Behringer MS1 vs Roland SH101 Monosynths Compared
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- We compared the new Behringer MS-1 with a vintage Roland SH-101. The Behringer has a faster LFO and a triangle waveform that the SH-101 doesn't have. What differences do you notice between the two?
The MS-1 is a single oscillator monophonic synth that is great for basslines and leads. Combining multiple waveforms and the sub-oscillator give the MS-1 a way thicker sound than most single oscillator synths. The built in sequencer is easy to program and since it has trigger and cv/gate inputs it works well with modulars and semi-modulars, the keyboard and sequencer also output cv/gate.
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As an ex Roland UK senior engineer, I know owners of original SH-101s are going to be upset that this exists, and equipped with MIDI too!
tubbutec SH1oh1 on mine wicked upgrade best of both.
No, we're not.
Still the Roland sounds better, the behringer sounds harsh with less weight
@@denniswaakopreijers115 The SH-101 was my very first pro synth closely followed by an MC-202. I'm relieved that Behringer has not captured the spirit of these Roland classics.
@@denniswaakopreijers115 I had a "real" SH-101 for many years, and my new MS-1 is superior to it in just about every way.
It's beautiful to see how they took a classic and updated its features for the new age. They're both beautiful pieces.
External audio, the various CV/Gate combos, and the FM mod make the MS-1 a winner.
So fun to play with.
I can clearly hear that the SH-101 sounds 1.7 inches (4.4mm) deeper than the MS-1.
1.7 inches is actually 43.18mm. 😉
That deepness is probably coming from the age of the SH-101. In a few decades, the MS-01's will sound a tad deeper as well.
Ryan Moran that’s a very good point😊
@@djdrwatson Thank You!!!
Everyone knows girth is more important ;)
i was very worried that I mixed them up, but i am now convinced they are exactly the same except that I can actually afford the behringer ms1, only difference is i kinda like the name of the roland sh101 bettter. thanks for making a video on the internet for this
owned red and grey roland sh-101 i had wonderful time with them , they were in company of yomox x base ,korg ms 2000b and now i am gona buy blue ms1.it is all about fun and joy ,every one can choose for himself.
People saying the MS-1 sounds "brighter"...it might be because the filter has slightly more range...if the knob was adjusted down a little bit to cover the same frequency slope. that would be more accurate way of comparing. Need a frequency analyzer to really tell.
In my opinion, even if the filter is somewhat different, there's no way you would be able to tell the difference in a mix. Behringer is 95% of the way there and less than 1/3 the price. Better sequencer too. Pretty easy choice if you ask me.
It does seem like the filter opens further on the MS-1, this is most obvious on the noise comparison.
That sounds like a bit of a plus for the MS-1.
Not sure about better sequencer. It seems to be a little too limited with 32 steps compared to 100 steps on the original.
@@ConwayBob Agreed that way you can match the sh and go beyond.
@@dustcombo It's probably because there weren't many phrase samplers/loopers widely used in the early 80's, especially live situations. Where-as today, you're probably using a looper like the Boss RC202 or RC10R for example, live, and software at home and for recording.
That's my guess, anyway.
One thing almost for sure. There is no way I'm throwing $1000+ on an SH-101 while this MS exists.
Synth Shoot your comment really cuts through the mix
I'm pickin' up what yer puttin' down.
@@piercemcintyre1327 😂
@@piercemcintyre1327 lol :)
I sold my sh101 years ago for a ton of money so when Behringer bought this out I got one right away I had a Roland 303 one time and sold that for 2 grand
I'm actually hearing more bass from the MS-1! And I'm rocking some serious headphones for this.
Bought my SH-101 for £75 in mid-90s. Ridiculous price now
yea dont worth the price , even for synth hypester
I had an SH09 in the mid 80s ...also going for silly money.
*EDIT* NO!!
The SH101 is currently going for over a grand on ebay ...fuuuck off!!
