@@nobbyfirefly57basically the design. There’s this thing you use with HTML called CSS. CSS affects the design so like the color the font size what images can be shown hence, the name Cascading Style Sheet. It isn’t that complicated imo. It’s fun to play around with considering I’m dogwater at Java script.
@@ExodiumTM It's impressive how you're "pretty sure" while simultaneously know nothing about how that works. The cookie stores a session key generated ad-hoc and stored by the server and it will have an expiry date. Non cross-site cookies are inaccessible by any other website besides the ones that generated it. This key can be rendered invalid remotely if needed and it decays once you log out. The only way you can get hacked with it is if you already have RAT (Remote Access Trojan - a kind of virus) in your pc or literally share the key yourself somehow. A RAT will have full control on the target machine so that's obvious it can steal everything on it. Avoiding viruses is trivial nowadays.
@@ExodiumTMdepends on the app developer. If it has cookies, with many not so complex security measures like JWT, CORS, HTTPS, HSTS, and ip address check it's 100% safe However beware of browser password auto fill. It isn't encrypted and stored plaintext in a directory anyone can access
Shouldn’t that be illegal? Also, whoever is maintaining that didn’t go all the way with the group, so that’s kinda suspicious. They could say he’d be left behind to “share the word” but hey, the comet is gone.
I still read like crazy but the mess you have to wade through is insane nowadays. I remember a teacher saying there's no such thing as a dumb question, but that was stated before web 2.0.
@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 Mostly nostalgia paired with rose colored glasses tbh. I'm probably happier (on scale) now than I've ever been, but I like to look back on the good things from back when.
I love the DIY quality of the old internet. It had a defined aesthetic and artistic/creative quality. Everything is homogenised by service providers now so the internet is just this massive corporate extension.
On the old internet you’d just read and there was no feed. No doom-scrolling, no cookies, no algorithm. You came there with a mission, an interest and could genuinely explore and have that feeling of discovering and learning new things yourself. Shit wasn’t spoonfed to you by some corporate designed algorithm. Now the internet is no different than the TV. Minimal self decided interaction. Everything gone for the sake of convenience. People don’t realize that the difficulties it took to overcome was what made it fun in the first place. You had to figure it out. It wasn’t annoying in the way ads are. It was just something you had to try and find out how to operate. Finding obscure websites randomly and being the first one in your circle to know about them was a crazy pioneer type of feeling. Exploring links and reading up on stuff you never knew about, finding new interests and fascinations. That’s what really made the old internet what it was. Now we have apps. They all suck ass bc you don’t have any freedom. Everything is compartmentalized and there is no explorable overlap or common layers under the surface. No mystery. You always know what expects you and it’s trash
What you are looking for still exists and it has a name: wikipedia. It has none of the bullshit you critize and can suck you in for hours for true satisfaction
I mostly agree but there are actually small fragments and bastions of the old web that still exist. Corporations have indeed ruined more than 95% of it with their trash and monetization of everything.
I'm not sure if it's just me but I feel like the "old Internet" died around 2012. Because I remember before then how there was a stark contrast between TV and the Internet. Then it somewhat quickly melded into becoming the very thing it was trying to destroy.
No websites existed prior to 1991, as the HTTP protocol didn't exist. The domain names existed, but they were used for older technologies like WAIS and Gopher, FTP etc. Just because the domain was registered in the 80s and there's an outdated webpage there now, doesn't mean that webpage has existed since the 80s.
Please can we go back? I hate it when I need a couple kilobytes of text information on a congested or spotty data link and the website is loading 100MB of mixed media before it will show me anything. The browser should honestly be allowed to block all scripts so I can grab just the important info I need
This is possible though, you can block javascript and you can even block CSS with Tor. Unfortunately most modern websites break if you enable these settings, especially cloudfare websites
As someone who loves sporks I can't believe I never knew about that website. Sports are awesome for eating soup because you can scoop like normal but you can also stab specific pieces from the soup. That's about the only time I use them but I love them for that purpose.
@@flowinsounds It was not really on the internet as we know it, it didnt use the Hypertextmarkuplanguage, the the transfer protocolls, the same way to refer to data, or a webbrowser. All this came later, in 89' allthough some adresses existed in a different way.
i'm asking for details. I used news groups, and remote file sharing over the JANET/KAREN networks in the early 90s,so lots of command line unix access, but would like to know more of the websites of the time. This was with BNC terminated networking, before switched tcp/ip@@ABW941
@@flowinsounds html & http protocol weren't invented until 1989 and were subsequntly released for general public use in 1991. Typically before that "web" sites were actually bulletin board systems - sometimes the code was open source, sometimes proprietry (e.g. in the UK - Prestel, Micronet, etc). Precursors to html were (e.g.) text formattinmg and markup "languages" like Runoff and LaTeX.
@@butwhytharum I think one of the general recurring issues in the video and in the comment section is the idea that “internet” and “world wide web” are synonymous. Tim Berners-Lee invented the web at CERN (but not necessarily _for_ CERN) and it was designed to work on the already-established internet.
@@charlie.on.youtube The web was made for CERN, at CERN. So his site IS the first. So NOTHING on the web is older then that, which is 1991. Before that we had other systems, based on the internet. Like ftp-sites and Gopher. By the way, I started/worked on websites back in 1992/1993 is still there. Both the computer association Update, Uppsala Swrden. And University of Gävle/Sandviken. It they are still running. But neither are so retro.
Oh yeah, so terrible that we have search engine and aggregate sites now... oh dear me having them all in the same place for me to easily find. No more exploring for me as I only watch videos on youtube short instead of going through blogs after blogs for content.
