16:00 -- so weird that Cloak of Flames is worded as damaging *"LAND"* units, when for *ALL* other skills/items that have targets or AoE, it's about *"GROUND"* damage... .
[Spoilers ahead] Similarly to the previous bo3, it's funny that the best and closest game was the one Happy won. The first two were weird because Lyn just caught him by surprise and he couldn't recover and the fourth was textbook mass Wyvern strat (if you look at the items at 47:48 Lyn's heroes barely have anything because he just didn't need them) where Happy just couldn't get his heroes to such levels to defeat the air waves on their own. On the other hand, the third game was super interesting because it saw Happy expand immediately, Lyn go for Blade + TC with Raiders and Walkers so totally different from the others and it had some key moments that were just great. Happy was ahead at the start but Lyn destroying the Halls set him back a lot, then when he attacked and destroyed the Burrows he recovered (the failed attack by Lyn at Happy's expo also helped) but those encounters where Lyn killed both Lich + DK and when Lich and Blade died at the same time were amazing. The first time I watched it I actually wasn't sure who had forfeited because while Undead had the larger army Lyn was the only one mining so that final push was clutch. I'm sure if I rewatched it I'd find more stuff I missed because damn that was the highest level play for this particular matchup.
Look how HAPPY checked top side and then went straight to expansion. And Lyn checked right side and top side and probably realise that his not going to expand soon.
The Potion of Lesser Invulnerability for 7 sec, Potion of [Moderate] Invulnerability for 15 sec, and Potion of -Greater Invulnerability- Divinity for 25 sec.
Idk about other matchups but Orc vs Undead (at this level) feels like nothing you can throw at the Ud is gonna necessarily be strong enough as long as Undead keeps scouting It's not even the fact that Ud can expand but probably because Orc needs lots of hero levels in order to contest the Ud in conjunction with the fact that Ud has more presence on the map early on I feel like Undead's fight on 2 heroes are easier/more consistent and I would imagine that statue is the better out of combat sustain than SH + pots So basically Undead is better because they have many more abusive things including agency, burst, sustain, ability to early expand, while Orc has a vague promise of an arguably stronger 3 heroes combo, Raiders that get sniped, Hex (the efficacy of which is highly variable), and a highly uncertain promise of a timing attack with units that get sniped as well (Berserks or Wyverns) Maybe I'm just overreacting to the Blade being bad but I'm equally non sure if Ud seemingly having as much agency in a matchup is a-ok
This is true. But don't say that at the Back2WC channel or Neo and Remo will be ban you. Happened to me. They both play Undead, and Neo in particular wants to swallow the sperm of Happy.
Hey Grub, sorry not related to wc3. What is a good place to live in NL if I'm a foreigner and know only English. I also have a remote job if that matters.
I think the idea is that keeping to two heroes levels them farther, with the stats to survive. 3 heroes spread the exp thinner, and make for 50% more target options
I know I am a super bad and an eternal noob and that hero focus is supposed to be bad and lame, but to me heros like dk are almost always a priority target for focusing fire cause he can heal and buff the rest of undeads for too long but no one can help him, I am often surprise about how much you pros are just ignoring heros untill the fights are almost over, I really did like seeing that dk just melt so fast! :D
They usually just go for the heroes if they're sure to kill or if harrassing the hero is beneficial. Heroes are usually harder to kill and takes more time to kill. That time will certainly be used the opponent to kill alot of your units that is easier to kill. And most of the time the hero being chased can just tp/invul away.
My guess is that even if cs is better damage, acid bomb is cheaper and goes well with dk orb. Plus natural AA auto attack, and rage as an escape tool. I would think that sleep would help counter hex, or even better stop bats mid kaboom, but it looks like Happy disagrees
First ive seen the live sleepy dog cam, I appreciate wholeheartedly. (Keep up the good work, enjoying your content and learning how to play a game I used to love back in the day.)