Damn that’s close. At times the MS1 sounded more weighty (Osc wave test).. but on range sweep the SH sounded “better”.
Filter test ... the Roland has the win.
Either way dollars to donuts blind test nobody would be able to tell the difference
I think that MS1 sounds actually better :) A it more power in bass spectrum, noise is brighter... And audio rate LFO is cool !
Thank - you for the Upload 🎶😎🎶
SH-101 sounds amazing. MS-1 sounds
amazing reviews. Now, start make music!
I actually like the VST version made by TAL more than either of these... it has a much smoother richer low end. Both of these have so much buzz in the oscillators no matter what you do. It makes me wonder how they used it in old songs where they actually make it sound smooth... the filter way down and tons of compression?
The SH-101 feels like an old pair of jeans while the MS-1 feels like a new pair of jeans. Both are the same pair of jeans. One seems more “broken in” that’s all.
Yep, that old pair of jeans has been worn for 30 years and stil ok, but new pair busted after 1-2 seasons)
Yeah ok. Whatever you say. Have fun with your cheap toy.
Many vintage synths were cheap toys in their day. Especially Roland. That’s how they got into the hands of the musicians who made them iconic. Now you are paying a premium on something where 90% of the value is in its reputation and usage by talented musicians. broken down to what it physically is, it’s a cheap toy shrouded in myth and nostalgia, but still a cheap toy. Enjoy your expensive cheap toy.
@@hunterguntermunterTo put that further into perspective, Wendy Carlos considered the original Minimoog to be a "cheap cash-grab". Sure, I guess, if you compare it to a hulking, house-priced modular system.
Thank you. This is a very good one on one comparison. The Behringer sounds close enough for me. Much better than I thought. The earlier shipments were not that good. But now I am convinced. I am going to get one. Do I need one? No; I already have the Boutique. Do I want one? Most definitely.
Is this the greatest comparison video ever made?
I wish Behringer made it grey too
they do
No, that would infringe copyrights.
The thumbs down here, are those pissed having spent silly money on he original ridiculous used values. I had an original I bought used in 1988 for £120.
Exactly this. Reading through the spikey and bitter comments from people who had either paid way over the odds for a used original or were worried about their 101's value plummeting is even more entertaining today than it was 3 years ago.
@@davespicer2143’m on the fence of buying a 101 restored w/ midi. From what I’ve gathered ~ sounds like the Beringers don’t have the best qa/qc. Still a tough decision 😅😅😂
Is the env gen on the ms1 different? Shorter decay/release time maybe. Sh101 sounds a bit rubbery, which is good. Or is it just the settings
How does the keybed compare to the 101 from the ms1
a spoon sounds amazing with the right person using it.
zaphod - spoons is an art.
Amazing tho? Really
More like amazing to the right person listening to it
Seems decent,thinking about it but wana know if the reports of midi in&out thru din ports doesn't function on the production units before i buy are true,that would be a deal breaker
Pretty damn close
But can it create dawless ambient jams
Aha this is the synth version of "does it djent? "
I like the MS 1 better. (ducks and runs away).
For the price it sounds close enough. If you can not or do not want to spend 1k+ on the original or a more premium option, this one might just do the trick.
I had another SH101 and sold it for the ms1....
...very interesting!
I actually like the MS-1 more....
totally hate behringer marketing strategy but this thing sound good, damn :D
to my ear, only notable difference (except obvious features) is linear (ms) vs exponential (sh) envelope
Is there much difference from one Roland SH101 vs another? Who has two? ;) Just curious on that.
There is not as big a difference between 101’s as there is 303’s and especially 909’s.
I can recognise the familiar sound of a 101 on a lot of 90’s releases and can dial them up on my 101 very quickly.
Noise transistor is different in each Sh101. Has to be carefully selected. The original "chip packages" have a huge spread. But are still better matched internally than earlier synths that needed matched transistors. Ms1 seems to have a slightly lower resonance but better bass compensation than sh101.
