How Streaming RUINED the Album Listening Experience!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2024
- In this video I discuss how streaming eventually caused the downfall of listening to an entire album from start to finish. Do you agree with my assessment?
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LARS WAS RIGHT! (except threatening to dox Napster users)
It’s usually always a bad idea to go after the consumer/audience.
Cringe
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think after awhile, Lars regretted it. That's just what I've heard anyway.
This is not "progress", it's attention deficiency, as you said it at the very end. It has become an actual ability, being bored as f*ck, in the face of a shitton of entertainment. I've never had young relatives coming over for video gaming, not going "what else is there?" every 2 minutes, when we started something up, it is ridiculously futile to try to have a good time with later generations. The same with movies, how young people rarely finish movies anymore. Doing series' is not a logical step in story telling or whatever, it's conforming to this spiraling unhealthy trend, eventually making it worse. And came Tiktok and sh*t to finish the job.
Several Years ago I began collecting Vinyl. What I noticed is that I tend to listen to the Entire Album this way. Even the least enjoyable songs - I just let the record play...
Nothing against records as long is physical media let’s keep buying but im more into cds 💿 Ithafs my choice of buying music 💿💿📀📀💿
Man, I still remember getting a CD for Christmas when I was a kid. Listening to the whole album all at once was a great experience.
Great videos about this topic, Josh. Keep it up.
You say “listening to the whole album all at once was a great experience.” Um, it’s still a great experience, but you apparently chose to stop for some reason 🤷♂️
Yeah cds and records is the true way to listen to music all songs from begging to end just like reading a book 📕 streamers are for losers jumping from song to song and don’t give the full album of a artist a chance 😅
I think it’s cool that cassettes are making a comeback
Cds 💿 need a huge comeback like records
I feel the other big thing is the quality that CDs offed compared to streaming is still not matched.
You can steam CD quality audio now a days, pretty much every streaming services offer it besides Spotify (that is still trying to figure it out), i am buying CDs of albums i really like and streaming at CD quality the rest.
@@creato938brooo that’s Capps Cds 💿💿💿 will always have better sound quality than streaming everyone knows that. Streaming sucks and it’s all rental The only wayyy to get good sound quality it’s through the cds 💿 downloading songs and streaming its Lowe’s quality and that’s a fact 😅🤣😂😂😂🖖🖖🖖
@@RobertQuantyou’re wrong. You can stream at higher quality than cd too btw.
@@socaranectien1933 oh yeah which streaming platform either way u stool don’t own the music 😭😭😭
There's so much music that's not on streaming services, though.
Still buy CD's of older and, current released albums. Don't stream music, movies, games...I use my Ipod to this day, daily. I instantly burn my albums and rip them to my Ipod. It is nice having the entire music collection of mine in one little device on the go. And not be interrupted by texts, calls, ads... I burn the albums all on CD-R's too. And play those burned CD's in my big old school home stereo. Let my Cerwin Vegas' flex! Love keeping and oreserving my CD collection. Always by entire albums, not single songs.
I notice some people still gave their iPods they still sell those I have don’t cd players that I use for my cds 💿 with batteries
It ruined the universal connection people had when a new album/movie dropped. We all heard the same music and watched the same movies, for the most part. Now younger generations are scattered throughout a vast universe of choices that they/we are all on our own island... more so.
They connect during the Fortnite "cOnCeRtS"
Absolutely right on the money!💰
Thank you for clarifying that DSL means Direct Service Line. Someone might have gotten the wrong idea of why you were going to your friend's house.
bahahahahaah
You mean dick sucking lips?
I would just go to the library, get out some CDs, rip to my PC, then repeat.
haha yeah i totally did that with a few albums
That’s basically stealing 😅
Great Vid! And that's not what DSL stands for, its Digital Subscriber Line 😉
oh damn you right.. someone many years ago must have led me astray
I don’t even know how I survived,
Me and my brother survived without even internet, iPod, phone etc. more than average I would say for kids our age
The only reason I need the internet is buy cds online or physical media The only store we have left is Aomeba records in Hollywood but it’s too far for me to
You will own happy and be nothing. Wait.
Not in my house.
The problem with all the disappearance of physical media is that we then have to rely on companies keeping those songs, albums, music videos, movies, documentaries we love available for us to listen to/view. But they can't and won't keep everything so every single hour stuff is disappearing and often for GOOD! The only way you can guarantee being able to listen to that song/album/music video/movie is to own a physical copy that you can enjoy whenever you want to.
Or buy the MP3 😊.
and after 2 hours of waiting for the song to download the meter hits 99 percent and then ERROR message :(
OH GOD I REMEMBER THAT! fuckkkkkk flash backs
I only started using streaming after my itunes library got corrupted and I didnt know how to fix it. I had my music backed up on a external hard drive and I could have reimported it but I didnt bother. I said F it, now's about as good of a time as any to switch to streaming. My ipod was getting full anyway and I wasnt going to get another one.
