@@therealVOR When it comes to the MIA, they're basically on the page. Even on immigration, it's only a small minority of Republican legislators who want to see something done.
My cop friend tells me that once police begin taking casualties, they are out of the fight. Police allegiance is first to their pensions and pay and second to their employers.
Yeah, there are some PDs that aren't properly trained or diligent.. Like during the Uvalde Robb Elementary School mass killing. An hour and a HALF? Children's Screams, Bang, Bang, BANG! No Response? An hour and a HALF? Your cop friend is probably like one of those cowards.. But, most cops that I have known, Are Not like That!
I would also point out that like Missouri during the Civil War, New Jersey during the Revolutionary War pitted neighbors against each other. Private grievances became the reason to attack neighbors in the chaos and not politics. There is nothing civil in a civil war.
I live in kansas, bunch of self righteous losers, I easily imagine them as blood thirsty cowards attacking random unaffiliated Missourri farmers in their despicable zeal and running back here to hide
We are far from a civil war. We have a prosperous rich and powerful nation. No one wants to fight a civil war. Except maybe VoR. We were more divided in late 60’s early 70’s.
MZ actually compares a 2nd American Civil War to the Bolshevik Revolution. In how a well-connected network of Cities can be more capable than a disorganized countryside. He didn’t factor that America’s countryside is the one with the guns. The Bolsheviks & Urbanites were the ones who had better access to guns. You can argue “but my F-35s make it impossible”, but Afghanistan tells me otherwise…
Historically, a peasant rebellion never wins. The rebellion must have the support of a dissident faction of the elite. The Greens of the Russian revolution outnumbered the Reds and Whites, yet didn't seize power because they just wanted to be left alone in their home provinces.
@@ctrlaltdebugValid points. However, MZ made this point in a RUclips short, with no other context from the original video. There is room to argue that enough of our Elites might be seeing the error of their ways, in a few short years. The rejection of Israeli interests by American youth might push some of our Elites to side with Conservative factions, who by contrast have blindly supported Israeli interests in recent history. Even the delusion that they can keep control if Conservatives can be utilized might be enough to wrestle back control. At the very least least, we would have an Elite that thinks we have a right to exist…
Great points! To add to the whole F-35 argument, ask yourself this, where are they physically based out of? Red counties or blue counties? Another thing you need to take into account is the maintenance and spare parts, as well as the logistics necessary for that. It is common knowledge that the American MIC is spread out all over the country (in part to create jobs in various congressional districts). As a consequence, something as complicated as an F-16 (forget the F-35), will have components from 100 different places, across 20 different states. Mind you, the F-16 needs 19 hours of maintenance per hour flown. In a hypothetical scenario where you have different factions across a huge territory fighting each other, how are you going to deliver those spare parts from one end of that territory, to another? Because in such a scenario, I promise you that you won’t be able to just get in your car and drive, get on the interstate, and drive a few states over. There will be roadblocks and checkpoints every few dozen miles. In fact, as a former truck driver and truck dispatcher, I can tell you that the whole commercial logistics system in the continental US is fragile to say the least. In the winter, there is only ONE 100% safe route from east to west (I-10).
Unfortunately I see the vast majority of U.S. citizens just going along with whatever they’re told. I was in the infantry for 9 years and what you said about them, in my experience, is correct but I would say that it doesn’t matter. Command will just find someone else to do it that doesn’t care.
@@therealVOR that’s true but I just don’t see it getting to that point for them. I think they’ll act long before it gets to that point. Something is happening right now. We have an illegitimate government and for some reason everyone is ok with that
@@therealVOR Even if the rural folk go up in arms, they will mostly stay local. Peasant revolts never win without power hungry elite leaders because left to their own devices they just want to be left alone.
@@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn, everyone is scared from consequences. Big difference. US is not the same 40y ago . Sorry but most of americans is more scared to confront with the government vs be poor and hungry. Thats what US government do last 20y. Make great country to 3rd level country. "Land of the free" ..... What freedom? Cant see any freedom in US . I was grow up to believe that USA is best place to live in all world . Now I'm discussing with what is happening in USA.
Obviously, it's NATCA - the US air traffic controllers association, which comprises of 20,000 highly skilled engineers and radar technicians. Ironically, they did suffer at the behest of the former POTUS, Ronald Reagan, but they are still very conservative. Of the 600+ overseas US military bases, roughly 90% would consider themselves to be, not right-wing, but very loyal to Donald Trump, and Trump knows this. Both of my sisters dated American military staffers here in the UK. Near to London, one is located at *Eastcote, Middlesex, and the other in St John's Wood, London. (where the latter is more an administrative complex). At both locations, they refused to take down portraits of George Bush even after he had lost the US election. There are roughly 3,000,000 US military personnel serving overseas. If a civil conflict broke out in the US, it would take roughly three months of mobilisation to return roughly about half a million **US military personnel back to mainland America. Unlike the US based military personnel - who could be immediately locked out of their Barracks and denied access to military hardware. Unlike the returning US military personnel who are trained to be a pre-emptive force with readily available inventory. We must remember that it was the British that blockaded all US ports twice in their history (in the Revolutionary War and the war of 1812 - 15) Such blockades can be easily implemented again in today's America, on both sides, by returning US Naval Pro-Trump affiliates where Democrat Cities - which are mainly Coastal with a much higher density. If a Civil War broke out, Republican states would be at an advantage because they form a contiguous land mass spanning from the East Coast (Florida) to the Pacific and the Northern border regions (Canada) down to the Gulf of Mexico. Country folk also have the "military" skills to perform tasks similar to sappers, field servicing mechanics, and seige engineers ie servicing a Abrams tank would not be very different from servicing a combine harvester. Hence Democrat run Cities could easily be surrounded and cut off from valuable resources by a highly efficient pro-trump demographic. Let's hope it never happens.
