Law: you signed up for this ? Man City: absolutey Law: you cheated ? Man City: kind of Law: so you’re guilty ? Man City: no the Premier league wont let us finance ourselves with fake sponsorships ! Thats unfair !!
As you have evidence proving Man City's guilt, perhaps you should contact the PL and pass it on to them. You and people like you are lucky you are anonymous or yo would have been taken to court for slander. If I were to set up a FB page, claiming you were a crook, without showing the evidence, you wouldn't be very happy
Isn't part of the question City are asking is whether it is indeed the 'law'? It's the 'rules' but the Competition Act is the law, and the rules may be in breach of that and so shouldn't stand. We'll see but quite a few legal commentators think the FFP rules are anti-competitive so there's a case to be heard.
So this is your uneducated opinion it’s fine. We’re entitled to opinions but whether they are factual and they’re actually true now that’s another story great story by the way mate. Sort of fits everybody else’s viewpoint as well doesn’t it? They like to soak up the bullshit from the media
The worst thing about Man City's approach is that it is insulting the intelligence of all football fans. Trying to say their action is to increase competition whilst we all know it's designed to extend their current advantage by reducing competition. They are making laughing stocks of themselves.
City aren't the highest spenders in the league. Expelling City still leaves the spending gap at the top. You're just saying you earned the right to... not that it's anti competitive.
So you would be happy for City to join the European clubs and make a European super league?? You think that would be good for the English super league (PL) ???
@@danielberry4765 No need to get upset 😂😂. I was only questioning the logic of pushing the PL's highest quality footballing side towards a European super league.
They really need to investigate CFG as a whole too, because they’ve got clubs in Japan and New York making 200m losses. There’s no way they aren’t hiding finances from City’s business in the accounts of their other clubs.
Or you could say man city have been charged with a crime, which looks more likely there guilty of so now they want to challenge the actual law itself . Ridiculous, they need to be put in there place.
@johnmccadden9963 can u prove city cheated. It's crazy to think tribalism is more important than actual law. Since when it is another person's right to determine fair value for what someone else is willing to pay. If u sell your house for 50 million quid and someone offers u are 100 million, who is anybody else to tell you that it's worth 15 max.? That's not how business works. Hence why it is against uk business laws.
@saxonjedi5878 to be fair some American politicians when asked about getting rid of the electoral college and going with just the popular vote always respond with "popular vote would mean mob rule" that's just a more refined way of saying the same thing City owners did here.
I doubt the Premier League have the balls to actually punish Manchester City. So much noise about this but they will weasel their way out of this. Watch
Yep they fear the punishment so have come out swinging in a attempt to lessen it I think which is a big gamble because it might make it worse not better
It's just the sheer arrogance of Manchester City who think the league revolves around them. I wish there was a way they could be thrown out of the PL, and if that isn't possible I wish the other 19 clubs would flat out refuse to play against them.
No it's the arrogance to think the league doesn't revolve around United, Liverpool, and Arsenal. Anyone can take advantage. It's just that none of your owners want to or have to.
You forgot spurs it's a big 4 Cartel, Chelsea and Man City gate crashed before they could change the rules, they changed them Mid season to stop Newcastle becoming competitive, it's a restricive practice without a dowt and anti competitive, the rules should be fair to all clubs not just the establishment.
@@bjgaming3042 Ah...you mean back in the days when you could stop clubs buying key players by outbidding them using a 650 million pound loan from the bank - which still hasn't yet been repaid? Yes, I'm talking to all those MU fans that love to claim the moral high ground by saying money doesn't buy success.
Not for the city fans we have had the time of our lives I’ll just focus on the football side I can’t be arsed with finances that’s got nothing to do with me, just focus on 5 in a row.
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As a Luton supporter I’m pleased to be back in the championship. The premier league is not what it is made out to be. Everything about it is just focused on the money. Football and the fans come way down the list.
Where have you been for the last decade or so his anti City agenda is legendary. This is a guy who thinks owners syphoning money out of a club for close to two decades operating with £1bn debts is fine and dandy. While down the road in nearby Manchester owners who take no dividends operating debt free and ploughing the profits back into the club is a disgrace.
That's the Americans they want the esl but need the best clubs if city join the rest will follow afterall everybody wants to play the best fans don't want it now but what if as is happening they make it untenable for city to play in the pl there's only so far you can push someone look between the lines
Im lost as to how people think the current rules are “fair” Villa qualify for Champions League and are forced to sell players just to comply with FFP/PSR despite the club having 0 debt and being more than financially stable How does that equal a fair league in the interest of the club? For anyone commenting “play the long game” that avenue is now closed, if you really think Villa could just keep going as they are and ever catch ManUtd, Liverpool etc you dont have a clue For the record I dont think it should be a “spend what you like” I think it should be a hard cap for EVERY team thats the same across the board, if needed owners can put money into a bond/escrow to cover the sustainability, id like someone to explain why this wouldnt work…
I think the rule should be something like the lower you are in the league, the higher your cap for the next year e.g whoever was 17th the previous year has a higher spending cap than 16th, all the way up to 1st, which would have the lowest spending cap. And similar to what you said regarding escrow, if a club wants to spend 100 million on a player, you can say to the owners, “fine, you can spend that…but you have to put 100million into escrow on top of that that’s held for a number of years and returned after a certain period of time/needed for emergencies. I know that’s bare bones, but that enables “smaller” clubs to compete for better players. I know people will say “but then clubs will intentionally lose games to get a better spending cap”, but I think the promise of European football on one end and relegation on the other mitigates that. Also ensures that rich owners can spend up to the cap on their team, provided they can front their spending in escrow as well as insurance for the financial safety of the clubs. Also means that richer owners may buy championship/league one level clubs, try to get them into the Premier League, then you can have a rules where promoted teams have the largest spending cap, meaning that they can buy great players, and hopefully that wealth and class will seep into the lower leagues. But simplistic, but just a thought.
All nice arguments. But let’s not forget why City are suing the PL. To cover their transgressions before the trial in November and pretend to be Robin Hood for the poor.
@@jammyjamjars6995 i agree with all the above, something has to change, there is no way it can continue like this in any case Ironically we have FFP/PSR but none of the rules are actually to do with Fairness, actual Profit or Sustainability. Even Wolves used as an example a few years ago they were pushing on, qualified your europe then were for ed to sell players for PSR (Neves, Nunes etc) now theyre basically battling relegation again, thats what the current model does and keeps the same teams consistently at the top
@@nathanj109 No one offended me, seems I offended you though so sorry about that 😂😂 I just find it funny how any time he makes an observation arsenal fans don't agree with they flood the comments crying. Now they're his biggest fan. I don't support Man City so idc
Don't relegate them, suspend them until both cases are heard that way it will force Man City to get their act together and force them to have the cases heard rather than them keep on dragging it out. Then if found guilty or not guilty you can apply the punishment or let them back in the league.