Ms1 is slightly less rubbery so more defined in sound. 3-4 capacitors and a resistor or 2 and Ms1 is much closer. Hurray Maffez
Sh101 pcb has no powerplane and only a 6bit resistor DAC for cv and that might explain a lot. Very cheaply designed synth compared to junos. Those choices made each sh101 special.
I dont like that Moog sequencer in the ms1 much. Too many 2 hand Shift combinations. At least it's not only 16 steps. With new coolaudio ba662 clones mk2 can be much improved
Any Black Friday discounts? I’m watching on eBay
Great video! I don't need it - but I'm buying an MS-1 anyway - too fun to resist!
They need to clon MC 202
Thank-you so much ！
why do you guys think Behringer didn't make their ms1 the same color as Roland's which is lovely!
Interesting I hear more of a clear difference on this video than loopops one.
nice video, thanks
its the little things ,its not about the money ive had mine for years and bought late in 2000 , think i paid like 450 maYBE less ,BUT NOT BAD FOR A CLASSIC ALANOLOGE ,one thing i always love about all the roland old stuff is there no fuss simplicity ,you dont get that with anything new there always so much ball ache complication ,something not right ,updates websites etc etc ,but you only paid x so no worries ..but ??
I could not hear any difference, maybe the problem is my headphones?
the MS1 sounds better, it actually sounds a little bit Moog-ish. it has that slight metallic tang in the upper frequencies that a Moog has. it's a bit deeper than the 101 as well. (are you sure they are in tune with each other?)
The bass lines around 4:40 sounded a bit warmer on the ms-1
Yeah because they lower end of the scale notes were only played on the MS. He didn't switch to the SH until the high notes.
One thing I noticed was the Mother-32 sequencer clone that Behringer has stuck in a lot of their recent synth modules. Two copycat products in one.
I hate that sequencer LOL, that was the main thing that kept me off this clone.
I am so glad the TD-3 is using the 303 sequencer.
Even a car or bicycle is a copycat .
Awesome vid!
Different noise profile is evident. The VCO is otherwise close enough to say it's spot on. The filter on the Behringer sounds more modern and aggressive, the 101 has a smoother top end and low end growl. It's almost there but not in the areas where the 101 matters to me personally. Also, simpler sequencer operation on the 101 and the classic autobend omission on the Behringer leaves it out for me.
Sleeping I didn’t pay even half of that for my 101 but we’re not comparing prices. Of course for most people the behringer will make more sense as a new buy but the classic still has an edge in sound.
@@autoy Whatever you wanna keep telling yourself
So it uses a real cem3340 rev G?
Is better compare a 35 years ms-1 for check if sound same at sh101, new analog sound more clean than old... But if we don't made a time machine we can't...
The MS-1 rules!!!!!!! It's also the Minibrute killer!
Behringer's MS-1 is superior. Why? pricepoint is excellent, improved pots, more features, PCB circuit quality, warranty, and did I say price ? ! However I'd suggest spending a little more and getting the Deepmind !
So literally one of the reason's to get an Sh101 is the fantastic exponential envelope, yet i don't hear it at sll in the MS 1 so it's a bit of a fail for me. I'd rather save & get an original
Behringer fanboy confirmation bias is out of control in these comments. The SH-101 sounds 1000 times better than the MS-1/101 when comparing the two in front of you as opposed to listening to RUclips videos. The MS-1 is a decent synth in its own right for $400 and certainly capable of producing cool sounds. If you put the Behringer up against the Roland there is no comparison. If your ears can't hear the difference, than it probably doesn't matter what synth you use. For those of us who grew up in the 80's and 90's using the SH-101 and listening to endless records made with them, we immediately recognize the sound of one and can detect the imitation. It's not musical snobbery, it's simply having an ear that hears subtle differences in tone that make a world of difference in the music we make and listen to.
thanks, you put it in perspective; subtle differences can make big differences in the music.. not the other way round "you won´t notice in a mix". If you have a gorgeous magical sounding synth with 100% sound, you want to put it on a pedestal in the mix :)
Alternatively Roland's own SH01a
I wonder if they cloned the noise?
