"IRV GOTTI TOOK CREDIT FOR MY BEATS ON DMX ALBUM WITHOUT ASKING!!!" SELF SERVICE SPEAKS OUT!!!
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One other producer who NEVERRRR gets enough credit for DMX's hardest tracks is DAME GREASE.
Facts and Dame is a beast on the beats 🔥🔥
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Facts... that cause Dee and Wah favored their nephew more and Swizz was elevated, plus he scored a hit with Ruff Ryders anthem
Yezzir... My negus
Probably cuz his name Dame Grease
It's funny how we complain about toxic contracts from major labels then turn around and do it to each other
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Facts
Exactly
You are absolutely right!! someone do it too them and when they get in position they turn around and do it someone else
It’s called #GREED
I love how the young producer locked right in when he realized who homie was. You can tell young man respect the hell out the OG.
Hell yeah we do
As he should..
@BARKA SULIMAN no shit. He recognized the wisdom.
I always said whats my name by X was irv gotti best beat ever....salute self service on that classic smh
Hip Hop is alive
“Industry Rule number 4080 ….record company people are shaaddyyyyyyy”
4080
Shout out to Q-Tip
Facts facts facts
I THINK THEY SMOKE CRACK I WON'T BOUGHT CAUSE LOOK HOW THEY ACT..
A TRIBE CALLED QUEST
VIRGIN ISLANDS PEACE ✊✊✊
@@juanrivera4312 misquoted.
I got over 25 platinum records as well and don’t get any recognition so I feel the homie.
You Dj Daryl from No Limit Records fame? If so, salute! Real ones from the 90s, who bought cds and read production credits, should recognize your name.
@@MichaelBrown-ti1un that’s me 👍🏾
@@DJDARYL that's wassup. That first Steady Mobb'n album, Premeditated Drama, that you did a buncha production on, still gets play from me.
@@MichaelBrown-ti1un 👍🏾
@@DJDARYL how about Happy P?
Bro, you know how to interview and give every guest in your show the spotlight and time they deserve and need
Mad respect hoff
N.O.R.E would do well to take notes
I'm new here but I peep the same thing my boy.. can't even listen to Vlad, he talks more than his guests
Facts nore and gillie always talking over stories saying dumb shit that makes the story go left can’t even watch them
Facts & that’s only because HE KNOWS WHAT’S UP
DJ QUIK said once, "I will never put my name on a track that's not mine."
*DJ QUIK
U aint fresh
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DJ Q-U-I-K with no C Style
That’s why I always ranked him higher than Dre. He the heart of the west coast sound.
I am a hip hop head from Africa, partied in the 90's and 2000s. This information is golden.
Much love from the states!! I’m trying to get back to the motherland
I just want to say KUDOS to your show. This is the type of info that these young music cats need to hear. This is TRUTH and UNCUT. I like the fact that as men, you let each other speak without disrespecting one each, talking over each other, and the fact you choose to have these conversations from the people behind the scenes or who wasn't doing it for props! Great content!
Yes agree with you.
Big name producers have done this for years. Pay someone $7,500 cash whose hungry and turn around and sell it for 50-100k+ publishing/mechanical royalties.I'll leave my personal stories out of it.
Understood fam! This game is dirty, im not a producer, but did promotions independently, I understand
Facts
These people have devalued the culture and are the real vultures
Exactly.. Which is why i produce everything and not trying to get bamboozled in this game. I want what's due to me. any advice im willing to listen.
Are they really vultures of the original beatmaker agreed to the terms? As in they agreed to sell all their rights. Is it not also on the part of the original beat maker to make himself aware of the possible outcome of selling all his rights? These people ain't your friends. They're after money
Math Hoffa is very respectful to his guess he never cuts guys off. Great work
Puffy was an executive producer, people still to this day think he was making all those beats for Biggy and Mase and all that. Puffy was not a beat maker.
It was Stevie J and those boys. The hitmen
Puff arranged it..