@@StrictlyCity1894 It's not just that. In a normal business you would get suspended but on full pay until the matter is sorted. But City can never get the points they would lose back if they are acquitted of the 115.
I remember the original charges years ago when City opted for a 10m fine for not handing over paperwork instead of handing it over essentially for free without being fined. What business that operates on profit & loss, that then has to account for that 10m in expenses in a case regarding false revenue chooses to pay 10 whole million pounds haha. That & now this, if they aren’t the biggest indictment of guilt I don’t know what is.
Surely the fact they are trying to get this rule changed is an indicator of them previously inflating prices for their own benefit, which you would imagine is not going to help them in the November 115 case later in the year. They are trying to create their own market
given their world wide investments including saving Barclays bank from bankruptcy why not ?- footballs a business - The RED CARTEL instigated the EPL because they WERE rich and powerful and now they are the poor men in the ring and they do not like it.
@@Lfcsweden-n5m That's going a bit too far mate. Murder of a dissident and Related Party/ suspicious Transactions shouldn't be in the same conversation.
Only reason this is happening is because Real Madrid were able to build a new stadium and sign Endrick + Mbappe while still being within their FFP limits. City likely think they should have been a front runner but were restricted due to the rules. Typical classless club throwing their toys out of the pram
Remember when the same Real Madrid sold their training ground to the Spanish government for 300 million euro and then the government gifted it back to Real Madrid for free. But yeah, that is all good and fair.
@@Marais-cu3vo The government didn't gift it back to Real Madrid for free. That's a lie. The club have returned some of the money from the sale, as it was regarded to be unfairly priced. The EU has found no other wrong-doing in the case.
the argument around these payments was only brought in when Saudi bought Newcastle, so i'm not sure why city claim this is against them - unless they're conceding that their sponsorship deals are at risk of failing the fair market tests. These rules should've been brought in back when city was first bought, or not at all - not when Newcastle were bought 15 years later. Likewise, multi-club ownership & transfers were never an issue, until Newcastle had a massive injury crisis & the media began suggesting they'd use cheap transfers from the saudi league - if any club had a case for being singled out, it isn't city
Absolutely, as a Leeds fan, I was very disappointed with our recent play-off final performance, and it would have been nice to be back in the Premiership. But in all honesty, we would have really struggled unless we had invested very heavily. We are still paying the price for the last season in the Premiership, when some of our so-called player investments weren't up to it. It's not great fun watching your team get beat week after week either.
commercials deals always had to be market value when FFP was introduced but it was impossible to enforce without deeper intervention and oversight. everyone knew City's deals weren't market value and when the Saudi's bought NUFC they saw what was about to happen (based on what happened at City) they then said we need extras oversight of deals and sign off from the league before the club finalises the deal, but this was just to enforce the market value rules that had always been in place. it's City fault these extra steps were introduced, not Newcastle's.
@@andywilliams8540it’s funny how people like you conveniently turn a blind eye to when and why ffp was “made up” in the first place 😂 I’m sure you were more than happy for Utd, arsenal and Liverpool to spend whatever they wanted on whoever they wanted and handpick all the best youngsters from all over the country without any repercussions, before ffp was introduced.
How hypocritical. Simon supports all the Chelsea shenanigans and the Big 4 having established their financial basis now want to restrict any completion from clubs like Aston Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Newcastle etc. "Morally wrong" yet you support every Chelsea move who bend the rules at every opportunity?#!
Expulsion is the answer. Put down a marker and nip this in the bud. Promote leeds, keep the league at 20 teams. Put it to a vote. I bet city would lose that vote comfortably
If City win this suit, it would make the Premier League unviable. What do you do as a club when certain teams can bully their way to doing what they want, while you have to follow the rules. I would then be in favor of a seperate league and I would turf the Premier League. No point trying to operate in a fixed league.
Yes absolutely this is why most of their rules are not sustainable in a normal business world telling businessmen and companies how to spend their money effectively I guarantee you if they just let people spend their money how they want to spend it the league would be a lot more competitiveyou don’t see rules like this in any other leagues? Do you correct me if I’m wrong?
@@podgecoleman5519 I’m not sure La Liga does. I don’t think they have his strict rules as the Premier League. I mean look at Real Madrid. I might be wrong though.
Premier League’s reputation as ‘best league in the world’, is in tatters, regardless of what happens to Man City. Once even a question mark is put against achievements, whether it’s just or not, less people will take it seriously. The global audience the league has built up over the last 30 years, will walk away in the next few years. It’s going to happen. The FA and Premier League took the money, kicked the can down the road, , and left governance for when it was too late. The good news, is the tourist fans won’t come anymore. We’ll get our clubs back, in terms of affordability. But we will be watching a lower quality product.
Citeh were always going to take this course of action as it was their only option in terms of the pretence of innocence. They will seek to drag this out for many more years to come. Money is no object for their owners. Ultimately, they are going to either ruin Citeh or ruin PL football.
Simon is soooo spot on, u don't come into a league then complain about its laws to the point were u sue the league.. That's just rubbish from City's owners
What Simon was saying is he is unsure if legally that could be implemented. My Girlfriend is a City fan but honestly I myself am angry at the situation Manchester City have created. I am a Chelsea fan & she keeps saying about the rules we broke but what she cant grasp is because of the way The Premier League rules are written out you cant go back far enough you can only go back 10 years in terms of punishment & our rules infringements go back to when Abramovich first bought the club in 2003 you cant go back that far. Football is like the Wild West lawless now a day's.
@@alanfox691 so you agree the PL brought in these rules to stop City?... These rules never existed when the status quo clubs were buying their success but now those same clubs are pushing fair play rules against City because they fear them and using the PL to stop City and other ambitious clubs!... Its the old "do what I say not what I did" scenario!!! 😬
Problem with democracy in the PL or anywhere is that it is based on the understanding that everyone involved follows the same social and moral contract. As we have seen with sectarian voting recently in the UK where by Muslims vote for Muslim candidates regardless of policy or meritocracy it will be the same in the PL if more foreign owners buy PL teams.
This shows how guilty they are... They are trying to create a loophole in the recent past, so they can use against allegations from years ago basically so they can say, "it wasn't fair now so it wasn't fair then"
As an Arsenal fan this is why it was so disappointing to see so many neutral fans celebrating City's premier league triumph. I have nothing against the players and the manager, over the course of the campaign they were ever so slightly better when it mattered, but fans who celebrated their triumph have no right to be angry with City in general. Everyone knew they were cheating, everyone knows they they should be relegated and teams like Everton and Forest shoyld be absolutely fuming that they will probable get away with it. They should be put in the trh division and made to work their way back up.
I think you have it the wrong way round mate. The majority of football fans in England were gutted when City thieved another title. Most of us wanted Arsenal to win, and did not celebrate City's win in any way.
They were happy to swiftly go after and punish Forest and Everton last season, yet Man City can still go on with 115 breaches and now trying to sue the PL! Simon is bang on, chuck them out and let them join the Saudi league.
