The FORGOTTEN Spider-Man - (Turn Off The Dark Retrospective)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark is the ultimate Broadway bloodbath, an incredibly loose Spider-Man adaptation, and a massive flop. You need to hear about it, it deserves to be remembered.
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Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark is a musical with music and lyrics by Bono and the Edge and a book by Julie Taymor, Glen Berger, and Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa. Based on the Marvel Comics character Spider-Man, the story incorporates elements of the 2002 film Spider-Man, the 2004 film Spider-Man 2 and the Greek myth of Arachne. It tells Spider-Man's origin story, his romance with Mary Jane Watson, and his battles with the Green Goblin. It includes highly technical stunts, such as aerial combat scenes and actors swinging from "webs".[1]
The Broadway production was notorious for its many troubles. Several actors were injured performing stunts and the opening night was repeatedly delayed, causing some critics to review the "unfinished" production in protest.[2] Following negative reviews, Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark suspended performances for a month to retool the show. Aguirre-Sacasa, a longtime Spider-Man comics writer, was brought in to revise the story and book. The director, Julie Taymor, whose vision had driven the concept of the musical, was replaced by the creative consultant Philip William McKinley. By the time Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark officially opened on June 14, 2011,[3] it had set the record for the longest preview period in Broadway history, with 182 performances.[4][5][6]
Critical reception of the opening was better than for the previews, but mixed, with praise for the visual effects but little enthusiasm for the book and score. Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark is the most expensive Broadway production in history, with a budget of $75 million. In the week ending January 1, 2012, it held the box office record for Broadway sales in one week, taking in $2.941 million over nine performances,[7] until it was beaten by Wicked at the end of the year, with $2.947 million.[8] The production closed on January 4, 2014,[9] at a massive financial loss.[10]
The one thing I can't get over about this show is something no one talks about. Spider-Man has one of the most iconic theme songs in television history, but when developing this show, no one ever said, "Hey, we show rework the Spider-Man theme song into a Broadway show tune." That easily would have been the highlight of the show.
Generally composers want to leave their own stamp on Spidey's legacy with their own themes which I can understand. At the same time, there is a track in there which serves basically the same purpose as that, and really does beg the question of why they didn't just use that instead as it feels like a knock-off.
It's like when cartoons use weird new versions of the birthday song for some reason.
@@ChannelPup I think that was because the birthday song is actually copyrighted
@Channel Pup It's even more glaring when you consider that there are now Addams Family and Spongebob musicals, and they found ways to work those theme songs into the show. The Addams Family incorparates their theme song into the show's overture, and Spongebob has the cast perform their theme song during the curtain call.
@Channel Pup actually the birthday song had big expensive copyright until relatively recently in 2016
I’ve had a poster of Turn Off The Dark on my wall ever since I saw it back in 2013, genuinely blessed to have been able to see it while I was still living in NYC.
I was sitting front row in the section called “the Flying Circle” and during the climactic fight with Green Goblin, Spider-Man swung up, landed on a platform directly in front of me, gave the audience a thumbs up, and swung back down to fight Goblin. In that moment suddenly every issue I had with the show disappeared and I was a 9 year old boy in 2002 again watching Spider-Man 1 in theaters for the first time. Genuinely magical.
Quality of the show aside, just what an overall moment in Broadway history and even overall comic book history
Finally someone says it! Tbh, this musical was, to me, what the Raimi movies are to a lot of people. I watched it when I was super young, and while it wasn't my first exposure to the character, it was the first time I was really blown away by what could be done with him. I know that in hindsight this musical was a huge mess, but I still love it to death. And unlike the Raimi movies, I can't really return to it to see if it really holds up to my nostalgia. At least unless there's a filmed version that I'm unaware of.
Well, there is Turn Off The Dark Archive on youtube.
Goated channel.
@@ChannelPup In the story of the Incredible Hercules comic book series " Assault On New Olympus ", Spidey actually fought against Arachne!😅
Having seen both versions, I have to say that I love the second version of Turn off the Dark. It’s everything a Broadway show about Spider-Man should be. I loved Reeve Carney as Peter and Jennifer Damiano was a great MJ. However, my favorite cast member Patrick Page as the Green Goblin. He’s super underrated as the character and absolutely delivered the camp and menace needed as the villain. I unapologetically loved the show when I saw the second version.
(Menacingly)
Pepperidge Farms remembers. Pepperidge Farms always remembers. FOREVER!
