It’s Something About Jay-Z That Puts Him At The Top Spot vs. LL Cool J Besides Music. Maybe Beyoncé?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Melle Mel wonders what is making people hold Jay-Z in high regard because he doesn't think it's his music.
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Being from Brooklyn jay z holds a special place in our hearts after biggie died he held nyc down for like 15 years fr
How Jay hold down NYC when he never went to a SMACK battle? Dummy
No cap, J had them metaphors and I think ppl are really forgetting that-
He said some of the most wittiest shit on Black Album
They didn't forget they just hate the man
@@eib3137 I'm one of the few ppl that supported the blueprint 2 album- man J slayed the fck out that album!!!
Blueprint > black album and BP2
THANK YOU! I have been saying this for years! He is extremely witty and nobody talks about that!
Nope.. LL is better.
You take away the money, you take away Beyoncé, you take away the business acumen, and Jay is still one of the best songwriters & hit makers the music industry has ever heard. He one of the few artists (especially in hip hop) where writing “mainstream” hits didn’t hurt his career.
Jay Z, to a lot of folks, is the symbol of what it looks like to be at the bottom, rise to the top, go into other areas of business, marries the hottest woman in today’s culture, and be able to sit at the table of the elite, and be a very successful person.
Don't forget the 11 #1 albums LL went gold 15x but at Jay-Z peak he was going gold in 1 wk
Everyone Favors the underdog 😁
In 96 I was riding pacs dick like alot of his Stan's out there. I went back and listened to reasonable doubt. I was sleeping hard on dude. Jigga man has become my number 1 rapper. I became a fan in 04 with the black album. However makaveli is still my favorite album of all time
thats it. he's an ugly guy with a weird voice who didn't let that stop him from being a popular club rapper.
Jay-z is what Biggie would of been doing. Jay-z was and still hustling like Biggie from their inception which can inderstand why he is on top.
You don't know wht Biggie would've been doing .....you actually Seen Jay Do
Officially. Jay Z pushed Hip Hop into Adult Contemporary status i.e. made it unapologetically o.k. for artists over 35 to still be in like in Rock with Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, etc.
Unofficially...
Facts! Definitely broadened the footprint of the culture
Well said 👍
He Trippin,,LL cool J is a pioneer of hip hop,,and comes from the class of the first group of pioneer fathers that formed hip hop...In fact,,im 48 years old and remember clearly when hip hop exploded in the early 80s,,and the first groups that caused the explosion in the early 80s was RUNDMC,,THE FATBOYS,,LL COOL J,,AND WHODINI.....in fact,,we all know that grandmaster flash,,melly mel,,Kurt's blow,,and sugar Hill were first in the 70s early 80s to birth the movement to the media,,but hip hop did not explode until the Thuglife era crack cocaine era and the gang era hit the black communitys across the nation in the early 80s...that being said LL COOL J is an iconic pioneer legend,,and Jay Z could never compare...in fact,,young LL COOL J on stage was a sight to see,,he was the personification of real hip hop lingo,,swag,,artform,,style,,stage presence,,fashion,,personality,,and flows....young LL COOL J would make Jay Z look like a boring artist on stage...facts...
LL had others write his songs, facts
@@andyheath5244 STOP LYING...🤣..........THE TRUTH IS,,LL wrote all his songs,,and only had a co-writer on a small few of his total song amount...Stop playing 🤣
@@jamestaylor7119 lol 50 wrote paradise, he even said it on the breakfast club that’s just one 😬 LL a legend but he is not messin with jay lyrically
@@andyheath5244Stop it,,50 cent writing 1 song for a man that has hundreds of songs that he wrote,,is not a big deal...Like I said,,young LL COOL J would make Jay Z look like a joke,,LL COOL J was the personification of a real hip hop artist...in fact,,maybe u need to go watch the movie krush groove,,or go watch on RUclips LL performing im bad at the Apollo theater...like I said,,young LL COOL J would make Jay Z look like a boring plain jane rapper,,meaning that LL is cut from the cloth of the pure hip hop father pioneer creators of the 70s and early 80s,,and Jay Z is not cut from that cloth....Jay Z is simply an average boring rapper with no swag,,nothing like the pioneer father creators from the 70s early 80s,,when 100 percent pure hip hop was practiced and manifested in Newyork...ya dig 🤣
Huge respect for LL. Probably the most impressive run ever in hip hop considering how he was able to put out quality music in multiple eras and survive the golden ages. But Jay is something else bruh 🤣When Jay plays that Million and One remix (just to fuck with the audience), and spits that "Novacane flow, ho you aint know" how the F*CK is LL gonna respond? 🤣Jay's beats, vocals and rhymes are on a different level
If LL’s peak was ten years later, when Hip Hop was getting airplay. He might be in Jay-Z’s position financially. LL was the man in the late 80’s
Facts
But he didnt
LL lost touch with the hiphop community when he went to Hollywood. He tried to reconnect a few times and failed. JayZ kept close to the community. Even with his riches. He also helped others come up. Total opposite of LLs track record in regards to helping others.
