Definitely nailed that weird way she had of trying to sell herself by raising her eyebrows and nodding quickly whenever she wanted that person to agree with her.
i think the real elizabeth holmes were calmer and more confident.. amanda seyfried made her look more agitated, which made elizabeth holmes more human LOL. Elizabeth is a remorseless psychopath.
Girlboss feminism isn't feminism if it replicates the same financial oppression just in a corporate co-opt sense of empowering women. Women still need to live.
Stop using the word, "Oppression." There is just TOO MANY female business owners for you to act like women are AT ALL oppressed. Lmfao Serious reaching on every "feminists" part. Sincerely and Seriously. Stop lying about what isn't real bud.
The only thing I feel bad for Amanda is that this is a TV role, and the biggest she can go is a golden globe but her performance is totally Oscar level.
She’ll be nominated for an Emmy for sure. There were times she became Elizabeth Holmes. Laurie Metcalf also deserves a nod because as Dr Gardner she was excellent.
@@RevolutionaryGlory yeah but maybe for couple of years only....jurors were very sympathetic to her( most were old white men ofcourse) I dont think that she gets the punishment she deserves.. I live in Europe and in here healthcare system is totally different world and I trust it 100% , never payed a cent of my blood tests and always everything was correct but in US....I am sorry but your helthcare system is trash....and theranos fraud was possible because of this shitty system that US has...I spend 3 months in Florida years ago and I had an accident...I spend 2 nights in hospitaland later got bill for 1100 USD ...like WTFF???? In Europe you stay in hospital for free...and with 1100 USD you can stay in Hilton hotel for 4 days.... but okay..,my point is that this fraud was possible only because US ghealthcare system is Fd up...peoples lives have been made a business....literal business,I feel very bad for american people nobody should choose between going to bancrupt or saving their life....
@@lls3676 I agree with the sentiment. I think it's important to also make sure those who are underrepresented who have great ideas or the potential to be amazing in their field get the resources and access needed that maybe others don't have to worry about as much.
Phyllis explains it perfectly in the scene after this one. The gist of what she said was that she supported women her entire career (she didn’t believe in Elizabeth because of her lack of experience, not because of her gender) and pretty much had enough of Elizabeth playing the woman card to get sympathy.
@@ar2042 because she knew from the beginning her ‘invention ‘ was big fat BS. And she knew after Elizabeth gets caught her actions would’ve a major consequences for other women who want to start a company. And she was right many women complained how they were compared to Elizabeth and some were even told to dye their hairs if they were blond.
Isn't that just absurd for anyone to say that people should support each other just because they have the same sex? I mean, I get the motive behind 'women supporting women' but the context here is completely different. Elizabeth pitched an idea that was just 'not possible' and a professor who happened to be of the same sex rejected that idea because even the professor knew how absurd that idea was.
Supporting becoz u r having same sex yeah that's sexism , but to give a perspective from a gender becoz u belong to the same gender thats not sexism that is like when women say " i understand this becoz i am a woman " but this is also exclusive to women nobody even listens when u say that's beocz i am man , they will call u a misogynist this is sexism too .
The saddest aspect of EH's downfall is that her brand was projected as a form of icon for women. With this scandal, she just closed doors to aspiring women entrepreneurs in a sexist world. Edit: "Female entrepreneurs find it difficult to get investors following the scandal. One woman was asked to dye her hair to look less like EH" is written at the end of the series. There's that.
I don't agree with that.. As a woman, I don't see her failure as a reason for me to not go forward with my own ideas. I don't believe that men will look at me, look at HER, and then at me again and make their minds up. I give men way more credit than that.
Yeah there are male billioners who steals peoples money information and they are still out there free. And also do not forget %90 of murderers are male. So should we close the worlds door to them? Lol
"You have to make sure that if you're out there, and you have a new idea, you don't listen to a single person that tells you that you can't do it" I remember that guy who built a home made rocket to blast up high enough into the stratosphere in order to prove the Earth is flat. He would probably find her comment funny, too... but of course he died when his stupid little home made rocket failed. Good stuff
First thing that came to my mind was that rollercoaster that engineers said wasn't fully safe but they opened it anyway and it ended up killing someone and shutting down the whole park
@Lena Wagenfuehr All of those people you listed focused on technology and engineering. It’s much easier to drop out since you don’t really need that type of learning if you were invested in it. Even then if they failed, no one would have given a shit otherwise. With Holmes, it’s the complete opposite, as medicine is a very risky business and a degree is definitely needed. You can’t fail with medicine because you are putting peoples health at risk. So Seb is right that she should have gotten that degree and maybe a different profession.