Another Alternate history Channel that sort of delved into this is Whatifalthist. Maybe someone did bring it up, but yeah he was leaning a bit more on the right winning the civil war in many aspects. Though one thing to consider is the rural urban divide as it is. The right has a lot of individualist mentality and more prepared for combat with stockpiling and general aptitude in general relative to city dwelling folk. Though the coastal cities and their ports have all better access to external support way more than the interior, urban factions. A sort of logistical stranglehold may arise (i.e the Anaconda Plan) where all fronts may be engaged and the right is more likely to be landlocked. It will be very complicated and factions in cities may split too. Foreign actors may come into play, as did the french and English which had ambitions depending on which side would win.
It depends on how the war starts. If it starts as a foreign military offensive on US soil followed by a crack down on US Citizens who enter the fray, the military will already be in the field and fighting inside the US and at this point they will likely follow the current leadership.
A foreign incursion into America will never happen. It’s literally impossible. The US geographically speaking, is impervious to a troop invasion on the scale needed to have any chance of success.
Removing the government would inevitably result in half the population not accepting the removal, or not accepting the replacement. Everything seems to point towards a divorce or a civil war. Irrespective of what or how a resolution happens, it would take 2 or 3 generations for the population to stop hating each other.
Everyone who engages in a civil war agrees with this comment, from every side. Do you realize that both BLM and MAGA agree we can't trust our elections or the justice system?
I propose a cyclical dictatorship/senatorial democracy 1 year of dictatorship to railroad everything then it flips to a senatorial democracy All the states are dissolved into a triarchy one big southern territory and an east west split Each territory has a senator, governor and a sheriff A parallel police force that gets air wings of jets and another militia force that also gets the same amount of weapons, jets whatever that keep each other in check Practice hyper isolationism and end all Neo colonialism and restore all foreign ties following Chinas model of business first
@@Steve-qt9ce while I agree with you on principal I have children now that are too young to defend themselves. Watching the war in Ukraine shows how devastating a civil war would be. I just don’t think most people realize how destructive a war would actually be
@@BearFlagRebel I disagree about racial. Skin color has very little to do with any future civil war. It will be based on ideological opposites. No need to spell them out here, everyone sees the divisions building in this country. They are not based on skin color but on philosophy and what the role of government both state and federal should be.
Excellent. I am the viewer who commented on previous video, thank you. You have assessed MZ correctly as an acedemic, but I think that is his real voice 😁.
@@therealVORHe’s another one of those Alternate-History nerds who started tapping into Political Commentary when they ran out of scenarios to make videos on. Real person, but *very* bookish.
November is the point of decision for many. A lot of people are waiting to see if we can actually vote our way out without conflict. IMO, no matter who wins in November, one side will not accept it, and there will be violence. We are too far gone and no matter which trajectory we take, half of the country will deem it unbearable. I dont see an offramp.
@@mayachico9766 It absolutely can, look at every empire in history as it fell after declaring that they were eternal. Every Chinese dynasty, the European empires, Rome itself.
@@mayachico9766Within the last 3 months , some youtubers record videos of walking major cities like san fran , san jose, sacramento, Los Angeles that show a state of collapse that is mind blowing. Occasionally, law enforcement vehicles blaze by, but the images appear so stark as to come out of a dark age.
I been having cars in pairs constantly and same cars returning ..ON A back rd .where traffic is not this high..im 25 miles n North of Travis Air Base..Calif .last few days..when that slows .a helecopter or a plane takes turns. Constantly in the air .
Hey Military and Foreign Affairs network, can you do something addressing the concern that foreign countries could get involved in a way that matters and tips the scale and show why that fear, while reasonable, won't change the outcome anymore than America and Europe's intervention in Ukraine.
It's ashamed to see the(one day)greatest power,going down for their own mistakes. But that's the way the world was created, nothing last forever, sadly.
I love mr z but yeah he dropped the ball on that one Retention numbers are also in the water so if simply nothing happens the army still gets smaller and smaller
Wrong. 27 countries showed up to help Syria fight it's civil war. We can expect at least that many to help Americans fight each other. If we have a civil war our grand kids are all learning mathematics being taught in Mandarin left, right, or center. It won't be a two sided war. You can expect at least 30 different internal factions to pop up in America with at least that many countries showing up to help them all fight each other. You have no idea what is coming. The Chinese and Russians might even pick opposite sides and have us fight each other for 20 years just to prove a point. If we have a civil war, other people will pick your destiny no matter what side you think you're on.
Wrong! This war will be the result of the global economic/currency collapse thus EVERY nation, except Russia who has Seperated themselves from the SWIFT system and is self sufficient, will be in their own wars.
Wrong. America is the one that supported Syria the most so much so that what those 26 other countries contributed was comparatively worthless. Furthermore, those other 26 countries are mostly European, and they've been running on empty supporting Ukraine. There's not really a whole lot they can contribute, especially because of the problem of trans-oceanic supply lines because America is a lot further away than Syria is. In short, WE are the piggy bank and the ones who meddle, and there's not a whole lot even the Russians and Chinese could do except back the winner, and they scale much higher than those 26 other countries that supported Syria.
Love your channel because it’s so honest. What is your assessment of the current effectiveness of the US military? How would they fare in a war between Russia or China? 12:06 BTW If you calculate total US debt to GDP ( public and private in the US it is less today than the mid 1980’s. The US government can and will do ever more fiscal spending. When you have the world reserve currency you can do what you like. There is no alternative to the US dollar and won’t be for a long time. The US really is an historic exception that won’t disappear easily.
actually there was even more rioting and several of them went to jail for assault and weapons offenses... then there was the fiasco rioting of Jan 6 for which several more pride boys went to prison for conspiracy and,,, surprise surprise: rioting
Can you talk a little bit about what would happen to US military assets , especially submarines when the war starts ? Can you also address the power vacuum around the world?