Thats why you have to read the credits on the albums. I specially love do you know by diddy the beat with the piano on the back is smooth
Puppy is a beatmaker though don’t get it twisted he can make a beat on his own and has Dunso just like Jermaine Dipree but yes you are right in Timberland does it too when they use keyboard is and people who actually know how to play instruments I noticed that for instance Timberland will come up with the percussion and start out a B and then he’ll tap in with the keyboardist J. Cole also does the same thing so at some point we got to start to wonder who actually produces on their own I believe R. Kelly might’ve done a lot of things actually all on his own Ryan Leslie did things on his own those are people who really need the credit when it comes to producing not just people who are rains other people stuff
Executive producer means the person that invested. Pushing the art
Great interview. Glad to hear from Self Service 🙏🏿🙏🏿
I could tell you personal stories about Self. I can honestly say as an artist who worked with him he brought out the best of me during our time. Shout out to Self and Swift
One of Jermaine Dupree's beat makers was a guy named Manuel Seal. One of the classiest dudes that you can run across. Smart guy, he got his money. He doesn't have an "I didn't get paid" story.
Well it sound like he got paid
Dat you kno of
According to the testimony
Where is he now?
Seal is a great producer/songwriter period.
I just went through Jay’s track listing and every record produced by Irv w the exception of one had Lil Rob’s name there too. Lmao. This dude ain’t lying.
Much respect to both these legends... but this is why there is a difference between a beatmaker & a producer.. and some people are both.
What’s the difference
@@anotherway18 From my understanding a beatmaker essentially makes the beat, but a producer arranges/composes the record. Adding little sounds, putting a singer here or there, laying another instrumentation, basically bringing the record to life in a different way. For example, the MVP remix record was originally BIG L's single, Puff took that same record and instead removed the boom bap style more prominent and smoothed it out with the piano and little subtle elements which became
"One More Chance". Same beat, but a different record. Plus being a A&R/music executive, the fact that the Puff's and Irv's have a name recognition gives it more credibility then a say a upcoming beatmaker.
Hell didn't the guy from the Hitman Production squad take credit for Kanye West beats that too.
Yet u, still have legends that don't know the difference
Im pretty sure Khaled is one of those people.. He doesnt make NONE of those beats that hes known for
@@GeneralBuckNaked You're wrong, actually very wrong. Khaled has actually made alot of beats for fat joe, birdman, wayne, etc. Like actually made beats from scratch. That's literally facts that you can research for youself.
I always used to see Irv Gotti and Self on production but with a lot of producers I used to listen to it took me over 20 years to see their faces lol. Glad to see Self is doing his thing
He's not doing anything lol
@@christopherayettey4390 ????
Where is self and where is irv gotti...
@@christopherayettey4390 ????
@@christopherayettey4390 Ayettey Powers lolololol!
Seven is another producer that took Murda Inc to another level
Love the inc for life it’s murdaaa
Here is an “Alley-Oop” for Math Hoffa. If you think his story is interesting you should reach out and interview the “Product of G&B” from Hempstead, Long Island. They worked with Wyclef Jean, and wrote the hit song “Maria Maria” with Carlos Santana. Interesting to what happened to them brothers after that multi platinum, mega hit record came out.
FACTS! From what I heard Clef did them dirty with an awful contract.
@@1realdude Seems like Clef did a lot of people dirty. Canibus is another one...
Shout out to Hempstead, Roc Marciano, Method Man
6:40 “No salt shakers, no cowbells?” 😂😂😂
Sounded like a line from Crank Lucas fr.
great and necessary convo! Yo that Whats My Name beat... WHEW! I remember when it was just a snippet on the Def Jam website. Had me losing my damn mind!
'DON'T WORRY IF I MAKE BEATS .. I WRITE CHECKS' - DIDDY .. DRE .. IRV ..
Salute to ya. This what drink champs should be having. THANK YOU.
Shit too real for DC
@@jaybrown3341 they be too drunk asking the same question 999 times lol
Bro this is why I don't respect Dr.Dre as a producer because he use to say he produced The Chronic when Daz, Warren G and few others did the work. Dr. Dre is the greatest Mixer of all time!
Producing and beat maker is two different things. Quincy Jones doesn't play all the instruments on his records.
@@ShawnMega trust me I understand...Dr.Dre took full credit for The Chronic and I would respect it more if he didn't paint the picture like he was the crafting these beats like he's Dj Premier or Pete Rock 😆 🤣 I hate Liars
@@thechordroompod sound like you big mad
Warren G does not get the credit he deserves
@@est.inthe80s Right like I'm one the producers 😆 🤣 Just passionate i love hip hop
I’ve seen Irv in interviews flat out saying he produced those records. That’s some wack shit if it’s true.
