India will have to buy Su57 ? (Last Resort)
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Sad thing is, instead of matching strength with China, we are still competing with Pakistan. It shows how near sighted our decision makers are.
Instead of spooking Pakistan, we are getting spooked by them!!!!!
Its sad to see IAF is suffering so much due to indeciveness or lack of will to improve.
Actually the US is trying to derail our self sufficient initiative by slowing down supply of engines. Unless we have our own engine ready quickly we will be forced to look for alternative and buy a 5th Gen fighter. Its not about Pak acquiring a 5th gen aircraft, its the confidence a 5th gen provides, making Pak grow bolder in creating massive terror attacks inside India as they will know, that we lack air power. Also as our defence export grow, its eating into the profits of EU and US monopoly in defence export. They are not getting contracts from India and other minor contracts to Indian companies, which even though is very less at the moment, if not checked could potentially be an issue for them in the future.
Pakistan Airforce is way better than ours. Even with the limited resources their outcome is top notch and they look pretty professional from outside. Just think that they had F-16 fighter jet way before we got our Sukhois such was our planning. Our IAF is filled with arrogant and rascal officers who think they are superior but the reality is totally opposite. PAF is inducting 5th gen fighter jets now , even though there is a big question mark on their reliability but their thinking is clear and once the fighter jets will get inducted then they will get to know the problems and plan accordingly.
@@saurabhrai5461yes beacuse we are trying to develop indigenously and they are importing it's like saying nato countries are better than china beacuse they get F35 from usa before china develop j20 indigenously
@@saurabhrai5461 Bro, you need to dig in to the history to understand on how they got the F-16 and we did not. India was denied the F-16 by the US and were given to Pak instead because they needed them to land their troops in Afg to hunt for Bin Laden. India had no choice but to go to Russia and buy the Sukhoi. Now how do you think they are getting the 5th Gen? Its being donated by the Chinese for time being. They know if a war broke out with India in future, Pak would be helpful to split the Indian air force.....
sai bola bheedu
The proposal in 2007, a decision was taken to acquire 114 aircrafts under MRFA
MRFA -Mazaak Role Fighter Aircraft.....😂😂
Mrca to mrfa 🤦🏻
😂😂😂
both of them-
Mazaak role fighter aircaft 😂
MRCA -126 in 2007
MRFA-114 in 2019
Mrfa means modi ne roka fighter aircraft
2007 se batchit hi chal rhi hai qki dalali km mil rhi h
It just boils down to beggars can’t be choosers. Bharat has been reduced to this level by IAF wanting only foreign products and government not investing hard in and pushing Kaveri programme right from 2014. You have a clear understanding from this situation of what happens when the priorities are not identified and pushed hard in long-lead developments, such as engine tech
Kavery project is not easy. We do not have testing facilities for engines not even flying testbeds. Failure of govt and not IAF's. IAF want 5th gen immediately so best option is SU57 which will come with no attached condition or kill switch. Engine is produced by only four countries three of whom fought WWs so their defence industry is hundreds of years.
Chal be chujiye, saale Isi govt. ne fir se kaveri engine ki funding start ki.
Pakistan and u r the beggers
@@KaushikSarkar-uo2lt yes absolutely true.
@@KaushikSarkar-uo2lt maker of aero-engines five countries USA, France, United Kingdom, Russia, china (even if it happens to be in many cases reverese enginered Or a copy).
Conspiracy theory :- IAF already have Su-57, just like Mig-25 it's a secret 😂
💀🙏
Bingo bro😂😂 babu lobby of india ,lusty politicians of india will make our country Pakistan soon they busy in chuppa to USA
It's not 1980s bro
NASA,USAF,NRO, ESA,CNSA, have more than 10 satellites at each Indian bases
@@miralam2582in your dreams 😂😂😂😂
@@miralam2582padh ke aa pahle
Minimum 36 no's of Su 57 is an urgent requirement for IAF as a stopgap arrangement.
In next five years, Minimum bhi Nahi Milna
No need of more fighter jets rather go for Development of Shahed 136 like drones , Kusha air defence , Brahmos II Hypersonic , these can easily tackle cash strapped Pakistan
@@atulsi2681 Just for your info Pakistan boasts the largest collection of UCAVs, UAVs, kamikaze drones, and loitering munition. It’s almost as if we’re preparing for a drone-based Olympics-never mind that we’re just flexing our tech muscles while others are still figuring out how to spell “drone.”
@@muhammadishaq561Brahmos ake chala bhi gaya, tum logo ko pata bhi nahi chala. Lumber 1 Saar.
@@muhammadishaq561..people who are even finding it difficult to get a day's meal are talking about drones...😂😂😂😂 What the heck is wrong with you guys....far from reality...!