She tosses out some meaningless platitudes and the crowd went wild and cheered. It’s like religious brainwashing. I dislike interviews and rallies like this
Imagine if some genius actually made the thing work and she went down in history as the visionary. This probably happens all the time. Swift was right.
It's interesting that when she calls out Dr. Gardner for telling her idea was a bad one, she frames it as internalized misogyny when that was not the case at all. Gardner was very right to doubt Holmes because she saw right through her.
"You would think that women would want to help other women in the sciences" Nope... If you're a young woman in a male-dominated industry, you wouldn't think that at all. Perhaps it's due a "zero sum" mentality but some of the most outspoken critics of women are other women.
The fact that medical stuff do get long to have visible results and investors are willing to wait for actual ROI. And when it got too long and nothing is happening is when people got finally suspicious
Same way other big frauds like Enron and Bernie Madoff got away with it for so long. Sell a glitzy, glamorous look to the friends in high places, dazzle the media, and make the naysayers look stupid.
The Dropout, Super Pumped, and WeCrashed. Seems to be a new niche in the TV Series game killing it. I’d like an old school take and see one on Napster. The rise and fall...
There's a special place in hell for women who don't care about other women. But there's also a special place in hell for women who use that as an cover for their bad behaviour. Siegfried's performance is amazing.
Is there a special place for menwho dont care about menand womenwho dont care about men and men who dont care about women? If not then ... blaming women for not supporting idiotic women, what a nice thing to say by a ...man. you poor small 🦐 user
Seyfried has said, "I'd love to see her take responsibility in a very vocal way, which she has not. If she can just take accountability and move on." Yes, that is the very crux of the problem.
Ms Holmes perfectly abused the silliness of giving people a chance they haven't deserved based on not their merits but their gender or other presumed "minority".
In any other Hollywood movie, the Holmes character would be painted as the progressive girlboss hero, and the professor as the bitter-clinger reactionary villain. Guaranteed that anyone watching this clip without knowing anything about the Theranos story or this movie would take it that. But because this is based on a true story, for once, the usual fiction is upended.
Imposter syndrome isn't confined to women, nor is it bad. It is the honest person's mind telling you how much you need to learn and prove that you are worthy of an opportunity given to you. You will not be a valuable member of a workplace if you show up with the attitude that you have nothing to learn and that you are completely deserving of the respect that experienced workers have.
Elizabeth took “fake it till you make it” way too literally and seriously. She also took all those inspirational quotes way too literally and seriously. Never back down, never give up, reach for the stars, don’t listen to those who doubt you. Faking it too much can land you in prison, and if you are heading down a path of disaster, you might want to listen to the doubters and think about giving up
I’m not saying the professor was wrong or that Holmes was right… but I wonder if it would theoretically be possible to have killed her with kindness? Like would it have been possible to have stopped her before she gained power … by encouraging a responsible direction? Like, in theory, could it be tried by the person in the more prominent and experienced position to empathize with the ambitious student instead of shutting them down, act as a mentor type when speaking to them, encouraging them to move toward something (that was legit) instead of shutting them down and making them feel like they now have to double down (on the bad idea) to ‘prove’ you wrong? Like what if she hadn’t dismissed her? Just pondering…
Natual science says Holmes' ideas were 100% wrong, social science says she is a sociopath, and the law says she is a criminal. Also, it is a movie, not a documentary. In the real world, people have multi-mentors they seek advice, guidance, and support from.
She told Elizabeth the tech won’t work because it’s scientifically impossible, assured her that good ideas not working out happens a lot, and encouraged her to keep trying until she arrives to something that is feasible. Elizabeth refusing to listen and framing it as “you’re just a hater because i’m young and smart” is the real problem here. She wanted a yes man and didn’t get it from the professor.
Elizabeth Holmes has a personality disorder - most likely narcissism. It wouldn't have mattered in the least if someone encouraged her to go in a responsible direction, regardless if that was Steve Jobs, himself or Mahatma Gandhi.