@@vknb237 hmm 🤔
Huh I produced Whats my name thays it by myself
@@selfservice7 yo, if you're actually Self, just know that your Whats My Name beat had me losing my f*ckin mind in Saudi Arabia when I was trying to get access to the damn Def Jam site back in the day. Before the album/song came out, I remember Def Jam doing a Flash presentation with it on their site to promote DMX and that shit had me FIENDIN
@@selfservice7 seen a video mentioning Gavin and Digem
Irv is one of slimiest beings in the hh industry. he even said on drink champs he did the super ugly beat while it was just the same "got yourself a" beat without any bigger chaningings. Even Nore said to him that i was the same beat and the clown kept on talking like he s out of reality which he probably is.
Luv this interview.. Shout out to Fingers, lil Rob and DL respect to you kings
Yessssss sirrrrrrr. My guys
Amen
7Aurelius and Chink Santana, other producers for Murder Inc, deserve mention as well.
@@MichaelBrown-ti1un 🙌🏿
Mr Fingers got his proper glory on -POV Anthem by Cadillac Tah. I was surprised
10:52 Dame's been trying to tell y'all !
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People ain't ready to have a real conversation about dre
definitely aren't. LMAO. They'll say 'blah blah east coast/NY bias beatmaker blah blah" 😂
That’s why people keep bringing up Quincy Jones in a hip-hop convo lol
Nah I used to think the same about Dre but Dre is a engineer and helps with post production as well not just the best.
Because there's no real "conversation" to be had lol. Only newbies, casuals and niggas who don't know the difference between beat makers and producers are confused by this. Aside from Scott Storch, how many of Dr. Dre's co-producers/musicians have gone on to make game-changing hits by themselves? 🤔🤔🤔
You can say that but not the NWA days. So we’re talking everything post Chronic 92’?
Self Service is saying a lot of things that make sense that have been said by others close to Irv Gotti, Puff Daddy and others. Message of the day is always own your stuff like beats, masters and publishing.
Just for the record, JD make beats and write songs. Listen to his argument with Puff.
That wasn't his point my G
His point was that JD and others took credit for beats he didn't make
True, but JD still has kept a "farm team" of niggas around like Carl-So-Lowe, Manuel Seal and others who produced under him. Not an indictment on JD, because all of the big producers do the same when they blow. Kanye brings in an army of niggas, every project these days, to produce music that he inevitably attaches his name to.
@@williework718 but he said that like Dre , JD don’t actually produce beats when they do and JD also writes songs
@Shaq-JD has a team of ghost writers writing for him!! My now ex-wife, was one of his ghost writers on early records by Xscape, before Kandi and Tiny(T.I.'s wife) wrote anything for Xscape and my ex-wife knows both Kandi and Tameka(Tiny) personally!! Of course, JD is not gonna ever admit to having ghost writers, most rappers won't but quite a few of them do, no one cares about R&B artists having other writers, but in Hip Hop, it's always been considered taboo to claim credit for tracks you didn't actually make and/or songs you didn't write!!!
Jimi kendrix produced some murder inc joints. Also Danja handz produced a lot of Timbalands biggest records
Facts. Danja definitely got his bag
Nahhh you gotta take JD outta there . He got a signature sound . He programs his drums (Jermaine Dupri ). He’ll source B Cox for keys but Jermaine not out here taking credit from other producers .
Everyone knows Puff was not doing anything but a line or changing a beat from one cymbal to two cymbals. Then say he was executive producer. All that stuff was done by his in-house producers Chucky, Stevie J and etc
Puff did have a winning ear and dancefloor mind of the listening audience. If it's his company, than he IS the "producer".
Robbed Mary J and can't sing a lick. But he was a songwriter. Str8Bs
@@esseen100 no shit i5 was his company and they worked for him ie in house producers !! The point was he is not a musician. I'm puzzled why you said that nonsense
@@teeerealsirrdee some producers are musicians and songwriters. others are more like managers: they are geniuses at directing the whole team toward a stated goal and sound, and they _just know_ when it’s hot. others are more like pimps. I think Puff fits into more than one category.
@@crnkmnky no shit !! I said Puff was not. But thanks for the worthless comment
This has been happening since the Renaissance. Not all the popular artists did everything they were commissioned for. It even says so on the paintings sometimes...'touched by' but the other artists is undetermined.
This is a man after my own heart-I def give facts and names. One of my fav interviews of all times!