I remember back in my teens I was THRILLED about having a DSL connection so I could just casually grab the entire discographies of bands I loved, which I'd queue up on Winamp and listen through as I gamed/chatted/etc. And then one day I accidentally hit the shuffle button, and... sort of became addicted to the idea of basically having my own 'radio' going 24/7 and having no idea what would play next. I think that was the day the concept of an album lost it's real meaning to me. :( Streaming only made that worse. At least with downloaded copies I could properly listen if I wanted to, but unless you're paying for Spotify, you can't even pick what song you want to listen to (on mobile anyways), and even on Desktop your attempt to listen to a full album gets broken up by 20 ads every other song. We really need to go back.
In the "Discman" days, I used to like the idea of shuffling around the music of an album, but somewhere along the line I came to appreciate that the tracks on an album are (usually) put in their order for good reasons. That helped me appreciate segues between songs, so I still stick to albums. Yeah, even now! Okay, yeah I do specifically choose songs that I like, but I don't use any type of shuffling. It helps that Spotify, Apple Music, etc. are really, REALLY bad at guessing what song I want to hear.
Still though, I can totally relate to the urge of bailing out on what I'm listening to, because I thought of something else that would be good. I try to resist...
WINAMP! It really whips the llama's ass!
I think we are on track for a cd resurgence, the vinyl thing Is cool, although I don’t subscribe to the vinyl fad, I can appreciate the fact that are still going out to buy and discover new albums and spending their hard earned money.
Also I credit vinyl big time for keeping record stores thriving. That being said, whenever I go to a record store I’m usually the only guy in the cd section. I can walk out of a store with a stack of 10 new and/or used cds for like 20-50 bucks, where as if I were buying vinyl I’d be limited to just one record with that amount. I get the packaging and presentation of vinyl is better in some ways, I’m fine with the compact design of cds. Plus I don’t have to worry nearly as much about playability with cd, vinyl is more fragile than I originally thought.
I’ve seen the worst kept cds transformed into brand new ones with one resurfacing, but vinyl its just a matter of time before it starts to degrade
Once you hear the true difference between cd and streaming, the cost is extremely justified. I’ve been having so much fun looking in Goodwills for older audio equipment, it’s really interesting how all cd players have their own sound signature. I recently built a portable cd stereo system on wheels that I can use outside on my farm when I have company over. All with very little cost at Goodwills.
I enjoy putting cds on when I have parties instead of just streaming on some crappy BT speakers. I’ve noticed the difference in people actually listening and appreciating what’s being played when I have a CD in as opposed to just streaming
Ur not alone buddy everyone got their own preference I’m like u I have a lot of cds 💿 I never buy records Cds are more cheaper and easy to use and take care offf and they offer bonus tracks that streaming and records don’t offer and is also u can ripped them easily on the computer 🖥️ and sell them later on if u don’t want them no more and also take them with u anywhere u want as long as u have a cd 💿 player to play it on ✌️✌️✌️💿💿📀📀📀🤘🤘💽💽
Big knuckle tattoo fan btw
Awesome Vid!
Thank You very much for Your Work! Greetings from Germany
Your content rules dude, and you're spot on. We're close in age (I'm 36); I think a lot of it has to do with us generally being the last generation to give a damn about going to the store to buy a new CD. I remember Best Buy new release Tuesdays being a big deal in high school back in 2002, and that was during the rise of file sharing. I think the difference is, we came FROM an era where we were already listening to albums as an experience, whereas today's gen was born into a sea of music, and will never know that experience to begin with. Kind of like how we always had TV, and have no context for life without it, etc. With that said; CDs all the way, even in 2024!
I agree. I'm also the same age, but it's easy to forget how expensive CD's were back then. I went to buy Mellon Collie as a teenager in the late 90's (like three years after it was released) and it was 30 dollars as Sam Goody. 30 in 90's money, which is like 60 today. I didn't hear the album until I downloaded it from Napster. It's the one thing Lars Ulrich never touches on. The music industry was gouging us. There was even a lawsuit back in the early 00's over it and I submitted a UPC of an album I had bought and ended up getting a check in the mail for 25 dollars after the lawsuit was settled.
We are the last generation that appreciated buying physical media at the store.
while the younger generation grew up around Spotify, Netflix and Steam the big 3 digital platforms that changed the media landscape.
Cds forever 📀💿💿let’s keep buying physical media guys and support our favorite artist let all the losers stream their cheap music on their cheap cell phones and rent them 😅
@@stinghouseproductions8502yeah but it made it all that more special. I remember buying that CD too, it was the first dual disc case I ever saw and I was obsessed with the artwork on that album.