All it would take is one woke Sergeant enforcing their woke Generals ideas. It's not so much the politicians it's that MSgt. The enlisted men will do what they're told.
I would also add, that the vast majority of SNCO's in combat arms have a very similar world view, and they would be a force multiplier for anti-woke action. Not only will junior soldiers look to follow their lead, but they occupy many similar roles in civvy street once retired, so will have similar influence in many parts of civil society. There are a vast number of retired SNCO's who are now middle to late middle aged grandparents. Threaten their grandkids at your peril.
Becasue of what happened after Jan 6th thing are gonna change in terms of how the right reacts. The JAN 6 witch hunters have changed the mentality of many on the right. It’s going to be nasty
@@Kontact-wy1pbprobably the spirit of the American project. After ww2 we got a different kind of patriotism based on world police global exceptionalism Americana
what about the prospect of special operations communities attempting a power grab themselves during a time of crisis such as a break down in society? they could act more heavy handed against the populous than the current power structure and have the "street credit" within the military to pursuade the normal troops to follow orders.
Yea. The military isnt coming to the rescue of the federal government, especially when the paychecks arent coming. The national guard guys might hang around to protect some governors, but yea, everyone is gonna run for the hills if SHTF. “ I am a United States Sailor. I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and I will obey the orders of those appointed over me. I represent the fighting spirit of the Navy and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world. I proudly serve my country's Navy combat team with Honor, Courage and Commitment. I am committed to excellence and the fair treatment of all.”
In My humble opinion. It looks to me like the USA will not make the needed changes to get to peace from it's internal political processes , This indicates the source of change will be external. When deciding to confront the best armed most powerful countries the chances for our success are very limited.
I have Zero idea what you are talking about! "This indicates the source of change will be external." What are you Blathering about? "the chances for our success are very limited." eneique, who is 'our'? the US, Putin or American rebels?
@@louislinsley3128 Once the USA provokes a Nuclear war with Russia and or China we wont be thinking about Left and right in America. Only who is alive and who is dead.
MonsuierZ is a What If Scenario channel so up until recently he's been taking a look at both sides of it but recently has been trying to take a realistic view of it but as he isn't experienced in these fields he always defaults to stats and numbers as if they are place holders for real peoples reactions As for what will happen the only thing Americans have shown to spill blood for is anything to do with that connects money and power and who will control it.
Question. The leading candidate of " the opposition party" , Trump , so far, is not jailed , but he is spending his time wandering from court to court room on bogus charges , he isn't campaigning , is the electoral process in America fair and free ?
Trump's legal problems are Years in His making.. "Fair and Free"? DJT actively Chose to do what He Has Done. "No one is Above The LAW" right? Is it 'fair' for a convicted felon to have to run his Presidential campaign from a jail cell? Welp, that'd be A First! wait and see.. "bogus charges" gimme a Break! 91 Charges!? thoughts?
"Fair and Free"? That depends on; do you believe in the US Constitution and The Rule of LAW? DJT tried to overthrow the last presidential election and caused a riot at the US capital, there was loss of Life in that. 91 felony charges against DJT, and more on the way? ' on bogus charges"?! Gimme a Break!
The fact that big navies are obsolete in modern warfare, that time might be very near. What good is a billion dollar ship when it can be taken out by a naval drone costing mere thousands of dollars? The USA is going to wake up one day and realize your military isn't as powerful as Americans seem to think. America spends too much of it's budget on R&D and not on manufacturing infrastructure. The USA couldn't even keep pace with the expendature that would be required for a peer to peer conflict. Those are facts.
I believe peaceful secession is possible. The Constitution gives States the right to call a constitutional convention. It just takes one state legislature to pass a resolution calling for one to get the ball rolling. Texas, anyone?
That’s basically when the civil war starts. It doesn’t matter if it’s perfectly legal media will spin it and attach stories of domestic terrorism to it and nobody will support it federally
Your claim that 70%-95% of soldiers in combat arms role are their for ideological reasons (and not the benefits) seems incredible high. I am not an US-citizen, thought. Doesnt mean your general statement is wrong. Isnt it more that people of a specific political ideology drift towards specific jobs. You can be a plumber with very strong political views (probably also more on the right), but are a plumber for the money.
A lesson in civics... The US Constitution Mandates a national postal service. Ok? BUT the USPS is a 'private company' whose budget is overseen by the US Congress. private, savi?
I look at a guy like Jocko Willink and he seems as left as can be (not saying he is). Jocko is a decorated former US Navy SEAL. Where would a guy like him stand if a 2nd civil war happened? Guys like Tim Kennedy, Marcus Lutrrell, Rob O'Neill etc are 100% on the right but some guys are in between. Man, I wouldn't want the US airforce to fall in the wrong hands in such an event.
Sounds like your head is all full of thoughts of Davydoff!!!!!!! Take a vacation. Maybe you can... go see Davydoff! Anyway, your potato has been baking too long.
Whatever. One phone call and the traffic through Panama ends. Then we'll see how good the US NAVY is around the South American Horn. I bet you'd be tired of getting sunk by Submarines because the trip is long and the sea is deep. They call it an Ocean asshole. Figure out a way to get along and never tell me what the fuck to do.