City have totally misread the room on this one. The Talksport financial expert maintains that this has nothing to do with the 115 charges. I venture to suggest that he has got that completely wrong. With words like “discrimination” and “the tyranny of the majority” I think they have shown their hand. If they loose this case they can say “I told you so” and in doing so they think it is putting pressure on the outcome of the 115 case. I didn’t care about all that before now, but I sincerely hope they are given very substantial punishment!
Oh, so you're judge and jury now are you? Perhaps let the investigation conclude before suggesting substantial punishment eh. That's how we operate in this county.
@@SteTrax firstly, your comment “that’s how we operate in this country” is bordering on racism. Never assume anything about me and where I am from, you know NOTHING!!! Secondly, I never said anything that I claimed was a fact, merely my opinion. In case you are not aware, I am entitled to my opinion & that is how things operate in the United Kingdom. I reiterate my opinion that City have totally misread the room and if you want to throw the “that’s how we operate in this country” at me, then how about the statement made by City criticising “the tyranny of the majority”? That is more commonly known as democracy, which is the way we operate in the United Kingdom!!!
@@SteTrax If you know anything about this country, you`d know that anyone that goes against the “the tyranny of the majority”, is essentially trying to get rid of Democracy and install or establish an Autocracy or Dictatorship of the "strongest" or "richest" and its not a coincidence that the Autocracy or Dictatorship of the "strongest" or "richest" its pretty common in Middle-eastern countries where the City owners come from... not in UK though. Therefore, if you ought to remind someone of how "we operate in this country", you should tell that to City owners.
If they lose this next case and they're found guilty on the 115 charges, they will go down as the biggest cheats in footballing history and probably one of the biggest cheats in sporting history. I feel sorry for the city fan base and if I was a fan, I'd want them owners gone, no matter what they've brought to the club because if they're found guilty, it could truly mean the end of that club and stuck in league 1 for many years. Is it truly worth it for trophies that will have an astrix over them and your club seeing as nothing but cheats?
@@SteTraxSo you have to know someone personally to have an opinion about them? Do you know the person who's comment you're replying to...like personally? Thought not.
So...when there was a rumour of a potential Liverpool sueing for the Tottenham game everyone was saying they were crazy. City actually did sue the PL and with sinister manipulating intent...This is insane.
I used to like City and when they got the chance to be successful I was glad. But now they are nothing but bullies. I hope they lose this battle and shut up. Must be hard for City fans who are honest enough to know this is not right.
Anything less than relegation out of the football league and removal of all trophies isn’t enough. Otherwise it was worth it so teams are guaranteed to do it again.
The other Premier League clubs and fans have to make a stand against City. Perhaps away fans should boycott going to The Etiihad Stadium and make it as difficult as possible for City fans to go to away games.
It's very simple, throw them out of the EPL. Don't relegate them. Throw them out of the EPL and prevent them from competing in ANY football for 12 months. Oh and take their unfairly earned titles away from them as well.
I can imagine if not sorted , that the same people under different corporate names could buy up different teams in league to actually control the majority
Simon’s reactionary bullshit about city over the last few years has fuelled so much hate towards the fans of the club. He’s a man who has sued every time he had the chance.
It's extremely concerning that possibly the most corruptly run club in modern football,may be untouchable and above the law.Loathsome behaviour.If they get away with this then modern football is fixed.
Mr Jordan. Premier Football is looking over a precipice. 1. If England don't win the Euros our faith in our Premier players will plummet. 2. If Man City win their case it will bring chaos to our Premier League. 3. Wanting to play Premier games in USA and elsewhere. The fans do NOT want that. Add all these three points together and the future looks very bleak. Worrying time.
City aren't ruining football the PL did that themselves by allowing a nation state to run a club in the first place. All that's happening now is the inevitable consequence of decades of the PL's own greed they've created a well oiled machine that's too powerful for them to control. There's every chance City will win this particular case fair and square because we're operating in legal realms where what is "fair" in the purely sporting sense is completely irrelevant.
I GUARANTEE anyone commenting "they think its unlawful they have a right" is either a City, Newcastle or a Chelsea fan. Every other fan in the country can see it for what it is, cheating.
Where are the voices of those Man City fans, old school fans, who must be embarrassed and ashamed to high hell of this behaviour and attitude of the people who own their beloved club. Even if it's just a handful, who know this is melting footy in England. If it were my club I'd care a lot less about success than the method of achieving it. Things must be really bad if I find myself agreeing with Simon Jordan
Simon talking sense there. I long ago lost faith in the legitimacy of the Premier League due to Man City. I now view it as being somewhat akin to the Tour de France before Lance Armstrong was stripped of all his wins. The legitimacy of English league football is now tainted and nothing short of stripping Man City of their titles and banishing them to the lower leagues will save it. Firm action needs to be taken. It should hopefully also send out the message to the likes of Newcastle's owners.
We all just wish it wad our club to be honest...we wish we had their money, manager, facilities,players.. but we've not so we hate them, but we're really envious..🤔
No that wouldn’t work because that would just result in finishing in minus points and just relegate them to the championship whereas they should be relegated to the very bottom
if found guilty of any more than 10 of the 115 man city need to be thrown out of the league and barred from ever being in the prem again not just relegated
Two of Englands most successful clubs have the stench of matchfixing in their tarnished history……..City are filthy rich attract the best players you lot have bought shite ……..
What Simon would like would be a total ban on foreign money in PL clubs. That way he could still own a PL club and be beaten senseless by any other country's team. He will have to deal with the fact that even his place as a commentator wouldn't be there without foreign money, as the PL wouldn't be the best league in the world, as it is today. Sorry Simon, money talks and bull*!"t walks.
They should kicked out of the Premier league and sent down to the 7th tier of English football. Their trophies revoked over the past 10 or whatever years. The club is a stain of football
City need be punished, if Everton, forest etc get points deducted for minor infractions then at a minimum City should be relegated to the championship. It’s a closed shop at the top of the league. Everyone making a thing of Newcastle being bought by a Saudi investment group, like it’s the only bit of foreign/arab money in the premiership. It’s a joke
So would i cheats should be made an example of . Strip titles and relegate to the bottom tier of leave the fa competitions . Stop sister clubs as well .
Don’t always agree with Simon but he is bang on here, these Arabs knew the PL rules long before they bought City. What’s next, looping limbs off players instead of red cards.
Good on them. Why can Arsenal spend £250 million in one season but the likes of Nottingham F, Everton, Newcastle and Aston Villa can't even though their owners have the cash? You either put a spending cap or allow everyone to spend as much as they can afford.
@@MrKbassett17that is bullshit!! That’s more of like gate keeping and stuff, why wouldn’t I spend the same amount if I have it ?🤷🏾♂️ what’s wrong about that? I think they really trying to keep the same top 4 as the rumours say. The only thing that can be regulated is the money spent in each window. Not this nosensense!
Because Arsenal generated the income!!!! For years Arsenal were paying for their stadium and were selling their best players to Chelsea & Man City. So why pick on them? Man City spent £1.5 BILLION Net & a lot of that was only because they cheated the rules..!!!!!
