The Bahá'i Faith [Part 1] - Origins & The Báb
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2020
- This is the first video in a two-part series on The Bahá'i Faith - one of the youngest and fastest growing religions in the world.
In this video, I use slides created by Dr. Khalil Andani without properly crediting him. This was a mistake on my part, check out his channel here: / ismailignosis
Link to my Patreon page: / letstalkreligion
Link to the film "The Gate", footage from which was used in this video:
• The Gate: Dawn of the ...
(It's a good introduction, but made by Baha'is so keep in mind that it is a biased version of events)
Sources/Further Reading:
Smith, Peter (2008). "An Introduction to the Baha'i Faith". Cambridge University Press.
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I say this as an atheist and as someone who's tired of seeing so many wars being waged on Twitter fueled by mutual ignorance of one another, your videos legitimately make the world a better place. I admire your respect, your thoughtfulness and the passion you put into what you do. And I know I'm far from being the only person to think so. Thanks for being awesome, man.
Same here. Agreed.
@@MultiSciGeek fellow ohmie
@@Ben-pu7jl No.
I second this.
🤒🙏
I started watching your videos from your very first upload and I couldn’t wait until I got to the Baha’i faith videos. I’m a Baha’i and it’s nice to see such a great deal of research being done about the religion I follow. Thank you for being very respectful in your picture choices and way of speaking.
Thank you for commenting, and I'm glad you are happy with the way I presented the subject :)
I'm Bahai too. He does a great job presenting all the different ones.
I was just about to make the exact same comment as the above! Extremely well researched - certainly appreciated the nuance of the respectful picture choices 🙏🏽
Baha'i faith is not even a religion nor a cult, it's a modern ideology that combines multi-religion believes.
It's just a waste of time.
We are all entitled to opinions. Opinions are sometimes biased due to circumstances and environments., 👋 🌎..waste of time.? No time is wasted it may get misused voluntarily or unintended.. regardless of where the time went or how, understanding and acknowledging that life is the journey of obtaining true knowledge through experience feast or famine, then articulate how to input your thoughts proactively.. ☮️ ☯️ good luck spread positivity and open mindsets 🙏
I'm a Bahá'í and just watched both part 1 and then part 2 of your videos on the Bahá'í Faith. I was extremely impressed by how well this was put together and how accurate it all is from a Bahá'í viewpoint. I even appreciated your skepticism and the few things that you pointed out as "negatives" because, even though I of course disagreed with them, it shows how independent your investigation was-which is actually another central teaching of the Bahá'í Faith!
In fact, this video is a much better presentation than most of those produced by the Bahá'ís! The biggest exceptions being the most recent "Light to the World" (about the life of Bahá'u'lláh and how His teachings are transforming society-and which is Lord of the Rings beautiful); and "Dawn of the Light" (about the life of the Báb and how the teachings of the Bahá'í Faith address deeply personal issues-especially among the youth). BOTH films are available on RUclips and I'd highly recommend them to both you, and any interested viewers.
Lastly, I'm going to help share your two videos on the Bahá'í Faith with the worldwide Bahá'í community; and, because of the truly impressive job you did with these two videos on the Bahá'í Faith, I've subscribed to your channel and plan on watching every video you post. I'm sure I will be just one of MANY Bahá'í's to do so. Congratulations on such a fine job and keep up the good work!
Quite correct, Wayfarer1844! I just subscribed. :)
The fake miracle story that Báb survived the first round of firing squad's 750 bullets was made up just like Moses parting the Red Sea, resurrection of Jesus, and other religious miracle stories were made up by people making up fake testimonials on behalf of others who lived in the past.
Why would you follow the religion of a man who warped another religion? Why not follow the source?
@@aibel99 basically what they did with Christianity. Jesus introduced a new form of Judaism and his followers warped it into a whole new religion.
@@AtamMardes people dispute the validity of miracles simply because they didn’t see them, at the same time we can’t say 100% these are made up stories. Maybe they’re a little exaggerated but God is Great and is surely capable of allowing these things to happen.
I came across the story of Báb today, i do not know how or why, but i couldnt stop reading and my eyes were glued
Mine have been glued for 60 years now. We are so fortunate to have SO much reliable information about the history and teachings of our Faith!
If you really wish to understand the Baha'i Faith, listen to or read Nabil's Narrative about the early days of the intertwined Babi and Baha'i Faiths. The STORY of the Faith is extraordinary and extraordinarily compelling. Love.
Interesting how they thought Al-Mahdi would return in 1844. The millerite movement thought Jesus would return in 1844.
I was thinking the same myself! (I'm distantly related to William Miller.)
I think there was a lot of overlap behind the scenes. If not earth in the heavens.
YES! And then out of the Millerites came the Seventh Day Adventists. I have been read a lot about them.
Baha'is affirm both in one.
The Millerites and others deciphered properly the embedded timeline for the Return. The Time, Two Times, and Half a Time, each time a Divine Year of 360 "Days"; each "Day" equalling a year. So, exactly 1260 years, the exact length of time from the Hejira of Islam to the Declaration of the Bab, which occurred in the year 1844 of the Christian calendar. It is one of the clearest evidences of the truth-claims of the Baha'i Faith. The Being of the Prophet-Founders and Their Writings being two other superior evidences. Love.
verrrrrrry hyped for this one
Thank you for such a clear, honest, well researched and respectful presentation of the Baha’i Faith. Subscribed.
You’re a well educated person about religion so far the best I’ve watched also so respectful to each belief
Thank you so much Filip for your objectivity and your attention to detail, this is not entirely common among religious commentators that is why I find your presentations so comforting.
Wow. The details of this story are amazing. Thank you for this video.
I am a subscriber, and enjoy your other videos. This is a wonderful presentation, with excellent research delivery! As a Baha’i of almost 40 years, I feel very comfortable sharing this video with others. Thank you for your diligence and dedication!🙏☮️
"Baha'is believe that God periodically reveals his will through divine messengers, whose purpose is to transform the character of humankind and to develop, within those who respond, moral and spiritual qualities. Religion is thus seen as orderly, unified, and progressive from age to age."
Exactly what Muslims believe. The error of Bahaullah‘s followers from a Muslim point of view (especially the Ismaili Shia from whom Bahai‘s derived just as the Druze and Alawites) is that Bahaullah didn‘t fulfill the prophecies and qualities coming with the Mahdi
@@melihderman870 that’s because the Bab is the Mahdi.
As a Bahai...great description.
The fake miracle story that Báb survived the first round of firing squad's 750 bullets was made up just like Moses parting the Red Sea, resurrection of Jesus, and other religious miracle stories were made up by people making up fake testimonials on behalf of others who lived in the past.
@@melihderman870 Yeah, Bahá'i Faith is like that classmate who copy your homework and promise you to change it a little bit.
I’m excited for this. I wrote a paper on Baha’i for college!
You must have a pure reflective soul. This may be the most important discovery of one’s life. Happy searching!
what a waste of time
@@mohamedghanbari2423 hush moe
@@mohamedghanbari2423 learn to love all people then you elevate your soul.
