Great video Imran, very informative as understanding the inner workings of diffs isn't simple. Look forward to the video covering this E39 is it looks like a belter.
Just completed wavetrac install in my supercharged 2000 M5 and I am totally impressed. Before in my car when I would launch off the line it would always kick the back end to the right side but now with the wavetrac it just goes straight. Another huge plus is the wavetrac diff is exactly 5.2 lbs lighter than the stock M5 diff . Taking 5 lbs of rotating mass out of the driveline is beneficial in so many ways.
Hey Imran, Ever thought of doing a reimagined project for older BMW's like what singers doing? e39 m5, e36 m3 would be a great platform to start with in my opinion...
My Australian E39 M5 is tuned by Evolve. The improvement to power steering is great. However as this video suggests, even with stock power the car would be enhanced with a better LSD than the factory option.
Amazing e39 m5, I am a big fan of the e39 haveing a 540 6 speed myself.. That was a very well made video to watch and just about to sit down and watch some more of them
It wasnt a stock diff in it as they pointed out it was an aftermarket diff but not a wave track. BMW LSD riffs are clutch type riffs that work much different than the one they pulled out which was not a clutch type and was close to the wave trac design already but without the wave trac part they showed that creates a better pre load than the other after market. Although he kept referring to it as OEM. I'd love to have one in my E46 M3 but cash is not there for it yet.
The wavetrac diff works out cheaper than the quaiffe ATB diff, they do need the output flanges to match which adds on another couple of hundered quid or so, depending on where you get it from. I'm in the same situation, got stock diff with 140k on it. No issues with it yet but I always hope it goes bad so I have the excuse to smash my piggy bank and go for the wavetrac! Total price is around £1500 for a full wavetrac setup depending where you buy from as opposed to around £1700 for the quaiffe. Not sure if a bearing rebuild kit is required for the wavetrac but I know it is definitely needed for the quaiffe which adds another £300 or so. I reckon a budget of around £2.5k max would be enough for a fully fitted swap (inc bearings if needed).
Great video Imran. Lovely example and thanks for sharing this with us For those who don’t yet know there will be an E39 M5 gathering at Caffeine & Machine, Warwickshire (UK) on 6th October 2019 from 9am. If you own an E39 M5 would be fantastic to see you there 👍🏽
I absolutely can’t wait to see the M5 vids - V8 muscle at its finest Diff upgrade for the OCD who are obsessed with there pride and joy even if it will never see a track I totally understand this upgrade
It’s like a retired boxing heavy weight who is still in mint condition but has nothing to prove to the new kids on the block doesn’t need to step in the ring no more it’s earned it’s place and respect 👏🏻
This is a torsen type diff, are these not less performance oriented then plate type diffs? The diff that was taken out of the car was not stock and was also a forsen type, so i would be interestinf to see what it would be like compared to the stock plate type diff.
As explained in the video, the car came fitted with an ADB torsen diff carrier and not the standard BMW clutch LSD.. Torsen diff behaved differently from clutch type LSD. It can go between 0-100% lock. And zero maintenance. The ADB diff has no pre load so when 1 side of the wheel is completely off the road, it becomes an open diff.. the wavetrac designed with a ramp to counter this... watch the explanation on the video again.
Would be nice to see that driven to its potential i didn't hear the revs go past 4 or 5k is it for sale? I have the 2002 model but i would like to see the difference with the Supercharger
Great video,love that E39 but just wondering are they the first model of Goodyear Eagle F1's tyres its running,surely they must be well outta date by now
@@EvolveAutomotive So slightly different question but is the car as playful at the rear when you want it to be as before compared with the old diff? Part of the character of the M5 is the playful rear as well as the amazing engine (your car is FAST!).
I have an e39 M5. In California. What would be my investment to get my M5 to be like the Imola Red one? Labor? Parts? Time? Are the parts available in the USA?
Nice video like always. Just a silly question,that 200mph mark that you want to break with the m5 F90. What could this M5 e39 reach if you guess? 160mph? Would love to see this brilliant m5 perform.
Ahh good to know. Quite honestly, your videos exposed me to wavetrac and I’m finding myself highly considering it on my next build. Thanks for the response!