@@kaynkayn9870 Most modern search engines, especially Google's, are absolutely busted and useless. RUclips is highly restrictive with its content and very draconian towards its content creators, and the other major websites in which all the surface/mainstream level content is concentrated (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, etc.) aren't any better.
Google preserved many old forums, usenet groups and even bulletin board systems, not only by allowing us to find them, but even by actually hosting them on Google Groups. The companies that ran them couldn't make money out of them by the late 90s because the internet had become relatively widespread, so most were archived, some were even lost. Google bought such archives and preserved a lot of (pre-)internet history that way. A few years ago I read a BBS thread from 1982 where they talk about "that new E.T. Atari game that had just come out" (that came to be known as one of the worst games of all time). It felt so interesting reading it. As for forums, I used to find forum posts from 1997-1999 from time to time until a couple of years ago. I have interests in video games from that era and troubleshooting them sometimes leads to such old sources. I don't consider them all that ancient because you can easily find user reviews on IMDb from '99. Not that I used the internet back then, I was born in 1990 and started using the internet in 2002, but there are slightly older people for whom life on the internet in the early 2000s doesn't feel ancient yet - nostalgic, yes, but it wasn't 60 years ago. I'd say a more significant watershed between old and new internet is 2005-2008 or so, when RUclips, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc took over. Of those RUclips seems to be the most significant time capsule, not that people commonly watch personal videos from 15 years ago, but when you watch the official upload of an older song it's usually from 2008-09 when Vevo was initiated so music labels could profit from RUclips rather than allowing random people to amass tens and later hundreds of millions of views.
@@SilverWolf89936 The more obscure something is the less likely it will have a modern source of information. It is the same in a physical library, if what you are looking for is information that maybe only one or two people have looked for in decades then you will be directed to a dusty old book from a century ago. The same goes for websites.
actually that offten happenns to me when I serch for somthing like school related info, or recently I was serching for my region flags, and ended up on a 90' looking website, that is probably run by some sector of the goverment.
Using tables was the second strategy I learned. The first was using a 1-pixel transparent GIF and resizing it so, for example, you could indent text or insert space between sections.
An actual web site from the 1980s That's pretty cool, considering the web and HTML1 wasn't invented until 1991. Whoever made those pages needs to be employed as a futurist now.
Fun fact, if you want to write html for emails you still need to use tables. In fact only a small subset of html 4 works at all in non-browser email clients like outlook. Think maybe it's because outlook uses IE? Wrong, it's because outlook uses word as it's html engine. Also things like Gmail remove style tags so all styles need to be inline, and pretty much every span needs to repeat all its font styles. I work at a company that processes 100m emails a day and this is my personal hell.
@@Eduardo_Espinoza I'd love to have a company that made tables so I could make our slogan "We bring tables to the table." Or a company that makes food carts, "We bring food to the table."
I remember visiting the milk website and reading his statement about how he will only accept email offers in the 10's of millions. So i emailed him and said, "You should never make public your sale price, when it's more than a Platinum grade ( $100,000 ) hitman. This isn't a threat, it's advice."
@@kasrakh86 I've actually considered reviving it myself. It's still up technically, but hasn't been used in over a decade. I'm taking some pretty intense college classes right now, but will probably pick it back up in the summer. We have a very big family with a lot of history, and I think it would be nice to preserve that somewhere.
1987 is when I first went online and I haven’t stopped since! My first log-in was with a group called “ECHO” which stands for East Coast Hang Out; based in New York City, originating at NY University computer studies dept (don’t recall exactly). After that I joined Compuserve and then AOL. It’s been quite a ride!
@@proto_arkbit3100Don't forget all the wacky "diverse public" green, purple, and blue people with their tiny skewed heads and gargantuan king kong arms on indiscernible bodies riding unicycles and planting gardens while doing handstands. "Teehee we're so unique and quirky and relatable. We represent everyone by depicting no one!" --Every tech company since like 2008
Overdesigined today. Hahahahaha. Dude. Internet were filled with internet designs in the 90's. It used to be millions of private web pages looking cool. Today there is not much web pages existing anymore. Social media ruined internet.
My favorite old website that's still online is an ancient Pokemon fanfiction and fanart website named The Pokemon Tower. Came online in the early 2000s and lasted until 2012 when it just simply stopped getting updates. Didn't get shut down or anything, there's even still a contest running to win a 3DS. Just simply abandoned.
@@knife-wieldingspidergod5059 If you're referring to the flash player that shows up on the first page, that's the only thing about the site that no longer works. There's a link below it to go to the main page.
So April 30, 1993, was when the "Internet" became available to the general public. So how can you have business "websites" before then? Anything that came before would have been BBS-related and not true sites as related to the WWW.
I'm supposing the ones before 1994 weren't WWW, but existed as something like a BBS or a newsgroup before they actually became a website. Or is there something I don't know?
If I recally correctly, 94 is just when the WWW started getting big, the most basic of it's technologies (e.g. the Mosaic browser) were present in the late 80s if I recall correctly.
The University of Minnesota had developed a hyperlinked text based technology that was called gopher (after the school’s sports teams name); port 70 on the servers handled that protocol. Port 80 became the port for the servers designed to work with HTML. The key takeaway is to understand that one technology took advantage of and used some earlier technology while adding features.
The Internet and the World Wide Web are 2 distinct things. The www dates to the mid 90’s but the Internet was already 20 years old at that time. I’ve been on the Internet before www. Sites used gopher to present information, it was the precursor of html.
You should cover ham radio repeaters like 10 meter repeaters and 440 mhz repeaters and 2 meter repeaters and old analog radios vs new digital sdr rtl radios.