The fake miracle story that Báb survived the first round of firing squad's 750 bullets was made up just like Moses parting the Red Sea, resurrection of Jesus, and other religious miracle stories were made up by people making up fake testimonials on behalf of others who lived in the past.
Thank you for this illuminating presentation. Very rare to see this kind of objective exposition about the beginnings of Baha'i.
Thanks for this beautiful video. I was growing with my grandparents they were both Bahai faiths but they pass away when i was 12 and now i been back to my Christian parents...Bty thks for bring back good memories of this good Religion....
Interesting video! Even though I'm a Muslim, I didn’t know any of this. Thank you a lot.
We were Muslim also and become Baha’i
What do I think of Jesus Christ. @@user-zt6nm5gz4g
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Hi, I am a regular audience of your channel. Your videos really helped me understanding lot of things of religions. My favorite video is of Ibn Arabi's. Would you kindly make a video about Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali?
So glad i found this video. Thank you for your information. As far as i am concerned any system that pulls people together instead of tearing them apart its a good thing.
Glad your channel is growing so fast. You deserve it man.
Just today I looked up Dizzy Gillespie and found out he belonged to this faith but couldn’t pronounce it.. thanks!
wonderful job, thank you for all your videos. Although a religion nerd, I got to know details, I didn't know before.
This is Shaykh Ahmad al-Ahsai, the founder of Shaykhism School. شيخ أحمد بن زين الدين بن إبراهيم الأحسائي
Please enable closed captions/subtitles for those hard of hearing. Thank you.
This may be a challenge, or tangential but I'd love to see something on the similarities between Vedic religions and Zoroastrianism, Greek and Celtic religions...etc. They are all connected through language. Indra, Thor, Dues Pitir, Jupiter, Zues Patrus...etc. I similarly was preoccupied with religion in my youth and have come back to it know trying to understand what is universal. The similarities between Egypt, Sumer, Zoroastrianism and Judeo-Christian traditions would also be great. Appreciate the work. Vaya con Dio.
Mee too.... Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and ancient Celtic and Lithuanian paganism and shamanism has really a lot in common from rituals to god's to a lotta stuff. I really hope he makes a video on that.
If I interpreted your comment correctly, you might be interested in Crecganford. They have a channel talking about Indo-European religious culture, which spanned from the Celts and Northern Europe, all the way through ancient Greece, Iran, and India!
There is a book I read saying that Zoroaster is Joseph from the bible and no one mentioned it but the 3 wise men were Zoroastrian magi
@@sepperD3 Do you remember what book. That's interesting, the Magi part is for sure. Cyrus is also mentioned as a "man of God" in the Old Testament.
you really brought this into clear focus ,, what you are taught doesn't fit with reality , thank you agin for bringing these real informations to us all, I enjoy that give us all sides so we can makeup our own minds
Interesting and educational channel. Greetings from Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Thanks for the work that went into this. It's Ah-sá'i, btw, from the Arabian province of Ah-sá.
So important ! Thank you for the video (and great channel!)
First time learning about Shia Islam in-depth and I am honestly quite surprised by the esotericism and the degree of interpretation of the Quran, which I guess, would not doubt be considered blasphemy by Wahabi/Sunni. Islam is surprisingly diverse! Not at all as portrayed by the media or Sunni "sources". Like all the Muslims I've ever met took everything in Quran literally and were strictly against interpretation or anything remotely "esoteric"... I'm quite surprised by this.
Sufi Muslims are more like this, however also quite diverse
Very well done sir. I also do videos on religion, although more from a Bahá’í perspective on philosophical, theological, and apologetic issues.
Thanks! I've seen one of your videos on Baha'i cosmology actually! Great stuff!
@@LetsTalkReligion I saw one of your video about "Wahdatul Wujood" it reminded me of the Baha'i Cosmology.
_Baha'u'llah lived for a time as a Sufi and picked up ideas from his Naqshbandi teachers in Kurdistan, Baghdad, and possibly elsewhere (see Cole 1984) He had earlier had an affiliation to the Iranian Ni'matullahi brotherhood. Many of his writings are saturated with Sufi belief, just as the Bab’s are filled with occult and magical conceits._
(Denis MacEoin, Making the invisible visible: introductory books on the Baha'i religion (the Baha'i Faith))
www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0048721X.2012.705975
Yes the connection between Bahaullah's teachings and the school of Ibn Arabi is fascinating, I've noticed a lot of similarities. I dedicated a long section of part 2 to this question but had to cut it out to keep the video lenght a little tighter. Could do a video on it in the future though!
@@LetsTalkReligion "In Istanbul, every day at noon Bahá'u'lláh would go to the Mosque of Sultán Muhammad and there recite the prayer in the manner of Islam"
(Ustád Muhammad-`Alíy-i Salmání, MY MEMORIES OF BAHÁ'U'LLÁH, pp. 38-39)
@@bahaiknowledgebank4413 do you have a channel?
i never come across bahai content, so as someone who grew up baha’i (from my dad) this is very interesting
"i never come across bahai content" ? Where on earth are you looking?
Looking forward to it
The beautyfull writing's of Baha u llah made me becoming a Baha'i ❤ Allah u abha to all the Baha'is around the world 👃💖😎
It is a cult. Here are some of the cult-like tendencies in the Baha'i Faith that are not found in other major religions:
1. Each Baha'i has a 'membership card' with a membership number.
2. Strict censorship and approval process for new books.
3. Punishments against individuals for perceived infractions include deprivation of voting rights and potential ostracism and shunning.
4. Ban on Baha'i Studies courses to prevent hierarchy formation perceived as a threat to the administrative structure.
5. Suppression of Baha'i academics who don't follow the party line and agenda.
6. Misuse of the notion of "unity" to silence and penalise divergent views.
7. Discouragement from reporting misconduct of individual members in the interests of "unity" and public image.
8. Selective translation of literature to control information and maintain a marketable narrative despite internal contradictions.
9. Revisionist edits in new editions of books (e.g. removal of failed prophecies and intolerant language).
10. Frequent fundraising for projects to enhance global image.
Alláh-u-Abhá! Welcome to the Cause of God for this new Day of God.
@@wendyscott8425 Welcome to the Baha'i cult.
The Baha'i Faith is an independent religion, not an off shoot. Like Christianity is not an off shoot of Judaism. Baha'i's believe all the previous manifestations of God, brought teachings for their time. I think the corner stone of any religion is, does it make our world better? What does our world need now? Let's look at one of many Baha'i teachings: "Love me that I may love thee; if thou loves me not, my love can in no wise reach thee. Know this O servant" Bahá’u’lláh
"Though sprung from Shi'ih Islam, and regarded, in the early stages of its development, by the followers of both the Muslim and Christian Faiths, as an obscure sect, an Asiatic cult or an offshoot of the Muhammadan religion, this Faith is now increasingly demonstrating its right to be recognized, not as one more religious system superimposed on the conflicting creeds which for so many generations have divided mankind and darkened its fortunes, but rather as a restatement of the eternal verities underlying all the religions of the past..."