People like her want to be revolutionary in a certain field. They don't care if their idea is even possible. She had many ideas and would switch them up if she was dismissed. If it wasn't the blood work theranos I guarantee you it would've been something else. Not saying it's bad to not keep trying. Perfecting things takes time especially when it's medical. I think she started with better intentions but we know how this ended. 🤷♀️ she also lied and said her uncle dying triggered her into this. (And a fear of needles) Come to find out she barely even knew him! She used a family death to further herself which shows us exactly who she really is. Even created a whole list of things he liked even though she knew nothing about him. Fame and power and money drove her. And now she has to pay the price for it. As she should.
When I complain about SJW talking points, this is what I’m worried about. It’s not that I’m worried about white guys being oppressed, but minorities being guilted into being scammed by people like Elizabeth Holmes. I remember watching these interviews when they went down and just hating the way she tried to paint her ambitions as a general woman’s issue. It just screamed: if you don’t support me, then you’re letting the men win.
Amnada has not portrayed elizabeth well, Elizabeth has a stone cold expressionless face whereas amand has portrayed a very expressful and wrinkling forehead face, full of anxiety body language. that's not ms holmes.
As someone else mentioned, it's absurd how everyone sees her as this underdog for being a woman in tech, when the only reason she got support was because she was a woman.
@@kanikagaral7637 That's irrelevant because all that anyone cared about was that she's a woman. She wouldn't be this famous if she were just another dude in tech
Manipulation indeed. U see people use it against u. Saying not supporting other women. Question: should i support her even though i was in a doubt of what she is doing just because she is a woman? Should i just not question it just because she is a woman?
I resent the fact that Holmes was allowed to speak at Stanford after dropping out. Dropping out should mean dropping out, not being feted because she got rich.
eh, I don't think the universities see it like that. Harvard would be missing a huge opportunity if they didn't allow Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates to speak just because they dropped out.
Women helping women do stupid things is not feminism. Of you care ,you stop them if you can. This woman.... was helped into this mess by people saying yes. How that happened I m sure I don't know. Family connection?the fact that smart dropouts can be genius in any many fields and people like jobs ha dust come through? That's nto for medicine though ut doenst really work . It's the one field we can't do this with. She almost caused incredible damage and she didn't know nay better rand the experts let this go on. And on. And on. And on. Jeezus.
Ok but honestly, good ideas do get turned out, and if Holmes wasn't a fraud this would have been definitely an earned called out. And I think the message of never giving up isn't too bad
Good ideas often happen because the original bad ideas get told they’re bad and people take that feedback and reflect on it before charting a new direction. Holmes never did that. You will always have to be receptive to criticism and be able to think it over. That’s called science and innovation. If you genuinely believe it is wise to ignore the criticisms of experts in a subject matter, you’re deluded. As was the case with Holmes.
@@Bloooo95 Gardner wasn't constructive though. She could've said "this won't work, but have you thought about this, or this?" How about saying "I like the idea, and this part may work but this is something you need to figure out." In my experience that's how good professors communicate to students. She just shut it down, it doesn't take anyone special to say than an idea won't work, the fry guy at McDonalds can say an idea won't work. Her feedback was not actionable feedback. Of course no idea is going to be perfectly fleshed out from the first iteration but there are almost always solid elements to one that you can point out and evolve from there. I don't understand why Gardner is seen as a hero, she's just an asshole (albeit an educated one) who happened to be right about Holmes. She didn't want to help Holmes because she didn't like her. And Holmes was going to be exposed regardless, Gardner didn't do anything special.
my only problem with Phyllis is the attitude. I get Elizabeth was young and cocky but so are all the first year students who think they've made it just cuz they got into a big named uni. I remember I was the same. But Phyllis was dismissive of her since their very first meeting. She shouldve been more humble in making Liz understand the flaws of the design.
She was being neutral and honest. She told Holmes the idea wasn’t going to work but she did it in a way where it wasn’t personal but a warning on what would happen if she screwed up. That’s why she hates Elizabeth with a passion now.
