting that it's not all bad.
They definitely need to balance the POIs. I wonder how they will handle LAN finals. What do you think about them dropping the extra points the top 10 teams get for winning the winners bracket? And instead they switch that to the order teams choose their POIs. For example, first team in winners bracket will get to pick their poi first instead of getting 10 pts? Just a random idea, but seems more fair than getting those 10 extra points that for the most part don't do much. I don't think a single team has won LAN finals even with those 10 extra pts going into it.
Anyways, 100 percent agree with you.
@@BigSuzpekt well this aged like blue label wine
Anytime I see Trev he’s doing something crazy, always love watching him, excited to see some new names becoming more prominent
16:47 that was wild 😂😂😂😂 "back to you again" 😂😂😂
The barometer south quote fucking split me in half 😂😂😂
Vanity getting 1st with 4 games played from lift is crazy
Keep scrims as random poi. However, the better you do in scrims should lead to a better poi choice # at lan. This would lead to higher quality scrims because teams would be fighting for the first pick at lan for their poi.
However scrims should rotate between regions so it’s more fair.
The vigi wing reference goes hard lmao shoutout Destiny 2
To answer wiggs question, how we can make it better:
Make more POIs named, and balance the number of loot spawns per POI
To the larger POIs with more loot, add double drop spots to allow for contests at big POIs. If you want a strong POI with plentiful loot there should be a risk of contest.
Double the height of the drop ship, or maybe just 50% higher. Either way allow more flexibility in how you can drop. Doesn't have to be cross map, but should be higher.
If they want this system, they cant have such an imbalance in loot spawns across POIs. That alone makes the system trash. If loot was more balanced people wouldnt care as much.
I think a slot system is probably the best way. So the bigger POI will have 2 slots making it a contest. It should free up some of the better POI's hopefully or give a team the option to contest a better POI
One of the main reason they are doing this is to remove contesting and making games more unpredictable. Not saying i agree with it, i think contests are important and fun to watch.
vwing gigachad is a wild destiny 2 reference i think haha
I just wanna watch apex and destiny still finds me within the first minute 😭
Nahhhh, legend pick/bans is the draft we need.
Not the vigil wing gigachad
I just wanna watch apex and destiny still finds me within the first minute 😭
As a spectator it would be a good change (if they added the ability to choose location and contest after legend selection and maybe a bit higher of a drop ship)because it makes the gameplay more randomized like macro rotations for teams that have been doing the same thing for multiple years but it’s a hard line to balance that rng aspect while also being fair to all
Also Van placing 20th from lift is no surprise and just shows this sucks.
I am surprised the drops aren’t random to resemble straight shot.
They should map out zones for each poi so that you know what is “claimed” per say. Then take out redundant poi’s like barometer north and south. Then add in a system for the bottom 2-5 teams in the draft to be able to contest for a spot. having different sized zones for diffferent poi’s should lessen the imbalance in the looting. And the contest for bottom 2-5 teams should be enough for early game so it’s not absolute snooze fest. With that the draft system should be done with every game with priority on placements for last game ex. 1st place gets last pick or vice versa. first game tho can be completely randomized with a drawing system. pull a number out a hat kinda thing.
Here’s my theory; investors, executives, and developers are trying to improve and/or retain active concurrent player numbers by forcing the pros to set an example for how to jump/land at the beginning of a match. Because, they probably focus grouped players who quit playing the game and asked them what their biggest reason for quitting the game was, and getting eliminated at the beginning of a match was probably at the top of their list.
*This is nothing more than a THEORY*
this would make sense but casuals dont watch comp players they watch pub stompers like faide etc
Mon just sitting there hardscoping while he eats a nade was funny as fuck
idiotic to remove contests it’s supposed to be competitive if your shit why should you get a good POI? This change only hurts the better teams .
the answer to every single "well what if....?" question is simply git gud
The difference with KD joining the warriors is Hal has previous championships
I wonder which team is gonna see ballistic potential 🙃🥱
the Stephen A. Smith of apex is so accurate
My car audio was so high when that bell bong Taco Bell thing happened.
Why they implanted this system someone explain me
Lol was smoking a joint then started coughing me in my cone coz of that bang at 2:31 lol
So basically on top of zone rng there’s also poi rng, and you have to know macro for every poi.. wow what a great awesome change for competitive integrity where the best team wins!
How can they even make this fair for LAN? Theres 6 games a set and 20 teams so what if a team just get shafted and gets 15th pick every set? Even if the draft is per game some teams will still never get a pick before 5th. Or on the opposite end, what about a team getting high picks every set, then seeds high and gets high pick in finals?
literally all they have to do is allow contests and it’s perfect
how can they even enforce this rule to say people are not allowed to contest? Isn't that part of the game. What is going on here lol?
nice transition 50:45
THIS SOLVES NOTHING, while ruining the skilled component of dropping, reducing the strategic dynamics of drop flexibility mid-tournament, and takes away the development of exciting rivalries off drop. Those amazing moments with O7 and E8 would be completely impossible.
The obvious, easy solution remains just to make competing for drop spots more equitable by regulating, officially, which servers are played on during scrims (ie. an even distribution by region). We all heard Wigg's speech/ rant after Reject won, and he was absolutely correct.