Aint seen this yet, downloading for bed time, so deliberately controlling my eyes to avoid the comments below. BUT PLEASE GOD don't let Happy come back and win the entire series! I see the length (50m) and I AM SCARED! Want Orc to win so bad! Peace and love!
interesting lyn kept attacking his base while Happy walks cross map to creep -- even though lyn has the worse heros and later goldmine AND is closer to the right side of the map
Happy must be ill these days or something, because that was some *POOR* play by him, *_even disregarding_** the standard imbalance of the matchup that heavily favors Orc !!* Just... subpar plays, honestly, in that last game -- don't even have to explain them... Stupid hero losses, missed opportunities, allowing creep steals etc... Shame, because he started off that TR game *WELL !!* ... but then *very SUDDENLY degenerated into poorness !! :O* P.S. I felt like Lyn could have actually taken this 3-0 *EASILY* if only he had had just a bit more *CRIT LUCK* in that Lost Temple game !! :O .
13:35 happys army is pathetic. its a bunch of unupgraded ghouls. friends with no friends. no burrow. no attack. no armour. he has no orb. no items. meanwhile,..Lynn's packing "tauren Pop" and blade master "badness..." Maybe it's time for Zoloft.
grubby might i suggest for videos like this, where you're casting BO5 matches, you upload the second video as like an hour long, even if the last 40 minutes are a black screen? The reason for this is that when Lyn is 2-0, and the second video is 50 minutes long, it's spoiled from video length alone that Lyn is going to lose game 1. Sometimes depending on these circumstances it's also spoiled who wins the series entirely. This could be avoided by throwing a bunch of filler/empty content at the end of the video to fake out viewers. I know it might take a bit longer to upload, but i'd appreciate it, not sure if others feels the same though.
I love casting from grubby
its so awesome to have these top tier games with casting from grubby. never would have thought this would have come full circle years later
Sending love from the US! Appreciate the years of [LEGENDARY] content!
30:43
Grubby: "Lets occlude the map in fog of war and begin"
Peon : " Oki-doki"
You should get a custom made t-shirt with a print of an angry nerd waving his fist and saying: "pick up the tome!"
40:05 Grubby calling me out. I saw a tome and I couldn't focus.
Damn I think Lyn could have won that Lost Temple
Thanks for the detailed casting, super nice to get those insights.
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11 minutes in and one of the BEST commentaries you’ve provided as of late ! ❤❤thanks!!
Wyverns tier A for sure
16:00 -- so weird that Cloak of Flames is worded as damaging *"LAND"* units, when for *ALL* other skills/items that have targets or AoE, it's about *"GROUND"* damage...
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Congratulations to the winner, super deserved. Both the Micro and Macro gameplay were interesting and entertaining.
[Spoilers ahead] Similarly to the previous bo3, it's funny that the best and closest game was the one Happy won. The first two were weird because Lyn just caught him by surprise and he couldn't recover and the fourth was textbook mass Wyvern strat (if you look at the items at 47:48 Lyn's heroes barely have anything because he just didn't need them) where Happy just couldn't get his heroes to such levels to defeat the air waves on their own.
On the other hand, the third game was super interesting because it saw Happy expand immediately, Lyn go for Blade + TC with Raiders and Walkers so totally different from the others and it had some key moments that were just great. Happy was ahead at the start but Lyn destroying the Halls set him back a lot, then when he attacked and destroyed the Burrows he recovered (the failed attack by Lyn at Happy's expo also helped) but those encounters where Lyn killed both Lich + DK and when Lich and Blade died at the same time were amazing. The first time I watched it I actually wasn't sure who had forfeited because while Undead had the larger army Lyn was the only one mining so that final push was clutch. I'm sure if I rewatched it I'd find more stuff I missed because damn that was the highest level play for this particular matchup.
2:44 - I see what you did there!
Look how HAPPY checked top side and then went straight to expansion. And Lyn checked right side and top side and probably realise that his not going to expand soon.
Link to first 2 parts not in description
Amazing how different (and in depth) the commentary is by Grubby
Having Fortirude and Lynn sometimes winning Happy is so great!