-Shoghi Effendi
@@NaserEmtesali I don't know where you got your quote from - but he doesn't talk like that. I think you are way off base!
@@suzysview1 bahai-library.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=70:summary-statement-1947-special-un-committee-on-palestine&catid=3:shoghi-effendi&Itemid=4
@@NaserEmtesali That was very nice of you to provide that quote that verifies what Suzy said. The Baha'i Faith was regarded as a sect or offshoot by both Muslim and Christian sources, but it is indeed an independent world religion. This has been confirmed by the ruling of more than one court of law.
Why don't you go find yourself a religion that agrees with you and devote all your time and energy to that? Or at least go make up your own religion and you can have it all your way. Do you also follow around ex-girlfriends and ex-wives, and warn potential suitors of all the ways you imagine that they "done you wrong"?
Having watched you talking about Babism, I am very looking forward to watch a video about Tahere. She was one of the Letters of Living in Babism and a very controversial character in her time, and actually you can say she was a feminist of 19th century.
Great video. It would have also been cool for you to get into 'ilm al-Huruf (the science of the letters) which played a prominent role in the Bab's writings.
'ilm al-Huruf being a form of native esotericism to the Ahlulbayt themselves, deconstructing inner meaning of Qur'an passages through the make up of the individual Arabic letters and the meanings of these letters in relation to each other.
Such a science was as said, a key element in the teachings of the Ahlulbayt, the Twelve Imams (to be found through not only Shi'i Hadith but also in Sunni Hadith that mention Ali).
In later history it started resurging in popularity through the work of Astarabadi and later the Shaykhi movement that lead up to the Bab.
This practice predating the practice of Gematria in Jewish Kabbalah by around 800 years.
Very interesting subject. I plan on doing a video on the Hurufis, which is the most famous group associated with the ilm al-huruf, even if the subject itself is much broader.
It will also naturally come up constantly when I start exploring the esoteric sides of Islam more.
@@LetsTalkReligion That would be excellent. The Shaykhi teachings, especially Shaykh Ahmad and Siyyid Kazim, are really quite interesting and have tremendous insights. I was recently reading Henri Corbin's book on the series of Muslim esoteric scholars through time.
@El dissidente this is simply not true, Jews in the middle ages were under the Islamicate in Spain (also Jerusalem and other places) and there was friendly intellectual exchanges between what Muslim philosophers and mystics where doing and what Jewish philosophers and mystics had only just begun to do at the time.
Jews created Kabbalah and "Gematria" based off these interactions with Muslims at the time. For a myriad of reasons these things later on developed into mysterious cultural cornerstones in Jewish culture but remained more arcane in Muslim culture.
Awesome video, thank you
Hi! I found your channel yesterday, and I'm loving it! Can you make a video on the Qarmatians?
Very interesting topic. As a rather unorthodox Shi'ite, I flirted with the idea of neo-Qarmarian revival a while ago as a thought experiment. I definitely have a high level of respect for the Qarmatians.
Personally I see them as in between both Twelverism and Nizarism.
They contained qualities of both but have remained ghostly figures to the rest of mainstream Islamic history.
I have mad respect for them though, they had big aspirations, a vision, and they had a very revolutionary social organization. This all in compliment to their esoteric "
(Batin) tenants.
Not that long ago, a great book from Mai Mohammed AL Khalifa called "The Qarmatians from concept to state" came out in a translation. I brought it and thoroughly enjoyed reading it (although because of limited resources for studying them, esotericism was not as explored in the book as I hoped)
Definitely!
Check you facts first!
thanks again for the all hard work and the all gathring of information, you're doing goood 10/10
Great talk!🌺
Thank you for this video
Excellent presentation and very well done. Thank you
Outstanding video, looking forward to Part 2, your pronunciation of Arabic and Persian terms is impressive, where did you learn these languages!!
Studied Arabic for a year at Stockholm University :) Have also studied Arabic/Persian/Islamic culture for many more years, and I naturally picked up a lot of stuff from that.
@@LetsTalkReligionare u muslim
Thank you brilliant presentation.
Marko Rodin is a practitioner of this faith
His testimony concerning it and his Rodin Coil / vortex based mathematical models are intriguing
Very well researched. Thank you.
Can you do a video about the Assassins? Their main beliefs, and just their history in general. I know Hasan Sabbah spent most of his later life creating doctrines for the Assassins, but many of these books were lost during the Mongol Invasion, and no one has really talked about their beliefs.
Absolutely. I plan on doing videos on those subjects
Thank you kindly for sharing such.
Of Vietnam War era, I appreciate East & West: culture, history, cuisine, and especially philosophy. Analects of Confucius, teachings of Buddha, and "Kami" of Shinto, have always provided guidance along the "Way".
My Father (R.I.P.) of era of the European 2nd "WeAreRight to end all wars???" shared my interest in such, was a merchant seaman. Per chance his actual contacts with Middle East ports enlightened Him to share with me the positive aspects of the Bahai faith.
As Confucius may have implied "Ancient Knowledge may be of worthwhile endeavor to Future Wisdom, yet without Present Intelligence, to discern ...
As a Baha’i I would say this is a very good and respectful explanation of the Baha’i Faith. Well done, thank-you.
Do bahais call themselves muslims ? As shias call themselves muslim and sunni also call themselves muslim, do u call urself muslim or only bahai?
@@RABIASHAHID-el9pe Separate religion, they are not Muslims nor a sect of Muslims.
@@RABIASHAHID-el9pe Islamaphobic much?
Here are some problems with the Baha'i faith:
1. Women equality (UHJ) issue.
2. Push for Ruhi Indoctrination.
3. Endless meetings on recruiting others into the faith and forming clusters, etc. instead of focusing on the local community and it’s needs.
4. Heavy-handedness & Intimidation by Institutions and their administrative officers (ABM, etc.)
5. Lack of fun and social activities.
6. Shunning or removal of voting rights of others who don’t agree with mainstream faith beliefs or who are calling for change.
7. Lack of Freedom of Speech or Independent thought.
8. Not allowing political activism for social justice.
9. Clamping down on independent scholars and researchers within the Baha’i faith.
10. Elitism (Persians vs. others)
11. Lack of charity (helping the less fortunate, poor or homeless).
12. Lots of gimmicks.
13. Execrating and creating fear of the co-called covenant-breakers.
14. It is homophobic.
@@PresidentJeanAuguste hows that islamaphobic
In my understanding, this is very similar to the historical Jesus' ministry, where Jesus himself (according to the historian/biblical scholar) didn't claimed to be the Messiah, but he seemed to proclaim the coming of the "Son of Man" figure (while the latter term is used more frequently than "Messiah"). Later, Christian believed that Jesus himself is the Messiah and that the "Son of Man" and the Messiah is the same figure, which ultimately is Jesus. This is very similar to the story of the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh
, but in this case, the two figures are separated: the Báb being precursor and Bahá'u'lláh
being the promised one.