What many people do not realize is the majority of soldiers will be loyal to our constitution. If the federal government gives soldiers unlawful orders to act against US citizens outside of the constitution of the USA... they will not comply. There is no debating that fact, it is an absolute fact that the vast majority of soldiers will uphold the constitution they were sworn to protect. Another huge factor is the armed citizenry. Just the state of Texas has over 1 million armed hunters. Our country has a massive number of people who own and can shoot high caliber scoped rifles. The number is many times greater than the size of our military. An armed citizenry is one of the things that makes the USA unique. I assure you all enemies of the USA are aware of this fact and just how powerful a deterrent to tyranny it could be.
Right now there are thousands of Border Patrol Agents that are facilitating child s3x trafficking and human smuggling...RIGHT NOW. Look at all the cops that arrested innocent Americans during covid?! You are delusional if you think the majority of soldiers and cops uphold the Constitution. There will be a small percentage, but thats it.
@@DurtyDog No, they will be loyal to their oaths. I have many current and former military buddies and every single one of them regardless of rank or branch says same thing; they will be loyal to their oath to uphold the constitution. If a government asks them to do anything against citizens that goes against our constitution, it will be a no go.
The police is a force whose members have no honor, honesty, attitude, opinion, ideals... they work exclusively for money and are capable of doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING against the people and anyone else to preserve the ruling set... the police are basically there to keeps the government from the people. The army is the complete opposite of the police... the army came from the people, it stands with the people and its task is to protect the people, not the government, and it is based on honor, honesty, ideals... and the members of the army have an attitude and their own opinion, and what is most important, they do not follow blindly but decide!
Though I would like to believe what you believe I have to throw you a face full of cold water. Monseur is right. You are using isolated instances to support your reasoning. Most military and feds got the jab. Those that didn’t were put out. The combat arms of today is not the combat arms of 3 years ago. Local agencies have become so dependent on the federal dollar that they will fall in line. A real world example is immigration. Local populations see money that is spent on illegals, raise concerns, are ignored by their elected officials who then collect millions of dollars from the federal government and speaker Johnson. I guarantee that a government employee who is vested in retirement and being paid well is going to sacrifice that much money only to get some low paying job in the private sector. Get your head on straight and get off the hopium
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At this point, there is not much difference between right or left in the governing class of America
There is. It is a real and absolute divide that has morphed into a zero sum game
@@therealVOR When it comes to the MIA, they're basically on the page. Even on immigration, it's only a small minority of Republican legislators who want to see something done.
the Dims sent their farm team to get GOP seats
@@therealVOR What left? USA barely had a left even back in the 1980s.
And today? It's a complete JOKE calling the democrats "left".
@@therealVOR Because? You don't believe in any Negotiated agreement?
Boobie, what you need is a Dictator. Right?
My cop friend tells me that once police begin taking casualties, they are out of the fight. Police allegiance is first to their pensions and pay and second to their employers.
Out of the fight as in ceasing to fight altogether or taking sides? Do you think some cops would go rogue and form their own militia?
Yeah, there are some PDs that aren't properly trained or diligent.. Like during the Uvalde Robb Elementary School mass killing. An hour and a HALF? Children's Screams, Bang, Bang, BANG! No Response?
An hour and a HALF?
Your cop friend is probably like one of those cowards..
But, most cops that I have known, Are Not like That!
@@unclefester831most are already rogue these days.
Exactly, I heard the same thing. Its just a job. No loyalty to the badge
@@louislinsley3128😂😂😂😂 you'll see, sadly you'll be disappointed
I believe the issue with the Texas National Guard and the border is evidence enough to prove your point.
I can tell you from experience, there are many gays in governmental agencies. I would say they tend to be left. This should not be ignored.
How would they get their HIV medication in the event of collapse? It’s a complex medical regime
@@therealVOR Yeah, the Voice of Q says the gay question is 'complex'!?
Like "all gay people should Die!"? haha
@@therealVOR lmao so true, but so funny
Wtf do it matter if gays are in the govt or anywhere... You are just spewing devisive hate speech talking points
@@therealVORvery hateful. Very disgusting. I would hope to not be on any side with haters like that
I would also point out that like Missouri during the Civil War, New Jersey during the Revolutionary War pitted neighbors against each other. Private grievances became the reason to attack neighbors in the chaos and not politics. There is nothing civil in a civil war.
That's the very reason why civil wars are the bloodiest and most vicious of all types of wars.
I live in kansas, bunch of self righteous losers, I easily imagine them as blood thirsty cowards attacking random unaffiliated Missourri farmers in their despicable zeal and running back here to hide
We are far from a civil war. We have a prosperous rich and powerful nation. No one wants to fight a civil war. Except maybe VoR.
We were more divided in late 60’s early 70’s.
More people need to know what was happening in that time period instead of thinking it was a couple peaceful marches and someone not moving on a bus
I think you’re out of touch
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And I think you are. Time will tell
Nothing ever happens vibes
I think your right although I believe it’s in the works. Just wait for the depression to come of the 20’s and 30’s.
MZ actually compares a 2nd American Civil War to the Bolshevik Revolution. In how a well-connected network of Cities can be more capable than a disorganized countryside.
He didn’t factor that America’s countryside is the one with the guns. The Bolsheviks & Urbanites were the ones who had better access to guns. You can argue “but my F-35s make it impossible”, but Afghanistan tells me otherwise…
Historically, a peasant rebellion never wins. The rebellion must have the support of a dissident faction of the elite. The Greens of the Russian revolution outnumbered the Reds and Whites, yet didn't seize power because they just wanted to be left alone in their home provinces.
@@ctrlaltdebugValid points. However, MZ made this point in a RUclips short, with no other context from the original video.
