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She-Hulk's comic book origin is pretty straightforward. Jennifer Walters was shot and was given an emergency blood transfusion from her cousin Bruce Banner, aka the Incredible Hulk! Her real world origin, however, probably isn't as exciting. How does the Incredible Hulk tv series and aggressive trademark protection factor into Marvel hastily creating a female version of the Jade Giant? Let's find out!
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I'm super confused why there are so many comments telling me to make today's video longer. I told the whole story from start to finish. I can't just make it longer!
Yeah what else is their to say about Jennifer?
Idk maybe that want jokes, 2 hulks walk onto a hellicarier
Otis McNutt She's a layer :)
GeekVoid lawyer*
Clearly Scott, the audience wants you to go back in time and change her origin so it can be super complicated. Luckily Christopher Loyd is still alive, so I suggest starting with him.
I would think it was silly that she came out of a copyright issue, except I really like She-Hulk. I never saw the TV series, but I would love to see a She-Hulk series or movie.
The real origins videos are some of my favorite, so the idea of them having their owns series sounds fantastic. Keep up the good work :)
Damn, I already knew this when I googled her. You make the information more entertaining to absorb. Maybe I should only watch ur channel for comic book related things I wanna know.
Katekyo504 I'm biased here, but I agree! Haha
We need a she-hulk movie
And also a Squirrel Girl movie
Informative, quick and interesting. I like what you do and how you do it.
I'd be happy if you did many more of these as a standalone series.
Great job! As always, thanks for finding out and teaching us stuff we probably didn't even know we would want to know!
Holycrap, the real origins intro was freaking awesome.
"Would you believe She-Hulk's origin was kinda stupid?"
Yes, yes I would.
Joshua Pearce Because comics.
Yes... Real Origins can stand on it's own. Some possible future topics: The Elongated Man, Zauriel the Angel.
Also, do you think that the reason Simon Williams, AKA Wonder Man, is rarely used because DC has Wonder Woman and there is some sort of worry there'd be confusion? or that because there is a Wonder Woman in DC and Wonder Man in Marvel, it keeps the companies thinking about the possibility a XXX-Man will also get a XXX-Woman counter part some point in the future?
Benjamin Abruzzo I definitely remember reading about the Wonder Woman/Wonder Man thing before. I just can't remember where. From my (very faulty) memory, I remember reading that there was supposed to be some kind of truce where if one publisher had XXX-Man, then the other couldn't make XXX-Woman, but that was never really upheld. Or it was only upheld by one publisher while the other went and got trademarks on everything. Again, I could absolutely be remembering this 100% incorrectly. I need to find where I read that...
Benjamin Abruzzo From what I remember, when Marvel created Wonder Man, they got sued by DC for copyright issues since the character's name and powers were too close to that of Wonder Woman. So Marvel killed him off and discontinued the series. Then later, after Marvel had created Power Man (Luke Cage), DC then created Power Girl. So Stan Lee went "Fuck it, bring Wonder Man back."
Benjamin Abruzzo Also, I want to see the adventures of XXX-Man and XXX-Woman now.
Andre Betita Two things:
1) I forgot about Power Man and Power Girl.
And
2) Ha! I see what you did there.
Andre Betita Yes! That's the story I remember reading about. Thank you!
It makes perfect sense really, The Six Million Dollar Man show introduced the Bionic Woman who the original creator hadn't made, so the proceeds from her spin off show were completely devoured by the studio instead of being split with the original creator, Marvel saw them do this, got worried and then made She-Hulk.
RaithSienar Basically.
I vaguely remember a She-Hulk movie in the works back in the day. Sly Stallone's ex-wife Brigitte Nielsen was attached to it.
This, of course, was when we thought Terry Gilliam was going to direct Watchmen and James Cameron was going to make Spider-Man.
Oh, the paths not taken...
starting to love She Hulk!
Would have liked it to be a longer video though (a little bit longer)
Love them as a stand-alone, Scott. Keep up the great work.
YES! Please make more real origin videos, it's always interesting to see what caused/inspired the creation of different characters
Dude you are definitely one of the best comic book youtubers.
Keep up the great work!
I like the idea of this being it's own series, there's a lot of characters that would be interesting to know more of. Keep up the good work! ^^
I remember watching The Incredible Hulk reruns when I was about 10 or 11-I remember that I actually wished THEN that David (Bruce) would happen upon a woman with the same
Hulk-traits. And I had no clue at that point that there even was a She-Hulk.
Dude Scott she hulk has been my favorite character for like EVER!! Thank you so much for telling me how and why she was made even if it was short! I really love the Chanel keep up the good work!