I would love this change to ranked...take all the RP for the team, add it up. Then make the team with the lowest RP in the lobby get first pick of where they drop. Have it happen roughly the same time as champ select. Pred 3 stacks with number 3, 8, 12 pred for example with always have last pick. The plat team thrown in that lobby goes where they are comfortable...i would love this.
Preds will still ruin your dia life with a re45 while youre on gold prowler 😂
@@zeronin4696 as they should
So you’re the hard stuck plat player who just needs a bone thrown his way then?
@@upnext128nah, he’s hardstuck bronze.
@@upnext128 Nope, but contested drops has been the worst part of Battle Royale games for 8 years now, and I have a solution that would be sick.
I miss the good ol kraber patty days bruh I understand in proplay when you have just have very good players on pc that can just insta headshot it sucks a lot, but when that sniper use to be the best eye candy I would ever see when opening a care package, but now you get it and it just doesn’t do what it needs to do anymore and just really lost its value in play unless you use it to third party honestly
new system should be like one of the gamemode where you randomly landed with 1 other team in a poi.
If there gonna do that why don’t they just make every drop have some same tier loot
I want Trevs team to make pro league so badly!
100t would have me bricked if they came back not normally biased except for them
Trev is really good been saying this for time now
For Matchpoint they could go back to 1 ship for all
@Trevstacks is a monster dont let that guy get any sniper at all
"The teams that are good off spawn " the better teams. Crutching lesser teams is silly
For POI you get teams to decide best to worst POIs (20per map) and then you flip it and put worst POI for current #1 team and best POI to #20 team for highest chance of comeback and be more competitive. For first game of any tournament teams get random POI
IMO that would be best way to change it if they want no contest
bring back the kraber headshot kills
Why does waltzy look like he’s streaming from a gym 😅
Vigilance Wing is a pulse rifle in destiny lol
GOOD CHANGE. For years teams with large followings have had a monopoly on good POIs.
Wanna land at a good poi? Good luck with your streaming career contesting TSM LG DZ Xset.
contesting those teams would give you more exposure even if you die 20th every match. nobodys gonna watch a team dying in 17th on rotate from dome every game at least people would watch a contest
@mack9023 they won't be landing dome everygame now with this rule. And there still will be contest. Baro north and baro south will fight most likely and same with checkpoint.
@@mack9023 Red Rams were forgotten almost immediately, this point is so null lmao
26:26 gen got that med off but legit died as fast as a ring damage tick
"controversial" that's a funny way to say "bad"
Not a fan of this change at all
Plus 100T picking up DZSM? 👁️👁️
I See a bigger org pickup Trev in the future
The devs are on cocaine... Wtf are they doing?
So then what if multiple teams want the same spots ?
yanya is my goat hoping the best for his team
i hope they never make that change lmao that is so trash i find it crazy someone thought it was a good idea
@23:30, NRG? maybe...
this is the worst thing they've done.
as a spectator esport this change is HORRIBLE you can claim game quality all you want but i think the game quality at big tourneys always turns out fine anyway and multiple playstyles already worked but no contests is so fucked all time great moments in apex are contests
i promise you there is NO other top esport in the world that deals with this level of regular game altering
VAN had most points from last pick POI
I thought they had backed up with this stupid change, let's see how many rage quits we got. 😂
I've NEVER heard it called "Lift" before....that is the weakest excuse for a POI I've ever seen! 🤣
Lov wigg
Is that a Christmas tree?
Idk why its not just a random poi every game sheesh
"WHAT THE FUKIN 🐈"
No contests massive L imo. Too stereographic: less room for creativity to gather points and jumpmaster skills become irrelevant.
A lot of the POIs are garbage. Some of the good ones are now bad because they were split like lava siphon and baro
They should replace mirage with south baro
This change is the dumbest thing apex has ever done 😵💫
This new POI system is making me not wanna watch lan and just wait for the apex final ring comp cos this is boring.. no action till ring 2 borinnnnnnnng
contesting is one of the most fun things to watch at lan now i have to wait 3 minutes before a fight zzzzzzzz boring as fuck and now someones stuck on a shit 3 pill 1 building poi every game instead of late dropping like NAVI did in lan scrims or just straight contesting. NRG's car heist from optic in algs champs last year gatekeeping an early matchpoint optic win also would not be possible with this new system, overall this shit sucks and watching this draft scrim the last two days has been boring as fuck
the only teams this format helps are those that are too pussy to contest a good team for a poi. want to land lava siphon? work on your contest and slam whoevers dropping there so hard they have to consider dropping elsewhere. otherwise you dont deserve to land there
31:29 😂😂😂
why change this??? there was nothing wrong with the old system, contesting made the beginning of the games interesting.. not anymore
Apex has the best LAN in its history, decides to ruin and kill the game with this drop ship shit
they keep dumbing down the game for no reason...
ImperialHalal
i think this is just a dumb change talk about changing the game jeeez what happend to it being a battle royal i say let them all go where they want no claiming poi
All apex players should bully respawn into not implementing this change, the same way helldiver's players bullied Sony
another huge buff for dz 😂 they own two pois on each map
Worst change in the history of Apex lmao
How has optic been doing ?
Weren’t they all dropped and the org left apex?
@@boldnotbald3705yes im guessing either meant the team without the org or hes trolling.
Id hope theyd change this back when the pros inevitable complain
Gotta be one of the dumbest implementations in apex😅
:D
This new landing system is trash
First