Edit: I wrote this before finishing the video, when you mentioned the similarity of John the Baptist and Jesus, which is also very interesting.
It's interesting when stories mirror each other, either on purpose or not. Like when Baha'ullah sent letters to the world leaders of his time; an obvious attempt to mirror the letters sent by Prophet Muhammad to different emperors.
Bahai is just like Ahmadi and Ismaili religion.Many people claimed to be prophets after the death of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). And Almost all of these so called new Prophets tried to copy Prophet Muhammed(PBUH). They Eliminated Things in Islam what they didnt liked and called it an upgrade or an update to the religion.
@@osamaanees8406*Shoghi Effendi about Islam*
Strange, incredibly strange, must appear the position of this most powerful branch of the Islamic Faith (Sunni), with no outward and visible head to voice its sentiments and convictions, its unity irretrievably shattered, its radiance obscured, its law undermined, its institutions thrown into hopeless confusion. This institution that had challenged the inalienable, divinely appointed rights of the Imáms of the Faith of Muḥammad, had, after the revolution of thirteen centuries, vanished like a smoke, an institution which had dealt such merciless blows to a Faith Whose Herald was Himself a descendant of the Imáms, the lawful successors of the Apostle of God.
To what else could this remarkable prophecy, enshrined in the Lawḥ-i-Burhán, allude if not to the downfall of this crowned overlord of Sunní Muslims? “O concourse of Muslim Divines! Because of you the people were abased, and the banner of Islám was hauled down, and its mighty throne subverted.” What of the indubitably clear and amazing prophecy recorded in the Qayyúm-i-Asmá? “Erelong We will, in very truth, torment such as waged war against Ḥusayn [Imám Ḥusayn], in the Land of the Euphrates, with the most afflictive torment, and the direst and most exemplary punishment.” What other interpretation can this Muḥammadan tradition be given? “In the latter days a grievous calamity shall befall My people at the hands of their ruler, a calamity such as no man ever heard to surpass it.”
This was not all, however. The disappearance of the Caliph, the spiritual head of above two hundred million Muḥammadans, brought in its wake, in the land that had dealt Islám such a heavy blow, the annulment of the sharí’ah canonical Law, the disendowment of Sunní institutions, the promulgation of a civil Code, the suppression of religious orders, the abrogation of ceremonials and traditions inculcated by the religion of Muḥammad. The Shaykhu’l-Islám and his satellites, including muftís, qádís, hujáhs, shaykhs, súfís, ḥájís, mawlavís, dervishes, and others, vanished at a stroke more determined, more open, and drastic than the one dealt the Shí’ihs by the Sháh and his government. The mosques of the capital, the pride and glory of the Islamic world, were deserted, and the fairest and most famous of them all, the peerless St. Sophia, “the Second Firmament,” “the Vehicle of the Cherubim,” converted by the blatant creators of a secular regime into a museum. The Arabic tongue, the language of the Prophet of God, was banished from the land, its alphabet was superseded by Latin characters, and the Qur’án itself translated into Turkish for the few who still cared to read it. The constitution of the new Turkey not only proclaimed formally the disestablishment and disendowment of Islám, with all its attendant and, in the view of some, atheistic enactments, but also heralded various measures that aimed at its further humiliation and weakening. Even the city of Constantinople, “the Dome of Islám,” apostrophized in such condemnatory terms by Bahá’u’lláh, which, after the fall of Byzantium, had been hailed by the great Constantine as “the New Rome,” and exalted to the rank of the metropolis of both the Roman Empire and of Christendom, and subsequently revered as the seat of the Caliphs, was relegated to the position of a provincial city and stripped of all its pomp and glory, its soaring and slender minarets standing sentinel at the grave of so much vanished splendor and power.
“O Spot that art situate on the shores of the two seas!” Bahá’u’lláh has thus apostrophized the Imperial City, in terms that call to mind the prophetic words addressed by Jesus Christ to Jerusalem, “The throne of tyranny hath, verily, been stablished upon thee, and the flame of hatred hath been kindled within thy bosom, in such wise that the Concourse on high, and they who circle around the Exalted Throne, have wailed and lamented. We behold in thee the foolish ruling over the wise, and darkness vaunting itself against the light. Thou art indeed filled with manifest pride. Hath thine outward splendor made thee vainglorious? By Him Who is the Lord of mankind! It shall soon perish, and thy daughters, and thy widows, and all the kindreds that dwell within thee shall lament. Thus informeth thee the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.”
Such was the fate that overtook both Shí’ih and Sunní Islám, in the two countries where they had planted their banners and reared their most powerful and far-famed institutions. Such was their fate in these two countries, in one of which Bahá’u’lláh died an exile, and in the other the Báb suffered a martyr’s death. Such was the fate of the self-styled Vicar of the Prophet of God, and of the favorite ministers of the still awaited Imám. “The people of the Qur’án,” Bahá’u’lláh testifies, “have risen against Us, and tormented Us with such a torment that the Holy Spirit lamented, and the thunder roared out, and the clouds wept over Us…. Muḥammad, the Apostle of God, bewaileth, in the all-highest Paradise, their acts.” “A day shall be witnessed by My people,” their own traditions condemn them, “whereon there will have remained of Islám naught but a name, and of the Qur’án naught but a mere appearance. The doctors of that age shall be the most evil the world hath ever seen. Mischief hath proceeded from them, and on them it will recoil.” And again: “Most of His enemies will be the divines. His bidding they will not obey, but will protest saying: ‘This is contrary to that which hath been handed down unto us by the Imáms of the Faith.’” And still again: “At that hour His malediction shall descend upon you, and your curse shall afflict you, and your religion shall remain an empty word on your tongues. And when these signs appear amongst you, anticipate the day when the red-hot wind will have swept over you, or the day when ye will have been disfigured, or when stones will have rained upon you.”
-Shoghi Effendi
reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/PDC/pdc-24.html
@@bahaiknowledgebank4413 I appreciate your effort but man thats long. Your could have used that time cure cancer or maybe end world hunger. Maybe someday i will read it.
@@osamaanees8406 LOL. It is long. You are right.
Just curious, did you only blur the one face because that one person deserves extra reverence? Or were those others simply okay with having pictures of them?
Second one.....some religions as respect to the founder don't let pictures out loosely.
if it was a photo of Baha'u'llah you're referring to, it's not meant to be in circulation, and should only be seen when on Pilgrimage to the Holy Land in Haifa, Israel. Just out of reverence.
What’s that song used in the beginning? (The choral one that plays for like 3 seconds)
Thank you very much.❤️😘♥️
What a cliffhanger. Can't wait for part 2
I was moved to share a comment on your respectful and accurate presentation of the Babi and Baha’i religions. I am a Baha’i of 45 years and applaud your unbiased presentation… how very “Baha’I” of you. One of the major tenants of the Baha’i Faith is independent investigation of truth followed by justice, equality in diversity… all leading to the unification of humanity. Continue your presentations… the world needs more people interested in promoting truthfulness and accuracy. Much appreciation!