Scott we love all your videos, this Real Origins series is definitely something that I know most of your community(including me) would love to see.
I find comic production super interesting, so I'm all for Real Origins being its own series. There are lots of characters that could make for interesting Real Origins videos that you might not get to talk about in the main show.
I've watched many, many, of your videos; and I really like your style. I hope to see a "Real Origins" series as a mainstay of the channel. I agree with several other commenters that it would be great to see you delve a little further into it and make longer episodes. I understand that you have a full schedule, so I'm not complaining. I just want to encourage you to go for it since you obviously love the subject matter and know how to deliver it.
Thanks for spreading the knowledge and fun of comics!
I suggest Donna Troy for a future one. Boy howdy is her origin convoluted!
I don't know if this got brought up here, but there was a She-Hulk appearance on a Benny Hill skit - a groped woman got fed up, hilarity ensues, yadda. At one time, I'd heard that worry over this had started the trademark issues, but it was wrong--Benny's skit came after the comic. I could see how it could be confusing, since in the USA, we typically saw Benny's stuff a few years after the UK.
Trivia : It was just a comic book mistake, but worth noting : When Marvel concluded Heroes Reborn/Return, She-Hulk was among the heroes going back to 616, even being teased by Spidey about their memories of their old lives not coming back immediately, asking her about their romance and kids together. Problem - that She-Hulk was from the world Franklin Richards created, because the 616 one never went there as part of the sacrifice to stop Onslaught.
I really like the idea of this new show and im looking forward to more episodes. Keep up the crear work :)
great idea for a show and really nice intro. keep the good work Scott 👍
You should totally do more of theses! :)
Many years later there WAS going to be a She-Hulk movie but I don't remember when exactly. It was gonna star Brigitte Nielsen (aka Ivan Drago's wife in Rocky IV) in the title role as She-Hulk and who also played another comic-book character, Red Sonja back in the mid 80's.
What is this? She-Hulk week?! Awesome!
I think its a good idea to have "real origins" be a solo segment on the channel. Some of these (such as this one) can be pretty short so it would be good to just do them on the side and whenever you have the time.
Just finished watching a video series by SF Debris about Marvel Comics' run-ins with bankruptcy and one story stuck in my mind:
Jack Kirby was upset about Marvel's 1950s version of Captain America, so he created Fighting American, which wasn't popular with Marvel. Later Rob Liefeld was supposed to do a 12 issue mini-series of Captain America for Marvel, but was fired from the title, so he tried to buy the rights to Jack Kirby's Fighting American and was denied. Liefeld later created Agent America and designed it to look like Captain America. Both Marvel and Kirby's co-creator of Fighting American, Joe Simon, sued and a list of restrictions on were imposed on Liefeld, including Agent America could never toss his shield.
That was a cool animation with the "real origins" thing. Did you make it?
He said in the Real Origins of Fantastic four video, that he made that a long time ago, but never had a chance to use it until now. So yes, he did make it.
Kenneth Christian Agustin I made it for the old REAL origins videos, but I lost the file and had to remake the other day it with newer visuals, animations, and music.
I'd love for this to become a show of its own! i thought it'd be the one your friend(?) was making at first...
I really likes it but could be a bit longer (no more than 5 minutes) ...... oh and first :)
I'm a big believer in making a video only as long as it needs to be instead of trying to reach a certain length of time. With this story, there really isn't anything else I could've added to make it longer.
***** Neither the Patreon or the Subscribe button work on this video. :p
GeekVoid I agree, actually I don't even know that much about she-hulk. I would love for more videos on her
20 hours ago?????
***** Very good concept. Definitely deserves its own show. About She-Hulk, I would have loved to have seen her in the live action series. Maybe the rumor came from the episode that featured a previous victim of gamma irradiation. He was tall and lanky instead of buff like the Hulk. One of my all time favorite episodes. :)
I liked this, as well as the whole "real origin"concept.
As far as a female hulk in the TV series, it would have been nice to have another character, allowing the plot to broaden a bit. 80% off the shows were basically:
1) David ("Bruce" was a "gay" name dontcha know) Banner finds a new town to be anonymous in
2) fate leads him to have to help someone in the town
3) guy hunting Hulk/David almost catches him
4) David becomes the Hulk for 3 minutes to finish his fated mission and get away
,,, sort of like The Fugitive, but with more green.
i think its a good idea to make REAL origins a separate show. You have pointed out several times that it gets pretty hard to make tie in videos that fit with that weeks comic misconceptions and this would help you be more flexible. I also think REAL Origins are fun videos because i like seeing what go on behind the scenes.
itisme DIO I love the behind the scenes of the industry so much!