@@Pluralofvinylisvinyls yeah I have those too dual disc double sided those were cool Full album on one side And dvd 📀 on the other side
Agree with everything you say here but i am 41 years old and very stubborn with my ways when it comes to owning and listening to music, so i still buy cds and listen to albums multiple times while driving to get the most out of them. Like with napster back in the day if theres an artist im intrigued by i try them out on youtube before buying a cd . If they dont release albums on cd then that sucks but if its that good i download it from amazon to play off my laptop or phone . I still cant get with spotify and to my detriment as a musician i have yet to put my music on spotify and prefer how bandcamp caters more to the album listener .
Downloading the songs is still not the same thing is low sound quality and stealing the Music The only wayyy artist make money is offf cds 💿 or records when ur buying the music 😅
I’m also 41 but I gave up on buying physical cds, but not physical video games. I’ll go out of my way to get physical copies even when games can be super cheap digitally. Understandable stubbornness.
@@fightrudyfight5799 games is different than Music or movies but everyone got there preference
@@RobertQuant yea it’s different but the way they’re pretty much making game disks an install key and everything is downloading to your consoles sucks. I miss the days of buying a FULL game not bits and pieces and extra dlc to complete a game. I feel like an old man yelling at clouds lol
@@fightrudyfight5799 it’s true though physical media will always be better
An awful offshoot of this is how we don’t own always online video games that we buy.
If the company who made the game decides to shut the servers down then you’re fucked which is wrong.
Also, no way am I paying for Spotify. They don’t have a lot of music.
All streaming apps sucks especially Spotify that’s the worst one I’m glad ai ownalot of cds 💿 that will never be available on any streaming devices I own my music forever and won’t get my money robbed by streaming services raising up their prices might as well buy records at that point lol 😅 cds forever let’s keep buying music and suppost our favorite artist 🤘🤘🤘🍥📀📀💿💿💿💽💽💽🗜️
Even with the music that is currently on streaming apps. One day, they could take some music off just because they feel like it.
@@femali amen true
@@femali that’s always been the problem with streaming even music I guess people will never learn until it happen to them 😌😌😌
Good video! The album drop is still alive and well in the underground bandcamp scene. I dwell in the melodeath and dungeon synth scenes there. But they are culturally insignificant. I saw fantano had a recent video on how taylor swift was releasing her new album many different formats or versions to stay on top lists.
i saw the thumbnail for that video but didnt click on it now i wanna check it out and see what all the fuss is about
This is SO true.
Spot on analysis. I still remember how I listened to my newest CD's almost 25 years ago, studied the booklet and listened to the whole thing over and over again. I'm still doing this with bands I consider super important for me and buy the album, although I listen to it mostly on Spotify from that point forward.
Cds better than Spotify 📀💿💿💽💽 u listen to the full album on better sound quality and u own the music with bonus tracks from Japan target or Best Buy which streaming never offers 😅🙏🙏🙏
I can say one great thing about the MP3s that are out there on the open seas, you can find lots of live performances and rare versions of songs. Some years ago I fell down a small rabbit hole finding variations of "Batdance". It's very weird and silly, but but I thought it was fun and not something that would be released by Prince (or, I guess now, his estate).
By the way, something I see gaining some steam these days is Dolby surround remasters of albums. Things like this have been around a little while in various formats (DVD or SACD), but seem to be a bit more numerous these days on Atmos Blu-Rays and even some streaming services. Any surround mixes of albums you like? Just a dumb gimmick?
I had entire discographies on my iPod mini. Queen [Yes, including the *Flash Gordon* soundtrack], The Living End and Green Day. As someone who is a fan of B-Sides and hidden gems, I too had to purchase the albums, but even went a step further and often bought the singles too.
Great (if somewhat depressing) video, Josh. I was not expecting a Kurgestagt clip--love that channel
Awesome video dude. Really enjoy your content. Glad I found you through red cow entertainment!
It also ruined a source of income for artists and degraded sound quality. I still buy every new release on CD, well over 100 a year.
ipods also degraded sound quality. I was ripping my cds at lower bitrates so I could fit more songs on my ipods. Because of the limited space of ipods it sort of encouraged you to do that.
Cds forever 📀📀📀💿I’m always going to sell them and buy them
It seems if we really want to experience the album we have to do it ourselves through a listening party with friends or something because otherwise yeah.
(Btw, had one with your album I bought) 🤘
Hey man, I’ve commented on one of your vids before and I’ve gotta comment again. I’m a 43 year old guy and it is so fucking awesome to see a younger guy like you with such awesome takes! You’re spot on about everything here. Tbh, I secretly judge anyone who only uses playlists. Especially the top 40 kind of playlists. Eweee… nah man, I’d much rather throw in a CD and listen to it from beginning to end. The way the artists intended! Like I said, your takes are always great man. I appreciate ya.