Only some bunch of my fellas will understand the hype that we feel when we read ALOT of a web and then see a blue word that means A LINK to another page XD
It's crazy to think none of this existed when I was born and now there are adults with children of their own who are younger than some of these websites.
Afaik, before the end of 1991 there was no html and no browsers in the internet, thus, any claim for oldest websites from the 1980s can't possibly be true, right?
A coding channel that calls html "code" and is amused that a website form 96 used tables for layout. SMDH. Youngin, back then we didn't have flexbox, css grid, or even float (probably before your time, it was "lit" and "cold af"). Hell, CSS wasn't even a thing until late 96! That left us with basically 1 option: TABLES! Take some time to educate yourself on the history of you supposed profession, instead of hyping the latest JS framework, shoving AI down our throats, and making OF "models" rich. And it was mobile responsive because it just used default wrapping (probz jus a P element, dawg), like any site would without all the new fangled BS.
no, the thing is, really simple websites that are just ,like, text fit well automatically onto mobile web browsers, because they are really easy to render. so, the joke is that he is complimenting them for a feature they didn't go out of their way to implement.
@@cat47... Or you know the average computer in 1994 was like 640x480 pixels resolution, so a modern phone would be a top end CAD workstation costing $50k
Well, they wrote the web site the way it was originally intended. The idea being that you only deliver the content and leave the presentation to the device displaying it.
@@grossteilfahrer : Relative speeds aren't relevant here, it's literally responsive just bwcause old sites didn't usually try to set the width for anything other than padding. Except for really large screens, there's rarely an actual reason to set a width for things, graphics design types and the folks that really abused tables (often the same group...) just keep doing the wrong thing because they aren't properly adjusting to the technology.
How could those oldest websites have been websites before the invention HTTP, HTML, and URLs? Or were they something else first and later became websites?
The earliest website technology was developed at two places in the very early 1990s: CERN in Europe and the University of Illinois at Urbana Champlain. Nuclear physics was being exchanged between those two. They each wrote their own web server software, the one from the USA evolved into the web server software known as Apache.
I think he's gotten some things confused in his video. I believe the domains existed, but they were using other protocols like gopher, and then after HTTP/HTML came on the scene they moved to that while keeping the same domain names.
Specifocation for the World Wide Web and HTML were CTEATED by Tim Berners-Lee of CERN in 1991 so I doubt any claims before then. Plus there was no support for images or browsers that could support images until a few years after that
The web wasn't invented until 1989, so no website can exist from before that. It wasn't open to the public until 1991, so anything commercial before that likely is BS. And all of that was text only. First graphical web browser was NCSA Mosaic and I'm pretty sure that was 1994. Anything with an image can't be before that.
I remember we got a computer in grade 7. He was installing the internet, whatever that was. This was 1986-87. Our teacher was setting a bunch of ones and zeros to get it to work. It seemed overly complicated. We had computer class in high-school but it was optional and looked boring. I never took it but when windows xp was still awesome I got a 40gb dell 😂. My first taste of real internet. Hello limewire.
Anything older than CERNS website is not really a website because it wasn't written in HTML which was invented there. It could be they were Gopher "sites" that were later converted to HTML which doesn't count. Also, FTP sites don't count.
We need more flashing banner ads, multicolored text, and spinning logos just like Christopher Walken needs more cowbell. And bring back Hot or Not. I have an itch to compare myself to others.
How can you have a website from 1986 since the websites we know wasn't invented until 1989 with a prototype browser mosaic arriving at the end of 1990😂
A website using table tags in no way whatsoever dates it. Those are still used today on many websites and the tag is not deprecated, etc. For data output in tables, the table tag is.... the right thing to use. Also, I was part of the group of developers that created the very first webpage and set up the first HTTP server for Youngstown State University, sometime around 1993.
I first got on the internet in 1994 when my father bought a computer and dial up Internet. Previous to that however in like 86-87-88 I wanted to get on the BBS however I didn’t have the money for a computer at 13-14 years old.
The web didn't exist in the 1980s. CERN's website was the first. Don't make the mistake of confusing "web" with "internet". There were internet services before the web.
The internet goes back farther in time than the World Wide Web which works on, but is a separate thing from the internet, the Web was invented in '93 and yes, the cern site is in fact the oldest website. Internet. World Wide Web. These are not synonyms.
Ah yes, Sporks. The greatest invention in human history, right after the flamethrower, which has been proven to be the greatest invention right after the AMC Gremlin.
I wish I could remember the password to my first email address. I tried the password reset, but I don’t remember the answers to the biographical security questions because I never use real information.
KKK website there was one with KKK propoganda abd join our agenda i think it should be taken disn after so long But jeez it took effort in that time like it was designed good good work
This make me wonder if all the random free websites I made back in the late 90s are still active. Had page counters and flash games and what not. Guess there is no way of knowing anymore 😢
Hey @codingwithlewis maybe just try doing the most basic of research to understand the actual history of the web, plus the difference between a domain name and a website.
![Cody Johnson - I'm Gonna Love You (with Carrie Underwood) [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yy9PuYMU29g/mqdefault.jpg)
It's mobile responsive 😂
Well, your web is automatically mobile responsive if it doesn't have a stylesheet :D
@@CZghostwhat’s a stylesheet?
@@nobbyfirefly57code to beautify the page (colors, sizes, etc...) instead of leaving it as pure text
@@nobbyfirefly57a stylesheet is used to improve the visuals of html and ejs. Common stylesheet extensions are .css and .scss
@@nobbyfirefly57basically the design. There’s this thing you use with HTML called CSS. CSS affects the design so like the color the font size what images can be shown hence, the name Cascading Style Sheet. It isn’t that complicated imo. It’s fun to play around with considering I’m dogwater at Java script.