@@achaudhari101 the very fact that she "hates" Holmes gives me the impression that it was personal from the get-go with Gardner, and to me that's when a professor fails in their duty to educate and guide. I think Gardner was just envious of someone that young being that ambitious. She turned out to be right about Holmes, I only think about all of the people that Gardner shit on that weren't con-artists. Great, she got Holmes but she probably crushed the dreams of a lot of honest people that we never heard of.
so many things currently going to hell in a hand basket ,cause idiots are blindly following a cause without getting the whole picture! people getting "cancelled" cause of one comment or a five sec video
A guy would have been called out on this bullshit after burning first few millions. Only because EH is woman she nobody checked out on her. Yeah, the desperation for women in charge was so high.
Damn she did her voice so well, and her mannerisms
MANnerisms
lmao
Definitely nailed that weird way she had of trying to sell herself by raising her eyebrows and nodding quickly whenever she wanted that person to agree with her.
Her voice sounds the same here
i think the real elizabeth holmes were calmer and more confident.. amanda seyfried made her look more agitated, which made elizabeth holmes more human LOL. Elizabeth is a remorseless psychopath.
@@TheMscandy123 Exactly. Seyfried's portrayal is that of a nervous and not confident at all Holmes. She doesn't seem that way in reality.
Girlboss feminism isn't feminism if it replicates the same financial oppression just in a corporate co-opt sense of empowering women. Women still need to live.
BINGO 😤🎯 SPOT ON
Stop using the word, "Oppression."
There is just TOO MANY female business owners for you to act like women are AT ALL oppressed. Lmfao
Serious reaching on every "feminists" part. Sincerely and Seriously.
Stop lying about what isn't real bud.
@@justaperson174 Stop lying yourself and being in denial, incel.
Neither is choice feminism which I see some women spewing lately. Bunch of crap.
girlboss feminism is the most based feminism there is, unironically
👏WE👏NEED👏MORE👏WOMEN👏BILLIONAIRES👏
Props to Amanda Seyfried. Hope she gets nominated for an award for her performance.
I hope so too!!! She damn sure earned it!!
Well... 😏
She wasn’t nominated. She won.
The only thing I feel bad for Amanda is that this is a TV role, and the biggest she can go is a golden globe but her performance is totally Oscar level.
No an Emmy is better than GG, but I completely get what you mean.
The oscars and film industry is finished. TV is king now.
She’ll be nominated for an Emmy for sure. There were times she became Elizabeth Holmes. Laurie Metcalf also deserves a nod because as Dr Gardner she was excellent.
She did an average job.
Nobody cares about award shows anymore. Will Smith was the last to give a shit...
lol if only she *did* listen. Then she wouldn't be in prison.
She isn’t in prison.
@@AddBowIfGirl she likely will be very soon. She’s waiting for sentencing.
@@RevolutionaryGlory yeah but maybe for couple of years only....jurors were very sympathetic to her( most were old white men ofcourse) I dont think that she gets the punishment she deserves.. I live in Europe and in here healthcare system is totally different world and I trust it 100% , never payed a cent of my blood tests and always everything was correct but in US....I am sorry but your helthcare system is trash....and theranos fraud was possible because of this shitty system that US has...I spend 3 months in Florida years ago and I had an accident...I spend 2 nights in hospitaland later got bill for 1100 USD ...like WTFF???? In Europe you stay in hospital for free...and with 1100 USD you can stay in Hilton hotel for 4 days.... but okay..,my point is that this fraud was possible only because US ghealthcare system is Fd up...peoples lives have been made a business....literal business,I feel very bad for american people nobody should choose between going to bancrupt or saving their life....
@@AddBowIfGirlshe isn't in prison, YET.
Listen?
You shouldn't support somebody because they're the same race or gender as you. You should support them because they genuinely earned it.
and because their ideas are feasible enough to accomplish things.
@@Spikastru Yes!
@@lls3676 I agree with the sentiment. I think it's important to also make sure those who are underrepresented who have great ideas or the potential to be amazing in their field get the resources and access needed that maybe others don't have to worry about as much.
Shut up whitey
I 100% agree character over everything.
I don't think she ever talked with this much emotional expression in interviews
Phyllis explains it perfectly in the scene after this one. The gist of what she said was that she supported women her entire career (she didn’t believe in Elizabeth because of her lack of experience, not because of her gender) and pretty much had enough of Elizabeth playing the woman card to get sympathy.
That's part of the point.
Holmes arrived that far to scam so many precisely because she was a woman, not in spite of being a woman.
I agree 100%
Lol Dr Gardner was hilarious and i loved the actress in this part!