@@TheWorkzBeatZ true.. I just think LL wants to be whyte 🤣😊
No. Eminem Sold 50% more than Jay Z and financially, his not near Jay Z. Its Jay's Mindset. If that was the case, financially, he should be up there with Dre, but his not. Both LL and Dre came up in the 80's. He should be there with Will Smith
There finances would come down to one's mindset
Being a better hip hop artist is subjective. Jay Z moves the hip hop culture by being consistent in music, business, marketing and branding. Plus his popularity came and is still present during the world wide information boom.
How
Yup Jay z moved it to be coopted and privatized. Corporations running it and promoting it, while y'all eat it up like its genuine and authentic. And yall think that's moving the culture positively, when in reality hip-hop is non existence in the US. You want proof, go to other countries and you'll see the difference.
@SkyNet General Jay has some classics. It's not about money.
Okay even if that's true. You do realize that he's also a product of the world-changing where big & pac didn't have social media or Beyonce or booze or cologne. You feel me there's a difference. And in those days when they were still alive wasn't no one even talkin about Jay-Z in the top 25 let's be honest. Again we're talking more about the imagery than the lyrics. Jay is in any top 10 discussion for sure. B.i.g. dropped only two albums and he still regarded in any top three conversation to this day. That type of impression on the culture is undeniable! See the difference. plus he was stealing all of B.i.G. lines after he died and that's a violation in hip hop. Plus oh yeah he never loses points for getting totally cooked by Nas and the biggest rap beef of all time? Come on now y'all not being honest with yourself! Beyonce elevated him to this status he now became more marketable now crossed over to average casual pop fans because of them loving her music. And as the money stacked all of a sudden he's the goat? People cant equate who has the most money as the greatest! And then other factors go into it like image style marketability things like that I get it. I'm just saying after he dropped his first few albums which pretty much everyone considers his best and classic albums no one in hip-hop was calling him a goat! And then over the next twenty years he perceives to drop half-a-dozen decent albums and that's enough to elevate him to goat? Sorry I don't see it.nas still releasing fire albums and getting Grammy nods left and right every time he does. No one's got him in the goat Convo why? Cuz he's not walking around with the hottest chick in the game and he's not as marketable but that's not rapping. The whole brand thing is fairly new in the last 10 to 15. Back-in-the-day what made you relevant was only the music! A lot of you might be young and don't remember there was a time when rappers were the farthest thing from marketable. Nobody wanted to attach a rappers name to what they were selling.But they still stay relevant in in the goat conversation how? Just their music that's how!! Music. Music is very rare and special it it's basically a time machine! If you hear a certain song you can transport you back to a certain time and place where you remember listen to a certain song drive around with your homies in your first car well with your girl or whatever it's extremely nostalgic and can make you feel a certain way why you reminisce about where you were the first time you heard the song or how many times you pump the song driving in one of your first whips! That's what music can do. But we start bringing marketability and all this stuff into the mix nobody's thinking about the first time they drank Jay-Z signature vodka or or where you were when Jay-Z madethe Forbes list! Only the music can do that. So if this is a strictly music Convo why does everyone constantly bring up his money and the brand? Because as far as the music goes there's dudes out there like DMX who sold more records than Jay when they released albums the same year. And I'm not making the case with DMX I'm just saying when tell a white people considered great albums came out he wasn't even shown the most albums that year. But then you bringing all the other stuff that I was talking about into the fold and it puts him at another level with people. Jumpits just strictly about the music hes great but not the greatest. I'm not trying to hate I'm just trying to make the discussion a little more valid if we strictly talking about bars.
@@chokethewoke3412 lmao social media didn’t exist until Jay had already retired like 3x. Y’all will do anything to discredit him.
Jay-Z has to drop an album man to destroy these critics put one more classic music
That's what I been saying he gotta shut everybody up
Gay z has no *J* . Gtfoutta hEr3 suckaz
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These 🥷 are mad!! This man has done nothing to deserve this amount of hate. He can’t help that he is the 🐐!!
What about biting niggas lyrics, snaking mf like DMX by un retiring and not putting X album out but put his own to kill DMX buzz? Jay a phony
Not a 🐐 but a 🐫
Jay z is not the goat. There are many better mc's
@@marcorivera6972 not music catalog wise it ain't
That his opinion get out your feelings 😂😂
Its very simple, Jay embodied the dream with the lifestyle to most people across the board. Also Jay's rise came at the same time Hip Hop music was converting into pop culture and taking over the music industry in a whole. LL embodied being one of the pioneer rappers/actors. Both great in there own right. Both icons/legends in Hip Hop music.
Jay's came in the game as a hustler. He has proven to be a real hustler that transitioned into corporate. He's living his lyrics.
He came in the game wearing Hawaiian shirts FOH hustler you are a joke
Cut it out
J a snake 🐍👈😈
🤣🤣🤣 good one
@@j2323j And? He was in the streets dealing drugs. You are too focused on outward appearances.
This channel is OBSESSED with Jay z god damn lol
It's starting to seem that way
So what‘s the Problem?
first it was the "Art of Pac." Then it became the "Art of Biggie." and now "the art of Jay-Z." Not sure where Art is gonna go next to keep his same rotation of bum ass rappers/groupies talking.