Enjoy your gaga land...! 😂
Why Su57:
> already we got S400
> US is unreliable partner
> Russian production line is free
> We can learn some tech for AMCA
> As Su57 is cheaper than others, it becomes an ideal option as a temporary solution
> we can get R37 or use Astra mk3
> we can use Brahmos series
Russian production line is not free. They are not able to generate funds to produce for themselves.
They wont come cheap as they are a war economy now.
We could have learnt a lot but AMCA has higher standards than Su57
Su57 is not a complete package, their engine is not fully developed.
Their stealth is not at highest level.
We are only lacking on our engine front.
All of these issues can be remedied if Russia allows us to build it in India through tech transfer. But Russia was not ready for this since the beginning of the project.
Our brilliant IAF chiefs have already rejected 5th gen fighter import and any Russian fighter jet import. Hence if negotiations start, it will be an embarrassment and may take a long long time.
Russia has itself not deployed SU57 in good numbers, itself answers why not.
IAF must have rejected it on some solid techical grounds.
> S400 is a defensive measure and it is not a failsafe.
>So, is Russia at times, when China comes into the picture, we must not rely on the mood of our allies.
>Production line is free but the operating cost isn't.
>We can't learn enough when they won't teach, no country will teach any other country the secret sauce to their product, No matter how much of an ally that country is, So, we are left with the method of hit and trial, which is going to take ages with the shortage in funding.
>In that case the Su75 would be costing much cheaper than the Su57, if temporary options are to be considered.
>Weapon Integration is fine as DRDO figures out to tweak and use the Russian and indigenous missile systems on Western platforms.
>We must use Brahmos and its derivatives.
The S-400 will be the juiciest and easiest first target for the J-31 and J-20.
Meanwhile, Astra Mk3 is still in the 'dreams and prayers' stage, BrahMos, for all the hype, is a cruise missile, not an air-to-air BVR.
Oh, and R-37? Still not in your shopping cart. And even if it were, how exactly are you planning to use the R-37, Astra Mk3, S-400, and BrahMos against a fifth-generation stealth fighter?
Good luck with that. 😂😂😂😂
ahh pakistani blood .. @@muhammadishaq561
@@angryhusky2467it is not about production line free or not, but the Su57 will come with increasingly chinese components & chipsets .. so even the Su57 will have to be indigenized significantly before induction which will waste lots of time
IAF bluntly saying they dont want to buy Russian jets was a big mistake.
Now west is arm-twisting Indian govt to achieve their goals in lieu of providing their jets for a right price.
when did IAF say this?
IAF said this for mmrca only because 272 su30 were already on order. Too much orders from a single country is not good
@@angryhusky2467no-one has heard iaf saying such things more so when they already have 13 squadrons of Russian origin su-30 mki, 3 squadrons of mig-29, 4 squadrons of now about to be retired mig-21 bison and iaf was also planing to buy 12 additional su-30 mki and an old unsued airframe based mig-29 swhose plan was obstructed due to Russia-ukraine war.
@@angryhusky2467 as far as mrfa is concerned they ruled out the possibility of buying Russian origin aircrafts as already iaf has a similar category of 272 numbers of su-30mki.
@angryhusky:
An aircraft doesn't become a "5ᵗʰ-generation" one because Sukhoi, Rostec or Russia claims it is. 😉 😂😂😂
Buying the Su-57 would take away resources needed to take the Tejas Mk-2 and AMCA forward.
Its a failure of our defense planners, MoD, and GoI. Endless discussions, with no visible movements.
Vision less discussion😅
India is not elephant any more. We are becoming old elephant now. Because, when world is moving to 6th Generation. India is still thinking to build 4th generation.
Rest in peace Indian AirPower.
What ??? Matlab kuch bhi , which country even has a prototype for 6th gen fighters? India is building its own 5.5gen fighter and there 1 or 2 countries whose 5th gen fighters have seen battle and that too very limited
@@mayankyadav1379 it’s not 5.5% Yadavji. It’s 5.5 generation. Wake up. Daydreaming is injurious to health.
@Jaimalhar786 do u have some brain damage or are u austistic didnt say 5.5% ,ive mentioned gen which is short for generation
Chinese are planning to have more than 2000 fighter jets...we are struggling to have 500 fighter jets right now.
