JIVE TALK: PIE origin, Megalith doc, AMA
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You deserve way more followers. You are a great treasure to our people
I appreciate that!
The book he mentions at 47:45 is "Polemos: The Dawn of Pagan Traditionalism" by Askr Svarte if anyone is curious.
I regularly rewatch these video to refresh
I'm really excited for your upcoming video for pagans! I really love those!
Thanks Tomas, you rocked it, good fun👍
I'm not pagan or even spiritual but I love your actual pagan videos, too.
Excellent historical entertainment backed with current genetic research! I love all your videos!!
I love this guy
Regarding Bell Beaker incursions into Iberia, my paternal haplogroup is R-M167, which has its origins in the Pyrenees - even though my father's family can be traced back to the same area of England (Staffordshire) as early as the late 13th century. Must be why I like tapas - lol.
Love your beard very Indo- European!
Great work on the new quality.
Damnit, RUclips! You had 1 job!
Thanks, Tom! I really appreciate your work. I'm roughly the same age, share the same passion for understanding our ancestors, & view you as a great inspiration & source of knowledge. I'm doing my best to catch-up/keep-up, doing serious reading over the last 5 years.
Love your content from Texas!
Tom is honorary Generation X
re-watching this now as I missed the start on the day
Hyper-interesting as always, keep going with the good work!
I'm too differently-rich for donation but I do my best spreading your videos and channel on RUclips and Telegram.
In western European individuals, there's been an interesting link between R1b haplogroups and the prevalence of haemochromatosis. It's picked up the name "The Celtic Curse" but are they actually correlated to anything as far back as the bell beaker culture?
If I remember correctly the connection was made via the remains of Bell Beaker individuals from Rathlin...
The Harappan and Bactrian civilizations speaking Indo-Iranian is a hypothesis which makes sense at least as much as trying to derive Proto Indo-European from the steppe at all costs.
Hail Tom!
hail mr rowsell great work as always. i was wondering if you had any interest in eastern germanic tribes like ostrogoths or perhaps videos on the hittites
Yes yes verry good
Bronze Age ends in Greece around 1100 BC, in Scandinavia in 500 BC. Taking Scandinavian models to explain the Bronze Age collapse is a little bizarre.
Just to add to your response to the animism question, I'd like to present animism as it is understood by the most up-to-date and modern scholars of religion and anthropology.
Animism in the new age and old scholarly sphere was always deemed to be something like; everything has a spirit, or soul ... or, some things have a spirit or soul.
But since the latter half of the 19th century and well into the modern era we've basically constructed a whole new outlook onto animism via actually asking the people we previously called "animists" what it is they actually believe/practice.
Ultimately modern animism is nothing more than a system of relation between what scholars of animism might call "persons", but in the Germanic sense this "personhood" is more akin to "wight" as a term (which as you know, can refer to humans, land features, gods, etc.). One Scholar is often quoted as stating animism to be a worldview in which "the world is full of persons, only some of which are humans, but all are worthy of -respect-" (Graham Harvey).
Animism is a core component of paganism, and whilst I agree that using so many -isms can lead to a weird and non-faithful semantics game, I think in this case it's important to actually understand what animism is so we can re-adapt to it. Animism is the way we preform actions, more than it is a belief in souls, or anything of that nature. Without embracing an "animism" we lose a lot of the organic meaning behind what it is we do, and why we do it.
Animism is never defined as some hippie, climate-cult, love everything, nature worshiping thing by those who are actually animist. One Maori gentleman even described his religion as being to "do violence with impunity". If anything, animism is almost like a political system between wights, that is, all persons, human and non-human. It is maintaining an ordered balance via ritual relating, sometimes in peaceful, and sometimes in violent ways.
I suggest looking into the works of Graham Harvey, one of the most popular scholars on the subject today. But also Alfred Irving Hallowell and his studies on the Ojibwe. Likewise you could if you're willing to look past politics, visit the Nordic Animism channel and simply ignore (like I do) his strange communist/woke takes he spouts out every now and then.
I think Mannus is very clearly Njordr. One is Mannus’ sons is the progenitor of the INGavonnes. Who is Ingui-Freyr’s father? Who is the first king after Odin in the Ynglingasaga? The first priests Odin appoints? I think the parrellels are stark and a proposed linguistic root of Njordr could also be “Man” in PIE, it’s hard to deny IMO
interesting points
Marvelous fayre, cheers
cheers
Hi Tom love the content. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the korean peninsula dolmens, there location, quantity (40% of the worlds total) and there evident similarity to the western european style of dolemen?
Thanks
Keep up the great work!
Hello STJ, I know you made a review of BAM years ago. Have you considered reviewing Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy by Costin Alamariu?
i have a copy
A dedicated video to haplogroup i1 would he cool
Tom. You really are a treasure, no-one does the work you do. You are a legend. Honestly a pleasure meeting you, your a sound guy with your heart in the right place and incredibly intelligent. I want an interview with you ajd bubba kate vs the state. I have mentioned you several times to her. She acknowledges your great work and she is impressive in her own way too
Have you done anything on Atlantis? Is it totally not worth academic study?
This is all complex and confusing to me. I feel i need to study to understand it
Just keep submerging yourself in these videos, as well as ponder the content in your mind while daydreaming or taking walks. You’ll be hooked, it’s an incredible subject and extremely relevant to world history. We are very much on the cutting edge of discovery and validation through genetics, which in turn encourages more archaeology and linguistic studies.