Hov is bout to release a fire album. Watch him word play the name Art Of The Dialogue. 🤣😭😭...People need to stop sleeping on Hov. Hov is a monster MC he been in Top 5 conversations since the 90s way before Beyoncé.
Yeah a joint album with Beyonce ol
#peace hey ppl hate what they ain't´\ツ/`
I love both rappers, but Jay-Z is on a different level musically. Let's be real here. I don't know how anyone can front on the stuff Jay was dropping from like Vol 1 to Blueprint. Some of the best rap records you've ever heard in your life. Real cutting edge sh*t. "Money Cash Hoes." LL don't have nothing like that! "U Don't Know". "It's Alright." "Big Pimpin". "Come and Get Me." "Dynasty Intro". "Heart of the City." "Jigga My Nigga." "Put Your Hands Up." These songs are CRAZY.
Nah bro. This is candy pop shit. It is not the best shit ever. He is not on a different level musically. Jay sold his own guys out to the Jews and that's when he took off because like Drake and Beyonce, he has The Machine behind him.
Dmx Tupac Biggie Snoop LL Cool J moat of those artist had/have the machine behind them.. as far as him selling out that might be true I understand you with that but most of the artist have it at some point
He stole snoop whole verse to make jigga song is ok dude
I don't care about discography this This real HipHop talk! L will Lyrically wash J and that's a fact!💯
@@vincepreston9304 ion know about that but LL doesn't get the credit he deserves
It’s actually the music in my opinion. His longevity is nothing to sneeze at. And the fact that he competes at a high level lyrically at 50+ years of age. No one other than Nas has done that
It's just the era they became popular. For being the same age , Jay peaked at the right time when Hip Hop went mainstream. LL is pure Hip Hop, he doesn't fit in the current format
I think it’s how he carries himself. When you move around and elevate completely unbothered by peons, it bothers some folks.
Facts
Facts
TRU
Yay let's punch down on those poor people. Curious, y'al millionaires andl billionaires? If not, then your helping punch down on people just like you.
1000
Aside from his genius rap lyrics and his association with Biggie I'd say it's because Jay-Z actually lives what he raps about and he's always been an overachiever, he's a do-er not just a talker. Then there's his history of being a drug dealer who beat the system, a kid from Marcy projects who made it out and became a billionaire. His winning streak just makes it seem like he can't lose and that adds a level of mystique to him.
Even when he gives a compliment, he has to hate!
The same man that shook his hand and took pictures with him at the grammy's then get on the net and pump fake
Nah he just from New York 😂
@@ChadStarTaylorTV great point!
LL would beat J in a versus!!!LL is the first MC (rapper) with his own (gym)shoe!!! Somebody better put some respect on LL cool J’s name Dammit!!!
LL never had a gym shoe, and Run-DMC was the 1st rappers to have a sneaker. Nice name.
LL would definitely beat Jay Z in a versus. For starters Jay Z's voice is annoying as hell.
What's that gotta do with a versus?
😂😂 bumped your Head
No sir...in 2023 jayz and llc cool j's catalog is not the same
Basically, he's saying that Jay is popular because of his status...not the music. Everything is about a popularity contest on down to the everyday worker.
Jay dope.. Butt L L catalog is not a joke..
DmX and 50 Cent Nas are better
@@KiLLuMaNti1993than LL? I agree
It's not he got some shit lol
@@KiLLuMaNti1993 But they didn't marry someone. That is the key. Couples get more heat.
Jay has nothing for LL’s first two albums alone! I need a beat , I can’t live without my radio, Rock the bells and I’m bad?!! Jay has nothing for that
*The thing you are overlooking about a ‘Verzuz’ between LL & Jay-💤 is that they would BOTH have to get on that stage!!! LL destroys him on the stage/live aspect ALONE! Why do you think the Grammys took the performance of that boring ass 4 minute verse from off the stage, in front of the live audience & put him in an alley & shit!* #YouAintFoolingMe ☝🏾
U aint lyin. Faxxx!
Muscles and six pacs dont move hiphop crowds
LL and Jay both have massive catalogues. I'd personally go with LL in a Verzuz though. To me he embodies the essence of true hip hop, especially with his earlier releases. Most people only know him for his commercial hits, but he has some of the most hardcore and grimy album cuts that would give Jay a run for his money. I think LL has better stage presence too. That helps if he actually has to perform his records. On the other hand, I think Jay is using his money to make the media push this narrative that him and his wife are the greatest at what they do. Think about it. They both were ranked high on Billboard and Rolling Stone lists before the people that paved the way for them and did more respectable things in music. I truly believe Jay had something to do with Michael Jackson being ranked #86 on the Rolling Stone list. He always says his wife is better than MJ. See. He's always trying to push a narrative. He's a strategic guy.
There is no hardcore cut by LL that can compare to Jay's "Where I'm From." Not a single one. Or "Money Cash Hoes." And I heard "4 3 2 1" in real time. I love L. Bought some of his albums. But you're setting him up to fail LOL.
He controls the media
@@tochiRTA Okay that's YOUR opinion. Explain the Mama Said Knock You Out album then
@@TheBulletzgottishow20 I believe it for sure
Idk man but Jay Z has some banging songs. From mixtapes, to albums, to features, party joints and street shit. Take away all his buisness ventures Jay z has dope music and rhymes
Thank you!