Getting ur point but see u can not compete on numbers with China... Unki priorities or motives completely different hai from india.. Unki gdp uss hisaab se hai country k undar india jese lafde nai chal re hai they're competing with America.. So baat -baat pe china k paas itna utna karne ki zarurat nai hai.. But yes humko itna numbers rakh na hoga ki china koi b decision lene se pehle unko pata ho ke samne se b achha response ayega.. Or uske liye hume 1500 ya 2000 fighter le ke china se jyada ya unke jitne jets lene ki zarurat nai.. U just can't when samne wale ka goal hi military superpower banne ka ho... 🙄😪
dude they want to dominate the world and confront USA hence they have large number of fighter planes as for us our main priority is to defend ourselves .So as long as we have 1/3 fighter jets of china I don't think there should be any issue as most of the Chinese fighter jets will be engaged by USA and its allies like japan , taiwan etc.
Yup they will improve their kabad with trial and error and have numbers too as they have set high priorities to compete with US. Its all about determination. They are determined and want to secure themselves at all cost.
China focus on USA not India, relax
@@pedroh2435 doesn't matter where the land grabbers focus on. They are habitual offender and all their neighbours are tired of them having the paranoia that they are middle kingdom when they are only a stuck poop that everybody wants to rid off and rightfully so as they brought themselves to that situation by being a pisser on peace in the region trying to flex muscle when they should be cooperating to make Asia great. They made sure that Europe and West plan of keeping Asians in trouble to hinder their growth succeeds. How long do u think everybody would stay put to Chinese transgressions. We will build armoury and make sure chinese knows they won't survive if they keep going on grabbing land illegally like a land mafia. We also need to prepare to get back what land we lost.
Buy Su 57, Push Tejas Mk2 on backburner and prioritise TEDBF with Kaveri engines. Make more Su 30s. Only solution.
I would remove the "buy Su-57" and simply focus on producing MK1A with Kaveri and Su-30MKI (upgraded).
Su-57 is a half baked product with significant supply chain ⛓️ issues and delays awaiting which would make GE fiasco seem like a storm in a tea cup.
The other stuff like Rafale, Jaguars, Mirages and Migs can fill up the remaining gaps till TEDBF and AMCA is ready.
ORCA should be a backup plan in case the AMCA development is bungled up. It piggy backs on TEDBF so there is no reason not to.
@@user-lb8bg6kj9m Correct, at this time, we should stop focusing on so called high end quality & make do with far more quantities of what we already have & install huge numbers of ground radars across the border region to be able to track incoming stealth place every couple dozen kilometers.
@@SodiumSyndicateYour contemporary radars are practically useless against stealth fighters. Even if by some miracle you detect one, good luck getting a precise location or a lock-on. And if you somehow manage all that, you'll have so little time to react that it won’t even matter.
As for ramping up the numbers of your 4th generation jets-brilliant idea, really. After all, sending them against stealth fighters is the perfect way to ensure they don’t come back in one piece. 😂😂
@@muhammadishaq561 you did not reply to my comment that day seems like it was a lot of truth for you to digest
@@shadowjackson6135 I’m the master of my own will; I’ll comment and reply whenever I feel like it. If I don't want to, I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks or the image they’re trying to create. After all, why waste time on irrelevant opinions? Let them speculate all they want; I’ll be sitting back, enjoying my comments and the inevitable Indian replies dripping with distress and helplessness. It’s almost too entertaining.
Jab russia su 57 se complete 5th gen nahi bana paaya to ham AMCA se bana lenge, russia ke pass funds ki kami bhale thi par expertise thousand times better hai hamse. Still hamari Air Force consider hi nahi karegi bhale border secure na ho chalega.
Kab tak India bna lega... Indo china war k baad?
@@alokyadav9243 expected SLA 2045 tak ka hoga.
@@mishrashiva9543 तबतक हम हार कर कुछ राज्य जीतने वाले शत्रु को दे चुके होंगे 😂😂😂
Even Pakistan air force is doing great in term of induction of new jet while our air force is sleeping
Our defence companies....
Our government
@@i18m-gk6gi previous
Tejas, AMCA, ORCA and TEDBF ... all are standing exactly at the state where Marut Fighter was in 1960's.... India has not moved an inch in last sixty five years. Great DRDO, HAL et...🤣🤣🤣... First we should accept the fact that there is some serious flaw in our approach... then only we may move on... Otherwise we shall remain stuck on the same point forever.
The bureaucracy and political environment has plagued India since independence.
@@atiharshgupta + ussr soviet socialism hegemony in india
ORCA is already rejected by IAF as it would be outdated for that time and AMCA would make sense for them.
India should shut down DRDO and structure a new Defence Development Body with Top Scientists from IITs and RECs only.
😂 bhai hum abhi bhi bullets and rifles tak foreign country se kharid rahe hai. Fighter jets to alag level hai. hum apne khud ke thermal goggles nahi bna oa rhae jabki pakistan se aaye suar janglo me chhup jate hai our thermal goggles ke abhav me hamare search operation me bhi casuality hoti hai wo bhi in 5-10 mahino ki training karne wale suaro se. Same situation NE militants ki hai ir naxali bhi yehi krte hai. Hum apni basic need ko pura nhi kr paa rahe 70 saal se.