There is room to argue that enough of our Elites might be seeing the error of their ways, in a few short years. The rejection of Israeli interests by American youth might push some of our Elites to side with Conservative factions, who by contrast have blindly supported Israeli interests in recent history. Even the delusion that they can keep control if Conservatives can be utilized might be enough to wrestle back control. At the very least least, we would have an Elite that thinks we have a right to exist…
"F-35"
*DIY SAM missiles from 3d printers from L Shang has entered the chat*
Great points! To add to the whole F-35 argument, ask yourself this, where are they physically based out of? Red counties or blue counties? Another thing you need to take into account is the maintenance and spare parts, as well as the logistics necessary for that.
It is common knowledge that the American MIC is spread out all over the country (in part to create jobs in various congressional districts). As a consequence, something as complicated as an F-16 (forget the F-35), will have components from 100 different places, across 20 different states. Mind you, the F-16 needs 19 hours of maintenance per hour flown. In a hypothetical scenario where you have different factions across a huge territory fighting each other, how are you going to deliver those spare parts from one end of that territory, to another?
Because in such a scenario, I promise you that you won’t be able to just get in your car and drive, get on the interstate, and drive a few states over. There will be roadblocks and checkpoints every few dozen miles.
In fact, as a former truck driver and truck dispatcher, I can tell you that the whole commercial logistics system in the continental US is fragile to say the least. In the winter, there is only ONE 100% safe route from east to west (I-10).
What if blue states open their armories and hand out M27s to BLM? Do not underestimate the Left. They can be absolutely vicious.
Because the only two places where Hellfire missiles are developed are in right leaning counties in right leaning states.
Unfortunately I see the vast majority of U.S. citizens just going along with whatever they’re told. I was in the infantry for 9 years and what you said about them, in my experience, is correct but I would say that it doesn’t matter. Command will just find someone else to do it that doesn’t care.
You assume their lifestyle would not change. An extreme change in lifestyle (such as hunger ) will change that dynamic
@@therealVOR that’s true but I just don’t see it getting to that point for them. I think they’ll act long before it gets to that point. Something is happening right now. We have an illegitimate government and for some reason everyone is ok with that
@@therealVOR Even if the rural folk go up in arms, they will mostly stay local. Peasant revolts never win without power hungry elite leaders because left to their own devices they just want to be left alone.
@@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn, everyone is scared from consequences. Big difference. US is not the same 40y ago . Sorry but most of americans is more scared to confront with the government vs be poor and hungry. Thats what US government do last 20y. Make great country to 3rd level country. "Land of the free" ..... What freedom? Cant see any freedom in US . I was grow up to believe that USA is best place to live in all world . Now I'm discussing with what is happening in USA.
@@therealVOR Good luck with your hunger theme.. You're living in the Most Successful Economy in THE World!
Get a grip.
Obviously, it's NATCA - the US air traffic controllers association, which comprises of 20,000 highly skilled engineers and radar technicians. Ironically, they did suffer at the behest of the former POTUS, Ronald Reagan, but they are still very conservative.
Of the 600+ overseas US military bases, roughly 90% would consider themselves to be, not right-wing, but very loyal to Donald Trump, and Trump knows this.
Both of my sisters dated American military staffers here in the UK. Near to London, one is located at *Eastcote, Middlesex, and the other in St John's Wood, London. (where the latter is more an administrative complex). At both locations, they refused to take down portraits of George Bush even after he had lost the US election.
There are roughly 3,000,000 US military personnel serving overseas. If a civil conflict broke out in the US, it would take roughly three months of mobilisation to return roughly about half a million **US military personnel back to mainland America.
Unlike the US based military personnel - who could be immediately locked out of their Barracks and denied access to military hardware.
Unlike the returning US military personnel who are trained to be a pre-emptive force with readily available inventory.
We must remember that it was the British that blockaded all US ports twice in their history (in the Revolutionary War and the war of 1812 - 15)
Such blockades can be easily implemented again in today's America, on both sides, by returning US Naval Pro-Trump affiliates where Democrat Cities - which are mainly Coastal with a much higher density.
If a Civil War broke out, Republican states would be at an advantage because they form a contiguous land mass spanning from the East Coast (Florida) to the Pacific and the Northern border regions (Canada) down to the Gulf of Mexico.
Country folk also have the "military" skills to perform tasks similar to sappers, field servicing mechanics, and seige engineers ie servicing a Abrams tank would not be very different from servicing a combine harvester.
Hence Democrat run Cities could easily be surrounded and cut off from valuable resources by a highly efficient pro-trump demographic.
Let's hope it never happens.
Another Alternate history Channel that sort of delved into this is Whatifalthist. Maybe someone did bring it up, but yeah he was leaning a bit more on the right winning the civil war in many aspects. Though one thing to consider is the rural urban divide as it is. The right has a lot of individualist mentality and more prepared for combat with stockpiling and general aptitude in general relative to city dwelling folk. Though the coastal cities and their ports have all better access to external support way more than the interior, urban factions. A sort of logistical stranglehold may arise (i.e the Anaconda Plan) where all fronts may be engaged and the right is more likely to be landlocked. It will be very complicated and factions in cities may split too. Foreign actors may come into play, as did the french and English which had ambitions depending on which side would win.
I no longer wish to be 'left alone'
Now I wanna WIN and take REVENGE
Wow! An academic who has no idea what they’re talking about? Color me shocked. 😳
It depends on how the war starts. If it starts as a foreign military offensive on US soil followed by a crack down on US Citizens who enter the fray, the military will already be in the field and fighting inside the US and at this point they will likely follow the current leadership.
A foreign incursion into America will never happen. It’s literally impossible. The US geographically speaking, is impervious to a troop invasion on the scale needed to have any chance of success.
I think it is more like the people of this country needs to get rid of the government causing the problems .
Removing the government would inevitably result in half the population not accepting the removal, or not accepting the replacement. Everything seems to point towards a divorce or a civil war. Irrespective of what or how a resolution happens, it would take 2 or 3 generations for the population to stop hating each other.