I'm reading the comments while playing this and can't tell which one is which..
You're not going to hear the difference clearly listening to cherry picked comparisons of sounds and arpeggios. These guys are trying to sell you the Behringer and not the Roland, so it's in their best interest to present the MS-1 in the best light and make sure it sounds as close as possible to the SH-101. Keep that in mind.
the self-oscillating resonance is more musical on the sh101. but still ms01 is a incredible bargain
Why don't Roland just bring this out again but not in Boutique
the MS-1 sounds god - its a shame that its a little louder than the SH inthis but hats prob that its full volume has a slightly higher voltage comng out of it
I own TB-03, and all I can say I still like TB-303 better as his sound is more glue like when it have slides, but TB-03 got very sharp sound. Same here, I hear ms1 over saturated, so I better prefer SH101 + it is authentic sound of 80's what ms1 fail to repeat.
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hello friend amazing video
I have a question, what is the difference between the behringer ms-101 and the ms-1-bk or are they the same, is that I see that in some behringer it comes out like this
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The Behringer version is called the MS-1, it comes in three colors black, blue and red. The -BK is just the black version, -BU and -RD are the blue and red ones. The Behringer might of originally been called MS-101 and then the name was changed to MS-1.
@@PerfectCircuit thanks for the info
I've been looking at the MS-1 and basically can't decide if I like the red or black better. The black one here looks sexy AF!
I'm one of those weirdos who likes a lot of the colorful synths so MS-1 and TD-3 are both blue for me. Especially since not every place has the non-black at a price premium.
@@SSquirrel1976 The black does look pretty sick IMHO, I got a red one and it is pretty rad too :)
Now that most places have them at the same price, being able to pick a favorite wo worrying about a price premium is nice
I got a good Black Friday deal on a black one! Interestingly the picture still showed the original MS-101 branding on it. I wonder if it will came as an MS-1 or MS-101.
Why does the colours alter the sounds
The Envelopes are better on the Roland but not $1000 better. Honestly if you can afford it grab a Beh 2600.
You clearly need them both.
when switching range i hear that MS1 is clicking, it's annoying, on the original there no artifacts when you make transitions in ranges
time stamp please!
Aaargh huge difference!!! SH is like fine wine, MS like grape juice and vodka.
age / surface mount vs. thru hole / and parameter range is all you’re hearing. the ms also has a portamento/glide/slide bug...
i’ll wait for the mkii
gunsandsynths nobody can “hear thru-hole”. That’s preposterous.
David Caudill go listen to squarepusher who used the SH quite a bit. there's a magic that unit had that this clone just doesn't replicate
I chose the MS-1 because the SH-101 is just too damn fragile and expensive to have sex with. I can afford to be rough with the MS-1 in the sheets.
I know I am a little late to the game here, but looking at the button layout, especially left of the keyboard is there a safe assumption that this is the same unit, produced in China and OEM'ed to several companies? Not saying anything bad about production in China (i-telephones are made there for g-sake), but this looks like a re-brand by two different companies.....
well one was made this year and the other was manufactured in the 80's
I wish the MS-1 would have been fully analog with no midi (or at least a no midi all analog control of parameters version), and with the same portamento functionality as the original.
Dead on
The Sh101 has been on so many records, ppl know the sound.... I've got the model d & deepmind12 but I won't be selling my sh101 for the ms... It has a more aggressive sound .... Just my opinion
The sh101 sounded thin to my ears. i own both BTW.
so whats your conclusion?
MS-1 guys...
best
When all the Waveforms hit at 221 there is a noticeable lack of low end in the MS-1. The low end is what the 101 is famous for. BUT, it is a good bit more dough, depends if this matters to you or not I guess. For me the 101 wins.
anyone expecting kernkraft
ms1 almost sounds a little fatter tbh, theres definitely more bass
Get the f outta here. "sounds fatter." "More bass." How much is Behringer paying you?