That's crazy...... you make all those beats just for some one to sneeze on it and say it's theirs just because they own the company.
The fucked up politics
Interesting build. Managers would always tell me there’s a difference between a ‘’Beat Maker” and a “Producer”. That a beat maker makes beats but a producer makes records. They would say it’s the game and I’m paying dues.
That's there way of saying I got to EAT before you can get a CUT.
@@jman1562001 indeed.
Love the interview….. these words need to be spoken.
Producing and Beat Making is two different things
People don't seem to want to understand that for some reason.
Truth.
Different, but easily interchangeable.
@@halfamic exactly , especially in hip hop.
Explain the difference, pls
I’m glad we get to see who was really putting together all that legendary music during my childhood years man! To all u thieves, u can’t take people credit no more.. it’s a wrap for that behind the scenes shit
Lil Rob was incredible, just Irv got the credits for a lot of those songs....
Little rob made murder Inc
If that is what producers in NY were doing back then I can clearly see why NY fell off. Past 1998 I can start to see why.
Producers since forever everywhere have been doing this. Dr. Dre is from the west and has done the same.
Jermaine Dupri did this too. This wasn't just a NY thing. JD, Puff, Irv, Dre, and that's just hip hop. If we go to the RnB and Pop producers and song writers its even more rampant. The industry is dirty and everyone is trying to get a piece of the song pie. Especially if they know it's going to be a hit. It's still happening today.
50cent is why NY fell off i thought everyone knew that🤔🤔
@@shawtyeatemup1352 well actually it was the south and the NY cats beefing overall. 50 went just the most famous outta NY and the rest got lost over their plastic pop beats.
Happened in the Dirty South, too. As much as I love the area some Spotify songs don't have producers credited.
I'm so glad The Most High stopped me from becoming a producer in the music industry. Because, the truth be told no matter how much money I could've made or how many people my music would've made world famous, as a man I couldn't take being shit on and disrespected for some talentless, sunglasses wearing sellout taking credit for MY GIFTS. THANK YOU FATHER!!!! You can see that this man is infinitely hurt by all he experienced and by the lack of respect given to him for his gifts. This interview is like therapy for him in some ways.
I legit thought it was some rapper I didn't know of 🤦🏾♂️ Shame on me! 🙏🏾 Good for you bro
Don’t forget that producing a record includes directing the performances. If Irv was the guy in the studio with DMX making the actual recording, then he earned a percentage.
But taking _half_ without any conversation? Shady… an exemplary graduate of the Lyor Cohen School of _Bizness._
@crnkmnky- Irv learned from one of the best about being shady, he learned from Lyor Cohen aka "Liar Conman"!!!!
Nice to see your face self service. Now I'm going to do my research on you.
OG Service a real one
No salt shakers no cow bells??? lmfaooooo shit had me dying
Self the 🐐 wake up y’all 💤
Sean Combs also was doing the same thing for most of the bad boy releases from the time he started the label til toward the end of the 2000s. He got credit as co-producer on some songs for Biggie, mase, total, lox, faith Evans for example and never actually programmed a drum machine, played a instrument but would pick a sample for a artist to rock with for a single to sell Records which is why he got that kind of credit along with being executive producer!
Shady business tactics record company people are shady
Making a beat has never meant the same thing as producing a record. But I definitely get that it’s still something some people debate. It’s never been the same thing. And honestly it’s not even the same skill set
Details???
@@dfree1442 Hey! Not sure specifically which part you want details for. I can only speak from personal history and have been extremely privileged to learn from great producers.
@@dfree1442 Making a beat: drum/sampler programming, synthesizer programming, instrumentation, composition.
Producing a record: assembling & managing the team, directing the performances, guiding the project across the finish line.
I look at it from a “classic” perspective (ex. Quincy Jones). I think the lines became blurred once digital technology empowered one person to program a worthy track without as much teamwork (ex. Teddy Riley).
In the hip-hop world, producer has been redefined to equal “beat maker,” even though a lot of these beat makers have no input on the final product.
It depends. Someone can write music give to a vocalist that completes the vocals they co produced the record.
@@user-hx8zm4fe4q composition and production are also not the same thing. Sometimes those lines get blurred but especially in hip-hop where there are samples there will always be people listed as composers that may not have anything to do with the production. Beat making is composition. It is not automatically production.… Especially in the case where all the person actually did was make the beat and nothing else
It's amazing how Irv, Diddy, Timb and others claims their subordinates beats fully as their own creation. There's enough 💰 to go around 🤷🏾♂️.