Everyone who engages in a civil war agrees with this comment, from every side. Do you realize that both BLM and MAGA agree we can't trust our elections or the justice system?
@@greorbowlfinder7078 yes, but one is NOT like the other
I propose a cyclical dictatorship/senatorial democracy
1 year of dictatorship to railroad everything then it flips to a senatorial democracy
All the states are dissolved into a triarchy one big southern territory and an east west split
Each territory has a senator, governor and a sheriff
A parallel police force that gets air wings of jets and another militia force that also gets the same amount of weapons, jets whatever that keep each other in check
Practice hyper isolationism and end all Neo colonialism and restore all foreign ties following Chinas model of business first
@@Npc1488-wc1kf
No but both are extremists at opposite ends of the political spectrum.
This war is inevitable and it is going to be absolutely brutal
. . . but long overdue💀🇺🇸
@@Steve-qt9ce while I agree with you on principal I have children now that are too young to defend themselves. Watching the war in Ukraine shows how devastating a civil war would be. I just don’t think most people realize how destructive a war would actually be
The battle lines will be racial and ideological.
@@BearFlagRebel I agree completely
@@BearFlagRebel I disagree about racial. Skin color has very little to do with any future civil war. It will be based on ideological opposites. No need to spell them out here, everyone sees the divisions building in this country. They are not based on skin color but on philosophy and what the role of government both state and federal should be.
Your analogy is 100% correct regarding the possible outcome.
Excellent. I am the viewer who commented on previous video, thank you.
You have assessed MZ correctly as an acedemic, but I think that is his real voice 😁.
First time I listened to him was today
@@therealVORHe’s another one of those Alternate-History nerds who started tapping into Political Commentary when they ran out of scenarios to make videos on. Real person, but *very* bookish.
Yet you commented on 'MZ' Even though you thought he was an AI Bot?! What The WHAT?
@@louislinsley3128 I didn't think MZ is an AI bot, you are clearly confused.
@@AS-hz8cv I was quoting The Voice of Putin.. talk to him. ok?
"Iran gave its all"...the voice of bullsh!t
God, I don't know where he gets this crap. It's like the part of his brain that deals with the Mideast is the size of a pea.
It's unlikely a Civil War could be "won" in any meaningful way. Go ask the Rwandans, Yugoslavs, Libyans and Syrians.
I work at VA and I refused to take it. I didn’t lose my job.
Sir, been viewing you for a while, your information and logic is badass, remember the guck method, where are the oath, warrior s 😅🔥 🔥 🔥
November is the point of decision for many. A lot of people are waiting to see if we can actually vote our way out without conflict. IMO, no matter who wins in November, one side will not accept it, and there will be violence. We are too far gone and no matter which trajectory we take, half of the country will deem it unbearable. I dont see an offramp.
Trump was too tolerant
Glen Tate best showed this theory in his book series "299 Days". The military was split, with the primary combat units siding with political right.
We saw that happen when a currency entered into hyperinflation
I hope you are right but most just follow orders like the police.
Again, the whole thing changes with the collapse of the economy, look at early 30s Germany
It can't get that bad though....
@@mayachico9766 It absolutely can, look at every empire in history as it fell after declaring that they were eternal. Every Chinese dynasty, the European empires, Rome itself.
@@mayachico9766Within the last 3 months , some youtubers record videos of walking major cities like san fran , san jose, sacramento, Los Angeles that show a state of collapse that is mind blowing. Occasionally, law enforcement vehicles blaze by, but the images appear so stark as to come out of a dark age.
Because we got all the heaters.
I been having cars in pairs constantly and same cars returning ..ON A back rd .where traffic is not this high..im 25 miles n North of Travis Air Base..Calif .last few days..when that slows .a helecopter or a plane takes turns. Constantly in the air .
Chill out ffs
Ive always found it kinda strange that the split between Rep.s & Dem.s is like a 50/50 split. How in the world did our programmers do that!!
Civil war yeah right 🤣🤣🤣
Hey Military and Foreign Affairs network, can you do something addressing the concern that foreign countries could get involved in a way that matters and tips the scale and show why that fear, while reasonable, won't change the outcome anymore than America and Europe's intervention in Ukraine.
It's ashamed to see the(one day)greatest power,going down for their own mistakes.
But that's the way the world was created, nothing last forever, sadly.
Unless it never happens there can be no victory
I love mr z but yeah he dropped the ball on that one
Retention numbers are also in the water so if simply nothing happens the army still gets smaller and smaller
Wrong. 27 countries showed up to help Syria fight it's civil war. We can expect at least that many to help Americans fight each other. If we have a civil war our grand kids are all learning mathematics being taught in Mandarin left, right, or center. It won't be a two sided war. You can expect at least 30 different internal factions to pop up in America with at least that many countries showing up to help them all fight each other. You have no idea what is coming. The Chinese and Russians might even pick opposite sides and have us fight each other for 20 years just to prove a point. If we have a civil war, other people will pick your destiny no matter what side you think you're on.
Better to be taught Mandarin than LGBTQAIP sex acts in grade school.
Wrong! This war will be the result of the global economic/currency collapse thus EVERY nation, except Russia who has Seperated themselves from the SWIFT system and is self sufficient, will be in their own wars.
@@teesbytom6232 Don't forget China, they're well on the way to cutting economic ties with the West.
Wrong. America is the one that supported Syria the most so much so that what those 26 other countries contributed was comparatively worthless. Furthermore, those other 26 countries are mostly European, and they've been running on empty supporting Ukraine. There's not really a whole lot they can contribute, especially because of the problem of trans-oceanic supply lines because America is a lot further away than Syria is. In short, WE are the piggy bank and the ones who meddle, and there's not a whole lot even the Russians and Chinese could do except back the winner, and they scale much higher than those 26 other countries that supported Syria.