We have another Wavetrac video on our F56 Cooper S if you haven’t seen it which also explains how the Diff works. Having seen the internals of the diff, I wouldn’t consider any other type of ATB diff. This is like buying the latest iPhone compared to the original iPhone. There’s no downsides it’s just a newer technology for better performance.
Evolve Automotive yeaa, learning how the wavetrac doesn’t suffer from losing traction during zero axle-load conditions is impressive despite being the helical type. I had an e92 m3 and really considered changing the diff but I didn’t much at the time. Would you recommend going up to the 4.10 ratio with the wavetrac in the e92 or would you leave the ratio unchanged?
Ratio is down to personal preference. Haven’t personally experienced one with a different ratio in but the theory says you want to make your gears as short as possible. No sense being geared to 200mph if you’re only ever going to do 150 for example. Obviously there is a loss of fuel efficiency as you’ll be doing higher RPM at cruising speed. But you’ll gain acceleration which can make a car feel like it has gained raw horsepower.
A. I wished I lived next door to you and shop. B. I wish I owned a 2020 bmw M5 competition pack... ahhh you can always dream Oh and not living in Australia would help also!
@Steven Ross-watt Yes of course, the stock e39m5 diff unit is a ZF clutch plated lsd with 25% lock and 110-130Nm preload. I hardly doubt there would be any noticeable difference in driving experience between a quaife unit and a wavetrac unit, considering the fact they are both ATB type and should work the same way in situations when both rear wheels have any traction ...
Evolve Automotive good choice, I run them on all my cars 👍🏼 you can change every part in the world but when push comes to shove there is only 1 thing in contact with the road
@@ShalomBrother Contact patches will certainly vary you mileage in various weather as long as it stays safe for what your purpose it, I'd vote for that.
Congratulations on the LSD downgrade. With a simple fix the standard plated diff is so much better then any torsen lsd. But hey, if you want to spend 1400 on a torsen that you can get for 600 as well …. get a wavetrac. Then big surprise, he already had the quaife torsen, so now you payed 1400 for staying in exact the same situation. No one is ever going to notice the difference between a quaife and a wavetrac. The technical difference is that the wavetrac ramps the preload up with wheel slip, big deal, just get a bit more preload in the first place, like the quaife. Don't believe this marketing nonsense. The test drive is actually hillarious. A lot more stability and progressiveness without having the tiniest bit of losing grip. You didn't feel any difference dude, be honest.
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E39 is my personal favourite of all the M5's, absolute beast
I think its ours too :-)
Definitely the best raw V8 sound 👍
I loved the explanation of the different diffs, how it improves the feel of the car, and the installation demo. Fantastic video!
I wonder why I find videos here immensely enjoyable, I may be coming down with the BMW fever..
There is a cure for that. :-)
Different to the usual sh1t. Omg thumbnails. Clickbait bo11ox. I've unsubbed from sol schnee Archie. Hopefully you all do the same
These videos are shit.. you bum boys
Adore the E39 M5, just a hustlers car end of its a beast.
Love going back to watch some of your guys older videos. Keep it up guys, shout out from Texas!
Man...what a good looking car. Absolutely timeless very clean example! Hope the owner keeps it and cares for it well
This car is absolutely everything I love about BMW 💥 + BBS LM’s 🔥 keep up the good work !
Thank you!
Soooo Nice... a super nice m5 e39 , Thanks cant wait for the next video.....,.,.keep up the good work
Great video Imran, very informative as understanding the inner workings of diffs isn't simple. Look forward to the video covering this E39 is it looks like a belter.
Thanks Asim! It is a very special car in terms of what it is and how it came about.
@@EvolveAutomotive I run a B10 V8S, so I'm a bit partial to any E39 content you do :)
13:58 Classic BMW design. Never bettered.
Just completed wavetrac install in my supercharged 2000 M5 and I am totally impressed. Before in my car when I would launch off the line it would always kick the back end to the right side but now with the wavetrac it just goes straight. Another huge plus is the wavetrac diff is exactly 5.2 lbs lighter than the stock M5 diff . Taking 5 lbs of rotating mass out of the driveline is beneficial in so many ways.
Next time we do one we will weigh it, that’s an interesting difference we didn’t even consider!
Great to hear your experience mimics ours.