Excellent presentation. As a Bahai you have included information that I enjoy hearing repeatedly. You are very cognizant of activities that took place at that time. I was drawn into the Bahai faith as a teen hearing about the life of Siyyid Ali-Muhammad, the Bab, in the book written by one of his followers Nabil, entitled "The Dawn Breakers". Thank you!
One video on Shaykhism would be appreciated. There are many Shaykhis living in Basrah (Iraq) today. In fact most of the Shi'is of Basrah are Shaykhis.
Shaykhism would not attract more views. RUclipsrs make money through their talent. If the efforts are not yielding any gains then why would anyone waste his time.
Could be an interesting subject! Would have to do more research firsr though!
@@LetsTalkReligion I’ve always been interested in shaykism, hit a dead end when trying to research.
The work you put into research and the matter-of-fact way you present the material is excellent. Thank you.
It strikes me that the history of mankind is filled with religions which claim to be the truth. Each one is supposedly the perfect way of worshiping and understanding God and yet they all schism and they all break into many factions. These factions usually hate and persecute each other, whilst each one makes an identical claim, that only their way is the right way. As has been said before, they cannot all be right be they could all be wrong
This propensity for division seems to indicate that all religions are man made. There are many versions of God but why would any of them make belief so complicated?
According to the Bahá'í teachings, the parts of religion that divide are created by the followers of religion, not by the original teachings. Most of the schisms developed soon after the passing of the various prophets, when certain individuals attempted to wrest power and authority for themselves (or had it assigned to them by the followers, as when Umar campaigned for Abu Bakr to succeed Muhammad). Although there are claims of authoritative successorship (Christ naming Peter as the rock upon which the community would be built, or the Shi'ih Islam claim that upon his deathbed Muhammad named Ali), they were ignored or challenged and that is where the division began.
Knowing the importance of uniting the world in its transition to maturity and to globalism, Bahá'u'lláh sought to avoid this and revealed a document as a last will and testament in which He clearly identifies that His eldest son 'Abdu'l-Baha was the authority to which all should turn. 'Abdu'l-Bahá also left a will and testament, naming his grandson Shoghi Effendi. Naturally, there were some who contested these (humans are notoriously bad learners), but the documents were ruled legally binding by the courts of the time. After almost two centuries, the worldwide Bahá'í community continues to be united in its endeavours and its organization.
Also, the "spiritual teachings" of all religions agree: love, compassion, generosity, forgiveness, prayer, fasting, truthfulness, kindness, etc. The "social teachings" are what tend to divide people: diet, marriage, divorce, burial, inheritance, dress, etc. You would think we would be perceptive enough to realize that the one category transcends time and place, and so would be more indicative of how we should behave toward each other. But when people tend to seek power and influence, they invariably turn to matters of difference in order to divide, influence, and conquer.
@@pathfinder1273 I must admit to knowing very little about the Bahá'í faith and I thank you for what you have said.
However, whilst I can agree that division comes after the prophets and is caused by men, the prophets themselves are not without fault.
Although Peter was named as the authority after Jesus, it was Paul, who never met Jesus, who began what we call Christianity, which fits with your idea. But even Jesus, always hailed as loving and kind, could also be harsh and cruel. In the Bible he refuses to treat a sick women because she is not a Jew. He offers the analogy of giving your child's food to the dogs. Deeply unpleasant.
Take the Quran as an example. It tells Muslims to love and it tells them to kill. It says to honour people of the book (Christians and Jews) and to fight them.
To believe that Islam is only about love and about all the good things you listed is to seriously misunderstand it. There is love and there is compassion but there is also a dark side that comes not from misinterpretation but from a direct reading of the Quran.
It is significant that moderates and fundamentalists treat the Quran the same but from opposite perspectives. Each cherry pick the parts they wish to follow or ignore but they select different passages. And each accuse the other of not being 'real' Muslims.
But Islam is not alone in this. Sadly, the same is true of many other religions.
I really must learn more about the Bahá'í faith. I have been meaning to for some time and you have prompted me. Thank you.
Looking forward to this
Very well done! I look forward to watching the next part. I was raised an active and studious Baha’i, and I have studied it since moving on to other things. I wonder about the chronology of the Bab’s references to He Whom God Shall Make Manifest. I need to look into that question. As for the martyrdom miracle, word of that seems to have surfaced first in Tehran rather than Tabriz. I also need to look further into that.
Just curious, what makes you say "surfaced first in Tehran"? From my understanding there are news clippings from the Iranian government and outside media that was there when it took place
@@stylicho I’m not aware of any news clippings from the days immediately following, but putting that aside, when I say Tehran, that is where the central government was, but that is not where the event occurred. My impression was that the narrative advocated by Baha’is may have emerged from Tehran and not Tabriz.
The narrative emerged from hundreds of eye witnesses, including an Irish doctor who was present in Tabriz at the execution. There were news reports of it at the time.
@@susansheper I’d love to see the primary sources.
Thank you very much.
There are 19 months in a year in Bahai;s faith, and 19 days in each month and 4 celebration days to make a year 365 days.
Unless it's a leap year...lol. Then they get one more day of "Ha".
🎂 thank you for your videos I have never heard of this religion
I have only minor corrections for this presentation, based on the book, An INtroduction to Shii ISlam, by Moojan Momen, which I am now studying in an online class. This book was pulished in 1985 by Yale Univ. Press, so I expect it to be on your book shelf. This might explain why you are basically correct? A couple of your mistakes are points that we students had to discss in combination with other texts to get a better understanding of the nuances of the evolution of the teachings of the Bab from the surrounding communites of the 3 dominant groups of Shii at that time. So, good job. I am sure you will become a prof. in a record time.
Moojan Momen is a Baha'i loyal to the Baha'i administration. He is not an academic.
Very interesting. Respect for Bhai log. 🙏
New religions are always so mystical and intriguing to people.
Declaration of the Báb (evening of May 22, 1844)
"The Lord of the universe hath never raised up a prophet nor hath He sent down a Book unless He hath established His covenant with all men, calling for their acceptance of the next Revelation and of the next Book ..." The Báb
Unfortunately, I have been unable to obtain a copy of the Bab's "revealed" book, The Bayan. Were you able to obtain one, and how? The Baha'i Publishing Trust has many books about the Bayan, but not the book itself. I have a PDF copy of the Persian Bayan from the Iranian library of congress, but would love the printed "official" copy of the Persian and the Arabic Bayan, to make sure the Iranian Mullahs have not corrupted the text. I love your videos. This one seems to be based on the Baha'i version of events, which sometimes contradicts the historical record. For example, Naseruddin's nephew attended Bab's trial, and his letter to the court states that he recanted his claims and begged forgiveness. I don't know if you have access to Ahmad Kasravi's history of Shiism, Sheykhism, Babism, and Baha'ism, (particularly in English) but that book is more in accord with the historical record. Baha'is, particularly Iranian ones, are threatened with excommunications if they are caught reading the hundred-year-old book. Baha'is from the rest of the world are ignorant of its existence.