Even though LL been on TV, Jay-Z has been relevant longer in music. I think Jay's image people relate to more as well...
Jay rapped & worked his ass off like Drake doing 25 years later, no reason to hate him💯on top of he's lyrical...
Outside of the music. If Jay-Z’s accolades outside of the songs pushes Jay-Z to #1 I feel like LL is right up the with him. Jay’s are just more current and in our face. At the time when LL was doing his thing I definitely feel they are one of the same outside the music. The difference is one paved the way for the other. “LL did that so hopefully Hov wouldn’t have to do that” lol
"It's Something About Jay-Z That Puts Him At The Top Spot"
How Dare You Sir! That "something" happens to be Jay-Z hair, and that hair took Jay to new heights that's why he's on top, and LL Cool J being bald, didn't STAND a chance.
Lol
(WOO!) That’s rare, nigga (WOO!) Ric Flair, nigga
(WOO!) THE POWER'S IN MY HAIR, NIGGA
(WOO!) I give this beat the chair, nigga "
a line from Jay Zs first verse on "Moment of clarity" actually help me see my relationship with my father different.
"pops, I forgive you for all the shit I lived threw, it wasn't all ya fault homie, you got caught"
that made me look at it from another angle and heal from his absence early on in my life.
He’s a hustler, motivates other people to hustle harder luv from brooknam
When you talkin hustling the first first person that comes to mind is 50 cent not Jay
@@tebogomaphephe3470 he just told you the first name he think of lol
Jay Z music is incredible. Especially his early work
Those in my life time albums basically his first 5 albums
For me LlcoolJ was the greatest. But I felt like Jay Z (and Pac) took the crown
The World is fascinated by MONEY. & Jay Z is the best at that “Money Talk” nobody can touch HOV when it comes to rapping about doe. So 🤷🏽♂️ thats y he ranked #1
It’s the content and substance he brings. “I’m not a business man im a business man”. Tells you about recognizing yourself as the brand.
I agree. I definitely don’t think he’d be where he is without being with Beyoncé. However I don’t feel like she’d be where she is without him either so idk
That’s right ppl forget her career didn’t take off until that Jay Z co sign
in the beginning them being together was giving off "business relationship" to me. like they were just together to boost each other's careers
That man is where he is at because of himself he was Already a household nake her being with him helped her
He's a top MASON.
Among Black rappers.......
Period! Thats all it is.
@Yo Mama’s A Funky Hoe! Unlike lowlevel-masons, he doesn't go to a local lodge. He goes to Hollywood orchestraed rituals, etc.
He said he was amazing...
Not that he was a Mason...
I defintiely agree with Melle Mel on this one. I'm still not impressed by Jay-Z musically. But the masses LOVE him.
Same here. Never bought into the hype.
Damn Jay got Mel up there tongue tied 😳 stuttering and shit 🤣. Everyone else he was direct and straight to the point but he can't seem to put his finger on what it is for Jay lol 🤷♂️😂
Did you watch the hole think that's how he talks STUPID
fr dude went in on Eminem "ITS CUZ HE'S WHITE!!" wit his full chest, now when's he speaking on Jay he stumbling and shit lmaoooo
because Jay-Z is the real deal. When you start talking about someone that's arguably the greatest rapper ever and an easy top 5 contender, you're gonna start stumbling and fumbling when thinking of critiques for him/her.
Lyrically LL is better hard to argue there but Jay-Z's music catalog looks better .
Jay spit some the most complex verses of all time. Sometimes you have go back years later to catch the metaphor. But the real icing on the cake was when everyone found out he came up with those verses in 10 mins and laid them down in ONE TAKE🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯!!! All that plus his street cred and being renowned business man completely separate from music, is what truly gives him God like status.
He used To Many other people verses
He’s the biggest bitter he takes everyone else’s verses dude is a fraud
Must be some of the ones he stole. He's got the most basic rhymes.
@@tornadoesbigo CRY HARDER!
@@_nom_ KEEP CRYING!
its cause he uses the 48 laws to full effect !
Facts.
Jay & LL are in my top5!! It’s so many great rappers. I don’t have PAC as my number 1. But I have to be truthful if your going by the streets 2pac has had the biggest impact out of everybody . JayZ career started slow & he just kept grinding to the top spot .
Pacs career started slow too so thats just your bias talking
LL put on a much better stage show more people will sing LL COOL J's songs word for word
People really need to Google Jay's discography....that shit ain't normal
LL Cool J is the Micheal Jordan/Denzel Washington of rap. 🐐
😂
Jigga*
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First of all Jay Z is highly intelligent you will be surprised how far that takes you
No, Jay-Z's connections with the elites took him far. In the entertainment industry, who you know (and what you're willing to do) matters the most.
@@suave_d Why would you try to downplay someone’s intelligence? Perhaps, because you aren’t as intelligent as them.
So is LL are you Serious
he has a 1 of 1 resume that is the 1st to hit a Billi, & have lyricist-relevancy after a 30 year existence i.e. Jordan, Lebron, Brady, Mayweather etc.