Oh… and being a bass player myself, I gotta say I love your large selection of Primus CDs! Lol
hell yeah! Les Claypool was my idol when I was coming up as a young bassist even though my renditions of their songs were just cheap imitations it was still fun
@@DancingwithGhosts don’t feel bad homie. Everyone’s renditions of primus are inadequate at best lol. There’s only one Les and that’s just how it is.
@@Zerdok311 facts
Love ya content and love ya videos :)
This exact reason is why Garth Brooks has always had a beef with streaming services (sans Amazon Music), because he wants his fans to listen to his albums in full, versus buying "Friends in Low Places" and "The Thunder Rolls", and not the rest of "No Fences". On the plus side, though, Garth's sold more than 162 million albums, making him one of the bestselling artists of all time, so he has a right to stand up for what he believes in, and it doesn't hurt to listen to an album cut from an artist or band's catalogue once in a while, which are songs that aren't released as singles but are beloved by diehard fans.
some of the best songs by many artists are the ones that aren't played on the radio
I wish there were more artist like Garth brooks to pull out all their music on streaming services that wayyy we can make people go back to buying cds 💿 and records and supporting the artist 🧑🎨
I used to listen to complete albums on my iPod, as I was a bit of a music snob myself. But then my attention span dropped to listening a couple of songs of the same artist/band
Another banger, Josh ! Really liked the anachronistic and shameless plug at 7:00 😂. Also, oh no, not Dark Josh at 9:13 with the black leather Punisher cap and the (mostly) black tshirt and hair...
Great video! I'm lucky I had a family who educated me about music. When the first CD I bought was a U2 greatest hits, they educated me that for my favorite band I should be getting their full albums. The other CD I did buy that day was The Who's Tommy, that needs to be played as a full album. It's great to have those complete album experiences. Life always moves on, I get it, but it's a great experience younger generations will likely miss out on.
You talking about the "iPods loaded with many different artists but each only having a handful of singles and incomplete albums" brought back that specific memory I thought I forgot.
Man, what streaming also killed on many albums were the transitions. Some remain, some not. Demon Days, American Idiot with the transitioning songs joined on a single track, some Epica albums that have a little blank space between songs, and S/T by Black Sabbath (the UK tracklist/don't like the US one, again because of the joined tracks) are examples that come to mind rn. Hate it, I switched to Tidal that offers hi-res versions that keep the details on not all, but many releases (A. Idiot with the original sequence).
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btw, I remember the first days of just plugging the ethernet in the tower instead of the dial-up crap and the speeds weren't fast enough to believe a classmate who told me that she was able to download a whole movie through Ares or a whole album via torrent (the ones who invested more money on a/dsl apparently could, but accessible net prices still offered an awful speed). Full albums on mp3 players in the 00s? Lol, that was my dream as a child with my 128mb mp3.
I've recently found the band Sleep Token and I still make it a point to listen to their albums start to finish.
It's how it was intended to be presented.
Album sequencing really is a thing.
This is true of music, games, movies... when we don't have SOME stake in it (putting money towards it, in this case), we lose nothing by saying "meh" and moving on. When I started buying records, I cared way more and gave my albums the time and attention they deserve, like I did in the cassette/CD days. The very physicality of it makes a huge difference, too. I have a single iTunes album, and it may as well not exist, because I have no intention of dusting off my iTunes account to listen to my paid-for access to said album. If it were sitting in my record crate, it'd be an entirely different story.
Now, if only record prices would settle the hell down...
The point you're trying to argue is irrelevant. If someones clicking off an album to listen to a different song, then maybe the album sucks and it has nothing to do with streaming services. Im 19 grew up with all this over stimulating crap and can still sit down and listen to an album all the way through no problem.
Wow, you remember all of this the same way I do. You're absolutely right. I have nothing to add to your recollection of events.
I'm guilty though. I ripped all of my CDs to iTunes around 2006. I adopted Spotify immediately after I found out about it in 2011.
I think another sad part is that I feel like the 80s, 90s, and early 00s were getting better and better about excluding lousy filler tracks that would piss you off when you realize all the good ones were on the radio.
I now miss the story told by an album from beginning to end, so I am trying to reintroduce it in my life. The biggest hurdle is definitely refusing to engage in distractions instead of just listening and appreciating.
I used to collect movies and really enjoyed it, but it took up so much space, then I started downloading movies and for a while it seemed great. Then I realized that I had hundreds of movies saved that I never watched. I think we like looking at something physical, like a cover to associate with. It seems more meaningful to me than having a case full of dvd disks I never look at. Physical media should never die!🤟
I remember in the mid 2000s I discovered sites like megaupload and rapidshare. Ended up downloading music more than I listened to it.