Hey Imran, Ever thought of doing a reimagined project for older BMW's like what singers doing? e39 m5, e36 m3 would be a great platform to start with in my opinion...
Yes definitely something I dream about doing. Have some ideas already. Lets see what the next year brings 😁😁😉
@@EvolveAutomotive Awesome If I win lotto you have gotta customer :)
My Australian E39 M5 is tuned by Evolve. The improvement to power steering is great. However as this video suggests, even with stock power the car would be enhanced with a better LSD than the factory option.
Another great vid! Really looking forward to the video on the story of the E39! 👍🏻
We will try and film in in the next few weeks.
Absolutely loved that video. So informative and I found myself glued to the screen. Thank you 👍
Amazing e39 m5, I am a big fan of the e39 haveing a 540 6 speed myself.. That was a very well made video to watch and just about to sit down and watch some more of them
It wasnt a stock diff in it as they pointed out it was an aftermarket diff but not a wave track. BMW LSD riffs are clutch type riffs that work much different than the one they pulled out which was not a clutch type and was close to the wave trac design already but without the wave trac part they showed that creates a better pre load than the other after market. Although he kept referring to it as OEM. I'd love to have one in my E46 M3 but cash is not there for it yet.
The wavetrac diff works out cheaper than the quaiffe ATB diff, they do need the output flanges to match which adds on another couple of hundered quid or so, depending on where you get it from. I'm in the same situation, got stock diff with 140k on it. No issues with it yet but I always hope it goes bad so I have the excuse to smash my piggy bank and go for the wavetrac! Total price is around £1500 for a full wavetrac setup depending where you buy from as opposed to around £1700 for the quaiffe. Not sure if a bearing rebuild kit is required for the wavetrac but I know it is definitely needed for the quaiffe which adds another £300 or so. I reckon a budget of around £2.5k max would be enough for a fully fitted swap (inc bearings if needed).
E-39 is my favorite M-5 BMW has ever made. This one is a beautiful machine Imran.👌🏽
Thanks Chris! Glad you like it
Great video Imran. Lovely example and thanks for sharing this with us
For those who don’t yet know there will be an E39 M5 gathering at Caffeine & Machine, Warwickshire (UK) on 6th October 2019 from 9am. If you own an E39 M5 would be fantastic to see you there
👍🏽
Mad ting! Still waiting for that E39 M5 LLF collab 👍🏻
Soon
I look forward to the video detailing all that's been done to it.
Gorgeous e39. I’ll be waiting for the full run through of it mate. 👍
... +1 on the E39 M5 video !!
Your E39 is stunning inside and outside. Top vid and detailed info from you guys, keep up the great work.
Thank you. It is a credit to it's former owner
I absolutely can’t wait to see the M5 vids - V8 muscle at its finest
Diff upgrade for the OCD who are obsessed with there pride and joy even if it will never see a track I totally understand this upgrade
Cheers Andy. This will never got to the track. :-)
It’s like a retired boxing heavy weight who is still in mint condition but has nothing to prove to the new kids on the block doesn’t need to step in the ring no more it’s earned it’s place and respect 👏🏻
@@andywhite1636 exactly 🤟
Evolve Automotive the presentation of your product, engineering, and quality is astounding. 👌👍Awesome 😎
@@bm717252 Thank you . Glad you enjoyed it.
What a beautiful beast you have there. Videos like this make me regret that I sold my E39 M5...
Thanks. We are grateful to own it ❤️
Gorgeous addition Imran!
Can't wait for the dedicated video for this great classic 👍
Cheers :-)
This is a torsen type diff, are these not less performance oriented then plate type diffs? The diff that was taken out of the car was not stock and was also a forsen type, so i would be interestinf to see what it would be like compared to the stock plate type diff.
Very important info is missing, what is the load percentage approx with Wavetrac? Stock is around 40% lock, High milage used around 30%, Wavetrac?
As explained in the video, the car came fitted with an ADB torsen diff carrier and not the standard BMW clutch LSD.. Torsen diff behaved differently from clutch type LSD. It can go between 0-100% lock. And zero maintenance. The ADB diff has no pre load so when 1 side of the wheel is completely off the road, it becomes an open diff.. the wavetrac designed with a ramp to counter this... watch the explanation on the video again.