But Timberland be really making some of his beats
@@redmanjohnson4616 He self admittedly has been getting a lot of help nowadays.
S/o to travis, cudi, & ye
@@diobrando1488 Them Niggas get help too
@Redman Johnson- Timbaland (not Timberland) used to make all his stuff, but Tim had help in the fact that his engineer (Jimmy Smith) also produced some big records back in the day, most Notably for Rock band Led Zeppelin!! Also, when Tim was working with Justin Timberlake, Timbaland's apprentice, producer Danja, was the one actually producing those records for Justin Timberlake!!!
That DMX What's my name beat was & still sick till this day 🔥🙌🏿
Thought Swizz did it because of the drums
My dude "Self" from Shadyville Queens!!! Official Tissue since 1983. Hempstead & Springfield Blvd. Peace King
It seems like they still doing that with Beats
Super producer "SELF SERVICE" has been the truth behind the scenes for decades. He been killing the game. One of the realest to EVER do it!
FACTS and TRUTH in the industry.
It's shame this happen when someone else take your brand..
Need the whole episode ASAP each clip of him in it been 🔥
Everyone must keep in mind, a beat maker is the producers of the track but that doesn’t mean you produced the song. But, he should’ve gotten some producer credit on those songs. Most, if not all, major producers have producers signed to their production companies, but the good ones give what’s owed, co-producer credits.
Pac said dre was taking credit for daz work , scott storch said he added the keys for still dre ,
Lmaoo daz talked about it and said he just added a few things to songs dr Dre produced he just wanted his name up there lol and adding keys isn’t producing , Scott talk about that and said don’t get it twisted I did the keys but dre was the producer he composed everything in the studio , you’re not doing anything without Dre say so . He’s been doing that since NWA days with DJ yella
this is so dope
Aw shit! This gon be a good 1!! Never heard of main man! This gon be a good 1 Math 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Great content Math, but that gunshot sound effect at the end damn near popped the speakers in my headphones. These joints expensive. Gotta get your engineer to lower that, my brother.
That shit pissed me off honestly lol
@@FantomGx Nah mean? lol.
Bruh I felt this one to the heart I understand what it feels like to be screwed by niggas in the industry that you came up with, yeah it leaves a bitter taste for the relationship but we're still alive to set the record straight✌🏽💯
Irv was mentored by Lyon Cohen. That’s who he learned all his grimey ways from💯
I find it interesting how Self said that since Irv got with Lyor and them he became a different person and started doing things different. I feel the samething happened with Jay. Dame was probably the only one who seen through Lyor from the jump.
Not Jay, Dame.
@@andrecato2261 nah it was jay. Dame even said he was upset the way lyor treated Russel Simmons.
Of all the artists that dealt with with Lyor. Only Dame has issues with him.
@@jerry85g7 Wrong! Dame is the only one who stood up to his bullchit.
@@sadiki1980 Yeah like what?
Math Hoffa has one of the best Podcast on RUclips.Love you Math
Did anyone catch the part where he said he was never in the studio with DMX? The producer sees the record to completion.
EXACTLY!!! If Irv was in the studio giving DMX direction on how to rip the song or to add certain adlibs then he too help produce the song, all dude did was make the beat.
@@shawnwilliam1802 🎯🎯🎯
@@shawnwilliam1802 So essentially then Irv helped arrange/compose the song hence his co credit.
Didn’t Irv make X re record his verses to the point where in the intro X was like You think this a fucking game
@@doobiesonix Exactly!
Irv initially booked me for the uh oh record with little Wayne but once I got in contact he paid me then purchased a few more & I haven't heard from em since..... It's business & you can only get what you negotiate not what you want.
You made that beat?
Mel-Man made Dr. Dre the producer he is an alotta niggaz dont kno that either💯
Him, Mike Elizondo, Mark Batson, lottttta cats.
Bro its waaaaaaaay more producers than Mel Man 😆 Daz did most of the Chronic
@@gcgb2186 Mike is a beast! He is Executive Producing Ghostface killahs next album
Yea it was prolly alotta dope producers tht helped Dre. I only been around Hill District niggas tht was connected to Mel-Man an celebrate his contribution to Dre production💯
@@thechordroompod facts, Dre has a whole stable of producers under him
The Work for Hire game is how the industry is ran!!!! Great build!!!!