Very interesting :) Great video as always Scott! Real origins definitely works as its own show :D
jakzilla95 Thanks!
I love when you talk about Real Origins... so, as a new section sounds great for me.
Personally, I am a BIG FAN of the "She-Hulk" and I would LOVE to see her on TV. In fact, I remember seeing a sketch from "The Benny Hill Show" where a woman was so harassed that she turned into the "She-Hulk" and took on the harassers. Anyway, I would also LOVE to see a female bodybuilder play the "She-Hulk," because after all, Lou Ferrigno played "The Incredible Hulk" on TV in the past.
this is a great video bro, I definitely think this can do as a stand alone series my friend
Maybe you should talk about what Nick Fury said to Thor to make him unable to weird his hammer again. Lots of people are curious. Please talk about it!!
This video got me thinking, could a blood transfusion theoretically really give a person the same power as another person? Like Rex getting Jack's immortality in Torchwood Miracle Days and Jennifer getting powers and such from Bruce. And, if Bruce were to somehow have a child, would that child inherit his powers like Barry Allen's and Wally West's children? Bruce gets his abilities as the Hulk from Gamma Rays causing them, and those are not technically bonded to DNA naturally, so that got me asking that. Sorry if I make no sense, by the way, just a thought and such, and thought you would enjoy thinking about if it could make sense outta comics
I actually enjoy having this show separate, it gives the main show the ability to focus on other topics while this show deals with a simple subject, which I bet I'll enjoy watching just as much as the main show. I APPROVE OF THIS GREAT IDEEEAAA
Heya Scott! still loving the videos that you put out, and how approachable and fun you make super hero comics! I have a fun question for you: do you have any favorite creative uses of a super power? One of my favorites is Scott Lang basically using Pym particals to shrink his stomach to get out of a hacking test in the new Antman comics. Just curious! Keep up the wonderful videos!
Honestly this is one of, if not *the*, most professionel shows on RUclips. I still can't believe this isn't a huge multiple million subscribtions channel. Just keep going, man, 'cause I'll sure as hell will be watching.
Also, can I just ask, is this your job or do you also have another job besides this?
I like the origins, while I did know She-hulk had a blood transfusion it was interesting to see that just being a copyright was what birthed her into creation.
It wasn't silly or dumb, it was a brilliant move on Marvel's part. Didn't matter whether or not Universal would try and grab that for their properties then, point is, now She Hulk is available for their movies if Marvel decides to finally debut her with out a problem. Unlike Hulk, she's up for grabs to put wherever they like. So it was great of them to think in the future. Any company who thinks like that is a success and here we are 40 years later annnd, well let's just say Marvel is doing alright, don't you think? lol
"Would you believe, it was something kinda-dumb?" Something kinda dumb when it comes to comic characters? Nooooooo, I don't believe you!
Hey Scott, maybe you should do two origins instead of one in a video. This video seemed short but you did cover everything about She hulks origin.
Kenneth Johnson has officially confirmed in a documentary that he had plans for a She-Hulk spin-off series, with Dr Banner's sister Ellen Banner as the She-Hulk. However CBS unceremoniously canceled the Incredible Hulk series even though ratings were still doing well. In the early 90s they tried again. with Mitzi Kapture as Jennifer Walters and Gabrielle Reece as the She-Hulk. But once again, CBS pulled the plug because they were uncertain if Mitzi Kapture would be able to carry the series, even though she later was the star of the crime drama, "Silk Stalkings."
This video was great! I like the real-world implications and stories behind comic characters.
Scott remember when you say that she hulk is your favorite marvel characters in the real origin she hulk well she hulk is also one of my favorite marvel characters
Keep doing the real origin videos, I liked this one
Do a origins video of red she hulk
I really liked your real origin video, I think you should keep uploading videos like that
Yes! That's it NerdSync! Bring me more of my lovley She-Hulk!
I do also like the idea of the "Real Origins" as a standalone.
Cake Doctor If I could, I would do a She-Hulk episode frequently. She's great!
That would could be awesome!
Though other superheroes are important aswell I guess.
I love Jenifer Walters. She is a great lawyer. Marvel comic book miniseries called Law where it is Defense Attorney Jenifer Walters v/s Public Prosecutor Matt Murdock, where Howard the Duck and Mark Specter are the Detectives would be great.
I think that the real origins being its own little series is a great idea. I've never seen anyone do anything like it before so it's very interesting
love these! please make more real origins!
This can definitely stand on it's own. Keep at it, Scott!