Stock is 25%.
This is the kind of test I was hoping somebody would do.
Love WIN WIN WIN #msftadvocate Thanks foe Evolving with the top of the world. I'll push you back ;)
When he accelerates, it sounds like a top ten most beautiful songs.
All the beautiful sounds are here ruclips.net/video/GFDswfyLe9E/видео.html
Great thanks for sharing. Every when would you change diff oil with the Wavetrac?
Would be nice to see that driven to its potential i didn't hear the revs go past 4 or 5k is it for sale? I have the 2002 model but i would like to see the difference with the Supercharger
Why is the rebuilt back lash figure less than half the original? the original seemed almost perfect at 0.1 mm .
When will we be seeing more on the m5
Such a nice car man ! And I’m surprised it had a Torsen design diff from the factory instead of a clutch type !!
So beautiful in that, my favorite E39 colour
Not even a little slide?! :) Special Indeed
I have a E39 540 with VF engineering supercharger & 3:15 LSD diff, would I benefit from a wavetrac diff with my setup?
Beautiful car
Carl Fredricksen from the movie UP is still in search of his glasses but I think we all know where they went.
Sweet Bimmer btw!
Anymore E39 content coming?
That M5 looks gorgeous! Sheesh
Cheers 🤟
Can the standard cars diff be “welded”?
A welded diff isn’t really a good idea.
So the diff they took out wasn't the original m item?
It was not. We did not know it had a non /M differential in it.
You guys seem to know everything.
What needs to be done to fit a e34 lsd 3.46 large case into a e39 540 other than flanges and cover?
This wouldn’t be something we would know
Such a beautiful and awesome car, I love it
Is that a torsen?
What’s the wheel and tyre specs please?
Great video,love that E39 but just wondering are they the first model of Goodyear Eagle F1's tyres its running,surely they must be well outta date by now
Thanks and yes they need to be changed as soon as the car comes out of hibernation over the winter period.
Get this beast on carwow
Waiting for next video about this car!
Can I ask you guys at Evolve, is there an M5 that is better than the E39 generation M5 ?
It is top two for sure. :-)
Evolve Automotive
😂😂 ya ya ..... a very diplomatic answer!
Great video and explanation
How much would it cost to do this on 540i E39?
What map lights are those in the back??? And please list all the interior/exterior/engine/suspension mods she has!!!!
Full video coming soon. As for map lights honestly don't know.
Nice video! What was the final gear ratio you set the Wavetrac at?
Left the gearing the same as OEM, just replaced the differential itself.
Isn't the M5 diff better for drifting than the Wavetrac though?
Not sure, haven’t had a chance to enter any professional drifting competitions yet.
@@EvolveAutomotive So slightly different question but is the car as playful at the rear when you want it to be as before compared with the old diff? Part of the character of the M5 is the playful rear as well as the amazing engine (your car is FAST!).
Wow!! 😍😍
Mod list video?
I have an e39 M5. In California.
What would be my investment to get my M5 to be like the Imola Red one?
Labor?
Parts?
Time?
Are the parts available in the USA?
Is it completely stock? Best to contact sales@evolveautomotive.com
Nice m5! How many psi is boost? And how mach miles its done with 630 hp?
7 psi boost. Around 10k on this set up
@@EvolveAutomotive 7 psi is not dangerous for stock engine ( with no steel sleeves)?
How wide are those tires??
I was thinking that....look like 911 Turbo rears or somat 😱
Stock is 275 in the rear
@@KotimaisiaE39 M5 factory tire size rear 275/35/18, look it up. I bought multiple :D
Nice video like always. Just a silly question,that 200mph mark that you want to break with the m5 F90. What could this M5 e39 reach if you guess? 160mph? Would love to see this brilliant m5 perform.
I drive that setup from the video on my E39 M5 (but with 590HP). Car went over 200mph.
Would love to buy it, but the price is too high for me :(
Curious to know what gearing ratio you guys chose with the diff, such a nice build
The ratio was not changed, just fitted a Wavetrac unit to help maintain traction with the huge power this car has.
Ahh good to know. Quite honestly, your videos exposed me to wavetrac and I’m finding myself highly considering it on my next build.
Thanks for the response!