The point of having physical media isn’t buying everything at once only buy stuff that u know ur gonna watch and really want
@@RobertQuant For sure!
@@cdjxman facts 🙏🙏
The first two LA GUNS albums are still excellent front to back.
I still buy CDs and the only streaming service i did for a little bit was free Pandora years ago. The CDs are often used as a form of cold storage. Although i do take certain special ones of them out from time to time and try to listen to the CD first through my stere before it becomes FLAC fodder.
Never streamed and never will👍🏻✌🏻🤟🏻
Thank u physical media forever Cds 💿 and records let’s keep buying for more music stores 🏬 can open and sell them again
@@RobertQuant scamify is ripping musicians
This subject hits home. I almost entirely stopped buying cds a few years back and (like you) fell into the trope of using Spotify and RUclips music to cover most of my music needs now...
But I do practice an old school habit of me and a fellow metalhead at work swap cds every now and then.
I lend him Behemoth and cannibal corpse, he lends me Dry Kill logic and Lamb of God.
being internet savvy was a given if you were a college student in the late 1990s
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What is old will become new again. A good amount of my friends seem to long for an era, which they only got to see the tail end of, if that. Ironically, I was contemplating a CD release, granted I have such little following I'm not sure theres a point. I like your video man, theres some good points,and your perspective, however drab it may be, is interesting.
My cd collection keeps me going sometimes. I have a nice few stacks and I constantly rotate them to my car for my ride to work. Some of them have been in the mix for a decade or more haha. The last cd I purchased was a rare bootleg for almost 100$ and it brought me much joy, seeing how you can’t even get these songs on yt or Spotify. But I don’t have the tech to rip it to a computer and make copies for my friends which kind of sucks haha
Am i the only one who still starts and album and listens all the way through? Maybe because i still have cd's and vinyl, but when i open spotify in the car or at work, i do have playlists but i typically click the first track of an album and play it out.
I’m 38. I grew up in the 90s buying albums solely based on the cover. Even when Napster and Kazaa were around, mainly because labels got smart and started putting “You’re now listening to - insert band here - from the forthcoming - insert album here- album”
I am of the younger generation and I have “strict parents” so I don’t have a phone with music. I have a AT&T flip phone. Anyway, I watched the video where you went to FYE and I didn’t know that store even existed. Thank you because I found the store in my local mall and found one of my favorite albums. Also Barnes & Nobel had a decently big CD selection. Even though they’re cheap and crappy, I think I’m going to end up getting a record player because, yes, vinyl has a much greater selection in any store with physical media.
This shift to singles isn't new, though it is extreme this time around. Preference for singles or albums has gone in cycles. In the 1890s, when the recording industry moved from experimental to standard products, there were only singles; they were sold on cylinders at first, and flat disc records, which were only recorded on one side, came along later in the decade. By 1910, most flat disc records were recorded on both sides, so the standard single with an A-side and a B-side had taken shape, but the B-side wasn't seen as a throwaway track at first. It took a long time for albums to begin catching on. Though there were a few by the 1920s, they didn't become common until the 1930s. Back then, they really were albums - books containing multiple record sleeves in which the individual 78RPM records were stored. There were huge albums for complete operas (which could be quite heavy), and there were smaller albums for pop music, typically four records, which had a total of eight songs, though this could vary. Soundtracks were also popular album material. Even though albums had found a place in the industry, the single still reigned supreme, and most singles didn't end up spawning albums.
With the introduction of the LP in the late 1940s, a single record could hold an entire album, making the concept a lot more convenient. By the early-to-mid 1950s, the album had become the dominant format for mainstream pop music, jazz, and classical music. The old 78RPM singles continued to be made, though they were quickly supplanted by the smaller and less breakable 45RPM single. With rock music exploding in popularity in the mid-1950s, the singles came back with a vengeance. Rock was entirely single-oriented and radio-oriented at first. Albums were an afterthought. When someone had a hit single, an album would be hastily thrown together; it basically consisted of one or two hit singles and a whole bunch of B-sides, which were often downright terrible. The main advantage was that the LP was usually made of better quality material than the 45 and would last longer. It wasn't until the mid-to-late 1960s that rock music took albums seriously, and the cycle shifted back to albums. The late 1960s/1970s was a golden age of album-oriented rock. In the late 1970s, disco shifted the focus back to singles, especially the extended 12" dance singles, but albums remained prominent throughout the 1980s and 1990s, and until the events described in this video.