He made the Beat not the Song. He admits he was never in the studio with X. Who recorded the vocals, mixed & mastered it. Who came up w the concept & got the artist to execute. Who coached Artist in the booth making them do retakes until you got the right sound. That usually takes way more time than making the beat. So if you’re not doing all that you’re just a beat maker & only entitled to 25%
Thats like saying if I cooked for an event because I didn't serve on the buffet line I dget partial credit but I bought cleaned prepped cooked and portioned everything gtfoh 😅🤣
Dumbest logic ever haha
I always find myself trying to pause the video before the piercing gunshot sound at the end
My Man Ed doing his thing
Wow 😳 so many back stories within the industry smmfh
One of the realest Brothers in that room at that moment is big Tone from Philly that's a definition of a stand up real nikka much respect my brother from Boondo
I didn't make a beat but I did play guitar on a fat lip track back in 2001.We ran into each other at guitar center on Sunset and I ended up at his apt in silver lake a few days later. I sat and played some chords but had no idea he was chopping them up on the mpc. I split after not really thinking anything of it. A year later I was in the car and heard my playing( musicians can hear themselves) he chopped it up and used it on his new album.
I love how niggas stay giving credit to other producers for Dre’s beats, but not a SINGLE one ever made the same quality of beats on a consistent basis unless Dre was around. Yet Dre has thirty five years of hits without them. Interesting.
Scott storche has classic beats and platinum records and was the biggest in the rap game in 2000’s
Dre satyed taking credit for people beats so what you talking about
Dr. Dre is also an engineer. The producers under his tutelage turn in beats to him then he adds his sprinkles and mixes the records. But Dre also makes beats himself.
From a former record exec, you have very little knowledge of how the industry works 🤷🏽♂️
Why are your panties in a bunch. He took credit for Storch's work. It doesn't mean all of a sudden he's not one of the greatest producers of any genre but let's not sut here and make believe Storch was a bum neither.
Man, sad but true. I stopped making beats for this reason. And then when you would work with artist they swear they’re the reason the track smacks but in reality I like to hear beats with no artist. Only a few artist know how to treat the music with their vocals and creativity.
Ppl don’t understand the difference between beat making and PRODUCING. If I recruit the keyboardist, bring in the hook man, tell you where the beat should transition, where to add a high hat, etc. These are all critical components that contribute to making the song a success. Just programming the beat is the easy part. Quincy Jones didn’t technically play any instruments on Thriller, but it wouldn’t have been what it was without his ear and overall vision.
But aint the end of the day without those low name people that certain sound wouldnt of been created. Dre took credit for hella shit(daz,warren g,superfly and battle cat was making a lot of it.🤷🏿♂️
FOH . Just do it yourself then. You clearly don't understand music composition at all. Quincy was a classical music composer for the entire direction of album who did play over 10 instruments. These were lame ass industry cats who are robbing young blacks and paying pennies on the dollar for doing nothing. It don't be white ppl who fuck us over, it be these fake ass gate keepers!!
That sounds like an arranger and composer of music which is part of the production process though. And yes the song's feel and impact is totally different when that happens.
Lol
Facts
That’s what I like put the names out there! 🎤
And IRV be talking about that record like he did something SMH 😀 this industry is foul. Stay on your business 💯 Respect to this OG.
Who ever made the beat should get the real credits.
This is ALL FACTS... if you know you know
Why they laugh about the cowbells?...that was a staple in Memphis underground back in the day
Them niggas don’t make beats, they probably didn’t really know what he was referring to, and thought he was trying to just be funny. people who make beats would know about cowbells and shit lol
@@kierrickedmond or at least pay attention to music outside of New York lol
@@kierrickedmond 😂😂😂😂
Never thought I would defend irv but if he was the one in the studio when it was recorded, maybe even gave X input,direction,worked with the stems, stretched the beat... that's part of the production. Plus OG used an important word : placement.
This is what labels do for super producers, they send them random beats that they pick, add some sauce and label their own. I'm glad he spoke up, everybody should know his name
That’s engineering. Irv really just did the same shit that was done to the artist from the 50’s and 60’s chitterling circuit.
The fly shot is irv got half of the producer’s cut. And probably took half of the artist’s cut. So, he made more of the records than the people who created them. And did nothing. The music business is shady fam.