INDIA's airforce and defense babus has totally messed up...playing with national security..now we are stuck again with dependence on weapons and weapon systems from US and Russia
Aise hi deep analysis ki jarurat hai.
Satahi baton se sahi jankari nahi milti.❤
Su57+su75 combo as soon pak will have gen 5 jet
So we have 300chinese gen 5 jets +100pak gen 5 jet waiting to attack
So su57+su75 is the need of hour
Even if airforce recieves indegenous AMCA in large numbers,after defeat from china/pak,those amca jets will be white elephants only
Max 2 squadrons of f 31 will be deployed in Pakistan, they can't afford more squadrons even if it is 70% of j 20. And if they prequire more than that than MRFA will enough against them
@@ancientwarrior2374 no you are wrong because you don't understand islamic warfare
Pak may have shortage of food supplies but as far as gihad is concerned they will recieve significant funding from arab in the name of Islam
From tons of american foreign aid dollar they will use for defence that' their history
So don't worry about Pak weapon arsenal think about how our corrupt red tape nation be saved
@@ancientwarrior2374
4.5 gen fighter against enemy gen 5 jet?
@@ancientwarrior2374SU-57 and SU-75? Not ready, not in mass production, and you’ll have to wait years. Then there’s the whole payment issue. Oh, and let's not forget Russia is a bit preoccupied with a war, and if you do manage to buy those jets, CAATSA will come knocking.
As for Pakistan’s supposed “lack of affordability”-that’s a cute assumption. Pakistan's already buying 8 submarines, 4 frigates, 4 corvettes, 4 offshore patrol vessels, J-31s, is a partner in the KAAN project, bought J-10Cs, completed the JF-17 Block III production target, and is upgrading old JF-17s to Block III standards.
So, what more proof of affordability do you need? By the way, I can practically feel the fear, envy, and panic radiating from your comments.
@@Jackreacher123 YOU REALLY BELEIVE J-31 WHICH IS CHEAP COPY OF F-22 .
WHICH AS GOT BY CHINA AFTER CYBER ATTACK IN 2010 IS RELIABLE FIGHTER THEN WHY NEITHER GOOD COUNTRIES BUY CHINESE EQUIP IT IS BOUGHT BY COUNTRY THAT NEED CHINESE INVESTMENT.
India 2030 me 114 Rafale (F5) khareedega and 2040 me SU-57. Bhul jao AMCA, ORCA, and TEDBF ko.
Sir project 18 class destroyer per video banaye
On the track it's in development don't worry
Its really frustrating and helpless situation we are in.
It's clearly shows the non serious, lethargic, lateback attitude of Indian politician. F404, F414 deal had signed in 2019, and delivery should start from 2021, not a single engine has been delivered now on top of that no action has been taken till today despite of continuously alarm raised by previous Air chief Marshal. Current govt completely responsible for this critical situation. In addition to the worst is funding for Kaveri engine program was also discontinued till recent past.
I mean how much more these politicians will damage and compromise India's security threats😮. People such as A Anthony must be prosecuted to do act of willful negligence, deliberate delays in procurement, and playing with National security... 🤬😡🤬🤬
I think AK Anthony was about to sign the 114 Rafale Deal back in 2014, and BJP reduced it to 36..
BTW you said Present Govt...
R you smoking something 😅😅
Bro it's a clear failure of the Indian government and bureaucrats. Modi's foreign policy is a big sham. All drama with zero result.
It is not only due to politicians and bureaucrats because they are not experts but due to the IAF itself. IAF can't make any decision or have clarity.
And even it's not clear what the outcome is from the Us visit relating GE!!
We will never be Self Reliant. We have no future view. We must learn from Pakistan, it's hard but it's reality
You are right, Pakistan is your father.
what should we learn from Pakistan exactly ? They are beggars and cannon fodder for china, struggling to pay debt and boasting of drones and fighter jets isn't a show of strength, that is the sign that the country is sold bottom to top to foreign powers.
Inhance surveillance ,Attack,kamikaze Drone technology inhance robotic AI systems in military
Inke bss ki bat nhi h.. N banaege n kharidege.
Nirmala Tai Tax ke paise kaha lagayengi
@@atiharshgupta agar sb nirmala k hath me hai to fir IAF chief or defence minister rakhne ki kya jarurat.
France, Russia, US... every country is armtwisting India.
Both GOI and IAF are equally responsible for this depleting squadron strength...
Just to buy us some time -
Buy second hand Mig 29s or Mirage as a stop-gap measure.
or Produce one more squadron of Su30 MKI.