So basically the rules started right when City was bought! Very interesting timing 🤔because before that Chelsea was buying and spending with no limit and nobody cared to do anything!
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Law: you signed up for this ?
Man City: absolutey
Law: you cheated ?
Man City: kind of
Law: so you’re guilty ?
Man City: no the Premier league wont let us finance ourselves with fake sponsorships ! Thats unfair !!
As you have evidence proving Man City's guilt, perhaps you should contact the PL and pass it on to them. You and people like you are lucky you are anonymous or yo would have been taken to court for slander. If I were to set up a FB page, claiming you were a crook, without showing the evidence, you wouldn't be very happy
If you have any evidence please do share.
Ity signed up. Utd changed the rules.
Not that's what you signed up for.
Isn't part of the question City are asking is whether it is indeed the 'law'? It's the 'rules' but the Competition Act is the law, and the rules may be in breach of that and so shouldn't stand. We'll see but quite a few legal commentators think the FFP rules are anti-competitive so there's a case to be heard.
So this is your uneducated opinion it’s fine. We’re entitled to opinions but whether they are factual and they’re actually true now that’s another story great story by the way mate. Sort of fits everybody else’s viewpoint as well doesn’t it? They like to soak up the bullshit from the media
The worst thing about Man City's approach is that it is insulting the intelligence of all football fans. Trying to say their action is to increase competition whilst we all know it's designed to extend their current advantage by reducing competition. They are making laughing stocks of themselves.
Ha, intelligence of football fans! This car has highlighted more than most things that there is little intelligence out there.
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You forgot The Masters of Delusion, Whataboutery and Chicanery part…
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City aren't the highest spenders in the league. Expelling City still leaves the spending gap at the top. You're just saying you earned the right to... not that it's anti competitive.
Womp womp, soft lad
Simon talking nothing but the truth. It was their decision to invest into the PL, not the PL's , if they dont like it they could go somewhere else.
So you would be happy for City to join the European clubs and make a European super league??
You think that would be good for the English super league (PL) ???
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Yes. Jog on.
@chrismcgregor272 yes , please leave , go and cheat over there somewhere else not the EPL ok
@@danielberry4765 No need to get upset 😂😂.
I was only questioning the logic of pushing the PL's highest quality footballing side towards a European super league.
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City are a rogue agent.
I’d prefer they were expelled before they joined the Super League.
Change the rules where legal fees have to go through the books too. Make them think twice.
If it is Man City sueing the PL the legal costs should 100% go through their financial statements. Saying that as an account.
@@Paul-vl2wg Should is always a negative phrase to me,
would show in financial statements sounds better, 🤗
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Tyranny manifest.
They really need to investigate CFG as a whole too, because they’ve got clubs in Japan and New York making 200m losses. There’s no way they aren’t hiding finances from City’s business in the accounts of their other clubs.
Absolutely would expel City.
I'd love to watch Arsenal be the best team in England, but I have too much pride.
You gonna have to wait forever. You know that, don't you?
The Championship isn't supposed to be a punishment centre for the PL.
They shouldn't be made to accept City.
@@yt.personal.identificationoh no further down. So far down they’ll need to create a new league
@@ThePrairieKing Non league it is.
It's just like a criminal claiming to be not guilty because the handcuffs were too tight
It's like those mob bosses in the past who claimed they were "honest business men" when in front of a judge.🤣
Or you could say man city have been charged with a crime, which looks more likely there guilty of so now they want to challenge the actual law itself . Ridiculous, they need to be put in there place.
Not even been proven ya loon. Get back in your box, soft lad
Just like george floyd😏
@@alexalexalex797 piss off yank
I'd ban them for being plastic .
Grow up
Ban them from the league forever horrible team worst team in Manchester and that’s really had to say
@@willtoon88cat you ok hun?
You'd have to ban Chelsea too.
Better now?
Don’t usually agree with Simon Jordan but he’s spot on here - the premier league should throw Man City out. They will quickly be forgotten.
Be newcastle next then will it ? Pathetic
@mcfcok3773 No. Newcastle haven't cheated and they're not corrupt. You might understand the difference one day....
@johnmccadden9963 can u prove city cheated. It's crazy to think tribalism is more important than actual law. Since when it is another person's right to determine fair value for what someone else is willing to pay. If u sell your house for 50 million quid and someone offers u are 100 million, who is anybody else to tell you that it's worth 15 max.? That's not how business works. Hence why it is against uk business laws.
@@johnmccadden9963 okay buddy
Anyone who beats a red ream loses 20 points. Fixed it for you
City really said "tyranny of the majority" ??? 😳😳 that might be the dumbest phrase I have ever heard
It’s not as if they believe in democracy out there is it 😅
yea,, they did earlier last week i believe
They still have slavery in the middle east and 50 year olds marry kids. This is perfectly normal for them.
@saxonjedi5878 to be fair some American politicians when asked about getting rid of the electoral college and going with just the popular vote always respond with "popular vote would mean mob rule" that's just a more refined way of saying the same thing City owners did here.
@@adammohamed..
These tyrants that rule there are British made .
The irony in this whole situation!
I doubt the Premier League have the balls to actually punish Manchester City. So much noise about this but they will weasel their way out of this. Watch
Totally Agree old chap
They probably want a larger check
nah City have declared war now. this will be their downfall.
Nah not a chance City are getting it mark my words. When they docked Everton & Forest I knew City's time is coming
Hmm I dunno...I think citeh have crossed a line here.
They’ve done this because they know charges are coming
Yep they fear the punishment so have come out swinging in a attempt to lessen it I think which is a big gamble because it might make it worse not better
Good chat guys 🤦🏻♂️
It's just the sheer arrogance of Manchester City who think the league revolves around them. I wish there was a way they could be thrown out of the PL, and if that isn't possible I wish the other 19 clubs would flat out refuse to play against them.
No it's the arrogance to think the league doesn't revolve around United, Liverpool, and Arsenal. Anyone can take advantage. It's just that none of your owners want to or have to.
You forgot spurs it's a big 4 Cartel, Chelsea and Man City gate crashed before they could change the rules, they changed them Mid season to stop Newcastle becoming competitive, it's a restricive practice without a dowt and anti competitive, the rules should be fair to all clubs not just the establishment.
@@LionKingMCFCExactly!! 😂
The irony of these bitter better shirts is unbelievable.
@@LionKingMCFCbecause they all
Won titles without cheating my guy 😂
@@bjgaming3042 Ah...you mean back in the days when you could stop clubs buying key players by outbidding them using a 650 million pound loan from the bank - which still hasn't yet been repaid? Yes, I'm talking to all those MU fans that love to claim the moral high ground by saying money doesn't buy success.
Sue the league so they can get out off 115. City won't be remembered for winning titles but for ruining football.