She-Hulk needs her own show
LOVED THAT BOOK. another favorite is the"Physics of Superheroes" and later Supervillians. both are a bit dated but fun. and keep it up on the origins videos
Norman Miller I've got the Physics of Superheroes on the shelf in the background! Haha
***** have you read the super villian one?
Norman Miller I have not. Physics is one of my weakest subjects. I'm still working my way through the hero one.
i listenED to the audible versions . as for the Superman Spy Book, I am waiting to try the BATMAN ONE.
To be fair She-Hulk is not a complete Clone of Bruce Banner. She is a Lawyer, not a Scientist 👩🔬 on the run and sometimes we need a wacky Character in Comics
You should do these videos alone they are great and hopefully you will be able to put out more videos a week and make your channel greater than it already is!!!
The marvel wiki mentions that there was a skit in the Benny Hill Show featuring a female Hulk, and that prompted Marvel to create the actual character. Why didn't you mention that in the video?
Anyway, you're doing a great job, keep it up! =)
Have you you done a Spider Woman origins story? I wish they would have brought She-Hulk to the TV series. Thanks for another great video.
leon thomas I'm planning on doing a REAL Origins Spider-Woman soon enough.
Iron patriot origins please
definitely need to be a bit longer, go into a bit more detail maybe? i feel all i learned from this was that she was made in a rush to get a copyright, and that she got her powers from bruce, i feel that the entire learning process for the character is sort of their origins, keep up the great work Scott!
Mark Bernard There really isn't much more detail to go into. That's the whole story. Haha
Really? Well.. Great video, I've always been curious about the more minor characters as well as the 2nd versions of characters like red hood and nightwing it would be awesome if you could do a video about the awesome sidekicks that go solo
It was great!
Loved the "real origins" intro. Loved the topics covered of Bruce banner giving a blood transfusion and how marvel jut used the excuse of getting the copyright first.
I Jokingly thought/hoped mopey would be involved haha
But...
I think it could be a bit longer, though. I was left wanting more info but in general I think it will work for its own show. Make more :) I'm excited for more real origins.
Payton Smith I don't know how it's possible that I could make it longer. I can't go back and rewrite history to make the story lengthier. I told the whole story from start to finish. There's really nothing else to say.
Yes, this should be a new series. How a character is created is interesting to me as a creator myself.
This was an amazing video, but like it seemed like you talked way too fast and maybe for the next "Real Origins" story you could slow down a bit?
I know that you talk pretty fast all the time, but this one seemed much faster than the others.
Oh and PS, I love these videos and outsmarted my friend on how the Fantastic Four because I watched your last Real Origins video. So thanks for that and please keep doing these.
Squidney Bean I don't think I talked any faster than I normally do. The teleprompter speed is always set at the same pace.
+NerdSync You got a teleprompter. Awesome.
And I think maybe, it's just the length of the video because it seemed like it ended wayy too soon. But don't get me wrong, I still love it and I completely understand that you can't make a story longer when there's nothing more to tell.
***** It didn't tag you ^
Stupid phone...
Could be a bit longer, but I always like the "Real Origin" episodes so I'm down with it being it's own series.
Hail Zeon Not sure how I could have made it longer. I told the full story. There's nothing else to add.
*****
True, though I think picking a super hero with such a short real origin story (I'm pretty sure this is the shortest one you've done) for the first episode kinda gives the vibe that all future episodes will be about this length, but I'm sure you'll give the time needed if future episodes require more detail and information.
The idea is to make a video last exactly as long as it needs to. Not a second more. Future videos might be longer, but they might also be shorter. The length of the story shouldn't matter so long as the story itself is interesting.
*****
Very true.
It is what it is
I remember buying the first few issues of She-Hulk off the stands and being disappointed. After creating her, it seemed so obvious in retrospect, but they didn't really do anything interesting with her, at least not in her initial run. Marvel's Captain Marvel character also seems to have gotten off to a bad start, and it took a while before he turned into a truly interesting character. Good stories or bad, though, they had to keep publishing the character to maintain rights and trademarks.
So, I guess this puts me in the creating characters for legal reasons is silly. Nobody reads comics for legal reasons (at least nobody that I can think of), so if you're going to create a character, it should be for artistic (or at least entertaining) reasons. Lee and Buscema's work on She-Hulk also seems to shed light on Stan's relationship with his artists, especially with Kirby and Ditko in the early 60s, when they were busy creating so many new characters. The Marvel style of plot-art-script allowed Stan to "write" more comics than if he were doing full scripts before the art, because it moved some of the character creation and story development to the artist. As it turned out artists like Kirby and Ditko were good at coming up with their own ideas, instead of relying on Stan for that. Thus, it seems logical that Kirby and Ditko had a lot to do with the creation and development of all the characters that Stan supposedly created. Ditko rightly deserves a co-creator credit for Spider-Man and Doctor Strange. Kirby deserves co-creator credit for the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and the others that he contributed to.