Brilliant
Love your channel because it’s so honest. What is your assessment of the current effectiveness of the US military? How would they fare in a war between Russia or China? 12:06 BTW If you calculate total US debt to GDP ( public and private in the US it is less today than the mid 1980’s. The US government can and will do ever more fiscal spending. When you have the world reserve currency you can do what you like. There is no alternative to the US dollar and won’t be for a long time. The US really is an historic exception that won’t disappear easily.
You’re way out of the loop by 30 years or so
Really the only question is, where will the demilitarized zone be…
Combat arms are the cream of the crop
The conservatives would 100% win. It would literally be blouses vs. tops. 😊
You really think its that? Never underestimate your enemy
When the proud boys marched, the riots stopped.
And they got infiltrated and given prison sentences. WOW what a success
and where are they now? Behind bars...the same place Trump will be....BWA HA HA
actually there was even more rioting and several of them went to jail for assault and weapons offenses... then there was the fiasco rioting of Jan 6 for which several more pride boys went to prison for conspiracy and,,, surprise surprise: rioting
Can you talk a little bit about what would happen to US military assets , especially submarines when the war starts ? Can you also address the power vacuum around the world?
No one truly knows who is not planning on the inside.
That's a Qanon fever dream!
Its a good thing... That the teams refused..
All it would take is one woke Sergeant enforcing their woke Generals ideas. It's not so much the politicians it's that MSgt. The enlisted men will do what they're told.
They would get rid of him
@@therealVOR I hope you are right
@@therealVOR Boobie, the Strength of the US military is in its NONCOMs! Never happen.
I would also add, that the vast majority of SNCO's in combat arms have a very similar world view, and they would be a force multiplier for anti-woke action.
Not only will junior soldiers look to follow their lead, but they occupy many similar roles in civvy street once retired, so will have similar influence in many parts of civil society.
There are a vast number of retired SNCO's who are now middle to late middle aged grandparents. Threaten their grandkids at your peril.
Not so sure about that. I've served in gov agency also and half my shop would be the guy on your door step to confiscate to keep pay and FERS.
Becasue of what happened after Jan 6th thing are gonna change in terms of how the right reacts. The JAN 6 witch hunters have changed the mentality of many on the right. It’s going to be nasty
@@therealVOR Get your point, also question what does patriotic mean these days? Patriot to when, now? before?
@@Kontact-wy1pbprobably the spirit of the American project. After ww2 we got a different kind of patriotism based on world police global exceptionalism Americana
Northern California better make plans. for a separate state or you will end up being communist.
State of Jefferson!!
Yes they better because the richest state in the union is a communist state lol
what's your thoughts on soldier replacement by immigrants do you believe they might actually fire on Americans if ordered to?
I’m an army veteran and I believe they are waiting for the orders from Xi.
I agree when it comes to low ranking soldiers, however, in my experience, all of the generals that I know are extremely woke
FJB
FJB, FDT, FTP, FTT
what about the prospect of special operations communities attempting a power grab themselves during a time of crisis such as a break down in society? they could act more heavy handed against the populous than the current power structure and have the "street credit" within the military to pursuade the normal troops to follow orders.
There would need to be a catalyst
Most likely the intelligence agencies which are an arm of the globalist elite will grab even more power.
@@therealVOR Yes, in Voice of Putin's Si-Fi world.
Bravo! Good observations! Let's believe in our visctory!
I think he is talking about the SEALS.
Rural vs Urban.
Hooverville? ....
Yea. The military isnt coming to the rescue of the federal government, especially when the paychecks arent coming. The national guard guys might hang around to protect some governors, but yea, everyone is gonna run for the hills if SHTF.
“ I am a United States Sailor.
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America
and I will obey the orders of those appointed over me.
I represent the fighting spirit of the Navy and those who have gone before me
to defend freedom and democracy around the world.
I proudly serve my country's Navy combat team with Honor, Courage and Commitment.
I am committed to excellence and the fair treatment of all.”
Imagine anyone risking their life for pelosi to escape lmao
Utah saints... something good
Post office
In My humble opinion. It looks to me like the USA will not make the needed changes to get to peace from it's internal political processes , This indicates the source of change will be external. When deciding to confront the best armed most powerful countries the chances for our success are very limited.
Not so quick.
The enemy of your enemy is your FREIND.
@@deanhambrick6467 Hmmm Well Russia and China are Friends so what friend do we have that can beat Russia China Iran and N Korea all at once?
I have Zero idea what you are talking about! "This indicates the source of change will be external."
What are you Blathering about?
"the chances for our success are very limited." eneique, who is 'our'? the US, Putin or American rebels?
@@louislinsley3128 Once the USA provokes a Nuclear war with Russia and or China we wont be thinking about Left and right in America. Only who is alive and who is dead.
MonsuierZ is a What If Scenario channel so up until recently he's been taking a look at both sides of it but recently has been trying to take a realistic view of it but as he isn't experienced in these fields he always defaults to stats and numbers as if they are place holders for real peoples reactions
As for what will happen the only thing Americans have shown to spill blood for is anything to do with that connects money and power and who will control it.
Question. The leading candidate of " the opposition party" , Trump , so far, is not jailed , but he is spending his time wandering from court to court room on bogus charges , he isn't campaigning , is the electoral process in America fair and free ?
Trump's legal problems are Years in His making..
"Fair and Free"? DJT actively Chose to do what He Has Done. "No one is Above The LAW" right?
Is it 'fair' for a convicted felon to have to run his Presidential campaign from a jail cell?
Welp, that'd be A First! wait and see..
"bogus charges" gimme a Break! 91 Charges!?
thoughts?