All the best
JP
Were the divine twins cursed to become wolfs.There is the story of ekata and dvita in mahabharata. There is story of sigmund(comes from p.i.e. root for man) and sinfjotli(also called fitela probably cognate to latin vitula(literally male calf) and when i hear about sköll and hati they revolve around the sun and moon like the ashvins. Is there a connection
Do a beard tutorial :D
What do you think about the supposed lack of steppe ancestry in Anatolia?
it is absence of evidence presented as evidence
I don't understand Hungarian and i am finnish. Only some some words look familiar. Better i understand estonian and karelian.
I don't believe that IE-religion was really animistic or even shamanistic. Whoever came up with those classifications didn't understand religion at all. Shaman isn't even a IE word so it is questionable to use it when describing IE practises.
There seem to be influence from modernist privitivism among heathenry. That's why people are obsessed to find some primitive instruments, signs of animism totemism whatever among ancient european religion, because modernist primitivism is about how civilization is bad and we should live harmony with nature, idealizing and romatizing primitive peoples lifestyles.
I suspect EHG had shamans so naturally some "shamanic" elements are found in IE religions too
you are not supposed to understand Hungarian. As a Hungarian trying to learn Finnish, the similarities are overwhelming between them once you know the sound-shifts between these two languages. We don't actually have any language that we can understand in Hungarian, you are lucky to have Estonian (Carelian I assume is the same as Finnish).
Speak on Haplogroup N. I’m mostly British but haplogroup N.
brought to europe by finnic people
I am sure you can answer this: what kind of Dna did the Indo-European gods have?
More pagan "how-tos" would be fantastic to see. Please go full-autisimo and get very detailed and sperg out on the sources.
If paganism is alive, where do all the sacrifices happen?
All over the world
The criticism of the southern arc involving them not knowing their own candidates isn't a good one. A better criticism would be that actually those Anatolian samples DO have steppe ancestry. A small amount but that is all that matters for the steppe hypothesis, Hittites weren't expected to have a lot of steppe ancestry as per the steppe hypothesis. Even 10% is legit. Furthermore, I've heard that more steppe rich samples are on the way in Western Anatolia which if true, is good supporting proof for the steppe hypothesis of the Anatolian languages.
However the Davidski camp is going too hard in the other direction, like pushing the date of admixture back to the Mesolithic. Furthermore him saying that CHG isn't a genetic component is bonkers unless he meant that CHG and Iran aren't a common genetic component, which is fine. But the existing 2 CHG samples are pretty similar so if he meant CHG itself isn't a single component, he is probably trying to conjure mirages which will make the CHG in progress a more distant/remote thing. I think the early Neolithic is a more reasonable time for the bulk of the CHG admixture with only minor contacts preceding it. And also, an important component of Indo-Europeans is the progress population which is almost half CHG. So I do think CHG had cultural impacts and maybe contributed some portion of words to the PIE language, but the core of the language is still from EHG precursors of the Indo-Europeans IMO.
It isn't just Davidski pushing the date to the Mesolithic. David Anthony has said that too
@@jivetalk Isn't David Anthony the guy who implied a deep connection between Indo-European and Uralic or am I conflating him with someone else?
I think early neolithic is more plausible because from what I've seen the mixture that created Yamnaya and related mixtures of the sort seem to all be relatively recent (recent compared to ~10,000 year old populations). It doesn't get pre-neolithic components when stuff like Khvalynsk, Progress, Anatolia/European neolithic and Ukraine neolithic are used. Early neolithic and Ukraine and Russia go back to over 6000 BC for some reference. There may be some pre-neolithic stuff here and there, but the bulk of the EHG-CHG mixing that produced Indo-European populations is probably early neolithic I think.
Why are you surprised that people not sharing Dna speak the same language? Another question: How can there be people who don't share any Dna, aren't people related by Dna not just between humans but to all living creatures?
Do you believe in gods?
5508 BC
You can venerate Nature AND keep on destroying it. This is what the Japanese did, isn't it what we do ourselves today?
And exactly where do you think the Indo part of Indo European came from? 😅😅clearly the homeland for these languages are in the southern arc. Your problem is you are basing your ideas on pure conjecture of PIE, which there is no evidence existed or was ever spoken. There is also no DNA or archeological evidence. Now, we see the Indians farming rice much earlier than ever thougth, predating Iran. It's in Gangetic and central India. More than ever we see continuity in Indian sub continent. I find this quote amusing
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Go reread the paper on the skeleton from the IVC. Rakigiri skeleton. Not only was there no Steppe DNA., proving the IVC had zero connection to Steppe people. It also completely disproves Reich's theory that the Iranians introduced farming to Indus😅😅they did not. Also go see the recent paper on the much EARLIER production of rice in India. Even as early as 10000 BC. S o much for this Iranian farming nonsense 😅😅you are better off trying to find your ancestors in Europe
I am surprised that you present this as an unbiased podcast based on scientific research, whereas you speak about "Indo-European Dna", oppose a "Farmer period" in Europe to an "Indo-European" period which means that you just take the Late Neolithic steppe origin for Indo-Europeans as an axiom, not like a hypothesis which could be subject to investigation. There is no such thing in the papers you base your videos on.
So let me get this straight. You agree the Indians and Europeans share no DNA and there is no evidence to support they speak thecsame language. Yet you support the THEORY of PIE, which also has no evidence and is made up by contemporary scholars. Now you know how the Indians feel. Imagine, the people of the Indus Valley CIVILIZATION being influenced by people who aren't evolved enough to be sedentary. There literally is no evidence for Indo European migration or invasion 😅into India. In fact, it makes every sense the Indo Iranians would share commonality. They are literally next to each other and even at one point may have shared same territory and were one people. It has never made sense that these roamers made any contributions to the much more advanced and earlier civilization. You should join with the anti Indo European Indians, who clearly state they have zero ancestry or connections to Steppe people. Zero
If yall have same dna why they have darker skin in Southern india