Laurie Metcalf, one of the greatest actors ever? Yes, she's great.
The real Dr Gardner has the same energy. She really hates Holmes with a passion 🤣🤣
@@ar2042 because she knew from the beginning her ‘invention ‘ was big fat BS. And she knew after Elizabeth gets caught her actions would’ve a major consequences for other women who want to start a company. And she was right many women complained how they were compared to Elizabeth and some were even told to dye their hairs if they were blond.
She really nailed the "oh fuck this" energy .
@@user-nf9xm7is3m for fucjs sakes
Isn't that just absurd for anyone to say that people should support each other just because they have the same sex? I mean, I get the motive behind 'women supporting women' but the context here is completely different. Elizabeth pitched an idea that was just 'not possible' and a professor who happened to be of the same sex rejected that idea because even the professor knew how absurd that idea was.
Yeah, that’s the clearly one of the points in this scene.
Supporting becoz u r having same sex yeah that's sexism , but to give a perspective from a gender becoz u belong to the same gender thats not sexism that is like when women say " i understand this becoz i am a woman " but this is also exclusive to women nobody even listens when u say that's beocz i am man , they will call u a misogynist this is sexism too .
That’s the entire point of this scene so well done :)
Sadly that mentality is the same with minorities when it comes to race (people of same race should support each other simply because of same race)
Sure, but the lady asking the question is obviously under the impression that EH's idea and product are both legitimate and groundbreaking.
That's what you get when you don't listen to Sheldon's mom.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mary cooper for the win 🤣
😂
😂😂😂 or Aunt Becky!
Or Roseanne’s sister
The saddest aspect of EH's downfall is that her brand was projected as a form of icon for women. With this scandal, she just closed doors to aspiring women entrepreneurs in a sexist world.
Edit: "Female entrepreneurs find it difficult to get investors following the scandal. One woman was asked to dye her hair to look less like EH" is written at the end of the series. There's that.
I don't agree with that.. As a woman, I don't see her failure as a reason for me to not go forward with my own ideas. I don't believe that men will look at me, look at HER, and then at me again and make their minds up. I give men way more credit than that.
@@XmatineeX I was talking about what Elizabeth did symbolically not necessarily current reality of women.
Yeah there are male billioners who steals peoples money information and they are still out there free. And also do not forget %90 of murderers are male. So should we close the worlds door to them? Lol
@@thebadlife274 because its a man's world. 🙄 Patriarchy.
@Aesthetic Decision sorry not metaphor. Anyway I've edited my comment.
All I'm trying to say is Elizabeth women's chances more than helping them.
The voice , the photo, the mannerisms everything is incredible 😍❤.
I could practically see the steam coming out of Dr. Gardner’s ears
Sociopathy is not gender specific.
"You have to make sure that if you're out there, and you have a new idea, you don't listen to a single person that tells you that you can't do it"
I remember that guy who built a home made rocket to blast up high enough into the stratosphere in order to prove the Earth is flat. He would probably find her comment funny, too... but of course he died when his stupid little home made rocket failed.
Good stuff
Yeah, maybe not just "new" ideas, but good ones
First thing that came to my mind was that rollercoaster that engineers said wasn't fully safe but they opened it anyway and it ended up killing someone and shutting down the whole park
She did a really amazing job playing her.
She is an absolutely amazing actress. Spot on impersonation.
this movie is the best example that it's not about women or men, science is above ego and all that bullocks
You should've gotten that damn degree liz
Mark, Bill, Larry, Steve...
@Lena Wagenfuehr All of those people you listed focused on technology and engineering. It’s much easier to drop out since you don’t really need that type of learning if you were invested in it. Even then if they failed, no one would have given a shit otherwise. With Holmes, it’s the complete opposite, as medicine is a very risky business and a degree is definitely needed. You can’t fail with medicine because you are putting peoples health at risk. So Seb is right that she should have gotten that degree and maybe a different profession.
Jeff bezos and Elon musk both graduated from college.
She’s an amazing actress omg
You know what as someone who has worked in Silicon Valley for Meta and Salesforce. There are more horrors than that of Theranos.
Would you like to share a story 🧬🤏
What else have u seen ◉‿◉ like do u mean management being like EH or filling investments on projects that never could have worked.
How can Amanda speak with this voice? Her own is much higher and softer.