Major changes in technology seem likely to make the current shift to singles more enduring than the single-oriented phases in the late 1950s/early 1960s and the late 1970s. However, albums still reign supreme in some parts of the music industry. Classical music, with its longer pieces of music and its old-fashioned audience, still churns out albums, and physical media is alive and well. Some underground music scenes remain more album-oriented, though I've seen shifts toward singles there too. I don't think albums will die, but it is hard to imagine them regaining mainstream prominence any time soon.
Listening to an album on CD is very different from on a streaming service such as spotify. I very rarely use spotify for whole albums and when I do, it's because the album doesn't have a cd copy. I always wait till I have ahold of the cd to listen to the album because it has such a different feeling to me. The one exception I made was green day's saviors when it came out. Listening on cd was such a different experience than when I streamed it
(And also spotify tends to ruin the transitions like with P!atd's Fever or just gets rid of them entirely like The Ghost Of You into The Jetset Life Is Gonna Kill You on Three Cheers)
I bought Green Day’s greatest hits cd 💿 god’s favorite band Alsome cd 💿 with best sound quality listening to all their hits compare to cheap ass streaming 😅
I still enjoy the album experience very much. I don't really care for playlists so I don't listen to streaming music that much i usually listen to my CD's of artists that i love. I understand the convenience of streaming services but i think it has made people lazy and not enjoy the way an album was intended to listen to from an artist. What is ao hard about putting the cd in and pressing play and then changing out the cd and putting it back in the case on the shelf. People are just lazy. What is so hard about choosing a cd you want to listen to in the car with you and putting it back in it's case in your home when you're done listening to it. I will never understand that.
It’s not just lazyyynesd people are greedy with money also they want everything freee from streaming even though they don’t own the music 😅back in the 1990s u had no choice but to go to Best Buy and buy all the new cds 💿 they had and support the artist know artist don’t make money off their music cause of stupid streaming 😅let’s keep buying physical medial guys Records and cds 💿 tipl the end 📀📀💿📀🙏🙏🙏🙏
Albums I like on spotify I add to a list and purchase the physical copy because I love supporting artists and getting to have a tangible piece of their work in my possession. I work in the back room at walmart sorting and stacking freight and unloading trucks manually. I listen to music the entire day seeking out more albums to spend my money on.
Do you still do the unsolved mysteries podcast?
no, unfortunately, but we have all our old episodes (over 200) available to stream on spotify or any other place you listen to podcasts
I still listen to full albums all the time, but I do find that the ridiculous amount that I have access to has led to two negative consequences:
1) I have way more music than I can listen to and get to know well.
2) I find I don't appreciate very many albums all that much, except maybe for albums that I've loved since I was a kid through to my 20s.
On the other hand, having so much music means I really can't get bored with my library. Since I'm less familiar with most of my music than I would've been before streaming, there's always something that seems fresh and new, even if I've listened to it before.
I went to Goodwill today and bought 9 CDs & a George Carlin DVD box set for $18 total. I'm ripping the CDs right now.
I have over 600 cds. Get ya plastic collection game up 😂
lol eventually i might get there
@@DancingwithGhosts that’s the spirit! Little plastic discs forever! lol
@@DancingwithGhosts Also today I bought a cassette tape of Joan Jett and the Blackhearts lol
I’ve been buying cds 💿 since I was young and popular in the 1900s Best Buy I lost count but I need to buy more book shelves
@@RobertQuantgood good! let the cds flow through you
We need to bring physical media. Especially for video games and music
I agree with you but concept albums are still very much prevalent from indie bands, so i gotta disagree. I pretty much only listen to music in full albums unless I'm in the car. This is really just for mainstream music listeners I feel, most people who are deeper into music typically have an appreciation for listening to albums in full compared to just a couple of tracks.
I use I tunes....
But, I'm still a huge advocate of physical media. I just ordered Steel Panther's "Lower the Bar" album. Last week, brand new CD ! 🤙🏼
Limewire + Zune = a happy younger me with lots of music. Damn I miss using that brick.
I think that , not listening to a whole album started in the late 90s with teens just buying a cd just for the few good songs that were on it. I don’t even recall anyone digging the whole album at all back then. Then when Napster, and other peer to peer sites came around, and having MP3 players, I think that pretty much killed the whole album experience/enjoyment altogether. So, I don’t really blame streaming, when that idea had already happened.
I wrote this before starting the video, sort of as an answer to a question.
I feel this. Whenever I put on a full album while driving with friends, I get stared tf down.
I still buy physical media because there is so much stuff I like that you will not be able to find streaming. Plus a lot of streaming services sensor movies and too many times I've had buffering issues or picture quality issues. But I no longer buy CDs unless it's a big deal album to me.
The last dollar i spent on music was in 2008 when Death Magnetic came out...
I have spent literally ZERO dollars on music since. I just pull up albums on youtube for free and listen to the random ads.