I’m curious how many of these OG’s and comment boys actually listen to Jay-Z lyrics. They try to make it seem like he’s just a popular rapper loved by New Yorkers And I’m like yo.. do y’all actually hear his words??
It's because... "He got the KEYS!!" 😅
Jay must have an album about to drop
I hope
#Rollout
That bamma is trash now lol. Cats get hype off the smallest shit he say. You all bought into it smh 🤦🏾♂️
He definitely don't need promotion.
Exactly
Queens versus Brooklyn. An endless war of the New York 🗽 boroughs.
Real simple. Longevity. Plus Jay became more relatable to everyone than LL. Jay looks like a regular dude while LL looked like an action figure. Both were bragadocius but to a regular person, Jay's life looks more attainable to regular people.
Who everyone ❓ I don't like it his music 🤨
No way Jay-Z's life as a billionaire businessman is more attainable than going to the gym lol. But you'r right, Jay-Z as an ugly guy who loves money is more universal than a buff guy who gets laid 24/7.
Jay Z…never heard of her? But I do know this…Jay Z couldn’t hold LL’s suite case .
His hustle n work ethic keeps him number 1 u see him get bigger every year he’s constantly climbing up and people love to see that especially coming from the pjs having nothing
Jay z had the influence over the culture dressing different he was probably the first rappers on that "Boss talk" "Was born to dictate,never follow orders Dickface,getcha shit straight fucka this is Big Jay"!!!! Way before Rick Ross,being the" biggest boss thus far" and Slim Thug being a "Boss Hog"💯🎶👌🏽
it was his ability to attach himself to other folks wave in order to stay relevant. And then there is definitely his attachment to Beyonce and her loyal fanatical fans!
Who wave did he attach himself to?
Beyonce fans are not buying Jay's music unless it's the collaborations he has with Beyonce.
Every rapper attaches himself to something or someone
@@JB-bw8nj the question is who and what wave didn't he? Waves, bars, lyrics, songs- he's the king of biting. And it wouldn't be as bad if he spoke to it as if he was paying homage or something. Jay Z benefitted by his audience not knowing any better- they blindly bought into his image without asking one question. Beyonce has done the same same but she sings so it's somewhat different but same principle- which more than likely has something to do with her husbands influence or inspiration in the practice. Here's a hint: Limp Bisquit with the crossover song for numbers, then right after Pac and Biggie's passing- He came out with a song using Biggie's Bars and then he came out with a song biting the entire concept and lyrics to Pac's concept song Me and my girlfriend a la Bonnie and Clyde. The rest is the history of jacking.
@@mhvichy “I say a BIG verse, I’m only big’in up my brotha”. He’s literally paid homage to people like Biggie in many of his songs. Y’all don’t listen to him so you wouldn’t even know anyways
Jay-Z definitely didn't strike a chord he just came in the game when all of the Giants had left 'Tupac and Biggie"and we were thirsting for something from the era
Jay outshine all the boss of hip hop Tupac would of been on Roc Nation if alive just give credit Air was born Brooklyn so was hov
BS
Nah Jay Z put out his first album Reasonable Doubt while Pac and Biggie were both still here. Nowadays it’s called a classic but back then it was just a solid release that was not poppin like that. Pac n Big were gone when Jay put is second album out and he still ain’t pop off like that. It was his third album, 1998’s Vol 2 Hard Knock Life that made him finally pop off thanks to that Annie Sample on the title track and the DMX feature on Money Cash Hoes. From there on Jay perfected the art of capitalizing on what’s hot at the moment and gave the masses what they wanna hear and that’s what kept him on top for the next several years.
Tupac and biggie were obviously not the brightest giants if they got taken out so easily
@Exit 17 just like Martin and Malcom right..
Another 1 lol 😆 🤦🏿♂️. The art of Jigga Man Jay-Z part 55
This Jay-Z slander has to be countered. Ain't no way were gonna act like Jay-Z's music hasnt impacted the game
Omg... This proves that when you're number one you get the most hate!! The heat that Jay z gets proves he's number one case closed
Nobody comes close to Pac and Mel inspired us all with the message but when talk about Hip Hop real Hip Hop you got put Pac at #1
I put KRS 1 first. Knowledge Reigns Supreme.
@@videoexplosionclassicmusic8892 naw hell naw 2pac. Ain't none laid the foundation down and did with realness on the mic and off the mic. KRS One in my Hip Hop Rushmore. The real Hip Hop Rushmore is:
2pac
KRS One
Guru
Scarface
Queen Latifah. I want put MC Lyte as well
Jay z musically is cool but like I said they credit more for his business than music which is weird he never get the credit as a musician his impact musically is small compared to a 2pac, Eminem, or other legendary hip hop artist globally
His business was selling out. He is a gate keeper placed in that position that he's in by those who are really in charge.
#peace he won't with those 2 being-that 1 is a popular-rapper that is revered more for his exterior after Transition vs when he was here & the other as a popular-lyricist for the same "shock-value" reason
@Jahnell Anthony Parkinson you didn’t get what I said most people look and credit jay z as a billionaire and his business ventures and his relationship with Beyoncé more than his music. He still one of the greats but it don’t get mention as much as those I stated before.