Or there is one last resort - Buy first hand or second hand F/A-18.
Not good solutions, but majburi ka naam mahatma gandhi.
💀✅👍🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your final verdict is perfect. Planning.. That's exactly weak point of our defense planners right from defense ministry to defense agencies. Of course some blame to IAF too.
भाई कम से कम 18 units फ्लाइ away condition में अगर रूस emergency me भारत को देता है और बाकी 18 units 2 या 3 साल में भी देता है तो जो अभी भारत पर eminent danger है उसका मुकाबला किया जा सकता है और प्रधानमंत्री जी इसे साकार कर सकते हैं, ऐसा मेरा manna है. जय हिन्द 🇮🇳 🇮🇳
Less focus on India and more focus on politicians has led u here, and that is not just in defence sectr.
No need to do that, it's only gonna put pressure on economic growth.
The slow and steady strategy of building amca is better than relying on other countries for next 30+ years for 5th jet requirements.
India focuses on defending and s400, Rafael, brahmos etc weapons are enough for that purpose.
ऐसा है की मोदी है नपुंसक उस से कुछ नहीं होगा सीधी बात समझो | बस ड्रामा करता है दिमाग तो सेना के अफसर और bureaucrats को ही चलाना है ना, उनकी बस की ये सब मैटर है नहीं | सब साले दलाली खाना चाहते हैं | और मोदी मोदी करना बन करदे भाई 10 साल का परफॉरमेंस बर्बाद ही है उसका | ड्रामेबाज है बस |
France kyo nahi bana raha 5 th generation. Samajh nahi aa raha. France ki delivery super fast hoti hai.
@@rawatji6604asa socche to atomic power banne ki bhi kya need thi. Ase to bola ja sakta hai ki hame tank nahi chahiye hum truck ki peeche howitzers bandh ke kam chala lenge
We should buy 2-3 squadrons of Su-57. Subodh Bhai you are saying ki Su-57 Fully 5th Generation Fighter Jet nahi hai toh J-20 kaun sa fully 5th Generation fighter jet hai iska bhi kaun sa koi proof hai hamare pass 😅
We must not underestimate the enemy. It's better to be safe than sorry.
Worst case scenario sochke chalna best rhega
Tu bahara hain kya?😅
He clearly said both fighter jets are not fully 5th gen fighters.
Bhai proof ki zaroorat nahi hoti, China got the Technology of stealth accidentally from US, I think aapko news padni cahiye.
Russia ne 22 Su 57 banaya hai aur China ne 200 J 20, agar Mal accha hai to market me zada hoga, agar Mal aacha nahi to samajh lo....
Boss logic lagao Bhagwan ne jo diya hai uska bhi use Karo...Tumahe Subodh bhaiya ki Tarah bus jo man me aaye vo mat bakte raho...🙏🙏
@@arunkumarts8279 Not fully stealth but they have specific areas stealthy, still a challenge for us.
No, we can't acquire double engine 5th generation fighter aircraft, because we are building a twin engine fighter jet AMCA. We need to acquire the su 75 checkmate which is still under development.
आपके वीडियो काफी ज्ञानवर्धक और कॉन्सेप्टुअलिज़े रहते हैं इनको देखकर काफी कुछ समझ में आता है।
At this point, our best bet is work with what we have, i.e. mass produce Tejas Mk1 and Mk1As, more Su-30 MKIs.
As for MRFA, Tejas Mk2, AMCA, let's keep the effort going but we need numbers right now.
Immediately chahiye kise😐,koi bhi India ko immediately jet nai de skta ,F35,rafale koi bhi nai,
Su57 will be the best Option 😐😐,
Kyuki Su30 mki ki manufacturing unit India mai hai,usi ko modify karke su57 license production suru kar skte hai,
Saste mai 5th gen jet mil jayega ,iska fayeda AMCA development mai help Milegi🔥
India should Russia offer that makes them to work together with india.
1. Money+future upgrades on radar to other tech.
2. Mass production low-cost.
3. Profit in sales.
@Noname123rr:
Why don't you partner with Russia?? 🤔
You'll be able to rake in all the money that accrues from sales. 😉
KF-21 from Korea for MRFA. It uses the same GE F414 as Tejas Mk2.
अरे भाई एस यु 57 की 4 या 5 squadron लेलो और unmanned Robotic objects and unmanned Flying Machines develop करो और तो और drone technologies मै महारथ हासिल करो ज्यादा मत सोचो वरना घंटा भी नही मिलेगा हार के सिवा 😂
As far as iaf immediate shortage of air to air role capable fighters are concerned Iaf should think of conferring primarily air to ground role darin-3 upgraded jagaurs wirh secondary air to air role which is already equipped with aesa -radar elm-2052 with bvr air to air missiles like astra-1 missiles and iaf jagaur are already equipped with wvr asraam air to air missile, this kind of secondary role can be used in the "homeland defense concept" Which is used In our own airspace where they will have secondary support of ground and air based air-defense systems like ground based radars, sams, ew/elint and also other air based support like awacs and interceptors to make up for the numbers to defend vital indian assets.