Pandora Radio had a hand in this too IMO
I believe the final nail in the coffin for CDs is when car manufacturers stopped including CD players in their vehicles. I think a good portion of people's full album experiences used to be while driving.
It makes me sick, honestly. I hate how the mindless masses have so easily embraced the illusion of convenience and instant gratification that strips them completely of the once highly rewarding experience of buying a new CD from your favorite bands. Nothing can ever replace the once highly rewarding feeling of going into a music store, finding the newest CD from your favorite band, proudly purchasing it and then getting to your car where you get to hold the new album in your hands, opening it up and smelling the freshly printed ink as you look over all of the artwork and listen to the new music for the first time. Apart from tasting, it stimulated all of your senses.
But now the experience of streaming leaves one feeling very hollow and empty after hearing the new music. When the music stops, there is nothing left to show for your investment or support for a band. I hate it! I hate being trapped in a critical ADHD crisis society that worships instant gratification far more than a quality experience. These clueless drones are now fully responsible for the death of one of the most rewarding aspects of consuming music to where I am forced to skip or stop supporting bands I love because they make no money off CDs and therefore don’t release their newer music on CD anymore. But I absolutely REFUSE to feed the digital devil that has devoured something I once found so much satisfaction in by buying their hollow digital albums. It’s less painful just pretending that the band(s) broke up. Music just isn’t the same anymore with the constant worry of wondering when CDs will no longer be available and all the oblivious masses who determine the path ahead for the rest of culture are fully at fault! 😤
Gotta say here; Streaming was the “great revenge” to the music industry for decades of consumers and fans plunking down ten bucks for a new album, and getting 2 good songs out of 12 on the whole damn thing. Yes, there were great albums. But does every band and artist do them? Say it with me…N-O. NO.
yes that's true and it was a risk you took but that was kinda part of the fun because when you got a great album it felt like you got one over on the store but when it was a shit album the store definitely got one over on you
Well actually it depends on the artist and ur familiar with their music
I think we've got two different things playing out: The average normie who piled up Columbia House hit of the month CDs that were never listened to (and which all seem to wind up piled to the rafters at thrift stores) is now able to just pay for Spotify or whatever and get their audio wallpaper. At the same time, real fans are still around and I think artists make a mistake by catering to the first group instead of the second.
It's kind of a mix of both concepts, but when Peter Gabriel put out almost every song and every mix from his last album in isolation, I didn't want to know about it. It was like "Dude, play me the whole thing when it's done. I have shit to do!" Yeah, there are people who eat up the drip feed thing, but it's really damned tedious to try to keep up with artists on a day to day basis rather than a once a year or once every few years basis.
Singles don't make much sense anymore, but I think the album still has a place. We're just dipping out of being a society where everyone cares about these things. In my more cynical moments, I assume most people are too busy putting on an 8 season show on netflix and drooling in front of a TV to actually engage with anything and the streaming model is just the musical version of that.
yeah I totally forgot that Peter Gabriel dripped out pretty much every song on his album I/O, damn that would have been a better example to have used than Oliver Tree.. I don't have time to keep up with it either, I'd prefer one or two singles max to be released, make a great music video and make it a "moment", rather than dripping out singles like an assembly line
i can see a future interview you would have with james rolfe where you ask him "what do you think the future of music will be" and he responds with "a duck goes quack quack quack while doing a ducky shit".
When I stream music I listen to the entire album. I don't skip tracks. I usually listen to most albums once, and move on and discover new artists and their albums. That to me is what a musicologist does, at I do. I have heard 5K+ albums and counting. I own over 1K on vinyl down from 2K+. I made a lot of burned CD's in my time, none were mixed. I never had a MP3 player, I was 30 when it came out.
If you go back further in time, it seems apparent that the invention of physical media , the "album" , and along with it the invention of the radio , did away with the previous experience of super unique hyper locally enjoyed live music.
I don't doubt a ton of people stopped learning how to play musical instruments with the invention of the phonograph and radio.
Reaching even further back, perhaps the invention of printing, and selling printed sheet music furthermore did away with unique compositions and music styles as people began to adopt " popular " tunes rather than creating their own compositions.
If you go even further back, religious hegemony and political controls might itself have done away with unique and locally produced music.
And so on.
Point being music is always changing. Moving away from the old format and into a new one is just the way things have been all along.
Well, I sure don’t miss buying an album or cd and having wasted my money because it sucks! I like being able to hear the music first. And I have every song I want in the palm of my hand.
Its why I have all my music in .mp3s, entertainment/podcasts, etc in 1TB + micro sds, for my phone.. No ":forced" cloud streaming for me. No ads or need for internet.. My cell plan is only like 10$ with free wifi.