Goodness, she plays her *brilliantly.* Everything she does. 😳👏👏👏
What an astonishing portrayal. Goosebumps.
She tosses out some meaningless platitudes and the crowd went wild and cheered. It’s like religious brainwashing. I dislike interviews and rallies like this
Imagine if some genius actually made the thing work and she went down in history as the visionary. This probably happens all the time. Swift was right.
Noob Question so bear with me, I am not from the US:
Is there an Affirmative Action equivalent for women and other minorities, like gay people?
It's interesting that when she calls out Dr. Gardner for telling her idea was a bad one, she frames it as internalized misogyny when that was not the case at all. Gardner was very right to doubt Holmes because she saw right through her.
Except Dr Gardner didn't want to make things harder for her; she was being realistic. The technology was impossible, and Gardner knew it.
I want to see the behind the scenes of Amanda bust out laughing when acting this role
"You would think that women would want to help other women in the sciences"
Nope... If you're a young woman in a male-dominated industry, you wouldn't think that at all. Perhaps it's due a "zero sum" mentality but some of the most outspoken critics of women are other women.
Because minorities are trained to squabble amongst themselves for crumbs, rather than tackle the big issues. Listen to the rich old white men laugh.
I can't believe they let it get this far with Elizabeth Holmes. How did she fool people for so long.
The fact that medical stuff do get long to have visible results and investors are willing to wait for actual ROI. And when it got too long and nothing is happening is when people got finally suspicious
Same way other big frauds like Enron and Bernie Madoff got away with it for so long. Sell a glitzy, glamorous look to the friends in high places, dazzle the media, and make the naysayers look stupid.
She’s blondes with blue eyes…
Because the potential profits with meds stuff is astrinomical. So greed basically.
The world was desperate to see a woman succeed.
The Dropout, Super Pumped, and WeCrashed. Seems to be a new niche in the TV Series game killing it. I’d like an old school take and see one on Napster. The rise and fall...
There's a special place in hell for women who don't care about other women. But there's also a special place in hell for women who use that as an cover for their bad behaviour.
Siegfried's performance is amazing.
Preach!
Is there a special place for menwho dont care about menand womenwho dont care about men and men who dont care about women? If not then ... blaming women for not supporting idiotic women, what a nice thing to say by a ...man. you poor small 🦐 user
This one
I was thinking she sounds and look familiar the mannerism, that Kristen Stewart 😂
She sounds like Romy from Romy and Michele's HS Reunion. It is hilarious.
Looks like Romy too.🤣🤣🤣
Did this incident happen?
Yes, check out her real RUclips videos, as well as book bad blood.
Based on interviews I've seen of the real life professor, that's exactly what I would expect her to say if this was a real scene 😅
Wow! This is so spot on.
I wanted to see more of Dr. Fuisz & Dr. Gardner
Never make an enemy of someone you know is better than you.
She NAILED the vocal pattern!
Seyfried has said, "I'd love to see her take responsibility in a very vocal way, which she has not. If she can just take accountability and move on." Yes, that is the very crux of the problem.
Did this happen in real life?
EH doubled down on dragging women's rights, empowerment and entrepreneurial spirit into the mud by doing this.
Or perhaps exposed,the uselessness of it all,that these sacred cows are in reality castles made of sand,we blindly worship.
Does anyone know when she started using that voice? I read somewhere people that knew her before were like “wtf why is she talking in that voice”
The old professor certainly got the last laugh though.
Ms Holmes perfectly abused the silliness of giving people a chance they haven't deserved based on not their merits but their gender or other presumed "minority".
0:15 oh my fcuking god 😂😂
In any other Hollywood movie, the Holmes character would be painted as the progressive girlboss hero, and the professor as the bitter-clinger reactionary villain. Guaranteed that anyone watching this clip without knowing anything about the Theranos story or this movie would take it that. But because this is based on a true story, for once, the usual fiction is upended.
Imposter syndrome isn't confined to women, nor is it bad. It is the honest person's mind telling you how much you need to learn and prove that you are worthy of an opportunity given to you. You will not be a valuable member of a workplace if you show up with the attitude that you have nothing to learn and that you are completely deserving of the respect that experienced workers have.
You can't call someone out, when you are the one who is wrong.