@@pay_it_forward_franklin4469pac overachieved for somebody who died at 25 and didn’t get to have a full career. Eminem did drop 3 classics and put on D12 Obie Trice 50 cent and g unit he made his mark early on.
@@jalenh4866he died broke
Mama Said Knock You Out ,Headsprung ,Rock The Bells ,Around The Way Girl ,Doin' It ,I Need Love ,Going Back to Cali , I'm Bad ,4,3,2,1 ,I Shot Ya ,Phenomenon ,I Can't Live Without My Radio ,Big Ole Butt ,Jack The Ripper ,Love U Better ,Loungin’ ,Boomin’ System ,I’m That Type of Guy ,Dear Yvette , Back Seat Of My Jeep , Pink Cookies
Goat 🔥
Jay Z knows the power of the subconscious mind. He told you, he creates his own luck. He made you believe he’s the best by how he casually told you. He knows how to manifest anything. Even the baddest chick in the game.
Manifest or be a Freemason and use black magic lol
Hip hop fans gotta be the dumbest/most gullible fan base of all genres. What type of stupid shit did you just write?
You think Jay-Z is Charles Xavier or something?
@@RealFuckingReviews haha folks be out here soulless talkin like androids
@@bbr1133 that’s what happens when you lack proper knowledge of yourself …goofy!
I'm with
Cool James
jayz has the "IT" factor, som people have it some people dont but he took it to another level and set a high bar for us...its deeper than rap
Jay Z has been stamped by the media if he had the it factor he would have been able to bang with Pac and Biggie in Their prime he couldn’t
So LL DIDN'T take it to another level
@@nuttabutter1963 LL was that bull… Jay never reached LL height as a MC
@@bouche8503Jay is a better lyricist, MC, hitmaker, album maker, artist than LL I’m sorry. Jay a global pop icon
@@ArmLegLegArmHead47 Jay Z never sold 10 million on any album lol Jay Z only a icon to low iq inner city people
Jayzs advantage is that hes associated ( and some say responsible) for other large brands that contribute to hiphop .. Rihanna,Kanye, and state prop are seen as products of jayzs success
I didn’t really bump Jay Z until hard knock 2, but LL bigger and deffer had a bigger impact bc he had west coast love bc of bobcat on the beats, not to mention I need love basically laying the foundation for a rap love song in my opinion.
Grammy Family freestyle, Where I’m From, Imaginary Players, Can I Live, Politics As Usual, What More Can I Say, In My lifetime remix.. I can go on and on
Jayz doesn’t really have any bad albums not all are classic but good and or great bodies of work ❤❤❤❤>>>>> I never took ll too serious beacuse of all his love records but his is hip hop royalty also
Magna carta holy grail was absolute garbage
True LL makes great music but got too many soft ❤love radio songs
Jay n my top 5 he definitely had a garbage album the life and times Shawn Carter was trash
He doesn’t have any bad albums but Kingdom Come is mid and Magna Carta wasn’t great either
He got bad albums holy grail,kingdom come,444 was mid ,BP 2
Love Melle Mel’s input on hip hop history and culture. He has the clout and his legendary status in hip hop makes his words law.
LL IS THEE 🐐 HANDS DOWN ‼️ HE CREATED THE TERM AND NO ONE ARGUED. PERIOD
I Agree. I have Wayne as the greatest rapper of all-time but Jay-Z is considered the goat to a lot of people bcuz of his music, being married to Beyoncé, being a Billionaire (his businesses), and not having social media. Kinda how Michael Jordan is mysterious and so when you see them you’re in awe.
Wayne ? ... I RESPECTFULLY DON'T RESPECT YOUR OPINION ON THAT ONE LMAO...
Jay is one of Wayne's favorites
#peace Hey but Wayne didn't pen everything as a lyricist. I have Wayne 5th on the #t5doarapperswithwriters list
@@pay_it_forward_franklin4469 he got that from Jay
@@abc876#peace yea #reff: Jay-Z - "Dirt off your shoulders" #sidebar what Wayne should've did was veggie-baked that G Rap poket that Hov was in on that trak instead of focusing on reverse-engineering the ending for his personal market-campaign that he conceded along with ghostwriting from Gillie on his resume, but I'm talking Hip-Hop, & he turned out to be a rapper instead of an Emcee ⏩ look at this sh*t today. Look at the names for both rap, & Hip-Hop:
rap:
- 🔥
- 🐐
- "classic"
- "vibe"
- "new-generation"
Hip-Hop:
- "out-dated"
- "old"
- "dusty"
- "not-relatable"
- "old-generation"
#imo´\ツ/` #respektfully
Mankind has a serious issue with seeing things from a different perspective. Mel is correct
Jay is the most consistent imo. I know what I'm getting from him every time.
I agree, from 1996 - 2003, he put out hit albums, features and soundtracks for 8 years straight. The man was consistent and that separated him from any other artist.
Jay z has a light on him. Some people are born to be super stars. They don't have to be the most talented or best-looking. Romeo Santos is not the best singer, but he is the king of Bachata.
People wouldn't give a damn about jay z if he wasn't as wealthy as he is. Been saying this. Nas destroyed him and he steals lines
You got it backwards my boy. Jay wouldn't be as wealthy as he is if nobody gave a damn about him. You don't get that rich on accident.