👏👏👏👏
Not for the city fans we have had the time of our lives I’ll just focus on the football side I can’t be arsed with finances that’s got nothing to do with me, just focus on 5 in a row.
@@madeinengland9488 It's not real lad
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Stop state ownership and put the ownership into the hands of the fans.
That horse has bolted: the German model should have been implemented when the EPL was estd. in 1992
But your club is owned by Americans. Not European, definitely not fans.
City have no fans so would be screwed.
...and since when have fans successfully managed to run anything?.....ever? 😵💫
If f ing only.
As a Luton supporter I’m pleased to be back in the championship. The premier league is not what it is made out to be. Everything about it is just focused on the money. Football and the fans come way down the list.
And as a Man United fan, good riddance..no one's gonna miss Luton.
Spot on ,non league has better engagement with fans and treats them with respect.
@@mrhussain9008as another man United fan you are a PRAT
@@mrhussain9008 yes they are!, melt
See you in 27 years for another season 😂
The premier league have no other option but to kick them out.
😂😂😂😂😂
😂 Super league
Kick them out for seeking redress in the court of law?? I never knew until now is a crime to seek redress in a court of law
and strip them of their PL titles.
@@FACTSCHECKERR 😂 using a Liverpool slogan to hide you're a city fan... pathetic
They should be severely punished .It is not fair to everyone else!!!
City owners are snakes..they're deflecting and those thick enough believe they have a case 😂
thats exactly why they wont get punished!
▪︎Liverpool caught Hacking
▪︎Utd,Everton admit FFP Cheating
▪︎City found Not Guilty in Court
▪︎Expel - City or others?😂
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@@PredHunter83 BEEL END
You know City must have really crossed the line if Simon is against the owners
The line they crossed was not inviting Simon out for lunch in Qatar 😂
He’s always been against foreign owners.
Satire at it's finest.
Incredible that he thinks Chelsea spending billions and signing players on 8 year deals is good practise.
Where have you been for the last decade or so his anti City agenda is legendary. This is a guy who thinks owners syphoning money out of a club for close to two decades operating with £1bn debts is fine and dandy. While down the road in nearby Manchester owners who take no dividends operating debt free and ploughing the profits back into the club is a disgrace.
Simon Jordan is a right tit ..... he couldn't even keep his nose out of everyone else's business when he was running Palace!
They don't ever accept a no because nobody ever says no to these people
Especially when the people they converse with are clueless.
They are a disgrace. Killing our national sport.
That already happened - when MU outbid other teams for players using a 650 million pound loan from the bank - which they still have yet to pay back. 🤔
Man utd is paid for by the fans man city is paid for by United fans also, have a think about that
@SteTrax you do realise not a single player was signed using that money the glazers borrowed right ??
That's the Americans they want the esl but need the best clubs if city join the rest will follow afterall everybody wants to play the best fans don't want it now but what if as is happening they make it untenable for city to play in the pl there's only so far you can push someone look between the lines
Without the Russian and the Middle Eastern money your piss an’ beer league wouldn’t be what it’s today
Im lost as to how people think the current rules are “fair” Villa qualify for Champions League and are forced to sell players just to comply with FFP/PSR despite the club having 0 debt and being more than financially stable
How does that equal a fair league in the interest of the club?
For anyone commenting “play the long game” that avenue is now closed, if you really think Villa could just keep going as they are and ever catch ManUtd, Liverpool etc you dont have a clue
For the record I dont think it should be a “spend what you like” I think it should be a hard cap for EVERY team thats the same across the board, if needed owners can put money into a bond/escrow to cover the sustainability, id like someone to explain why this wouldnt work…
I think the rule should be something like the lower you are in the league, the higher your cap for the next year e.g whoever was 17th the previous year has a higher spending cap than 16th, all the way up to 1st, which would have the lowest spending cap.
And similar to what you said regarding escrow, if a club wants to spend 100 million on a player, you can say to the owners, “fine, you can spend that…but you have to put 100million into escrow on top of that that’s held for a number of years and returned after a certain period of time/needed for emergencies.
I know that’s bare bones, but that enables “smaller” clubs to compete for better players. I know people will say “but then clubs will intentionally lose games to get a better spending cap”, but I think the promise of European football on one end and relegation on the other mitigates that. Also ensures that rich owners can spend up to the cap on their team, provided they can front their spending in escrow as well as insurance for the financial safety of the clubs.
Also means that richer owners may buy championship/league one level clubs, try to get them into the Premier League, then you can have a rules where promoted teams have the largest spending cap, meaning that they can buy great players, and hopefully that wealth and class will seep into the lower leagues. But simplistic, but just a thought.
All nice arguments. But let’s not forget why City are suing the PL. To cover their transgressions before the trial in November and pretend to be Robin Hood for the poor.
@@jammyjamjars6995 i agree with all the above, something has to change, there is no way it can continue like this in any case
Ironically we have FFP/PSR but none of the rules are actually to do with Fairness, actual Profit or Sustainability. Even Wolves used as an example a few years ago they were pushing on, qualified your europe then were for ed to sell players for PSR (Neves, Nunes etc) now theyre basically battling relegation again, thats what the current model does and keeps the same teams consistently at the top
We need people like Simon ruling the FA and not some spineless yesmen
He couldn’t rule his own football club you soppy lad 😂😂
He’s not corrupt enough to rule the FA lol but yes in an ideal world I agree Moh
So now people like you are gIazing Simon Jordan but cry whenever he criticises (I'm gonna guess) Arsenal? Biggest pack of cry babies going
@@DavidStepho92 did what Simon say offend you? Ironic you’re talking about cry babies whilst crying and typing at the same time 🤣
@@nathanj109 No one offended me, seems I offended you though so sorry about that 😂😂 I just find it funny how any time he makes an observation arsenal fans don't agree with they flood the comments crying. Now they're his biggest fan.
I don't support Man City so idc
Don't relegate them, suspend them until both cases are heard that way it will force Man City to get their act together and force them to have the cases heard rather than them keep on dragging it out. Then if found guilty or not guilty you can apply the punishment or let them back in the league.
City is doing that in order to drag the prem into a long costly trial, its a cheap tactic mostly deployed by the guilty
and if city get found innocent the PL would not fork out the unbelievable damages that city should and would rightly be asking for…
They wont be innocent 😂@@StrictlyCity1894
@@StrictlyCity1894 It's not just that. In a normal business you would get suspended but on full pay until the matter is sorted. But City can never get the points they would lose back if they are acquitted of the 115.
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I remember the original charges years ago when City opted for a 10m fine for not handing over paperwork instead of handing it over essentially for free without being fined. What business that operates on profit & loss, that then has to account for that 10m in expenses in a case regarding false revenue chooses to pay 10 whole million pounds haha. That & now this, if they aren’t the biggest indictment of guilt I don’t know what is.
get them out of our football leauge.
😂 what brand of red shirt are you?
And Chelsea. And Arsenal. And Man U. And Liverpool.