What really sucks, are the new phones(apple,sam), that disabled micro support, to force people for cloud.. I'm glad used phone market still exists and older phones still sell the "slot" sd part.
"....Of course we are talking about is the late 90's when the internet speed was shit and it took a couple of hours just to download just one mp3...."........ As an Australian, I feel attack. It still take me three months Axel F by Harold Faltermeyer........ and it only just finished downloading 5 minutes ago.
That said, I can see where you are coming from. Even I have picked up that we have in effect gone back around to a "single" based market like it was back in the 40's or 50's. Just the delivery format had changed. I have been making an effort to buck the trend recently and brought my self three full length vinyl's of the 24 or so albums that King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard's had brought out in the past 14 or 15 years that they existed.
bahahahaah that first part had me laughing
This is what makes collecting vinyl records great outside the sound quality, it makes you listen to the whole thing
Work at a record store, sell CDs and records all day. Also talk to people who (get this) listen to entire albums on streaming.
It's cool that we finally realized that how importang the owning is.
Digital media has cheapened the value of music or content in the minds of consumers. When we were teenagers spending our hard-earned money from allowances or part-time jobs on CDs, it meant something. And the booklet with lyrics and sometimes cool pictures or insight, meant something.
I stream,download and buy albums and songs,I buy music from Amazon and iTunes and stream from Apple Music!
Streaming and digital downloads take away the concept of ownership of media. Buy a physical copy, so you can own it for life. On digital platforms, they can remove a title without notice and you may never able to listen again and why piracy is justified.
Or any media and electronics with an internet connection where a title can be removed or device becomes bricked.
It's a subject Louis Rossmann likes to talk about.
billy corgan (smashing pumpkins) is notorious for taking his own stuff off spotify.. good luck listening to Zeitgeist digitally (well there's youtube but the quality isn't as good because youtube's compression)
4:56 Give this man a hand.
the dark days of limewire... never knew what was gonna pop up with their misleading titles
I need to start my own podcast RUclips I love talking about physical media 😅all the time 🖖🖖🖖📀📀📀💿💿
Thank u Aomeba records in Hollywood in Los Angeles keeping physical media alive buying cds 💿 records blue rays vhs and DVDs 📀 forever my favorite music store 🏬
“This stock clip represents our parents.” LOL
I wonder what happened to those people who got huge fines over napster? Are they still paying it off?
i feel like i remember hearing that most of them just got dropped
I looked it up. Only a few got as far as court and most settled out of court for a few thousand. Only 2 went to court and they got hit with a 2 million dollar fine. No idea what happened to them afterwards. Napster itself had to pay about $150 million to various record labels.
you are more than welcome to listen to our new record, created on retro equipment. even the cables we used were from the 90's. anyways, cheers to you! ruclips.net/p/PLIdhWcmwj4953oHEAi15JwDC92J6Cd_bh
I still use an ipod to this very day
7:37 Of course there's no dad shown in the clip "representing" our parents, lol.
hahahaha i didn't even realize that
I listen from track 1, no skipping bullshit!
Not to mention, if your band resembles another band somehow. intentionally or not. The listener is going to listen to that band instead. You'd need to come out with such a nice genre or such an idiotic gimmick to gain any traction. My previous band had a unique blend of female fronten metal. But we were named in one breath with Evanescence and Paramore. So all our streams just went there after one play. People rather listen to what they know, get their nostalgia running. Knowing the lyrics already. Instead of something new.
In the CD era, you had to learn to appreciate the album you bought. I mad way worse music in the CD-phase/pre-spotify/iTunes era. But I sold way more music and way more shows.
It's just bad for the small to middle-sized bands & artists. Unless you fully commit to the algorithm game.
Polyphia (as an example) just did that, drip-fed us constantly through different media. Made guest appearances everywhere to wow people that youngsters can wield the guitar so well.
Then drip fed their latest album after the previous lacking true traction.
Now they drive fancy cars and sell VSTs and the works.
I would've not learn to appreciat DWG, had I not come across your RUclips-page. agree with most of your takes or at least find them insteresting. Got into talks on your Discord about music and other stuff. Now I am more a fan of the music than anything surrounding it. Because I too turned into an online media-consumer. Wwith all the trappings of that
so my plan workeedddd heh heh heh lol j\k
@@DancingwithGhosts you need a big fluffy cat to stroke while you sit on a throne practicing your maniacal laughter 🤣🤣🤣
Nah I'm glad DWG is in my playlist! Really hyped for the new album that I'll be drip-fed 😈
Which was followed by Tiktok ruining the aspect of listening to a whole song..At least for the younger democratic.
Not to mention the literal mental health issues it spawned.
Also major record labels not signing bands from playing in the clubs or live anymore and only signing TikTok artists.