Lost Temple not having forced opposite starting positions is an oversight that needs to be fixed.
Nice Casting Grubby U・ᴥ・U
Yea you are a really good caster because I can trust what you are saying :)
These casts and breakdowns are great.
that was a good series!
"many of those units never made it back home" **frowns**
26:08 LOL
Good matches and mind games. Uncanny to see happy play like this. Good for lyn 5 heading it
Casting was great, and sudden ending with snipe on doctor.
40:25 just take the tome!!! 😡
Yep that's me
It’s quite cool lmfao epic Frodo and Gandalf reference
Why no fiend web?
good content .being over 20 year wc and still feels so epic gg
Moar castings, Grubby! These are awesome!
Do these of other top players as well 🤗
The Potion of Lesser Invulnerability for 7 sec, Potion of [Moderate] Invulnerability for 15 sec, and Potion of -Greater Invulnerability- Divinity for 25 sec.
With one game per day you’ll get behind quick. Happy and Lyn just played another series of games…
Who won?
Idk about other matchups but Orc vs Undead (at this level) feels like nothing you can throw at the Ud is gonna necessarily be strong enough as long as Undead keeps scouting
It's not even the fact that Ud can expand but probably because Orc needs lots of hero levels in order to contest the Ud in conjunction with the fact that Ud has more presence on the map early on
I feel like Undead's fight on 2 heroes are easier/more consistent and I would imagine that statue is the better out of combat sustain than SH + pots
So basically Undead is better because they have many more abusive things including agency, burst, sustain, ability to early expand, while Orc has a vague promise of an arguably stronger 3 heroes combo, Raiders that get sniped, Hex (the efficacy of which is highly variable), and a highly uncertain promise of a timing attack with units that get sniped as well (Berserks or Wyverns)
Maybe I'm just overreacting to the Blade being bad but I'm equally non sure if Ud seemingly having as much agency in a matchup is a-ok
And yet, even though the UD knows the orc is going for mass air still has no counter available.
This is true. But don't say that at the Back2WC channel or Neo and Remo will be ban you. Happened to me. They both play Undead, and Neo in particular wants to swallow the sperm of Happy.
Hey Grub, sorry not related to wc3. What is a good place to live in NL if I'm a foreigner and know only English. I also have a remote job if that matters.
is it ever worth for orcs to get pit lord 3rd hero here? immune to nuking & cleave for ghouls? or DR for silence vs nukes & immunity
I think the idea is that keeping to two heroes levels them farther, with the stats to survive. 3 heroes spread the exp thinner, and make for 50% more target options
I like that the last game finishes like an average bnet game :D
Does Acid bomb armor reduction rise damage of Nova?
I know I am a super bad and an eternal noob and that hero focus is supposed to be bad and lame, but to me heros like dk are almost always a priority target for focusing fire cause he can heal and buff the rest of undeads for too long but no one can help him, I am often surprise about how much you pros are just ignoring heros untill the fights are almost over, I really did like seeing that dk just melt so fast! :D
They usually just go for the heroes if they're sure to kill or if harrassing the hero is beneficial.
Heroes are usually harder to kill and takes more time to kill. That time will certainly be used the opponent to kill alot of your units that is easier to kill. And most of the time the hero being chased can just tp/invul away.
Lost Temple, let's go
great commentarry!
Crazy that bm on LT with gigaclaws wasn't able to get it done.
Guess the earlier expo really put in work
LT the wildest match in the series for sure. Could have easily gone Lyn's way
Seeing his BM run in circles half the time in both the last fights caused physical pain :(
Jest happy having bad day... it seems he is accualy human!
Why is alchemist better than dreadlord in the wyvern situation? Carrion swarm and sleep not good vs rage/acid bomb?
My guess is that even if cs is better damage, acid bomb is cheaper and goes well with dk orb. Plus natural AA auto attack, and rage as an escape tool. I would think that sleep would help counter hex, or even better stop bats mid kaboom, but it looks like Happy disagrees
So much fun! More wc3 is demanded :D
to answer the rhetorical question at the end -- yes, NE is underpowered at the utlra high level.