@@NotoriousSSV facts. He worked his way up there and is a top 10 rapper
@@NotoriousSSV would he be seen as everyone's number 1 rapper if he wasn't a billionaire? Hell no
@@SuperSavageSpirit Yes. One has nothing to do with the other. He put out classic and timeless material before he became a billionaire. His musical accolades speak for themselves. For some reason yall are obsessed with that mans money when we talking about music.
It’s quoting lines and Nas has quoted lines before too lol
Maybe not as much as Jay but he has done it
Jay is PURE evidence that "mainstream rap" is just a popularity contest in where casual listeners just purchase & support certain artists just to "fit in".
If that was the case there wouldn’t be so many Jay-Z haters. Go and actually listen to his music. More growth than any other artist mainstream artist by far.
Jay has too many haters for this to be true. A lot of people don't like him without even really listening to his music.
@@sebastienc.2257 But i lived in NYC for decades. & many kids played the ishh out of his music aswell as Wu-Tang, Fugees, etc. As soon as the south became popular. They jumped in the Lil Wayne, Rick Ross, bandwagon. & then Trap rappers. Its all a "what's in" cycle.
LL baby!
To me it comes down to eras. LL was the man in his day. Subject matter an flow changed in hiphop. It would be a hellava battle, Jz vs LL. Jz bars just on a different level to me. An Jz isn't even my favorite rapper, Pac is. but i gotta give J his props. It hasn't nuthn to do with Beyonce. As a matter of fact i never even think of her when it comes to his lyricism.
I am grateful Melle Mel has hit the nail on the head. The reason why people always say JayZ is #1 is because of his success apart from the music itself.
But my question has always been, we are talking about the music here, the music only. But hey people will bend any rule to make Jay fit in. So they say he has multiple classics (in my book he has only 2 HipHop classics - Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint). They will say he lived his lyrics (dude, 50, Eminem and a lot of these cats also lived their lyrics). Then they'll say this that and the third but overall we all know that Jay always gets a pass because he is extremely successful and powerful and because he is married to Beyonce.
Let's not get it confused people. Jay is extremely talented and he should be on anyone's Top 10 but he is not the #1 rapper. Trying to say someone is #1 is quite hard because it depends on a number of factors and the era also plays a role in this
There really isn't a number one because it's subjective diffraction styles different eras most of what you said you articulated it well those are literally his best two albums you hit the nail on the head but being getting with her helped her in the beginning
Black album, RD, BP 1 are classics
Man cut it out LL COOL J is a super legend period!but he can’t do nothing with HOV and we all know that ,like it’s time to stop the crazy talk that’s been going on about this man’s work in that rap game.simply put ,that fact of the matter is HOV did it better and smarter than all the rest … LIVE WITH IT!
@@ronnellking6654 another one who doesn't understand anything I wrote but feels the need to comment emotionally because whatever he understands from what I said doesn't seem to be in consonance with what he has been fed all these years
@@thecunninlynguist this the common lie y'all have been fed over the years, Black Album ain't no HipHop classic, RD and BP are. People keep trying to push this narrative about The Black Album because of the song 99 Problems. 99 Problems is a HipHop classic song but the entire Black Album is simply not a classic HipHop album. it is a great album, I would consider it to be #4 after RD, Blueprint and Vol 1.
*Yeah Jay-Z has something EXTRA beyond the music… it’s called POLITICS!!!*
Great interview!!!Mel speaks %100 facts
Pac and Big died, he ascended with hard knock life, rode the pop wave into the 2000s. Blueprint and Takeover elevated him higher, then cultural impact with Rocawear, movies, Beyonce. But it's John Meneilley, who helped Jay ascend to "above everyone" status
I mean we’re basing it on rap career and rapping ability . Jay z deserves to be top 3-5. Beyoncé doesn’t add anything to jay career apart from crazy in love and drunk in love . Which I barely listen to . His catalogue is one of the best in hip hop . Undeniable classics . Crazy lyricist .
Jay Z is a fraud he never lived the lifestyle he was rapping about he stole Big L style and flow and also stole Biggies rhymes I don’t know he got Beyoncé I guess money talks
yALL HYPNOTIZED BY HIS SUCESSS U SMALL MINDS
@@althrillatdk2665 this is such a dumb comment
“We’re”? Nah. Maybe you. There are other people that clearly base it on other shit
@@animebrospodcast4577 a lot of jay z haters are dumb lol
Jay Z never phased me like that. Most people look up to him because he's rich. Not enough for me though. Rakim and Busta Rhymes are what an MC should be striving for IMO...
Only people like you always bring up his money. I could care less how much money someone has if I'm not feeling their music.
The reason why jayz is on top is because y’all haters spend so much time talking about him. Lol I mean every other video is talking about jayz. 😂😂😂😂 y’all don’t even talk about your favorite rappers cause y’all got a video talking about better than jayz. And it only gives jay more exposure, more relevancy, more power. Lol companies aren’t look at positive engagement on artist they look at how many clicks and views so even when y’all speak negative on jayz he still get the engagement from the public. Lol that’s why I laugh when y’all say jayz not influential y’all kiss Kanye west ass to me more than jayz
Facts
Jay out here getting bags from search engines
He get more views mentioning Jay-Z than any other rapper
He's killing my idols... Thank you Melle Mel 👁️
That something is consistency and more importantly valuing quality over quantity. Jay has damn near a flawless catalogue with multiple classics (at least 3).