When iaf mig-29 which was only an air to air fighter after its upgradation now in upgraded mig-29upg version has significant secondary air to ground capabilities why the same vice versa cannot be done with predominantly air to ground role jagaurs especially now the role of avionics and weapons systems play a major role in combat aircrafts role rather than airframe design.
Even mig-21bis which was predominantly an air to air fighter after it's upgrade to mig-21 bison got significant air to ground capabilities just by the dint of avionics and weapons upgrade especially stand-off precision guided weapons lik electro optical guided air to ground munitions like kab-250/500 kr
India should import Shatap-PK7MK2B engines from Pakistan for its 6th Gen AC. These engines produce 135KN of thrust and will meet all requirements of AMCA.
It is very sad to hear that we can't manufacture a good fighter engine.we should seriously looking into this bcs kaveri engines programme is almost 50 years still not completed.
Acquirement of J31 in Pakistan Air force would be very big threat for India as India will still have to go with 4.5 gen aircrafts against them
Simple solution for now is to go with F-35 and making sure that we have all the control over it.
(We need to diplomatically handle this situation to USA and take the control for daily unlock code for f-35 for indian variant)
8 squadrons MRFA - Rafeal with assembly line in India for faster orders
Saffron for alternate option for GE 414
Transport aircrafts are also need to be increased
1 baar kitni bhi lobby ho government should work on AMCA atleast ussr aage problems to ni hongi vrna kuch time baad 6th generation ke jet ke liye fhir 7th... Aur chain continue rhegi kabhi to khud ka jet aur engine build krna padega aur yhe right time hai i don't see indo china war for next 10 years so aabhi time bhi hai tough situation se khud nikalna chaiye
Missiles do not replace aircraft. This is the reason that in any conflict with Iran, Israel will triumph, even though Iran has a huge number of missiles.
As you always says, aircraft engine is main heart of any aircraft. Why our think tanks didn't understand this basic thing developing a fighter jet engine parallely while developing the indigenous fighter jet. As we are well aware at that time we are not gonna get engine from any other foreign nations.
Total short sightedness of GoI and IAF.
The IAF seems to be planning to rely on some factors against combned threat from 5th Gen Fighters from China and Pakistan such as Long Range Stealth Detection Radars + Indeginous Air Defence Missiles in big numbers, Rafale + Modified Versions, Su30MKI's Upgraded Versions, Tejas MK2 from 2029 Onwards, Brahmos's Long Range Precision Strikes against their Air Bases, etc.
So just having 5th Gen against 5th Gen may not work in India's case when we are talking about Minimum Credible Deterrence.
US has so many 5th Gen Fighter Aircraft whereas Russia doesn't have even 10% of it. Still they are able to create deterrence.
Ukraine have no 5th Gen Fighter against Russia, who has many advanced Aircraft. Still Russia is unable to use 5th Gen Platforms against Ukraine due to Air Defence in place.
Indian Airforce must go for Swedish Gripen E because in Future Develop Kaveri Jet Engines can be easly induct in Tejas MK 1A and Gripen E both the Jet Planes
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@alpha defense , my thought. GOI for IAF should have gone with gripen-e around 150 (tot n all, jitna bhi aa skta tha) as an interceptor. And not Tejas. As gripen has a better range n payload.
And india and hal should focus totally on Tejas 2 (a medium aircraft, get it in largest nos for India) make it closer to something like rafale or typhoon.
Tejas 1 me tech to sab dikha diye h, bas scale and kuch or additions Krna h.
And side by side AMCA.
To in total iaf k plane fleet:
Htt40 trainer,
Sitara (tab tk to ban hi jaega,
a replacement for hawk (maybe a scaled down version of Tejas) ,
Lift (iaf must have it in some nos, taki export a prospect rahe)
Gripen
Tejas 2
Amca
Tab tk to su30 last leg me hoga to not counting
Your thoughts for this ?
And India amca bana hi rha h, we need to look over the Himalaya j20 ka kya performance h, ya f35 copy jo Pak lega uska kya haal h. Faltu ka aquisition kyu Krna jb khud bna hi rhe h. Immediately to deliver nhi hoga.