"Fair and Free"? That depends on; do you believe in the US Constitution and The Rule of LAW?
DJT tried to overthrow the last presidential election and caused a riot at the US capital, there was loss of Life in that.
91 felony charges against DJT, and more on the way? ' on bogus charges"?! Gimme a Break!
It will start after us major defeat at sea when a fleet is lost
The fact that big navies are obsolete in modern warfare, that time might be very near. What good is a billion dollar ship when it can be taken out by a naval drone costing mere thousands of dollars? The USA is going to wake up one day and realize your military isn't as powerful as Americans seem to think. America spends too much of it's budget on R&D and not on manufacturing infrastructure. The USA couldn't even keep pace with the expendature that would be required for a peer to peer conflict. Those are facts.
I believe peaceful secession is possible. The Constitution gives States the right to call a constitutional convention. It just takes one state legislature to pass a resolution calling for one to get the ball rolling. Texas, anyone?
Yeah? Well, what happened in 1861? Everything went OK?
Hahaha.
That’s basically when the civil war starts. It doesn’t matter if it’s perfectly legal media will spin it and attach stories of domestic terrorism to it and nobody will support it federally
Your claim that 70%-95% of soldiers in combat arms role are their for ideological reasons (and not the benefits) seems incredible high. I am not an US-citizen, thought. Doesnt mean your general statement is wrong. Isnt it more that people of a specific political ideology drift towards specific jobs. You can be a plumber with very strong political views (probably also more on the right), but are a plumber for the money.
What is going happen to black budget reverse engineering uap/ ufo.?? I disagree with your opinion because dosen't explains whole picture
The former united states of America 😂
Postal service was exempt!
More were exempt than reported
A lesson in civics... The US Constitution Mandates a national postal service. Ok?
BUT the USPS is a 'private company' whose budget is overseen by the US Congress. private, savi?
Looks like there is no topic you won’t go to, to get clicks VoR. Most of your viewers are not Americans if you have not already realized it.
Voice of Putin don't care... clicks are clicks. RUclips clicks=$. full stop.
I look at a guy like Jocko Willink and he seems as left as can be (not saying he is). Jocko is a decorated former US Navy SEAL. Where would a guy like him stand if a 2nd civil war happened? Guys like Tim Kennedy, Marcus Lutrrell, Rob O'Neill etc are 100% on the right but some guys are in between. Man, I wouldn't want the US airforce to fall in the wrong hands in such an event.
The rainbow 🌈 insanity has triggered a sleeping giant
@@therealVOR 100%
Hope you are right.
Government agency "CIA"??????
Why would you not tell us the agency that's crazy.
The care takers of Jeff E
@@therealVOR huh? secret info?
2:19 LOL
you obviously aren’t connected to reality
Sounds like your head is all full of thoughts of Davydoff!!!!!!! Take a vacation. Maybe you can... go see Davydoff!
Anyway, your potato has been baking too long.
Whatever. One phone call and the traffic through Panama ends. Then we'll see how good the US NAVY is around the South American Horn. I bet you'd be tired of getting sunk by Submarines because the trip is long and the sea is deep. They call it an Ocean asshole. Figure out a way to get along and never tell me what the fuck to do.
What many people do not realize is the majority of soldiers will be loyal to our constitution. If the federal government gives soldiers unlawful orders to act against US citizens outside of the constitution of the USA... they will not comply. There is no debating that fact, it is an absolute fact that the vast majority of soldiers will uphold the constitution they were sworn to protect. Another huge factor is the armed citizenry. Just the state of Texas has over 1 million armed hunters. Our country has a massive number of people who own and can shoot high caliber scoped rifles. The number is many times greater than the size of our military. An armed citizenry is one of the things that makes the USA unique. I assure you all enemies of the USA are aware of this fact and just how powerful a deterrent to tyranny it could be.
😂😂😂 they'll be loyal to the bread. Hunger is a great motivator
Right now there are thousands of Border Patrol Agents that are facilitating child s3x trafficking and human smuggling...RIGHT NOW. Look at all the cops that arrested innocent Americans during covid?! You are delusional if you think the majority of soldiers and cops uphold the Constitution. There will be a small percentage, but thats it.
@@DurtyDog No, they will be loyal to their oaths. I have many current and former military buddies and every single one of them regardless of rank or branch says same thing; they will be loyal to their oath to uphold the constitution. If a government asks them to do anything against citizens that goes against our constitution, it will be a no go.
The police is a force whose members have no honor, honesty, attitude, opinion, ideals... they work exclusively for money and are capable of doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING against the people and anyone else to preserve the ruling set... the police are basically there to keeps the government from the people.
The army is the complete opposite of the police... the army came from the people, it stands with the people and its task is to protect the people, not the government, and it is based on honor, honesty, ideals... and the members of the army have an attitude and their own opinion, and what is most important, they do not follow blindly but decide!
Speed up your information and talking. Way too long to get a point out of your mouth.
the kope lol. the right needs a /TKD/
This sounds dumb
Though I would like to believe what you believe I have to throw you a face full of cold water. Monseur is right. You are using isolated instances to support your reasoning. Most military and feds got the jab. Those that didn’t were put out. The combat arms of today is not the combat arms of 3 years ago. Local agencies have become so dependent on the federal dollar that they will fall in line. A real world example is immigration. Local populations see money that is spent on illegals, raise concerns, are ignored by their elected officials who then collect millions of dollars from the federal government and speaker Johnson. I guarantee that a government employee who is vested in retirement and being paid well is going to sacrifice that much money only to get some low paying job in the private sector. Get your head on straight and get off the hopium
Doesn’t matter foreign countries will support proxies against the legacy government nobody likes the Neo colonial relic