I mentioned this in a community post… but if there’s one thing I can be thankful about Turn off the Dark doing was getting me into Musical Theatre to begin with. I was always blown away by the set design, fly systems, and technical aspects that it got me into working backstage crew. Alongside with the musical tracks and acting… it also made me want to work in cast as well… that I’m glad this show got me into working in Theatre during High School and College. While not good… I hold Turn off the Dark in my heart
We all know the true Spider-Man musical is the one featured in Snow Patrol’s music video for their song Signal Fire that was attached to Spider-Man 3.
They really should have called this Murphy’s Law the musical
You're talking about Murphy Lawden right
Now you're contractually obligated to write music and lyrics for 'Going Green' and 'No Way, Jose'. Good luck with that.
I'll send you them in a Patreon DM.
This was quite the topic to unpack for your series Pup! I myself being more of a musical fan than a superhero fan, applaud you for all your dedication and enthusiasm for delving into a topic outside your comfort zone! (And I hope that more theater fans get inspired to check out more of your awesome content!)
1.) More people like Garfinkle, ABSOLUTELY!
2.) I could certainly see a documentary being made to preserve the memory of 'Turn off the Dark'! Or maybe even a "making-of" biopic movie/book, like ‘Ed Wood’ or ‘The Disaster Artist' (even if 'Turn Off the Dark' isn't seen anything of the "so bad it's good" caliber as 'The Room' or ‘Planet 9 From Outer Space’).
3.) Of course Patrick Page is the show-stealer! He is a stellar actor with an amazing resumé under his belt! He's best known for Hades in the Broadway smash show 'Hadestown', but he's played so many other villainous roles onstage! The Disney Broadway fandom perhaps best knows him for performing as Frollo from the stage version of 'The Hunchback of Notre Dame'! (You should totally have a listen to his cover of "Hellfire"! : ruclips.net/video/FsWqMzHN5EQ/видео.html)
I haven’t seen the video yet but I already agree! SMTOTD is such a bizarre project that could have been something truly special if it had been executed differently.
I do remember seeing the news report on one of the stuntmen falling to his injury back in 2010, this play was a crazy expensive disaster from it’s very inception.
I’ve been saying this for years now. 1.0 wasn’t that bad. Even Glen Berger admits they almost had it by the time they fired Taymor.
The Spiderman swinging over the crowd is cool, but if I was in the audience I would he terrified he would fall on me the whole time
This definitely has to be one of my favorite videos from Pup! Super entertaining, in depth and fascinating. Good work! Also the literal shout outs had me crying laughing😂
Thanks Ethan!
I'm very late on this (rewatched the Lady Emily video again and got your vid suggested lmao), but I thoroughly enjoyed your video essay. A couple notes from someone coming far more from the theatre side of things than the Spiderman side of things:
1) I really do have to emphasis just how fucking insane the budget on TOtD was. The average Broadway musical has a budget of 10-15 million, while plays are more in the range of 5 million. Only 40% of Broadway shows are financially successful on their initial run (though many make back their investment through tours and licensing afterwards). The second most expensive musical in Broadway history? Shrek the Musical at 25 million. TOtD cost 75 MILLION in the end, with running costs of over 1 million dollars a week, meaning that it would have to sell out for 7 years straight just to break even - this was literally never going to make back its money.
2) Bono and the Edge wrote a TERRIBLE Broadway score. I'm not saying they were bad at music. I'm saying that they didn't understand how songs function in musicals. In musicals, songs have to either a) move the action forward, b) illuminate the characters, or c) both (move the characters' emotionally forward). The vast majority of the songs didn't do any of those things, so it was, essentially, not a functional musical - the songs were, broadly speaking, just treading water and wasting time. I have nothing against pop/rock artists choosing to write musicals (see Waitress, Kinky Boots, Groundhog Day, etc.), but it's essential that the artist understand how musicals work - and Bono and the Edge clearly didn't put in the effort.
3) Part of the reason Julie Taymor refused to make the needed revisions was because she was determined to see the whole show all the way through without technical difficulties before doing so. That was the reason, above all else, that she was kicked off the project - they literally couldn't begin fixing it because there hadn't been a single clean show after months of previews. A logical person would have realized that the stunts needed to be revised or scaled back in some capacity right away, even before doing script/music revisions, if only for the sake of the poor stuntpeople. Julie Taymor was not that person. I don't blame them for a second for ultimately deciding to oust her.