Spurs are the only British club
The same guy 6 weeks ago said on talksport that ffp was to protect the top 4
It is😂
It is
It is an asymmetrical move to weaken the Premier Leagues ability to fight the 115 charges through tying up lawyers and exhausting funds from the PL.
Exactly its a warning so the premier league relaxes on the grip
Unlimited funds on both sides, I wouldn't worry about the PL running out of cash 😂😂😂
The case is 2 weeks long, starting next week. The 115 case is in November
Absolutely, they’ll use their wealth to out pay Lawyers like they out pay players! This is the only way these grease balls know how to operate…
Agree 200% with Simon. Well said Mr Jordan 👌
Simon calling it for what it is, go on son 🥊
@@Vote4pedro69 Simon Jordans iq is next to a cabbage
Surely the fact they are trying to get this rule changed is an indicator of them previously inflating prices for their own benefit, which you would imagine is not going to help them in the November 115 case later in the year. They are trying to create their own market
The owners of Man City think they can conduct business in the PL like they do elsewhere.
You mean like in a basement of the Saudi embassy in turkey? 😮
given their world wide investments including saving Barclays bank from bankruptcy why not ?- footballs a business - The RED CARTEL instigated the EPL because they WERE rich and powerful and now they are the poor men in the ring and they do not like it.
@@Lfcsweden-n5m That's going a bit too far mate.
Murder of a dissident and Related Party/ suspicious Transactions shouldn't be in the same conversation.
@@KisMiska10yea, but is it really that far reached? You really believe they don’t have gone in common then not between Saudi and UAE?
Only reason this is happening is because Real Madrid were able to build a new stadium and sign Endrick + Mbappe while still being within their FFP limits. City likely think they should have been a front runner but were restricted due to the rules. Typical classless club throwing their toys out of the pram
Remember when the same Real Madrid sold their training ground to the Spanish government for 300 million euro and then the government gifted it back to Real Madrid for free. But yeah, that is all good and fair.
@@Marais-cu3vo 15 cups. Winners.
@@Marais-cu3vo The government didn't gift it back to Real Madrid for free. That's a lie. The club have returned some of the money from the sale, as it was regarded to be unfairly priced. The EU has found no other wrong-doing in the case.
Uh, man shitty would be doing this regardless of what is happening elsewhere. Nation state money are dictators by nature
The king of Spain practically owns real Madrid, but man city should be punished, they were nothing without these cheat owners...send them too league 2
Danny Murphy just sitting there thinking about when he can get home to watch Peppa Pig that he’s recorded.
Why does he always wear grey ?
@@Adrianmillsdesigncause he’s a boring twat
He’s probably sat there embarassed about Simon rambling on with his bent agenda.
😄nice one
the argument around these payments was only brought in when Saudi bought Newcastle, so i'm not sure why city claim this is against them - unless they're conceding that their sponsorship deals are at risk of failing the fair market tests. These rules should've been brought in back when city was first bought, or not at all - not when Newcastle were bought 15 years later. Likewise, multi-club ownership & transfers were never an issue, until Newcastle had a massive injury crisis & the media began suggesting they'd use cheap transfers from the saudi league - if any club had a case for being singled out, it isn't city
Absolutely, as a Leeds fan, I was very disappointed with our recent play-off final performance, and it would have been nice to be back in the Premiership. But in all honesty, we would have really struggled unless we had invested very heavily. We are still paying the price for the last season in the Premiership, when some of our so-called player investments weren't up to it. It's not great fun watching your team get beat week after week either.
commercials deals always had to be market value when FFP was introduced but it was impossible to enforce without deeper intervention and oversight. everyone knew City's deals weren't market value and when the Saudi's bought NUFC they saw what was about to happen (based on what happened at City) they then said we need extras oversight of deals and sign off from the league before the club finalises the deal, but this was just to enforce the market value rules that had always been in place. it's City fault these extra steps were introduced, not Newcastle's.
@@andywilliams8540it’s funny how people like you conveniently turn a blind eye to when and why ffp was “made up” in the first place 😂
I’m sure you were more than happy for Utd, arsenal and Liverpool to spend whatever they wanted on whoever they wanted and handpick all the best youngsters from all over the country without any repercussions, before ffp was introduced.
How hypocritical. Simon supports all the Chelsea shenanigans and the Big 4 having established their financial basis now want to restrict any completion from clubs like Aston Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Newcastle etc.
"Morally wrong" yet you support every Chelsea move who bend the rules at every opportunity?#!
Expulsion is the answer. Put down a marker and nip this in the bud. Promote leeds, keep the league at 20 teams. Put it to a vote. I bet city would lose that vote comfortably
Make some more rules up. Hasn't worked so far, make another 10
@@Graverobbert matron!!!!!!!!
Thanks for explaining the Tyranny of the Majority. I'm just glad capital punishment isn't still on the cards in Britain.
@@PorkChopExpress86genuinely embarrassing
If City win this suit, it would make the Premier League unviable. What do you do as a club when certain teams can bully their way to doing what they want, while you have to follow the rules.
I would then be in favor of a seperate league and I would turf the Premier League. No point trying to operate in a fixed league.
The PL had it coming with terrible enforcement of their own rules and so many loopholes than every day a team funds a new one .
Yes absolutely this is why most of their rules are not sustainable in a normal business world telling businessmen and companies how to spend their money effectively I guarantee you if they just let people spend their money how they want to spend it the league would be a lot more competitiveyou don’t see rules like this in any other leagues? Do you correct me if I’m wrong?
@@mjgwindowcleaning3699don’t all leagues in Europe have to abide by ffp rules so I think all clubs have to adhere to these rules
@@podgecoleman5519 I’m not sure La Liga does. I don’t think they have his strict rules as the Premier League. I mean look at Real Madrid. I might be wrong though.
Chelsea seem to be buying and selling with no come backs on them.. why
@@mjgwindowcleaning3699 ffp is a Uefa ruling applying to every team in Europe
Premier League’s reputation as ‘best league in the world’, is in tatters, regardless of what happens to Man City. Once even a question mark is put against achievements, whether it’s just or not, less people will take it seriously. The global audience the league has built up over the last 30 years, will walk away in the next few years. It’s going to happen. The FA and Premier League took the money, kicked the can down the road, , and left governance for when it was too late. The good news, is the tourist fans won’t come anymore. We’ll get our clubs back, in terms of affordability. But we will be watching a lower quality product.
You know when things are wrong when Danny Murphy doesn’t say a word against it
Citeh were always going to take this course of action as it was their only option in terms of the pretence of innocence. They will seek to drag this out for many more years to come. Money is no object for their owners. Ultimately, they are going to either ruin Citeh or ruin PL football.
Simon is soooo spot on, u don't come into a league then complain about its laws to the point were u sue the league.. That's just rubbish from City's owners
The counter to that is you don't suddenly start changing the rules because you don't want to be usurped and lose your status
@@trevorlewatle1886 we were in the league before these American manufacture rules they brought them in to keep their unwarranted status
Anything less than being stripped of their titles and relegated to at least league 1 is a travesty.