We have another Wavetrac video on our F56 Cooper S if you haven’t seen it which also explains how the Diff works.
Having seen the internals of the diff, I wouldn’t consider any other type of ATB diff. This is like buying the latest iPhone compared to the original iPhone. There’s no downsides it’s just a newer technology for better performance.
Evolve Automotive yeaa, learning how the wavetrac doesn’t suffer from losing traction during zero axle-load conditions is impressive despite being the helical type. I had an e92 m3 and really considered changing the diff but I didn’t much at the time. Would you recommend going up to the 4.10 ratio with the wavetrac in the e92 or would you leave the ratio unchanged?
Ratio is down to personal preference. Haven’t personally experienced one with a different ratio in but the theory says you want to make your gears as short as possible. No sense being geared to 200mph if you’re only ever going to do 150 for example. Obviously there is a loss of fuel efficiency as you’ll be doing higher RPM at cruising speed. But you’ll gain acceleration which can make a car feel like it has gained raw horsepower.
That cute little snap on pink brushed gun 😂😂😂
Pink to make the boys wink 😉
Love this car is it up for sale,I live in New Zealand 😂
where is the e39 m5 video?
Didn't have time to film it pre lock down. We will film it as soon we can after restrictions have been lifted.
A. I wished I lived next door to you and shop.
B. I wish I owned a 2020 bmw M5 competition pack... ahhh you can always dream
Oh and not living in Australia would help also!
With the state of the world right now, Australia seems a pretty decent place to be 😬
I love the e39 m5s but I want a e90 m3 too lol
LOVE MY E39
Was it a quaife ATB you took out of the diff prior to installing the wavetrac ?
@Steven Ross-watt Yes of course, the stock e39m5 diff unit is a ZF clutch plated lsd with 25% lock and 110-130Nm preload. I hardly doubt there would be any noticeable difference in driving experience between a quaife unit and a wavetrac unit, considering the fact they are both ATB type and should work the same way in situations when both rear wheels have any traction ...
These guys seemed to know what they were doing.
Such a clean car.
how much would something like this cost
Please email sales@evolveautomotive.com for a full quote, thanks
Good job
Is wavetrac available for the f80
It is currently in development I believe.
Ok thank you
It is now available.
How do u code out the idiot light on the dash
How much
please do a project on an e46 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best M5
Hi gays!
Can you tell me this is an original BBS LM or replica?
Original BBS LM's from the factory, never been split or refinished.
@@EvolveAutomotive thanks for responce!
I want to hear the sounddss
🔥🔥🔥
My favorite bmw the e39 m5
The car is something else, but what are those on your feet man 😂
Nike x Acronym Vapourmax
M5 is my first and only car greatest sedan of all time 💜
I'm thinking of coming from Turkey
👏
I love that car,Can I buy it 😂
500nm and 630hp ????
500 lb.ft! Not nm
@@EvolveAutomotive Oh Sorry! my bad bro
Sweeeeett
👀🔥
🤠🤠🤠👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Don
Stick some Michelin’s on if you want to put your power down
PS4S are coming
Evolve Automotive good choice, I run them on all my cars 👍🏼 you can change every part in the world but when push comes to shove there is only 1 thing in contact with the road
@@ShalomBrother Contact patches will certainly vary you mileage in various weather as long as it stays safe for what your purpose it, I'd vote for that.
Alex Heiss are you drunk?
@@ShalomBrother Not one bit champ
Are those glasses just a bit too much?
Congratulations on the LSD downgrade. With a simple fix the standard plated diff is so much better then any torsen lsd. But hey, if you want to spend 1400 on a torsen that you can get for 600 as well …. get a wavetrac. Then big surprise, he already had the quaife torsen, so now you payed 1400 for staying in exact the same situation. No one is ever going to notice the difference between a quaife and a wavetrac. The technical difference is that the wavetrac ramps the preload up with wheel slip, big deal, just get a bit more preload in the first place, like the quaife. Don't believe this marketing nonsense.
The test drive is actually hillarious. A lot more stability and progressiveness without having the tiniest bit of losing grip. You didn't feel any difference dude, be honest.
What do you think you can do to a standard E39 M5 diff that uses clutches that wear out that will make it so much better then a wavetrac?
Did
😪😪😪