And they don't implement cookies 🙂
Cookies are the things that automatically log you in so you don't need to retype your password every time. Some cookies are good.
@@paskky913 pretty sure that ain't safe...
@@ExodiumTMonly if someone steal your cookies
@@ExodiumTM It's impressive how you're "pretty sure" while simultaneously know nothing about how that works.
The cookie stores a session key generated ad-hoc and stored by the server and it will have an expiry date.
Non cross-site cookies are inaccessible by any other website besides the ones that generated it.
This key can be rendered invalid remotely if needed and it decays once you log out. The only way you can get hacked with it is if you already have RAT (Remote Access Trojan - a kind of virus) in your pc or literally share the key yourself somehow. A RAT will have full control on the target machine so that's obvious it can steal everything on it.
Avoiding viruses is trivial nowadays.
@@ExodiumTMdepends on the app developer. If it has cookies, with many not so complex security measures like JWT, CORS, HTTPS, HSTS, and ip address check it's 100% safe
However beware of browser password auto fill. It isn't encrypted and stored plaintext in a directory anyone can access
You forgot the Heaven’s Gate cult website from 1997 that’s still up. One member is still alive that maintains it
Now THAT is (morbidly?) fascinating. You need more upvotes.
That's wack bruh
Shouldn’t that be illegal? Also, whoever is maintaining that didn’t go all the way with the group, so that’s kinda suspicious. They could say he’d be left behind to “share the word” but hey, the comet is gone.
I thought theres 2 people running it?
Oh wow😬
“Over time it has evolved and this is what it looks like now”
👴🏻->👴🏻
I was blown-away by the redesign! So old-school 😲
Maybe the guy who runs the sites just stops caring about it for another years
maybe the old school look is the brand@@SiPakRubah
More like 😀->😃
If you update something old a heck of a long time ago.... it's still gonna be old.
I miss the old internet.
I used to read and read and read like crazy before I had access to much books.
Me too, was a really exciting time to be alive.
I still read like crazy but the mess you have to wade through is insane nowadays. I remember a teacher saying there's no such thing as a dumb question, but that was stated before web 2.0.
@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 Mostly nostalgia paired with rose colored glasses tbh. I'm probably happier (on scale) now than I've ever been, but I like to look back on the good things from back when.
@@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 _"Wtf are people so OBSESSED with the past"_
Wtf do you not understand the difference between NOSTALGIA and obsession?
@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 I understand that. It's definitely to be taken in moderation. Best to learn from the past, not live in it.
I love the DIY quality of the old internet. It had a defined aesthetic and artistic/creative quality. Everything is homogenised by service providers now so the internet is just this massive corporate extension.
then why not make ur own website
@cyjico everyone that misses the old web should make their own site, and host it on neocities. I made one, done totally by hand.
@@Stinkoman87 i don't know what neocities is but i was just thinking of making it with react and host on firebase
@Stinkoman87 can I make one for free?
@@fabienzaca yep! Totally free!
My theory is that someone pays the server costs for these sites to make sure that new JavaScript, HTML and CSS engines are backwards compatible.
I was going to like your comment but I didn’t want to change the 69 likes.
As a "reference checkpoint" ? So that we don't sway away from the original syntax? Pretty cool thought I'd say
Why? Is there some law that says that browsers have to be able to load old web pages?
@@langelle1 no but because it would be insane if html or css wasnt backwards compatible
Imagine the havoc if sites started morphing into fugly unreadable making the Internet useless.
On the old internet you’d just read and there was no feed. No doom-scrolling, no cookies, no algorithm. You came there with a mission, an interest and could genuinely explore and have that feeling of discovering and learning new things yourself. Shit wasn’t spoonfed to you by some corporate designed algorithm. Now the internet is no different than the TV. Minimal self decided interaction. Everything gone for the sake of convenience. People don’t realize that the difficulties it took to overcome was what made it fun in the first place. You had to figure it out. It wasn’t annoying in the way ads are. It was just something you had to try and find out how to operate. Finding obscure websites randomly and being the first one in your circle to know about them was a crazy pioneer type of feeling. Exploring links and reading up on stuff you never knew about, finding new interests and fascinations. That’s what really made the old internet what it was. Now we have apps. They all suck ass bc you don’t have any freedom. Everything is compartmentalized and there is no explorable overlap or common layers under the surface. No mystery. You always know what expects you and it’s trash
What you are looking for still exists and it has a name: wikipedia. It has none of the bullshit you critize and can suck you in for hours for true satisfaction
I mostly agree but there are actually small fragments and bastions of the old web that still exist. Corporations have indeed ruined more than 95% of it with their trash and monetization of everything.
I'm not sure if it's just me but I feel like the "old Internet" died around 2012. Because I remember before then how there was a stark contrast between TV and the Internet. Then it somewhat quickly melded into becoming the very thing it was trying to destroy.
Facebook was a big hit in part, because there were no ads.
Wow! This took me back. The best way I've heard "the Internet used to be so much better".
I remember being 10 and installing a hit counter on my geocities website with animated pentagrams. Those were the good ol days.
No websites existed prior to 1991, as the HTTP protocol didn't exist. The domain names existed, but they were used for older technologies like WAIS and Gopher, FTP etc. Just because the domain was registered in the 80s and there's an outdated webpage there now, doesn't mean that webpage has existed since the 80s.
You’re correct. This video is misleading.
Gopher! Holy shit, I'm old.
@@EmperorMegas you and me both man
I've been on internet email since 1980.