What Simon was saying is he is unsure if legally that could be implemented.
My Girlfriend is a City fan
but honestly I myself am angry at the situation
Manchester City have created.
I am a Chelsea fan &
she keeps saying about the rules we broke but what she cant grasp is because of the way
The Premier League rules are written out you cant go back far enough
you can only go back 10 years in terms of punishment &
our rules infringements go back to when
Abramovich first bought the club in 2003 you cant go back that far.
Football is like
the Wild West lawless now a day's.
@@alanfox691 so you agree the PL brought in these rules to stop City?... These rules never existed when the status quo clubs were buying their success but now those same clubs are pushing fair play rules against City because they fear them and using the PL to stop City and other ambitious clubs!... Its the old "do what I say not what I did" scenario!!! 😬
Your so stupid it must be painful
@@alanfox691 not according to the pl anyway I don't see how they can retrospectively punish teams for breaking rules that didn't exist
Has anyone seen absolute proof city are guilty?
Problem with democracy in the PL or anywhere is that it is based on the understanding that everyone involved follows the same social and moral contract. As we have seen with sectarian voting recently in the UK where by Muslims vote for Muslim candidates regardless of policy or meritocracy it will be the same in the PL if more foreign owners buy PL teams.
115 charges nothing happened during the season, but Everton and NF admit to their faults get screwed over. The PL are scared of City.
If the City owners have a case, so does one: Mr.Abromovich
And if the league have a case then cfc are also breaking rules
This shows how guilty they are... They are trying to create a loophole in the recent past, so they can use against allegations from years ago basically so they can say, "it wasn't fair now so it wasn't fair then"
Well said Simon, very well said.
Is Simon the guy that took Palace to bankruptcy? Just asking
@@richardj2216 he did or he did not that’s irrelevant to the main subject that Man City owners are @#&€ing Hypocrites
As an Arsenal fan this is why it was so disappointing to see so many neutral fans celebrating City's premier league triumph. I have nothing against the players and the manager, over the course of the campaign they were ever so slightly better when it mattered, but fans who celebrated their triumph have no right to be angry with City in general. Everyone knew they were cheating, everyone knows they they should be relegated and teams like Everton and Forest shoyld be absolutely fuming that they will probable get away with it. They should be put in the trh division and made to work their way back up.
Should say 3rd division
I think you have it the wrong way round mate.
The majority of football fans in England were gutted when City thieved another title.
Most of us wanted Arsenal to win, and did not celebrate City's win in any way.
They were happy to swiftly go after and punish Forest and Everton last season, yet Man City can still go on with 115 breaches and now trying to sue the PL! Simon is bang on, chuck them out and let them join the Saudi league.
@@joey3088 utd get a donation to help with their overspend
City have totally misread the room on this one. The Talksport financial expert maintains that this has nothing to do with the 115 charges. I venture to suggest that he has got that completely wrong. With words like “discrimination” and “the tyranny of the majority” I think they have shown their hand. If they loose this case they can say “I told you so” and in doing so they think it is putting pressure on the outcome of the 115 case. I didn’t care about all that before now, but I sincerely hope they are given very substantial punishment!
Oh, so you're judge and jury now are you? Perhaps let the investigation conclude before suggesting substantial punishment eh. That's how we operate in this county.
@@SteTrax firstly, your comment “that’s how we operate in this country” is bordering on racism. Never assume anything about me and where I am from, you know NOTHING!!! Secondly, I never said anything that I claimed was a fact, merely my opinion. In case you are not aware, I am entitled to my opinion & that is how things operate in the United Kingdom. I reiterate my opinion that City have totally misread the room and if you want to throw the “that’s how we operate in this country” at me, then how about the statement made by City criticising “the tyranny of the majority”? That is more commonly known as democracy, which is the way we operate in the United Kingdom!!!
@@SteTrax If you know anything about this country, you`d know that anyone that goes against the “the tyranny of the majority”, is essentially trying to get rid of Democracy and install or establish an Autocracy or Dictatorship of the "strongest" or "richest" and its not a coincidence that the Autocracy or Dictatorship of the "strongest" or "richest" its pretty common in Middle-eastern countries where the City owners come from... not in UK though. Therefore, if you ought to remind someone of how "we operate in this country", you should tell that to City owners.
Simon Jordan absolutely spot on again..... They have a bloody cheek city to be doing what they are.
Relegate them for not having enough fans. That’s not even an allegation.
If they lose this next case and they're found guilty on the 115 charges, they will go down as the biggest cheats in footballing history and probably one of the biggest cheats in sporting history. I feel sorry for the city fan base and if I was a fan, I'd want them owners gone, no matter what they've brought to the club because if they're found guilty, it could truly mean the end of that club and stuck in league 1 for many years. Is it truly worth it for trophies that will have an astrix over them and your club seeing as nothing but cheats?
Barcelona cheated from 2001-2018 by paying off the refs. City have done worse in some ways yes
Why do you feel sorry for City fans? They're completely comfortable with it and worship their owners like they're gods. They deserve zero sympathy.
Benn in league 2 before, not bothered if we go back. Still got the best owner in the world.
Hes that good england changed their rules.
@ppate8 sure bro. Show me the mental gymnastics you used to come to that conclusion
@@Kisyfurr ok plastic fan from abroad
They should never be allowed to play in England again after the none compliance
Well Spoken Simon. Now matter what talking to football fans now, there has become a hate towards the owners of Man City...
Do you know the owners? Like...personally? Thought not. 🙄
@@SteTraxSo you have to know someone personally to have an opinion about them? Do you know the person who's comment you're replying to...like personally? Thought not.
Jordan's bang on with this. Get rid of Man City.
So...when there was a rumour of a potential Liverpool sueing for the Tottenham game everyone was saying they were crazy. City actually did sue the PL and with sinister manipulating intent...This is insane.
A rumour? Exactly what it was, liverpool were never sueing Tottenham maybe the pgmol, who took 6 points off liverpool legally last season.
What does a rumour have to do with a club trying to control the rules of the league
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@@PredHunter83 lance armstrong
And plastic
I used to like City and when they got the chance to be successful I was glad. But now they are nothing but bullies. I hope they lose this battle and shut up. Must be hard for City fans who are honest enough to know this is not right.
Well said Simon.
Anything less than relegation out of the football league and removal of all trophies isn’t enough.
Otherwise it was worth it so teams are guaranteed to do it again.
The other Premier League clubs and fans have to make a stand against City. Perhaps away fans should boycott going to The Etiihad Stadium and make it as difficult as possible for City fans to go to away games.
Boo-hoo, let's take our ball home shall we? Bet you were a barrel of laughs in the playgound at school.
Did you forget to spell your full name, suppose suing the Premier League and it’s members is not throwing your toys out of the pram.
It's very simple, throw them out of the EPL. Don't relegate them. Throw them out of the EPL and prevent them from competing in ANY football for 12 months.
Oh and take their unfairly earned titles away from them as well.