This is literally Milo Murphy’s Law,but it doesn’t reset every episode with no repercussions
13:39 When you said "Let's raise the other one (eyebrow)" I think it's pretty obvious that that's the queue because that is no such thing as a student that reminds the teacher to hand how homework no matter how smart and/or geeky they are.
15:42 It may be silly but I do like the detail of the comic book captions of Pow when he starts using his powers. It may be a weird comparison but it kind of reminds me of how Miles's thoughts in Into The Spider-Verse only become comic book captions until he gets the Spider-Bite symbolizes how he has become a superhero.
20:03 So the people who made this plat couldn't count... nice to know.
At university I had some obligatory business class, and in the textbook there was a chapter about this musical. The point of the chapter was about knowing how to properly direct employees to achieve the best results. If I recall it right, it said that the director, Julie Taymor, did her best work with someone around to reign in her ambitious plans, but the higher ups for this musical didn't know that and just knew she had done good work in the past and basically let her do whatever she wanted, and that led to it being an over the top, expensive, and dangerous production.
Alternate title: Retrospective of the great stuntman massacre of 2010.
Spider-Man and Theater are two of the oldest loves of my life. I’ve been performing on stage since I was 8 and I’ve been reading/watching Spider-Man even longer. That being said it is very hard for me to hate or even dislike this musical at all. The mere fact that a Spider-Man musical exists at all is so interesting and exciting to me and the combination of the theatrical arts with Spider-Man makes it easy for me to love it. I honestly think this show was way ahead of it’s time, in 2012 audiences we’re adapting to the darker tone of the first TASM film and weren’t ready to see a campy Spider-Man musical. I think in todays pop culture climate with all of the multiverse stuff going on and spiderverse I think audiences would be way more down with this kind of thing. I wish this show was remembered more fondly by the fans because it really was a work of art.
I unironically love this musical,
Rise Above 2
A Freak Like Me Needs Company
DIY World
Pull The Trigger
If The World Should End
Are all fantastic songs on their own right and If The World Should End in particular is an incredible song to do a duet to.
Edit: if you want to hear more Reeve Carney (Spider-Man) and Patrick Paige (Green Goblin) they are both leads for Hadestown
I cant wait for the *Pub Cut* with GOING GREEN
Don't forget NO WAY JOSE'.
On rewatch i think the biggest red flag for me was the composers not liking how musicals are produced because anyone who doesnt like songs even from phantom of the opera bothers me
Petition for a Turn Off the Dark cameo in Beyond the Spider Verse where he just falls through the floor
so edgy
@@sebastianmguia1673 What about my comment was edgy?
@@Manel-dq2kb all
@@sebastianmguia1673 you may wanna look up what "edgy" means
@@Manel-dq2kb edgy means edgy
I'm happy at least swiss Miss made a cameo in across the spider-verse. I saw this show on Broadway in 2012 and liked it.
Still better that that Superman musical from the 70's.
Thanks for this, Pup. I missed everything about it besides its announcement so it's nice to get an education about it.
The red and blue gradient is pretty cool. They should have went with a more purplish-blue so it’s not as drastic. Kinda different
For some reason, this reminded me of when at the beginning of the year, there was a guy at my college in a Spider-Man costume who showed up to one of the buildings every Friday for a few weeks.
I always love hearing stories about this stage show, yeah its not perfect but there was a beating heart of love and passion put into but a lot of things kinda got in the way for it being successful. Maybe in another life it did well and was just as beloved as everything else.
Say what you Will About Spider-Man turn off the dark, but it was accurate for Spider-Man for stage Show that had the Trademark Peter Parker luck.
Oh yikes! I guess you’re right 😅
There's some outside the box thinking.
It’s odd having a Carnage without an association with a Venom
I screamed when you mentioned lady Emily, and My brother asked why I was screaming and I just said "You won't understand" and he was like "K"
Oh yeah, Lady Emily makes excellent content. I discovered her with her AVGN video.
i Don't think there's anyone saying far from home is the biggest disaster, SM 3 and ASM 2 killed their respective franchises. far from home was like by people in general and was accepted worldwide. made more than a billion.
it's rating ranged from good to great when it came out
Never saw it, but I think the "Turn off the Dark" is a clever name.
The comics that J. Michael Straczynski wrote do good job of adding mystical elements, without replacing the science fiction parts. Maybe the musical was trying achieve something similar.