Elizabeth took “fake it till you make it” way too literally and seriously. She also took all those inspirational quotes way too literally and seriously. Never back down, never give up, reach for the stars, don’t listen to those who doubt you. Faking it too much can land you in prison, and if you are heading down a path of disaster, you might want to listen to the doubters and think about giving up
It's all about character.......not about what you look like.
I’m not saying the professor was wrong or that Holmes was right… but I wonder if it would theoretically be possible to have killed her with kindness? Like would it have been possible to have stopped her before she gained power … by encouraging a responsible direction? Like, in theory, could it be tried by the person in the more prominent and experienced position to empathize with the ambitious student instead of shutting them down, act as a mentor type when speaking to them, encouraging them to move toward something (that was legit) instead of shutting them down and making them feel like they now have to double down (on the bad idea) to ‘prove’ you wrong? Like what if she hadn’t dismissed her? Just pondering…
Natual science says Holmes' ideas were 100% wrong, social science says she is a sociopath, and the law says she is a criminal.
Also, it is a movie, not a documentary. In the real world, people have multi-mentors they seek advice, guidance, and support from.
Hard to say, sometimes people are so stubborn they don't listen no matter how nice you are
She told Elizabeth the tech won’t work because it’s scientifically impossible, assured her that good ideas not working out happens a lot, and encouraged her to keep trying until she arrives to something that is feasible. Elizabeth refusing to listen and framing it as “you’re just a hater because i’m young and smart” is the real problem here. She wanted a yes man and didn’t get it from the professor.
Elizabeth Holmes has a personality disorder - most likely narcissism. It wouldn't have mattered in the least if someone encouraged her to go in a responsible direction, regardless if that was Steve Jobs, himself or Mahatma Gandhi.
People like her want to be revolutionary in a certain field. They don't care if their idea is even possible. She had many ideas and would switch them up if she was dismissed. If it wasn't the blood work theranos I guarantee you it would've been something else. Not saying it's bad to not keep trying. Perfecting things takes time especially when it's medical. I think she started with better intentions but we know how this ended. 🤷♀️ she also lied and said her uncle dying triggered her into this. (And a fear of needles) Come to find out she barely even knew him! She used a family death to further herself which shows us exactly who she really is. Even created a whole list of things he liked even though she knew nothing about him. Fame and power and money drove her. And now she has to pay the price for it. As she should.
When I complain about SJW talking points, this is what I’m worried about. It’s not that I’m worried about white guys being oppressed, but minorities being guilted into being scammed by people like Elizabeth Holmes. I remember watching these interviews when they went down and just hating the way she tried to paint her ambitions as a general woman’s issue. It just screamed: if you don’t support me, then you’re letting the men win.
Hahaha the deep voice man, that's the best
I wanna see this but its not in Australia
The thing is, to this day, I don’t know if Elizabeth Holmes is fully convinced that she wronged anyone.
I still can’t believe this is same actress as Karen Samuels! Like Rachel Macadams she has range!!!!
That's why women need a portfolio of convicted male fraudsters with them at all time.
Amanda Seyfried I'm sorry about getting part glenda the good witch in the movie but with kisten chewth about Ariana grande
What was Dr Gardner even doing at something like that? She despised Holmes, rightly so, so why would she go to that?
Thats cool how they got twins for the crowd at ruclips.net/video/bdBD4GeluAs/видео.html, why did they put them in different rows though?
Amnada has not portrayed elizabeth well, Elizabeth has a stone cold expressionless face whereas amand has portrayed a very expressful and wrinkling forehead face, full of anxiety body language. that's not ms holmes.
Shes really good
Sheldon's mum knew what a real genius looked like and that was not Liz
Sheldon is gonna get mad at her…
It's amazing how many investors were taken in by this delusional sociopath. Where was the due diligence?
As someone else mentioned, it's absurd how everyone sees her as this underdog for being a woman in tech, when the only reason she got support was because she was a woman.
No it was because her daddy was an executive at Enron.
@@sorzin2289 Enron you say. Well if only we had some clue of how this was going to turn out
The media hype was partly because she was a woman but not the financial support
Woman from a rich family. Not common regualr folk like us. She had connections before this.
@@kanikagaral7637 That's irrelevant because all that anyone cared about was that she's a woman. She wouldn't be this famous if she were just another dude in tech
Manipulation indeed. U see people use it against u. Saying not supporting other women. Question: should i support her even though i was in a doubt of what she is doing just because she is a woman? Should i just not question it just because she is a woman?