I believe as Jay grew older and matured he understood that his core audience is also growing older and maturing and ultimately his music would have to mature as well. I think thats why Jays fanbase is so loyal and why he has been able to maintain his consistency. I also believe thats why guys like 50, Nelly, Ja and many others weren't able obtain that type of consistency musically. 50 is a prime example. Its hard to continue talking about shooting up the block or "shorty wanna twerk that merk that" and then do red carpet interviews with the Gweneth Paltrows of the world. That's not going to resonate with the younger audience and it not going to resonate with your core audience who would have grown past that phase.
That's the thing I appreciate about Jay, is that his music throughout his career always accurately portrayed the phase of life he is in.
If we are talking all hip hop classics, I would say he has just 2: the blueprint and reasonable doubt.
The rest are just really good albums and not classics but in this era the word classic gets thrown around alot.
@@jkbzz I got Reasonable Doubt, Blue Print, Black Album and I really want to say Vol. 1 but that "I What Girls Like" track with Kim and Puff was horrible.
Agree 100%. I wish we could all appreciate his greatness and consistency as an artist. I like Melle Mel but he's reaching. If it was easy anybody would do what Jay Z, Nas, Eminem has done. And a lot people forget the fact Jay Z started in the late 80s with Jaz-O!
@@gha7376 the black album might be a JayZ classic, I don't in all honesty consider it to be a classic hip hop album. It's a very good album, but it is not a classic. In fact, in Jay's discography, I have Vol 1 ahead of The Black Album
@@DavidJohnson-ym4qw this is my problem with folks like you, you take what the man is saying and twist it into something else.
The main bone of what Melle Mel is saying is really simple, What has Eminem done that makes him #5? What has Kendrick done that makes him #2? Why aren't the pioneers of this shit rated higher? Why the fuck is Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne and Drake rated higher than KRS 1, LL Cool J and Rakim?
If these questions don't strike you as odd, as a HipHop fan, then you don't know shit about shit really.
There's a few things that I feel that make a lot of people gravitate towards Jay-Z. First I think a lot people feel Jay-Z come up story is relatable. Single parent household, growing up in a certain environment, trying to get out that environment. Second I feel like aside from Snoop Jay-Z is the few older artist who embraces the new generation. People like Melle Mel are looked at more as "old heads" opposed to "ogs". And last when you hear rapper's like 21 savage talk about how Jay paid to get him out of jail and him not being on roc nation or lil baby talk about how Jay walked with him and other qc members while Beyonce walked with security or him inviting asap ferg over to just chop it up speaks volumes.
You sure wrote a bunch to say a lot of nothing. Jay being relatable? Lmao boy please. Dude is is a phony, a faker, a fraudster, but most of all is that he is a biter! Gtfoh and go gobble Jay's dick
@@darthwicket So I'm guessing you grew up with Jay?
@@darthwicket FOH troll
Jay-Z if we strip down the business and wife image and then you look at his rap style. His lyrics are like a treasure hunt because of his mastery of poetry devices. People who aren't fans just never paid attention well in the poetry segment of English because if you did you'd realize he's not just up there in Rap lyrics but also with all the great poet scholars 😂. Enough on him.
LL has stage presence, blaze battle mastery, knows when to be cool, serenade the ladies and knows when to go hard for the rough heads. In your face metaphors and a master visual storyteller.
These two would be like Iron Man vs Batman 😂 if you take away their outside accolades.
" Boy, you must be off your rocker
If you think you'll make it off the strip before they 'Pac ya
Nigga, you gotta be psychotic or
Mixing something potent with your Vodka
It takes a lot to shock us
But you being so prosperous is preposterous
( HOW COULD THIS NAPPY-HEADED BOY FROM OUT THE PROJECTS
BE THE APPLE OF AMERICA'S OBSESSION? )
You totally disconnected with reality
Don't believe in dreams
Since when did black men become kings? "
You have no idea, yeah
The meaning to what I say
And you have no idea
Of how I got this way
Now hear my dreams
And by the time you wake
I'll look down from the clouds
See I'm on my way
Good take on it..I can appreciate this comment.
Jay z's voice is annoying as hell he got stuck in puberty and never developed. That ruins delivery. He is overated
@@marcorivera6972 you're entitled to your opinion on the voice aspect. Objective - I'm not listening for a guys voice. But the skill set of the word play, how they work the beat, did the topic match the production. He writes his own material. He also can rap to any type beat from any genre. Most are limited.
Facts he is a lyricacist
Hov been spittin crack for like 25 years. He still nice
Jay got a way better pen game an freestyle over ll ll was and is an abc rapper
Mystique is what it is, even with NaS, they balance how much they give you as an artist.
LL Cool J all the way up to the universe
GAYS LIKE GAYZ GOT EACH OTHERS BACKS (NO PUN INTENDED!!)..