Have you found it? I’m interested
I am a Buddhist, but I have a Bahai-like view, especially when it comes to God. And since the Bahai Faith considers Buddhism to be a theistic religion, this makes me feel more at ease. Because I believe Bahai's know more about Buddhism than the "buddhist" that practice the faith
Yeah I am not sure outsiders of a completely new religious movement know alot about a foreign religion such as Buddhism than surface level knowledge considering the buddha never taught the teachings on any god or neither was he a prophet
@@miguelatkinsonBahai's believe that Baha'u'llah was Buddha. They are the same great teacher who returns at times to teach us.
The cyclical time and the esoteric interpretation of Qiyamah (minor and major) seem like they were ripped right out of Ismailism
@MrUnstableTable Most of the things you've believed all your life were "ripped right out" of your parents. Does that make those beliefs invalid? Does that make your parents more genuine or special than you? All truth comes from God and is revealed to humans through various agencies. There is no copyright on truth. To imply that the Báb plagiarized these concepts is irrelevant. Otherwise, we must imply that the Ismailis ripped them right out of Islam. The point is, all knowledge comes from God, revealed either directly or indirectly.
@@pathfinder1273 Ismailis are Neoplatonists though, not pure Muslims.
It’s so crucial that Imam is Living and Munifest and He Guides His community without intermediarys of Bab or Hujjat Dai Ma’zun or Mustajib there were the times where the Faithfuls followed Chain of Command but no anymore.
Qur'an: "Neither too soon, nor too late, shall a people reach its appointed time-Then sent we our apostles one after another. Oft as their apostle presented himself to a nation, they treated him as a liar; … And truly this, your religion, is the one religion"
Very informative
Hello👋
07:23.... witness protection program? Why is his face blurred out?
because since he is accepted as a prophet, and Babism and Baha'ism coming out of Shia Islamic culture, you are not to publicly display or make a graven image of a prophet or God (in Islam and Judaism, they too adhere to this idea of not making images of prophets).
@@josephpetrone7631 but they claim to be different religîon and they don't accept quran and sharia either but hide face of prøp-hèt. Weird
Why treat a prophet like god herself.
@@friendlyatheist9589 they do accept the Quran, though maybe not the Sharia or Hadith since new laws. They believe Baha’i scriptures continue the Quran not replace and so many customs continue such as not creating images of god or prophets. I used to attend Baha’i gatherings when I was young, only Abdul’baha’s image was shown because they see him as the perfect example for all Baha’i people.
His choice to blur the Bab's face is actually quite interesting from a Baha'i standpoint (I think). On one hand, we Baha'is do not display photos of the Bab or Baha'u'llah in our places of worship or in our homes. But our reason is not that it is disrespectful--at least not in an angry "Charlie Hebdo" sort of way. Baha'is are strictly non-violent and do not insist that anyone (even other Baha'is) MUST follow Baha'i laws or principles. If someone disrespects us, we're advised to try our hardest to look past it and re-engage on points of common agreement. But we believe that any images of the Manifestations could potentially become like idols or "graven images" to us and so we are advised against displaying them in our homes, in dramatic performances, on jewelry, etc. Let's Talk Religion may not realize this and may simply be erring on the side of respectfulness. Or perhaps the Azalis (the Babis who do not recognize Baha'u'llah) possess a more extreme view. I admit, I don't know much about the Azalis.
Its the respectful thing to do, look at the image of jesus and how grossly incorrect that interpretation of his image is. It is also to do with not idolising his personage, allowing Baha'is to focus on His teachings rather then Him incarnant, it is very Humble in my opinion. Baha'is are able to photos of Baha'u'llahs son Abdul-Baha. As he is the example in which Baha'i refer to and he himself is not a manifestation of God.
As a Bahá'í for the past 60 years, I'm impressed! Even your Persian pronunciation is excellent. I would disagree that the Bábí Faith is separate from the Bahá'í Faith. I'm not sure it even exists anymore, although I suppose there may be a few left. But the Báb was consistent throughout His writings that He was the Gate to the coming Manifestation, and He even mentioned the dates and His name: Bahá'u'lláh, one of His prominent followers before He made His own declaration in 1863. Around 98% of the Bábís became Bahá'ís, having accepted Bahá'u'lláh as the one the Báb promised. But thank you for this background, which I have been reading about lately and which many Bahá'ís could benefit from, too.
The Bab explicitly appointed Subh-i-Azal as his successor.
@@NaserEmtesali sort of. He named him the nominal head of His Faith to keep attention of the ecclesiastical and government authorities away from Bahá’u’lláh. Don’t even get me started about him. He never led anything nor did he write anything worth reading.
@@wendyscott8425 The Bab never appointed Mirza Yahya as a scapegoat to diverge attention away from Baha'u'llah. There is not a shred of evidence in the Bab's works to show this and this is merely a baseless Baha'i claim. In fact, according to the Bab, Mirza Yahya was God Almighty Himself and he refers to him in his will in this manner: Verse 1: "Name of Azal, testify that there is no God but I, the dearest beloved." Verse 2: "Then testify that there is no God but you, the victorious and permanent."
@@NaserEmtesali LOL Whatever. Of course, you were THERE, right? And you talked to Azal himself and heard him spout this nonsense. If he said all that, he was lying, of course. His envy was showing. He wanted the believers to admire him as much as they admired his older half-Brother. Yahyá spent a lot of his days in hiding, afraid of persecution. Bahá'u'lláh went to a lot of trouble to raise him to be a decent human being. Well, THAT didn't work. It's a great comfort to the rest of us who might have raised children in the Faith, and yet they didn't accept it or left it after some time. If Bahá'u'lláh couldn't make His own half-brother into a good person, then we can't be held too responsible if our kids don't always turn out the way we'd like.
Believe what you like, Naser, you always do. And post anything you can that opposes the latest Manifestation of God, which history shows always happens, doesn't it? You, too, can be a part of history, one of those who did your best to discredit the new Revelation from God and tear it down. But it won't work, you know. It never does. In the end, the people come to know the new Manifestation, whose wise and loving teachings make perfect sense and are the solutions to the problems we face today. But who cares about _that,_ right? The world's problems are not _your_ problems, are they? Of course not.
@@wendyscott8425 You don't want to believe me? Go and check this
*The Primal Point’s Will and Testament*
Translation and Commentary
by: Sepehr Manuchehri
Research Notes in Shaykhi, Babi and Baha'i Studies,Vol. 7, no. 2 (September, 2004)
Just one correction. Baha'is believe that the Bab always knew he was the Qaim but even His own followers were not sufficiently prepared to fully understand this in the beginning. When the time was right He clarified the situation.
God Bless Everyone
You should make a video about neo paganism! Like about either a new resurgence of polytheism or a specific organization like asatru or the many Wiccan ones :)
Great subjects! I have a documentary on Asatru in Sweden on the channel, but I want to do more of that stuff eventually!