Like taking candy from a baby 😂
That wtf moment for the Prof I feel sorry for her.
Did this happen in reality?
What this event? Yes.
The voice tho
Great !
Love Laurie!
AHHHH LAURIE METCALFFF
I resent the fact that Holmes was allowed to speak at Stanford after dropping out. Dropping out should mean dropping out, not being feted because she got rich.
eh, I don't think the universities see it like that. Harvard would be missing a huge opportunity if they didn't allow Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates to speak just because they dropped out.
Lol sheldons MOM.....
Got em!
Hearing Sheldon's mom swear is just disorienting
I don't like Phyllis so I enjoyed this scene, as much as I don't like the girl whose name I already forgot
Lmaooo and then she went to jail
Deserved
Women helping women do stupid things is not feminism. Of you care ,you stop them if you can. This woman.... was helped into this mess by people saying yes. How that happened I m sure I don't know. Family connection?the fact that smart dropouts can be genius in any many fields and people like jobs ha dust come through? That's nto for medicine though ut doenst really work . It's the one field we can't do this with. She almost caused incredible damage and she didn't know nay better rand the experts let this go on. And on. And on. And on. Jeezus.
Ok but honestly, good ideas do get turned out, and if Holmes wasn't a fraud this would have been definitely an earned called out. And I think the message of never giving up isn't too bad
Good ideas often happen because the original bad ideas get told they’re bad and people take that feedback and reflect on it before charting a new direction. Holmes never did that. You will always have to be receptive to criticism and be able to think it over. That’s called science and innovation. If you genuinely believe it is wise to ignore the criticisms of experts in a subject matter, you’re deluded. As was the case with Holmes.
@@Bloooo95 Gardner wasn't constructive though. She could've said "this won't work, but have you thought about this, or this?" How about saying "I like the idea, and this part may work but this is something you need to figure out." In my experience that's how good professors communicate to students. She just shut it down, it doesn't take anyone special to say than an idea won't work, the fry guy at McDonalds can say an idea won't work. Her feedback was not actionable feedback. Of course no idea is going to be perfectly fleshed out from the first iteration but there are almost always solid elements to one that you can point out and evolve from there. I don't understand why Gardner is seen as a hero, she's just an asshole (albeit an educated one) who happened to be right about Holmes. She didn't want to help Holmes because she didn't like her. And Holmes was going to be exposed regardless, Gardner didn't do anything special.
Define "calling out."
I Want, The World.To Know.
I'm A Very Good Person.And I
Condemn.The Actions Of
Elizabeth Holmes.Richard.
my only problem with Phyllis is the attitude. I get Elizabeth was young and cocky but so are all the first year students who think they've made it just cuz they got into a big named uni. I remember I was the same. But Phyllis was dismissive of her since their very first meeting. She shouldve been more humble in making Liz understand the flaws of the design.
She was being neutral and honest. She told Holmes the idea wasn’t going to work but she did it in a way where it wasn’t personal but a warning on what would happen if she screwed up. That’s why she hates Elizabeth with a passion now.
@@achaudhari101 the very fact that she "hates" Holmes gives me the impression that it was personal from the get-go with Gardner, and to me that's when a professor fails in their duty to educate and guide. I think Gardner was just envious of someone that young being that ambitious. She turned out to be right about Holmes, I only think about all of the people that Gardner shit on that weren't con-artists. Great, she got Holmes but she probably crushed the dreams of a lot of honest people that we never heard of.
so many things currently going to hell in a hand basket ,cause idiots are blindly following a cause without getting the whole picture! people getting "cancelled" cause of one comment or a five sec video
Sheeple! Sheeple! Sheeple!
"We can be just as evil as the boys" - Inscription on the tombstone of feminism.
You forgot to add incompetent.🤣🤣
A guy would have been called out on this bullshit after burning first few millions. Only because EH is woman she nobody checked out on her. Yeah, the desperation for women in charge was so high.
Amanda is a much better actress than Anne Hathaway
She’s still out of jail.
April 27/2023...big final bra and panty tickle fight on the 26th.
How about people just help people for fucks sake
The road to hell
6th episode
I see Kristen Stewart blonde