@@UkeCan1the internet is older than the web (http)
Please can we go back? I hate it when I need a couple kilobytes of text information on a congested or spotty data link and the website is loading 100MB of mixed media before it will show me anything. The browser should honestly be allowed to block all scripts so I can grab just the important info I need
This is possible though, you can block javascript and you can even block CSS with Tor. Unfortunately most modern websites break if you enable these settings, especially cloudfare websites
@@oyveygoyI'm pretty sure you can load any website as html
I use the NoScript extension in firefox to do that very thing. Has worked great for me for years now.
@@JohnCoffinsThey never said you couldn't.
Unfortunately most modern websites rely too heavily on JavaScript and render nothing without it.
As someone who loves sporks I can't believe I never knew about that website.
Sports are awesome for eating soup because you can scoop like normal but you can also stab specific pieces from the soup.
That's about the only time I use them but I love them for that purpose.
When Dreamweaver is new technology, that’s how you know it’s old.
Sir I need your help
Can we talk
my manager told me about DreamWeaver a week ago, it felt like I got back to Stone Age, and I’m a dude who still codes his newsletters by hand !
@@ElectricRainbowCloudssame here
I’d completely forgotten about Dreamweaver, and I used it a lot. Strange because all you needed back then was notepad.
I was team FrontPage back then! 😊😊😊
Those 80s "websites" were not on the www, and used something else but HTML.
explain.
@@flowinsounds It was not really on the internet as we know it, it didnt use the Hypertextmarkuplanguage, the the transfer protocolls, the same way to refer to data, or a webbrowser. All this came later, in 89' allthough some adresses existed in a different way.
i'm asking for details. I used news groups, and remote file sharing over the JANET/KAREN networks in the early 90s,so lots of command line unix access, but would like to know more of the websites of the time. This was with BNC terminated networking, before switched tcp/ip@@ABW941
@@ABW941 He did not show any "websites" from the 80s. He mentioned business that were founded in the 80s... Not the same thing.
@@flowinsounds html & http protocol weren't invented until 1989 and were subsequntly released for general public use in 1991.
Typically before that "web" sites were actually bulletin board systems - sometimes the code was open source, sometimes proprietry (e.g. in the UK - Prestel, Micronet, etc).
Precursors to html were (e.g.) text formattinmg and markup "languages" like Runoff and LaTeX.
Honestly these need to be kept around just for the sheer historic/nostalgic value
probs would have an entry in the Library of Congress at least.
Megadeath were the first musical artists to have an official website
*Megadeth
@@freakazoid4691 DOH!
So... Mustaine went big brain and got on the fast train to obtain a domain? That what you sayin'?
@@evlkenevl2721 🤯
“CLAIMS to be the first website”. Tell me you don’t know internet history without telling me you don’t know about internet history.
Came for this comment
thought the internet was invented to be used at Cern.
@@butwhytharum I think one of the general recurring issues in the video and in the comment section is the idea that “internet” and “world wide web” are synonymous. Tim Berners-Lee invented the web at CERN (but not necessarily _for_ CERN) and it was designed to work on the already-established internet.
Don't forget "made with TABLES"
@@charlie.on.youtube The web was made for CERN, at CERN. So his site IS the first.
So NOTHING on the web is older then that, which is 1991.
Before that we had other systems, based on the internet. Like ftp-sites and Gopher.
By the way, I started/worked on websites back in 1992/1993 is still there. Both the computer association Update, Uppsala Swrden.
And University of Gävle/Sandviken. It they are still running. But neither are so retro.
Back when the Internet was worth exploring
Oh yeah, so terrible that we have search engine and aggregate sites now... oh dear me having them all in the same place for me to easily find. No more exploring for me as I only watch videos on youtube short instead of going through blogs after blogs for content.
@@kaynkayn9870 yep
@@kaynkayn9870 Most modern search engines, especially Google's, are absolutely busted and useless. RUclips is highly restrictive with its content and very draconian towards its content creators, and the other major websites in which all the surface/mainstream level content is concentrated (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, etc.) aren't any better.
@@kaynkayn9870enjoying the globohomo slop?
@@kaynkayn9870All the sites I search up are shit. Reused and AI generated, it seems
I was looking for info on how to repair an accordion and I ended up in a forum entry from the 90s
Google preserved many old forums, usenet groups and even bulletin board systems, not only by allowing us to find them, but even by actually hosting them on Google Groups. The companies that ran them couldn't make money out of them by the late 90s because the internet had become relatively widespread, so most were archived, some were even lost. Google bought such archives and preserved a lot of (pre-)internet history that way.
A few years ago I read a BBS thread from 1982 where they talk about "that new E.T. Atari game that had just come out" (that came to be known as one of the worst games of all time). It felt so interesting reading it.
As for forums, I used to find forum posts from 1997-1999 from time to time until a couple of years ago. I have interests in video games from that era and troubleshooting them sometimes leads to such old sources. I don't consider them all that ancient because you can easily find user reviews on IMDb from '99. Not that I used the internet back then, I was born in 1990 and started using the internet in 2002, but there are slightly older people for whom life on the internet in the early 2000s doesn't feel ancient yet - nostalgic, yes, but it wasn't 60 years ago.
I'd say a more significant watershed between old and new internet is 2005-2008 or so, when RUclips, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc took over. Of those RUclips seems to be the most significant time capsule, not that people commonly watch personal videos from 15 years ago, but when you watch the official upload of an older song it's usually from 2008-09 when Vevo was initiated so music labels could profit from RUclips rather than allowing random people to amass tens and later hundreds of millions of views.
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How is that possible?
@@SilverWolf89936 The more obscure something is the less likely it will have a modern source of information. It is the same in a physical library, if what you are looking for is information that maybe only one or two people have looked for in decades then you will be directed to a dusty old book from a century ago. The same goes for websites.
actually that offten happenns to me when I serch for somthing like school related info, or recently I was serching for my region flags, and ended up on a 90' looking website, that is probably run by some sector of the goverment.