Like someone else said most of that is engineering and you have to be careful with these so called “producers” who don’t touch the gear they all think they puff or Dre when a lot of them just give their input so they can say they did something.. as an engineer I seen this plenty of times with so called big producers and their input didn’t do anything, wasn’t needed or made the record sound worse they just wanted to say they did something.. but if u listen to some records Dre or puff did b4 their magic especially Dre you can see why they are so good at what they do , sometimes it’s night and day
@@dickiessantoro3251 I used to rap in the 90’s. And spent plenty of days/nights in the studio with producers and sound engineers. It’s definitely a collaborative exercise in making records and/or demos. But with that said, you are spot on in everything you said. Engineers making “tweaks” so they can claim production points. Arrangers making “tweaks” so they can claim production points. Hanger-ons making lyrical suggestions, then trying to claim co-writer points. I’m sure you’re seen some crazy reaches for points on an album or record. 😂
@@ianmcdonald3281 facts. It’s like if you build a house for a construction company from the ground up. You designed the blueprint and did all the painting and nailing boards and electrical work etc. You ask your field supervisor to hand you a paint brush. Now he/she feels handing you the paint brush justifies them taking half the commission earned for the job you did. That’s how those hip hop CEO’s like puffy and irv look when they take credit away from real upcoming producers.
When it comes to publishing a beat maker is like a musician.. A producer puts all the pieces (musicians, people ) in place to make a song..
And Irv was selling beats for $250,000 (drink champs).
Unreal
I see you math Hoff , right after the drink champs Interview
It's funny seeing this when D.Dot was shopping/brokering Kanye's and No I.D.'s beats and getting credit for tracks he never hit the pads on.
These type of stories gets on my last nerve. People act like they don’t have two eyes and lawyers to go over their paperwork BEFORE they sign it
Even though I agree with you, I think it’s Easier said than done. A lot of these artists/producers were young and naive. Everybody gets jerked at some point. Even with a lawyer!
Were the tracks buy-outs/ghost production or exclusive licenses w/liner credits? If they were buy-outs then he has every right to say he owns the composition/track.
had to come back to this after watchin Irv Gotti/Drink Champs.. smh..
I'm late on knowing who this man is but after watching this I looked up his production discography.......Yo🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥that's foul how Irv did him
I ain’t even gotta look him up to know ur telling the truth. The way irv playing Ashanti let’s me know all I need to know.
Its not foul because he aint have the relationships. Its like being a talented basketball player but you didnt go through the ncaa. Its possible to get drafted but highly unlikely if the right people dont know you.
@@jermainelawrence664 he clearly said he would have been ok with5% 25% wasn’t the norm
Bro hes lucky he got credit. What do you think is harder? To convince Def Jam to give you a label deal and trust you with their artists or making a hot beat? Making beats is overrated, its about assembling the right artist with the right beat with the hardest part...a bag for marketing. Remember Irv gave that nigga a career, that producer aint give Irv a career. Irv already had hits and was known in the game. He aint know Irv he probably be selling beats for chump change in the hood.
@@jermainelawrence664 wrong. Self already was established and had song placements prior to connecting with Irv. Did you watch the interview? All Irv deserved, for quarterbacking the DMX play, was a finders fee, not 25% of the publishing. That's some snake sh##. Irv could've easily negotiated a fair number with Self, after X decided to pick that beat.
I get it. Not everybody is built the same way, but I just have such a healthy respect for people who don’t feel the need to talk in a negative way about anybody that gave them opportunities. Especially opportunities that they probably wouldn’t have had on their own and that open bigger doors for them down the road. Everybody’s entitled to move the best way that they see fit however. There’s some people I could just never see myself publicly ever saying a negative word about even though I’m not even as active in that business any more
Right. He probably made a million off that song and got the Credit. Don't cry about it 20 years later.
A music composer is much more than someone who can visualize the music and how it should sound. That person writes, plays or produces the sound via instrument or by utilizing a beat machine etc etc
They should have said arranger. Michael Jackson was an amazing arranger.
Makes me sick to my stomach that Irv and Puff reap all the rewards while these producers struggling.
They wrong for not mentioning y’all. The part the producers play is important but damn mention the damn beat makers 💯🙌🏿
All facts Self been a beast since the Onyx Wu-Tang an Gangreene era