Under the present scenario it is better to go with French Rafale rather than purchasing F 21or F15 EX fighter aircraft to make the Americans happy. If possible give order for 200-250 Rafale's and ask Dassault Aviation to open a manufacturing base in India to produce Rafale with complete TOT. However,there shouldn't be any compromise with the process of indigenous development and manufacturing of our Kaveri engine's.Also we should speed up the process of negotiations of developing a new engine with Safran for AMCA programme. Our push for Atmanirbharta in defence production should go unabated notwithstanding American arm twisting in providing engines for Tejas MK 1 and Tejas MK 2 programme.
Hii bhaiya
Do you have any News regarding INS ARIGHAT launch tomorrow??
Its better to acquire additional rafale and concentrate on engine development at any cost ….!!
Its just the most secure approach unless we want F35 from America..
It's been always like this, most cases indian defense forces were caught sleeping.... it's the solders who sacrifice and win the war; if it was up to the government babus....
SAAB Gripen appears to be a good bet to augment squadron strength. A episode on pros and cons of this deal be covered
भारत को SU 57 के बजाय F 35 Block 4 लेने के लिए अमेरिका को तैयार करना चाहिए। TOT की बात अब भुला देना ही ठीक होगा। बल्कि F 35 लेने पर शायद अमेरिका इसकी कुछ टैक्नोलॉजी शेयर करे जो हमारे AMCA के लिए उपयोगी हो सकती है। F 35 लेने पर पेमेंट के तरीके, इंजन की समस्या, परफोर्मेंस की समस्या, समय पर डिलीवरी ना होना जैसी समस्याएं नहीं रहेगी। F 35 Block 4, इस सीरीज के सभी विमानों में सबसे उन्नत है एवं सही मायनों में पांचवीं पीढ़ी का फाइटर जेट है।
Priorities Ghatak, SWIFT and Man Unmanned Teaming combined with S400 and XRSAM program to counter Stealth... Su47 is not a good option.. Russia is not in a position to fulfill any contract, this will create issues with US and funding SWIFT will increase funding for Kaveri which will allow Tejas become free from GE faster.
Ten years.. and still undecided..? What this Govt is doing?
Talk, talk and more talk. At this rate squadron strength may dwindle to single digit!
We have no other choice but to negotiate with America on F35. Sometimes to beg is also a wise strategy
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In terms of trade.
Russia can sell their weapons and india can sell their finished goods. Many things can be done. India can start doing as per barter system. That's not gonna make issues as Bricks also trying to come up with R5 currency.
The only big issue is which aircraft india should buy for next 20-30 years. India is all set to have their own jets in next 4-5 years. Tejas mark 1A and Mark 2. Amca 1 - 2. And then 6th gen jets are also in the pipeline. India tried to get the Rafale but it backfired with excessive overpriced jets. Now US is playing with our Tejas project. Not much reliable. So it's gonna be tough for india. Let's see how it goes.
@Amitpariyar42:
Why don't you partner with Russia?? 🤔
You'll be able to rake in all the money that accrues from sales. 😉
@@le_ecrivaine true. It's good that people actually think like this. But I don't run the country and I'm not in a position to do so. But I am just expressing my views. If you have anything else, say it just to counter or ignore it. Whatever I said about India Russia trade, India is already doing it in many ways. So I don't think people don't know it. And if you have problems with it then please stop the government. I'm just observing and expressing what Government is doing. But yea if I get the chance, I'll definitely try to join hands with countries for business and trade.
ये F21 हमें चीपकाया गया modified F16😂
Guma Firake Deal to ..Alfa Defence ..Kr rha he 😂😂
No. V hav to get in to engine deal with SAFRAN for 110 & 130KN engines instead. Speed up Tejas MKs & TEDBF, AMCA with additional funding.
If needed take help of S-Korea or Russias Aerospace design institutes to bridge the shortfalls
Plenty of wrong information:
1. Al-41F-1S and AL-41F1 both use Plasma ignition which makes both far more fuel efficient than AL-31FP.
IAF's problem was lack of supercruise from these engines which are solved by AL-51F engines.
2. Al-51F has been in test since last 4-5 years and is going into serial production from next-year.
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AMCA is also not 5th generation. It lack many components to be called as 5th generation.
My solution, DON'T buy any of them. Invest in AMCA, Kaveri, on a war footing. Try that by the time pak has J 31s, India has AMCA.
True. rather invest in our own projects than panic-buy.
Is India really ready to throw 10 billions dollars for kaveri engine for developing single crystal blades
Can't we enlarge amca design to a 35-38 ton large stealth jet. Using al51 engine, components can be borrowed from su57 jet along with our amca technologies. Along with a 20-22 to. Su75 instead of mk2 with al51 engine . Also the al51 can be used in su30 . somehow we must convince Russian to sell the al51 in a deal by which we are proposing to the west for amca engines i.e an engine with tot and ip.
focus should be on missiles, guided artillery, DEWs, drones... not expensive tanks, planes and aircraft carriers in light of mordern warfare and our defence needs.