The old internet, so earnest and unfiltered. Felt like wilderness.
Using tables was the second strategy I learned. The first was using a 1-pixel transparent GIF and resizing it so, for example, you could indent text or insert space between sections.
Oh MAN I remember using 1x1 "pixel.gif" files! Back when "width = 10px" didn't always equal ten pixels, and you had to force it.
tables are still commonly used its just that they are often heavily stylized with CSS.
Btw how would you center div without flex, transform or margin auto
@@Gameplayer55055 with percentage
@@Gameplayer55055 Center tag, or align=center .... it took me YEARS to deprogram myself from that.
i miss the old internet.
So much
Old internet, win98, netscape browser, 5-10 kbps modem, runescape, flash games... All gone :(
The old Internet was the mail 📬
Why are we still here? Just to suffer…?
before it was overtaken and monopolized/centralized by corporations
yup
An actual web site from the 1980s That's pretty cool, considering the web and HTML1 wasn't invented until 1991. Whoever made those pages needs to be employed as a futurist now.
😂😂 Fr
Before HTML there were GML (IBM), SGML (CERN) and HyperMedia (Apple). Each with their own browser.
@@larsjonasson2959 Fun fact: The term "web site" was first used in 1993 (2 years after its "invention"), and used in the context of the WWW.
@@larsjonasson2959HTML is SGML.
@@larsjonasson2959No one ever called s hypercard deck a 'website'
Fun fact, if you want to write html for emails you still need to use tables. In fact only a small subset of html 4 works at all in non-browser email clients like outlook. Think maybe it's because outlook uses IE? Wrong, it's because outlook uses word as it's html engine. Also things like Gmail remove style tags so all styles need to be inline, and pretty much every span needs to repeat all its font styles. I work at a company that processes 100m emails a day and this is my personal hell.
IE is a browser.
@@djperryboy I believe he meant IE's rendering engine, Trident. But yeah, Outlook uses WORD's engine lol Literal hell.
NSA?
Honestly being a systems company with one of the oldest websites is one hell of a marketing move
Can't really fix what ain't broke, that's for sure.
They're bringing something to the table
@@Eduardo_Espinozasi viva la revolution carajo!
@@Eduardo_Espinoza I'd love to have a company that made tables so I could make our slogan "We bring tables to the table."
Or a company that makes food carts, "We bring food to the table."
Sometimes I just miss the 90s, so I can just turn on some 90s music and visit these websites 😂
What's stopping you from doing this now?
I remember visiting the milk website and reading his statement about how he will only accept email offers in the 10's of millions.
So i emailed him and said,
"You should never make public your sale price, when it's more than a Platinum grade ( $100,000 ) hitman. This isn't a threat, it's advice."
HTML can truly stand the test of time
And ruined the internet by letting dolts use it. I liked it much better before browsers.
@@DeeegerDNope, that is what makes it shine! Without those "dolts" the net would be only in niche places.
@@DeeegerDI think the Internet was better when it was clay tablets and pictograms. These stupid alphabets allow any moron to read and write, cringe.
Rip
@@gauthamnair6075Agreed when used properly (it almost never was) it was extremely useful.
If you've eaten military ration packs, sporks become important.
im not solid snake
@@BuruKyu Well, whose fault is that?
The net still feels like a recent thing.
It's cuz we're old😂
@@hamdelsun68 _Sigh_ I know.😂
"based in california"
*zoom on hawaii intensifies*
I maintain that not recognising the blink tag was how Internet Explorer won the browser wars.
What do you mean "claims"? İts literally the first website made to test the internet
Probably didn't check for any source confirming it and realised that during recording or editing.
He literally mentioned two older websites after it
He literally named 2 older websites after it
@@Nathan-mu1pzbut they arent older
@@bigbread3 how is 1987 and 1986 not older than 1991?
Someone is beating the time despite this oldnesses 😮
My family owns a domain that my dad bought in the 90s. We used it as a family blog until social media came around
interesting. I thought they were still "free" to obtain then, and nothing was commercial on the Internet back then
@@laus9953 Honestly could be the case. The domain is older than I am
you've always had to pay for domains@@laus9953
Do you guys still have the site? If so, have you tried doing other things with it?
@@kasrakh86 I've actually considered reviving it myself. It's still up technically, but hasn't been used in over a decade. I'm taking some pretty intense college classes right now, but will probably pick it back up in the summer. We have a very big family with a lot of history, and I think it would be nice to preserve that somewhere.
1987 is when I first went online and I haven’t stopped since! My first log-in was with a group called “ECHO” which stands for East Coast Hang Out; based in New York City, originating at NY University computer studies dept (don’t recall exactly). After that I joined Compuserve and then AOL. It’s been quite a ride!
Berkshire Hathaway isn't that old, but it still maintains a very retro look.
facts, i love the retro look, reminds you of when your flash plugin for your browser stops working and all the stuff is in HTML
Is that Anne's dad?
Old times website give off such nostalgic vibes
I want to go back to 2013
same bro.
YES, PLEASE LET ME RETURN
I WAS HAPPY AND HAD NO IDEA
Absolutely AMAZING times man, seriously. You just summed up my best dreams and wishes.
2013 internet sucked
I come from the BBS days. I was just telling a story the other day about I managed to get my parents a $430 phone bill in 1989
I knew how to make free international phone calls in the early '80s.
This got me. I thought "Hello World" would be the first one
A web site from 1986?
Isn't that like a cell phone from the middle ages?
Yeah this guy is making things up for content.
@@kless001 seems like it.