I often wonder if some synth hacker madman will find a way to mod the MS-1 to Darken the Tone a bit, and stop all these comparison videos forever on... There is a slight bright tone difference between the 2. That I bet a simple Mod would fix to darken things up a bit. I wait for this day! Till then I will keep my vintage Sh-09. For it sounds better than the both of them. Minus the Sequencer : )
You know what two things don’t sound the same? These two synths in this video.
i agree, and thats what i find funny about these clone synths, theyre releasing heaps of synths with almost the same features but without even really sounding all that faithful to the originals. But they must be selling well cos they keep making them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Think age can be a factor here
@@motoboy6666 Unless filters are like wine and get better with age, I don't think age is big part of the difference in sound in this case. I can clearly hear that the SH is far more wet and fat. The MS has some fatness but it's more wooly than warm.
These comparisons have no meaning. Even the closest clone you can imagine can't be compared to a 40 years old original device, all components are aging. Even the original SH101 like the MS-20 or any other synth was known to sound differently from one series to another. It is stupid to take such comparison as a precise and objective tool. You don't have a time machine to test the behringer clone against a SH101 that will be just go out of the factories in 1982...
So keep this in mind. All components are aging, so an original SH 101 from 1982/86 DON'T sound like a brand new one in 82/86... It even has been repaired, with components that are not the original ones.
Taking at face value such comparison is stupid. Scientifically this has no meaning. Perhaps the behringer is sounding nearest to the original machine than the old SH 101 used in this video. Never forget that point.
@@_EightySix Well its pretty objective, but to me the raw waveforms are pretty spot on. Noise is different, and its a big part of the 101 sound. Either than that, the ms-1 sounds a bit mer poliched/new, by a tad, again the 101 is an 35 year old synth. Saying that the synth are far from each other are pretty daft to me.
I noticed my SH 101 still works after 37 years. You might get 37 months out of a Behringer
I have Behringer neutron from January and some pots are already scratchy/noisy..
I’ll still have enough money left over to buy three more m-1’s even if it didn’t last three years, but in all honesty the transistors, potentiomètres and soldered circuit connections are what it comes down to
@@piercemcintyre1327 That s way I am considering to expand eurorack with the neutron as starter point..
stefanos kollias electrical lubricant can help clean your pots, they don’t just wear out that fast.
My Deepmind is still working strong after 1.5 years and some mild gigging.
one was created, one was copied.
I bought the one that was advertised in a comic book,
the guy was playing it whilst on rollerskates (not rollerblades)
I got the red one at Morey's music before sublime burnt it down, it cost 289.00 plust tax.
It came with an awesome embossed angled suede thick guitar strap as well.
so yeah, I prefer the Roland, if on principle and guitar strap alone :P
Bothand Nether true artist copy
Behringer MS1 better
I bought the MS and sold it right away for cheap. Not even close to SH
@@Lamster66 Yes
@@Lamster66 I mean, the MS is great, amazing machine for the price. Sounds a bit different, the cutoff also. I am used to SH sounds, the reason of my comment. If you find an SH around 600e, it is a no brainer, if more, then go for the MS.
MS more warm
you are talking bullshit... you have no clue
both sounds awful
5:38 💦
what is up, with behringer it keep releasing synths, it is copy cat of other brands of synths it doesn't make sense. like if some has original song then some makes cover with bad sounds
Wow, man. That was profound.
@@_EightySix amazing grammar to complement that amazing statement too! LOL
There are a lot of people who can't afford a $1200 synth (that's almost 40 years old) but can swing a $350 one.
M P. It is true,buying cheaper when other synths are so expensive.
Roland and korg have mini synths so cheaper less that 500. Roland has release is own vintage synths into new minis synths they do same as the big synths