I’m looking to watch both versions of this musical and I was wondering if you know how I can find a good quality recording of the 1.0 version
YOOO i remember taking a vacation to new york when i was 12 and seeing this. there wasn’t any technical difficulties that happened when i saw it but i definitely can believe they happened lol. i also remember rlly liking it, but then again, i was 12.
Think we'll ever see the Turn Off the Dark Spider-Man in Spider-Verse movie?
If they're not cowards.
He was referenced in the Spider Verse comic
I love when he SCREAMS HIS PATRIONS OUT!!!
I just realized something is THIS spiderman part of the multiverse, meaning with the MCU and sony verse.
I saw it irl and the green goblin called me out bruh
Huh, what an interesting Idea and Story, is it still going on? If not, i wonder what kind of Musical could be made instead?
Any ideas?
The name "Turn of the dark"sounds sick,
Could be cool as a Symbiote Spidey story name
This is a holly grail of Spiderman media for me. This is one of the most misguided attempts of adapting comic book. Still better then The Amazing Spiderman 2 and Black Adam
The Asian girl TV Carpio. Is also in the movie limitless with Bradley Cooper. She's the hot landlord 😂
Why are you not a fan of musicals in cinema?
Channel Pup, will you make a video about Japanese Spiderman please?
Lemme do a little more research on it and watch it properly and I'll absolutely do it.
awesome.
This channel has the dawg in it.
I know this "Performance." was flopped and The actor Of Spider-Man got injured, But I feel like this adaption of Spider-Man could have been used instead of Andrew Garfield movies no offense to the actor, Or they could have turned this into A Live Action TV-Series, With 10 Episodes each season.
Idk if youve done so already but would love if you could do a video on the Spider-Man show from Universal Studios in California that was running back in 2002-2003 I believe.
You have to wonder: if the show was made today with updated technology and new films, do you guys think it would be successful?
Spider-Man Far From was a theatrical disaster?
Depends who you ask. Not in my opinion. I just went for the most controversial entry in each series.
@@ChannelPup Yeah, I like the Tom Holland movies caused they made me really happy during my childhood
Yeah, for some reason some people are really don't like it. But just like with SW Attack Of The Clones I don't give a crap and I love it, and overall I love Tom Hollands Trilogy of MCU Spiderman
I had no idea there was another version with Arachnie being the main villain.
So many years and budget wasted for a theatrical disaster
U know the variant of the suit that was shown in that play years ago would’ve made a cool addition to a Spider-Man game…..like…if insomniac would think about adding some honorable suit mentions to the gallery for Peter Parker I would have this suit to be one of those honorable mentions to be added in the game…but that’s just my opinion though….plus…this suit and the Disney theme park Spider-Man suit would be great dlc suits….but again…that’s just my honest opinion
I want to see doc Ock and sandman
Good video, but I’m commenting after Across the Spider-Verse came out, and there was NO Japanese Spider-Man to be found. Kinda disappointing, to be honest.
But still, great video about a show that I’ve never heard about. Well, I heard that there was a Spider-Man musical, but I didn’t know it was called “Turn Off The Dark” or that it had Greek mythology in it.
I think the suit design for Spider-Man actually pretty decent but the rest of the designs are definitely *questionable*
13:08 wait… what!???
I always wanted to see this as a kid I knew that it was going to be a train wreck I grew up dancing on stage and I knew something like spiderman was too innovative and a trainwreck waiting to happen but I loved Spiderman and wanted to see it
Can we get turn of the dark in Across the Spider Verse
Turn Off the Dark kinda went hard tbh 🤐
I did like the NY Debut track
I remember seeing this when I was around 14 or 15. Even then, I found the stunts, flying, and production quality really impressive… but the story was complete nonsense and actually annoyed me as a Spider-Man fan
I love this musical
I agree
Another amazing video 🔥🔥🔥
Gotta be honest
I kinda like the logo on this suit
7:25 🍔
My name says it all
Maybe in 10 to 15 years maybe will get a revival but get marvel and disney inolved
Burgor
I've never heard of this thing in my entire life !
All I have to say about this show…what in the actual heck
Didn't the main actor kept getting hurt.
Sure marvel will make this musical, but not Rodgers the musical, cowards
They're making it and it'll play at Avengers Campus at the Disney Parks. It won't be full length though. Probably just a few numbers.