They might have started on gopher or something else, but they for sure were not "websites".
“the most basic website”
about:blank has entered the chat
I knew nothing about about:blank and honestly was thoroughly disappointed it wasn't just a white page with only the word "blank" on it.
that's not a website zoomer
Better than most of the silly overdesigned websites today lol
I miss the old skeumorphic design, minimalist/fluent corporate design is the graphical version of a cold hospital waiting room
@@proto_arkbit3100Don't forget all the wacky "diverse public" green, purple, and blue people with their tiny skewed heads and gargantuan king kong arms on indiscernible bodies riding unicycles and planting gardens while doing handstands.
"Teehee we're so unique and quirky and relatable. We represent everyone by depicting no one!" --Every tech company since like 2008
Overdesigined today. Hahahahaha. Dude. Internet were filled with internet designs in the 90's. It used to be millions of private web pages looking cool. Today there is not much web pages existing anymore. Social media ruined internet.
Nah pornhub looks great!
The old web was so exciting.
I'm amused the computer they picture in this video is an old IBM PC Jr. It's older than any of these websites, from the mid 1980's.
“You already know about this one.”
No. No I didn’t…
I always look forward to your videos. They're both educational and entertaining!
My favorite old website that's still online is an ancient Pokemon fanfiction and fanart website named The Pokemon Tower. Came online in the early 2000s and lasted until 2012 when it just simply stopped getting updates. Didn't get shut down or anything, there's even still a contest running to win a 3DS. Just simply abandoned.
It needs a plug-in.
@@knife-wieldingspidergod5059 If you're referring to the flash player that shows up on the first page, that's the only thing about the site that no longer works. There's a link below it to go to the main page.
Old websites never die. They just slowly fade away...
So April 30, 1993, was when the "Internet" became available to the general public. So how can you have business "websites" before then? Anything that came before would have been BBS-related and not true sites as related to the WWW.
"you already know about this one" ... no, i wasn't born yet
I think this dude wasn't born yet either. He's just guessing
There were older html websites on BBS's but those probably don't exist anymore. These were all really SGML too before 1993.
"its mobile responsive" got me super bad 😂
I'm supposing the ones before 1994 weren't WWW, but existed as something like a BBS or a newsgroup before they actually became a website. Or is there something I don't know?
If I recally correctly, 94 is just when the WWW started getting big, the most basic of it's technologies (e.g. the Mosaic browser) were present in the late 80s if I recall correctly.
The University of Minnesota had developed a hyperlinked text based technology that was called gopher (after the school’s sports teams name); port 70 on the servers handled that protocol. Port 80 became the port for the servers designed to work with HTML.
The key takeaway is to understand that one technology took advantage of and used some earlier technology while adding features.
The Internet and the World Wide Web are 2 distinct things. The www dates to the mid 90’s but the Internet was already 20 years old at that time. I’ve been on the Internet before www. Sites used gopher to present information, it was the precursor of html.
The CERN site from 1991 is the first web site. They released the underlying software in 1993. It exploded after that.
a site made with tables, that's why it still works
Had a job moving those to divs in the early 2010s
You should cover ham radio repeaters like 10 meter repeaters and 440 mhz repeaters and 2 meter repeaters and old analog radios vs new digital sdr rtl radios.
Berkshire Hathaway's website iirc has been last updated in 1997 and hasn't changed since.
Edit: The sad part is it's not responsive.
I know how to make websites responsive but I don't know to connect them to the databases
"claims to be the first website ever". Of course it is. It was made as a proof of concept by the inventors of http and html. Man...
Ah, back when websites actually had good aesthetics instead of being “postmodern” garbage
Only some bunch of my fellas will understand the hype that we feel when we read ALOT of a web and then see a blue word that means A LINK to another page XD
"Hype" 😂
It's crazy to think none of this existed when I was born and now there are adults with children of their own who are younger than some of these websites.
Yeah it's really weird to tell my son (aren't I still a kid?) that the internet didn't exist and neither did "phones" as they do now.
I tell my son I'm older than Google. He thinks I'm joking.
Caine Farber really has a weird logo , makes you wonder what it's really about.
When they think that table is sing of oldness, and you your whole life knew knew that tables is sign of perfection
Afaik, before the end of 1991 there was no html and no browsers in the internet, thus, any claim for oldest websites from the 1980s can't possibly be true, right?
Correct.
Any one here play larry the lounge suite lizard 🦎?
Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards 😉👍🏻
A coding channel that calls html "code" and is amused that a website form 96 used tables for layout. SMDH. Youngin, back then we didn't have flexbox, css grid, or even float (probably before your time, it was "lit" and "cold af"). Hell, CSS wasn't even a thing until late 96! That left us with basically 1 option: TABLES! Take some time to educate yourself on the history of you supposed profession, instead of hyping the latest JS framework, shoving AI down our throats, and making OF "models" rich.
And it was mobile responsive because it just used default wrapping (probz jus a P element, dawg), like any site would without all the new fangled BS.
The fact that they made the most basic website mobile responsive while adding nothing else is another level of trolling🤣
no, the thing is, really simple websites that are just ,like, text fit well automatically onto mobile web browsers, because they are really easy to render. so, the joke is that he is complimenting them for a feature they didn't go out of their way to implement.
@@cat47... Or you know the average computer in 1994 was like 640x480 pixels resolution, so a modern phone would be a top end CAD workstation costing $50k
Well, they wrote the web site the way it was originally intended. The idea being that you only deliver the content and leave the presentation to the device displaying it.