I can imagine if not sorted , that the same people under different corporate names could buy up different teams in league to actually control the majority
They know they had to much evidence against them and dropped a snickers in the knickers. Dump the prats in league two.
Simon’s reactionary bullshit about city over the last few years has fuelled so much hate towards the fans of the club. He’s a man who has sued every time he had the chance.
It's extremely concerning that possibly the most corruptly run club in modern football,may be untouchable and above the law.Loathsome behaviour.If they get away with this then modern football is fixed.
@@redgoals5701 you do mean the rags don't you 2 billion in debt and still spending money on transfers now that's corrupt
Mr Jordan. Premier Football is looking over a precipice. 1. If England don't win the Euros our faith in our Premier players will plummet. 2. If Man City win their case it will bring chaos to our Premier League. 3. Wanting to play Premier games in USA and elsewhere. The fans do NOT want that. Add all these three points together and the future looks very bleak. Worrying time.
Totally agree with Simon!!
City aren't ruining football the PL did that themselves by allowing a nation state to run a club in the first place. All that's happening now is the inevitable consequence of decades of the PL's own greed they've created a well oiled machine that's too powerful for them to control. There's every chance City will win this particular case fair and square because we're operating in legal realms where what is "fair" in the purely sporting sense is completely irrelevant.
I GUARANTEE anyone commenting "they think its unlawful they have a right" is either a City, Newcastle or a Chelsea fan. Every other fan in the country can see it for what it is, cheating.
Not sure Newcastle United have done anything wrong, enlighten us.
@@agentancelotti2985 surely they can back who they want it’s democracy, the same democracy that voted in these rules.
@@agentancelotti2985
Is points deduction threat the new way of silencing teams?
Talk sport love to stir the pot but city have every right to fight the Premier league and i hope they win
The people who wanted City to win the title over Liverpool or Arsenal, i thought City are saving football?
Yeah,exactly that!! Everyone was quite happy weren’t they???
But now they are not?….cant have it both ways..
relegate them to the bottom tier let them make their way back up, i dont agree that they should just be expelled but they should go down to Division 2
Intelligent argument = Danny shuts up.
He asked some sensible questions didn't he?
Where are the voices of those Man City fans, old school fans, who must be embarrassed and ashamed to high hell of this behaviour and attitude of the people who own their beloved club. Even if it's just a handful, who know this is melting footy in England. If it were my club I'd care a lot less about success than the method of achieving it. Things must be really bad if I find myself agreeing with Simon Jordan
Simon talking sense there. I long ago lost faith in the legitimacy of the Premier League due to Man City. I now view it as being somewhat akin to the Tour de France before Lance Armstrong was stripped of all his wins. The legitimacy of English league football is now tainted and nothing short of stripping Man City of their titles and banishing them to the lower leagues will save it.
Firm action needs to be taken. It should hopefully also send out the message to the likes of Newcastle's owners.
Down to the Northern Premier League for me.
Trust me you'll never see a debate like it....Danny Murphy laughing
We all just wish it wad our club to be honest...we wish we had their money, manager, facilities,players.. but we've not so we hate them, but we're really envious..🤔
So very true.
This the same Simon that was all defending Man City of their 115 charges not even 2 months ago... FFS pick a side.
Last week he was pal, he obviously read the back lash and changed his tune
Give them the 9 points deduction for each 115 violations see how cocky they are then, they clearly had a sporting advantage from their over spending
No that wouldn’t work because that would just result in finishing in minus points and just relegate them to the championship whereas they should be relegated to the very bottom
if found guilty of any more than 10 of the 115 man city need to be thrown out of the league and barred from ever being in the prem again not just relegated
Dump them into league 2
Why hasn't the Prem suspended this club pending the results of the "trial"? 115 charges is surely unheard of.
whenever you hear a rich person complaining about the rules and regulations, just know that they're in the wrong
Agree. Its been proven historically in 100% of the cases
City could win 10 titles in a row and no one would care apart from their fans. They'll forever be tarnished!
Two of Englands most successful clubs have the stench of matchfixing in their tarnished history……..City are filthy rich attract the best players you lot have bought shite ……..
What Simon would like would be a total ban on foreign money in PL clubs. That way he could still own a PL club and be beaten senseless by any other country's team. He will have to deal with the fact that even his place as a commentator wouldn't be there without foreign money, as the PL wouldn't be the best league in the world, as it is today. Sorry Simon, money talks and bull*!"t walks.
No he wants city to stop cheating. But good try to deflect
Simon well said don't always agree with you to be truthful very rarely but this time definitely
They should kicked out of the Premier league and sent down to the 7th tier of English football. Their trophies revoked over the past 10 or whatever years. The club is a stain of football
Tyranny of a unanimous 12 man jury ?
City need be punished, if Everton, forest etc get points deducted for minor infractions then at a minimum City should be relegated to the championship. It’s a closed shop at the top of the league. Everyone making a thing of Newcastle being bought by a Saudi investment group, like it’s the only bit of foreign/arab money in the premiership. It’s a joke
This same system didn’t make any difference to their titles and they didn’t complain THEN. SO now it suits them to moan about it to avoid 115 charges
Discrimination 😂😂😂 abu dhabi 😂😂😂 human rights anybody ?
Its legal or not....nothing to do with football
So would i cheats should be made an example of . Strip titles and relegate to the bottom tier of leave the fa competitions . Stop sister clubs as well .
Don’t always agree with Simon but he is bang on here, these Arabs knew the PL rules long before they bought City. What’s next, looping limbs off players instead of red cards.
Most of these rules have only been brought in SINCE the City takeover .... which should tell you all you need to know about WHY they were introduced!
@@barryh.4220rules followed by the majority
Personal opinion:
If man city fail in their legal action, they should be reprimanded by the PL and dropped to the lower leagues of football
Good on them. Why can Arsenal spend £250 million in one season but the likes of Nottingham F, Everton, Newcastle and Aston Villa can't even though their owners have the cash? You either put a spending cap or allow everyone to spend as much as they can afford.
They can only spend what they earn that's why Arsenal could spend that money and Forrest and Co couldn't
@@MrKbassett17that is bullshit!! That’s more of like gate keeping and stuff, why wouldn’t I spend the same amount if I have it ?🤷🏾♂️ what’s wrong about that? I think they really trying to keep the same top 4 as the rumours say. The only thing that can be regulated is the money spent in each window. Not this nosensense!
@@Hlomla23 I understand what your saying but that's the rules
Because Arsenal generated the income!!!! For years Arsenal were paying for their stadium and were selling their best players to Chelsea & Man City. So why pick on them? Man City spent £1.5 BILLION Net & a lot of that was only because they cheated the rules..!!!!!
States owning football clubs puts them at a severe advantage.This is how states act .Football will be destroyed by these greasy oil merchants
So basically the rules started right when City was bought! Very interesting timing 🤔because before that Chelsea was buying and spending with no limit and nobody cared to do anything!
Absolutely!