Grubby... I must admit... The tier list needs to be looked at again
First ive seen the live sleepy dog cam, I appreciate wholeheartedly. (Keep up the good work, enjoying your content and learning how to play a game I used to love back in the day.)
These pros are going through some losses that i'd consider a GG and i'd be shaking my head thinking i'm a newb.
I am so "happy" when Lynn wins!
You should cast more
last game was so pro by Lynn.
Aint seen this yet, downloading for bed time, so deliberately controlling my eyes to avoid the comments below. BUT PLEASE GOD don't let Happy come back and win the entire series! I see the length (50m) and I AM SCARED! Want Orc to win so bad!
Peace and love!
Omg perfect timing
thank you so much for hiding the replay length!!!
09:45 -- why this matchup will *NEVER* be balanced, unless Bli$$ard's son stops playing Orc... :/
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Why doesn't Happy just make Fiends with Web?
i wish there are more elf casts from grubby, as an elf player
NOted!
lets go boys
2nd game was a big throw on Lyns side. That BM running around doing 0 damage when hes able to deal like 500 damage in 2 seconds was wasted
I don't know why chubby doesn't have a churros sponsorship. He's got money. He's lying
You could beat these guys Grubby. Hard mode competitive practice in secret mode Grubby could crush these guys!
The Ends Justify The Means!!!
why not use Dread as 3rd? against wyverns ? aoe+life steal and cc pls explain
interesting lyn kept attacking his base while Happy walks cross map to creep -- even though lyn has the worse heros and later goldmine AND is closer to the right side of the map
This first game was amazing, what twists! (which I will not spoil in my comment). But I really wasn't sure who was gonna win until the very end.
Liked the second game even more. I really like Lin's playstyle I so hope to see more games narrated by Grubster.
happy only plays this sloppy vs lian its crazy, these games are so good
Last game i was the str tome guy.
28:54
BM rocks
why does he look like the homealone kid?
Once his parents left he had all the time in the world to master his WC3 skills.
we gooooooooooooo
It's non-meta season lol.
Wyverns and Crypt Fiends ftw. :)
lost temple good map against expo bc so many creeps so map control rocks
lyn micro was so bad this game but he lasted long because of some lucky crits that killed the lich, SH feeding was so sad
sick game from happy wow. that micro is unmatched.
Hey Linpia means cleans in Spanish.
Frost worms and Chimaera just can't exist with Batriders as a unit
Happy must be ill these days or something, because that was some *POOR* play by him, *_even disregarding_** the standard imbalance of the matchup that heavily favors Orc !!*
Just... subpar plays, honestly, in that last game -- don't even have to explain them... Stupid hero losses, missed opportunities, allowing creep steals etc...
Shame, because he started off that TR game *WELL !!* ... but then *very SUDDENLY degenerated into poorness !! :O*
P.S. I felt like Lyn could have actually taken this 3-0 *EASILY* if only he had had just a bit more *CRIT LUCK* in that Lost Temple game !! :O
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13:35 happys army is pathetic. its a bunch of unupgraded ghouls. friends with no friends. no burrow. no attack. no armour. he has no orb. no items. meanwhile,..Lynn's packing "tauren Pop" and blade master "badness..." Maybe it's time for Zoloft.
grubby might i suggest for videos like this, where you're casting BO5 matches, you upload the second video as like an hour long, even if the last 40 minutes are a black screen? The reason for this is that when Lyn is 2-0, and the second video is 50 minutes long, it's spoiled from video length alone that Lyn is going to lose game 1. Sometimes depending on these circumstances it's also spoiled who wins the series entirely. This could be avoided by throwing a bunch of filler/empty content at the end of the video to fake out viewers. I know it might take a bit longer to upload, but i'd appreciate it, not sure if others feels the same though.
You should sometime show a replay from a player perspective and not show the enemy movement and all
not an interesting series
lol
Orcs is very deserving last buffs and next patch buff! (no).