India should buy U S & European jets as these are from Democratic country suppliers
And here we have thousands of Indian people doing MS in STEM in US, Europe etc. and not a single person able to do research in aerospace engine technology. The days of C.V.Raman, Vikram Sarabhai etc. are long gone as everyone now is behind money, status, quality of life etc. and not ready to put in effort and we find India and IAF in this situation.
get the bricks currency in place asap maybe this year at the bricks meeting
GTRE now Demanding High Altitude Engine Testing Facility. Govt approved AL-31 Engines Testbed. Will they approve demands of GTRE?
To tackle a 5th gen another 5th gen cant be always a solution. Iaf needs to think different way to deal with them..!
In view of the Russian tilt & dependency over China, India should not go for SU - 57.
Hamara problem airframebya aircraft nahi engine hai....
Agar engine mil jaye to hum chije expedite kar sakate hai AMCA and others ka.... Hame ye samajana hoga😊
Kaveri Engine is under budget, government is not providing enough amount of money for RnD
Government to Government deal kar ke 2/3 Squardon Su 57 kharid Lena chahiye...
Why not convert the Su 30 mki to a stealth killer mode and produce say 60 more of the Su 30 mkis in high Composite + Super Sukhoi configuration, additionally get 40 more Mig 29 UPG/K configuration in stealth killer config. Why shud a new aircraft type be purchased by India ?
If the Al31Fp and the RD 33mk r going to be produced in India why shud the corresponding aircraft not be produced to take advantage of the same? Besides using the AL31fps on TEDBF and AMCA and the MK2
Basic question, why isro not able to build jet engines.. budget issue ?
Absolutely correct, Indian Air force function is questionable, because They try to make sukhoi MK-30I in super sukhoi, 😊very difficult decision... Spending millions of rupees on it... Should be go for sukhoi SU-57....
Assemble SU 57 in HAL. Pay in gold or crypto.
Why can't we try out Safran engines instead of GE? Will it require structural changes. Can you explain?
Better we have to go for the defensive mode until we got the AMCA
In order to avoid all complications and things are sorted out, we should focus on Super Sukhoi program and make it's production line hot atleast for 2-3 squadrons.. we may have to look for better engine than the existing one. At this moment there are technologies available to counter these half cooked fifth gen aircrafts in neighbour, which we need to look for or focus on.
I understand the logic of going for SU57, however this means going for an engine that is not the desired choice ie compromised solution, then why not get a similar Russian engine for Tejas etc? I guess you have to make changes to the Tejas and AMCA frames but it is still more of a Atmanirbhar program than buying off the shelf SU57. This way a lot of the testing will lend for the future AMCA programs.
I have witnessed in my own working life when companies electing for an off the shelf solutions for short term gain thereby jeopardising their own long term indigenous programs.
I appreciate that Bharat has clear and immediate dangers from its foes thus necessitating some very difficult choices but still it should be with one eye on the near future.
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SU 57 production done in Bharat will solve the problem. Bharath has stealth technology use it in SU57 will solve the problem. Better than AMCA SU57 is good with our own technology & Russian technology.
AMCA convert to 5++ or 6th is good better option
Aapki baat toh sahi hai per ab way out kya ho sakta hai iska.
Also, kya hum al-30 engine ko upgrade nahi kar sakte jo abhi HAL manufacturer karr raha hai
brother please make a video on military contracts happened under rajnath ji's US visit
Sir production number increase ki ja sakti h ,orders basis pr.
After all permutations and combinations the only solution really is to fit kaveri on lca test bed and improve it iteratively. Abhi modi ji strategic autonomy bol ke ukraine visit kar a rahe hai. 😂
Govt will review this for another decade before coming to a decision 😂
Do we know if the airframes are/ will be ready as per the original projection timelines minus the engines? Tejas that is
What is stopping IAF from procuring another 2 squadrons of Rafales and/or concluding the MMRCA/MRFA/BHAGWANBHAROSE deal ?
Let's tie up with Cheendi padosi to produce J-20i under our make in India aatmanirbhar mission. Gum phir ke what you are saying is we are screwed! 😂
What is this new controversy about the Tejas MK2's design being flawed?
Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse for the Tejas program, there is someone raising doubts about the very design that is frozen and about to go into prototype stage.
If india purchase su57 than it will be like licking the same spit u had spat before😅
We should put Kaveri on fast track n keep the production of Tejas mk1a using Kaveri n improve on Kaveri engines to reach the required thrust level.
What about going for licence production like su 30mki?