@@LetsTalkReligion I really enjoy your videos. They are well researched, detailed, and objective.
I would love to see a video about Mithraism/Mithra. Also, Gnostic Christianity would be great as well.
Thanks for the work you do.
@@LetsTalkReligion I used to work for an international company that had an office near Malmö. I had a colleague who others described as neo-pagan, though she did not describe herself as such. Anyway, the company was totally supportive of her.
Can you make video on Mansur al Hallaj. Thanks
It's inevitable that I will make that video eventually :)
Well TIL.
Good man.
(15:10)
And what were those *revelations* that are kept top-secret to this date, please?
I am eager to know.
Baha'i here. If you want to know more about the Bab, I recommend read "The Gate of the Heart" by Nader Saieidi.
Or if you want to read the Bab's Writings available in English, there's a book called "Selections of the Writings of the Bab".
+1 for Nader Saiedi's work. I think Filip would also really enjoy Saiedi's book entitled "Logos and Civilization" which spends the first few chapters comparing and contrasting Baha'u'llah's ontological teachings with those of Sufis like Ibn Arabi.
Nader Saiedi has made some blunders, Abbas Teymouri explains in his critical study.
*A critical study on "Gate of the Heart" a book by Nader Saiedi*
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@@bahaiknowledgebank4413 Yup troll. Every time a book in the Baha'i Faith counters critics and disinformation a bunch of people try to nitpick it and argue one slight issue in one place invalidates the points made that are clearly valid and undisputed. The simple fact is that the Bab promised the imminent appearance of Baha'u'llah in multiple books and tablets and, furthermore, the persons the Bab promised would recognize Him Whom God Shall Make Manifest (including members of His family) all did recognize Baha'u'llah and became Baha'is. Moveover, 95% to 99% by various estimates of all Babis became Baha'is with no threat of force or anything other than exercising free will.
@@scotthakala9783 Did you see the videos? I am a troll or you?
@@bahaiknowledgebank4413 Yes on one. I don't know on the other for sure if you are a troll. There are mixed reviews on Nader's book, some are quite effusive with praise. Some nitpick certain points in Nader's book re interpretation of what the Bab was meaning, but not the relevant parts that relate to the Bab's promise of Baha'u'llah. Those are consistent with other texts and well-supported.
This makes me think , if the theory of day of judgement was to be true, humans would probably execute the masaiha before anything happen
I'm curious why you say this. In fact, there is truth in it, I believe. Consider "But no prophet came to them whom they made not the object of their scorn." (Qur'an 43:7). And of course, there is the fact that both Jesus and the Bab, who claimed to be messianic, were both executed - by the previous religion, no less. But I'd like to hear your understanding....
Glad us Sikhs dont believe in bullshit prophecies am I right?
@@pathfinder1273 People often see these supposed messianic figures as the causation of change in the status quo, rather than it being the exact opposite. They think by eliminating the supposed variable of causation they can in fact resist the change. That's my understanding. But in reality the messenger is just but a messenger. Change occurs regardless of whether people want to listen about it or not. Imo it's better to be prepared. 🙏
Love the faith and it's teaching
Here are some of the cult-like tendencies in the Baha'i Faith that are not found in other major religions:
1. Each Baha'i has a 'membership card' with a membership number.
2. Strict censorship and approval process for new books.
3. Punishments against individuals for perceived infractions include deprivation of voting rights and potential ostracism and shunning.
4. Ban on Baha'i Studies courses to prevent hierarchy formation perceived as a threat to the administrative structure.
5. Suppression of Baha'i academics who don't follow the party line and agenda.
6. Misuse of the notion of "unity" to silence and penalise divergent views.
7. Discouragement from reporting misconduct of individual members in the interests of "unity" and public image.
8. Selective translation of literature to control information and maintain a marketable narrative despite internal contradictions.
9. Revisionist edits in new editions of books (e.g. removal of failed prophecies and intolerant language).
10. Frequent fundraising for projects to enhance global image.
@@NaserEmtesaliyour whole account is dedicated to attacking a beautiful faith. Disgusting really
Very nice
The star shown 18 minutes and 10 seconds into this video might be suitable for a Blair Witch Christmas. BTW, I've always considered the Bah'ai Faith the least offensive of the Abrahamic religions. Even though it is very young, it should be added to the extant big three. It probably will be someday.
i just have one question, what religion are you? (this question is for everyone, but especially the youtuber of this video)
im muslim
@@AR-mg1qi I was raised christian, learned a lot about hinduism and like the teachings of buddhism.
Shaykh Ahmad and Sayyed Rashti warned shi'ites about the 4th pillar which is the old belief in the bab (+ the spiritual hierarchy leading to imam al Mahdi during his occultation), not that the bab will be a public figure or that the shaykhis had to find him physically. Shaykh Ahmad and Sayyed Rashti were pure shia twelvers. Firm in their love of the traditions from ahlul bayt.
The babis and bahais later came with the notion that the bab was also the 12th imam (+ a prophet) and the mohammadian/quranic shari'ah was abolished.
Shaykhis developpement was first against the usuli clergy then against the babi reinterpretation of the 4th pillar concept.
Archetype :
1. Believe in Allah
2. Believe in Prophethood (Mohammad)
3. Believe in Imamah ('Ali)
4. Believe in the Bab (Salman)
Each Imam is the Ali of his time and has a Salman (bab) with him. Imam of the Time is occulted so his bab. The bab communicates through an occulted hierarchy until it reach the lowest in rank i.e the true scholars (and not occulted), like Shaykh Ahmad al Ahsai.
The struggle between Babis and Shia clergy reminds me on struggle between Zoroastrian priests with Manicheans in Sassanian Persian Empire, only the differenece is that Babis were agressive and Manicheans were not. And ideas about world peace and unity of humanity were prophetized by Mani, so this is nothing new.
Yes, the Babis wanted to destroy everything that was non-Babi.
Allah'u'abha ! Love to be a baha'i now i knew the true purpose of my existend and love all humans 🙇🙇🙇🌷🌷🌷💖💖💙
Except the so-called Covenant-Breakers. Right?
Baha’is love Covenant Breakers too. This is Baha’i teaching. I hope and pray you can love Baha’is too.
@@iamaworldcitizenOutright lie.
_"There is no doubt that in a thousand passages in the sacred writings of Bahá'u'lláh the breakers of the Covenant have been execrated."_ (Abdul Baha)
(Quoted by Shoghi Effendi in God Passes By)
@@NaserEmtesali execrated definition: feel or express great loathing for.
@@stylicho Yes. And Prof. Juan Cole says:
*"UHJ member Hushmand Fatheazam once told me that a future Baha'i world government would put covenant breakers in jail!"*
Y the picture of Al sharazi was blurred?