@@grossteilfahrer : Relative speeds aren't relevant here, it's literally responsive just bwcause old sites didn't usually try to set the width for anything other than padding. Except for really large screens, there's rarely an actual reason to set a width for things, graphics design types and the folks that really abused tables (often the same group...) just keep doing the wrong thing because they aren't properly adjusting to the technology.
And the fact that they wrote their email address with "at" and the wrote "replace at with @", just so it wouldn't turn into a link.
That logo. The spinning triangle. Thats a symbol used by people who traffic and prey in children…
I was looking for this comment i thought i was the only one that noticed
Wow! Space Jam actually still existed.
No it's gone. Its now a modern site for the stupid new movie with LeBron James. I was pissed when they did it.
@askjeevescosby2928 no, it's still there. I was just on it a minute ago. Just dig a little deeper.
Don't think I could ever be smart enough to code. Kuddos. I still enjoy your videos
Its easy and you should try it sometime
How could those oldest websites have been websites before the invention HTTP, HTML, and URLs? Or were they something else first and later became websites?
The earliest website technology was developed at two places in the very early 1990s: CERN in Europe and the University of Illinois at Urbana Champlain. Nuclear physics was being exchanged between those two. They each wrote their own web server software, the one from the USA evolved into the web server software known as Apache.
I think he's gotten some things confused in his video. I believe the domains existed, but they were using other protocols like gopher, and then after HTTP/HTML came on the scene they moved to that while keeping the same domain names.
Specifocation for the World Wide Web and HTML were CTEATED by Tim Berners-Lee of CERN in 1991 so I doubt any claims before then. Plus there was no support for images or browsers that could support images until a few years after that
Microsoft Frontpage, for the win!
I only had frontpage express on my windows 95 machine :)
The web wasn't invented until 1989, so no website can exist from before that. It wasn't open to the public until 1991, so anything commercial before that likely is BS. And all of that was text only. First graphical web browser was NCSA Mosaic and I'm pretty sure that was 1994. Anything with an image can't be before that.
These kids think the internet started with web pages 😂😅
Ikr lol
Also if they talking websites Hampster Dance should be included with a honorable mention its been going since 98 unchanged.
Doesn't mention BBS or IRC or anything like that. Sad!
@@sirllamaiii9708Read the title.
@@deus_ex_machina_ I don't care about what's right or applicable to the context. I just want to feel like I'm in the know.
I remember we got a computer in grade 7. He was installing the internet, whatever that was. This was 1986-87. Our teacher was setting a bunch of ones and zeros to get it to work. It seemed overly complicated. We had computer class in high-school but it was optional and looked boring. I never took it but when windows xp was still awesome I got a 40gb dell 😂. My first taste of real internet. Hello limewire.
This is wrong . The oldest website is actually Oracle website for java
That's why it runs on billions of devices 🤯
Not sure if sarcastic, but HTML/WWW was invented at CERN...
@@privy15the joke is that oracles website is extremely outdated
@mcnugget3851 I think they updated it last year
@@_drivEN_they updated it now its only outdated by a decade
Anything older than CERNS website is not really a website because it wasn't written in HTML which was invented there. It could be they were Gopher "sites" that were later converted to HTML which doesn't count. Also, FTP sites don't count.
Me...
We need more flashing banner ads, multicolored text, and spinning logos just like Christopher Walken needs more cowbell. And bring back Hot or Not. I have an itch to compare myself to others.
Goooood old times
How can you have a website from 1986 since the websites we know wasn't invented until 1989 with a prototype browser mosaic arriving at the end of 1990😂
A website using table tags in no way whatsoever dates it. Those are still used today on many websites and the tag is not deprecated, etc. For data output in tables, the table tag is.... the right thing to use. Also, I was part of the group of developers that created the very first webpage and set up the first HTTP server for Youngstown State University, sometime around 1993.
Nobody uses tables now
I first got on the internet in 1994 when my father bought a computer and dial up Internet. Previous to that however in like 86-87-88 I wanted to get on the BBS however I didn’t have the money for a computer at 13-14 years old.
The web didn't exist in the 1980s. CERN's website was the first. Don't make the mistake of confusing "web" with "internet". There were internet services before the web.
The internet goes back farther in time than the World Wide Web which works on, but is a separate thing from the internet, the Web was invented in '93 and yes, the cern site is in fact the oldest website.
Internet.
World Wide Web.
These are not synonyms.
Ah yes, Sporks. The greatest invention in human history, right after the flamethrower, which has been proven to be the greatest invention right after the AMC Gremlin.
I wish I could remember the password to my first email address. I tried the password reset, but I don’t remember the answers to the biographical security questions because I never use real information.
Funny looking triangle symbol they got there.
I remember reading funny lists on Barking Spider using Netscape in the library computers during lunch hour in high school. Fun times.
Web has been created by scientists from the CERN, they created the http protocol, CERN website is definitely the first or one of the first website.
I remember the old web! I got on in 1994. And before that, endless fun on BBSs in the 80s with dreams of being a sysop
KKK website there was one with KKK propoganda abd join our agenda i think it should be taken disn after so long
But jeez it took effort in that time like it was designed good good work
This make me wonder if all the random free websites I made back in the late 90s are still active. Had page counters and flash games and what not. Guess there is no way of knowing anymore 😢
I started some programming learning skills on a LUXOR 🔤 in 1983. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪.
Unfortunately I learned to code HTML in 1996 and my website looks like it. LOL 😂
What are you talking about? Even I had a web page before space jam existed. Internet is much older than that.
As a web developer who started in the 1990s, yes, all websites used to be made with tables. 'Twas a simpler time...
I remember "save karen" and "million dollar homepage" (don't know if they still exist !)
Hey @codingwithlewis maybe just try doing the most basic of research to understand the actual history of the web, plus the difference between a domain name and a website.