John Buscema is a good artist, but he's no idea man like Kirby and Ditko. Thus, She-Hulk's creation relied largely on Stan Lee's own ideas, with little more than the art created by Buscema. Suffice to say, Stan is not much of an original thinker, and his ideas are largely evolutionary or mechanical, building very much on what has gone on before, and thus very much hit-or-miss.
hey scott your videos are amazingly great can you please do a video about your action figures that you have?
Love ya man, love your videos. You are awesome!
kittensinafryingpan And I love you!
I'm just happy they exist
Addtionally, the female counterpart idea for the Hulk and other characters came from the success of "The Bionic Woman", a female counterpart and spin-off of "The Six Million Dollars Man"
***** I've heard this before, but I haven't been able to find a source for it.
Awesome video, I think the real origin things are a good idea :3
I find it humorous that She-Hulk, who was created for legal reasons, is a lawyer.
Like the stand alone video! Definitely a hit in my book.
NerdSync. if i`m not mistaken (probably i am), Bigitte Nielsen was goin to play a live action version of She-Hulk.
real origins works on its own. great vid, very interesting!!
And YES more real origins PLEASE!
Wow, didn't know that. I always thought that she hulk (as many other characters) was just meant to appeal female readers into comics, but Marvel actually being all "mine, mine!" is really interesting. Great vid! Also I think this could be a seperate show from Comic misconceptions, so that you can tackle other cbaracters
There was an episode on THI were David meets another scientist with brain cancer,gives her a blood transfusion. She was cured (I guess) but no She-Hulk.
I like this show, I like your other shows, your doin good work Scott, your doin good work.
Malicious Hero Thank you!
So keen and still waiting for a Shulk solo series after Secret Wars and all is over. Gotta stick to A-Force for now!
She-Hulk never would have worked in that show. The Incredible Hulk TV series was pretty one note. I don't think they would have been thinking in that direction.
i really like this series and it'd be great if you kept it going so it can be added to your collection of other fantastic series
The funniest thing happened when i first watched the hulk TV show. The night before i watched the avengers at cinemas and saw how the hulk was super muscley and huge. I woke up at around 5 - 6am in the morning accidentally to see my dad watching the hulk TV show. I watched for another 5 mins before Bruce became the hulk. I was deeply surprised to see a man in a muscle suit painted green. I laughed for minutes straight just seeing how much the industry has come since then. That was 3 yrs ago. Comment how you guys found out/first watched the hulk tv show.
I frankly don't mind where characters originate, as long as they are good. I love She Hulk in the Comics. Not so much in her show. (Too Hateful and Negative.)
She-Hulk seems more and more interesting ; ) Maybe it's just the character I need to get into comics ; )?
***** as always, great vid scott i was wondering if you wanted me to make a bumper for your real origins show?
Yes! Real origins separate. Loves it! Do that! Yes, please! Also, no do not make videos longer......just so that they are longer. Just put in the info that is needed and leave it at that. Meow hates how other channels just makes videos longer by putting in dumb things that are unrelated to the actual subject. Thanks! Keep up the good work!
Great video! (and I would like it as a series)
She-Hulk is my 5th favorite comic book character.
this was interesting but too short. I wish you had done an episode with all characters that were created to secure a trademark or something like that. All characters created because of juridical reasons
Love this as a stand alone show, I love books about the "real origins" of characters, if you're interested in more marvel behind the scenes and things I would suggest reading "Five Fabulous Decades of The world's greatest comics, Marvel" It is from the mid 90's so some info may be slightly outdated but it is incredibly interesting, also next real origins should be the fantastic four, this book basically writes that episode by itself. thanks.
This is a good idea to make standalone, though I agree with previous comments, it could be longer for future episodes.
Also, regarding characters getting created for stupid reasons, I mean, it's kinda a good-with-the-bad situation. You sometimes get She-Hulk, who rocks and is at times better than the proper Hulk, and other times you get Mar-vell, which was just... just awful. Captain Marvel is Billy Batson. Sorry Kree fans, if there are any, but that's that. Of course, that said, I love Carol Danvers so even the dumbest clouds have a silver lining.
Ronda Rousey for She Hulk in the MCU
Legit Fantomas She's nowhere near big enough...
Legit Fantomas I'd like to see Beth Phoenix get the role.
+Frankenstein077 who cares
Legit Fantomas Chyna already played She-Hulk....
ChromeFamily Yes. And it was quite a performance.
I'm happy they made that character
DEADPOOL ROXX Same here!