I took a macrame after-school class from a woman who was of the Baha’i faith. She told me of some legend that the Bab was busy writing his writings during his execution. When the smoke cleared from the bullets, the Bab had disappeared and was back in his jail cell, continuing his writing. Her branch of Baha’i had a very eschatological view - that we are in the end times and seemed to believe that “pyramid prophecy” based on so-called prophetic interpretations in the building of the Great Pyramid somehow supported the Bahai’s eschatological timeline. Could you address these questions in a future video - legends regarding the Bab and how the Great Pyramid had something to do with some branch of the Bahai’s? I’ve heard that the Bahai faith has put out several end of the world dates, which have come and gone.
PS - I still have the macrame wall hanging that I made during this class.
There is no reference to the great pyramids in authentic Baha’i teachings.
There is no reference to the end time date either because Baha’is believe that “end times” refers to the end of the old world system:culture and the coming of a new, more united and peaceful world. The process is simultaneous and gradual. As we are seeing now. It looks like chaos as old institutions are found inadequate to meet the needs of this age and new ones emerge that do.
Allot of islamic movements came from outside Arabia especially in iran.
Could you make a video on the esoteric side of islam? Or hermetism in general would be cool.
I'm planning on doing more videos on the subject :)
@@LetsTalkReligion Also, could you do a video on Salafism? I've always been puzzled on how Salafis became so Influential in our day and age
Dylazz yeah me too!
@@LetsTalkReligion Would be nice to see more videos, in depth. Please cover the Azali-Baha'i conflict, the meaning of Ghiyath & Mustaghath and the Bab's guidelines to the Babis on how to recognize HWGSM.
@mesosa you should read "The Spirituality of Shi'i Islam" by Muhammad Amir Moezzi, amazing book on the subject (done in a scholarly manner)
Where's that list of Imams from? It looked really good
I originally saw it in a lecture by Khalil Andani. I think it can be found on one of the official Isma'ili websites. Naturally, it's a bit Ismaili-centered, but it's a great graph!
Why do you blur the face of The Bab in the video? I apologize for my ignorance in advance
Baha'i's and presumably Babi's regard physical representation of Manifestations of God as largely a distraction from the spiritual properties. The spiritual properties generally being better conveyed by Their conduct and words.
The body of Baha'u'llah was likened to the clouds obscuring the sun iirc ... Light and warmth make it through to some degree but it's an entirety different experience of the sun than on a clear day. Therefore reflecting upon a person's character is how to better know their spiritual being than seeing their bodies could be, presumably especially so of the most saintly or Divine persons.
That's my understanding anyhow.
Blessings to you and yours.
@Azal Abadi LOL. What? Jamal-i-Abha.
Same as propeth Muhammad, muslim get angry when people drawing him or claim some picture as him. Its same i think.
@@husainjavanda9785 No, its not like that. There are real photographs of Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah had passport, marriage certificates, he gave interviews to prominent orientalist Edward Browne who also took his photographs. There are his paintings - actually his face is not photogenic so he does not looks attractive in those photos.
@@seifazghandi1228 Here you go about *POISON*
*Baha'u'llah himself attempted to poison his rival (and his own half-brother) Subh-i-Azal. We have an account of this event from multiple sources:*
"It was in fact the Mírzá [i.e. Baha’u’llah] who had sought to poison His Holiness [Azal]. [On the day in question] Sultán Khánúm (entitled the Greatest Holy Leaf), who at the time was still a believer in her most august uncle [i.e. Azal], with blinks and glances, [when the food was brought out by the servants] indicated that that he [Azal] should not partake of the meal placed before him. When the Mírzá [i.e. Bahá’u’llah] insisted that His Holiness should eat, His Holiness refused, thereupon the aforementioned saw that His Holiness had become appraised of their evil intentions [i.e. to kill him], and therefore, in order to deflect attention [from the deed], he proceeded to eat a few portions from that plate of food himself. Immediately his [i.e. Baha’u’llah’s] state was overturned [i.e. he became violently ill]. He then threw the plate of food in the courtyard outside. In that yard there was a dog who immediately began to eat [the discarded food] and thereupon fell dead shortly thereafter. When the Mírzá beheld this scene, he was immediately embarrassed, and so sought out a physician. After regaining his health, he proceeded to spread rumours that His Holiness [Azal] had attempted to poison him." (The True Acccount of Takur of Nur, p. 43-44).
"The first juggle and trick of sorcery which he [i.e. Baha] outlined was this, that he brought to Hazrat-i Azal [i.e. Subh-i Azal] a dish of plain food, with one side of which he had mixed with some poison, intending to poison His Holiness. For hitherto the apportioned breakfast and supper of His Holiness the Fruit [Hazrat-i Thamara, one of the titles conferred on Subh-i Azal by the Point] had been from the house of Mirza Husayn Ali [i.e. Baha]. When that poisoned dish was placed before His Holiness, Mirza Husayn Ali pressed him to partake of it. By a fortunate chance the smell of onions was perceptible in the food, and His Holiness, being averse to taste it. Mirza Husayn Ali continued to press him urgently to eat. He replied, “it smells of onions, I will not eat it; if it is so good, eat it yourself. From this answer Mirza Husayn Ali supposed that His Holiness had divined his evil design, and, simply put the view of disguising the truth and putting a better appearance on the matter, ate a little from the other side [i.e. the unpoisoned side] of the dish, in order that the suspicion of His Holiness might perhaps be dispelled and he might eat the poisoned side. But His Holiness, because of the smell of onion would not eat." (Hasht Bihisht, p. 304-305).
Love the way you say this was "the most significant event in the last few centuries" 😂🤣
Care to elaborate on your comment?
The Bobism 😂 followers on Bob... I'm trying to be considerate and respectful but this is just too funny
And in russian “bab” sounds a lot like «баба» (literally “wench”) btw
It only works in American English.
I understand that Neal is a big fan of Bobism...
The name is the Bab meaning the gate. He was the forerunner to the prophet founder of the Baha’i Faith, Baha’u’llah.
Don't know about Bobism, but I'd probably become a follower of Marshmallowism if Marshmallow from Bob's Burgers ever starts a religion.
She is Truly Free.
Great video
Would be great if you put all religions and faith in chronological order from the oldest Judaism to the last new religion…
it goes so much deeper than a simple schism of islam then most people know huh
Is Babism still active or alive?
Yes, but there are VERY few of them. Some say only a few hundred. Not sure though.
I wonder would they feel comfortable view themselves as still legitimate Muslim based on their allegiance to Al-Mahdi? Lol
And do they resides in one particular region ? Or somehow all over too ?
Some estimates are as many as 1000. There are a few outside of Iran, limited actual practice of the religion (They don't seem to consistently or accurately follow the Persian Bayan, which is the primary book of laws in the Babi religion.). T
hey practice generally "dissimulation" which means concealing true beliefs, especially in Iran. The most active one online is misleading because he really was a former Baha'i who left in 1995, claimed to be a leader of a Sufi sect, then later changed his name and made some "claims" and promotes a number of conspiracy theories.
Various sources suggest 95% to 99% of all Babis that survived to the 1870s became Baha'is. This is because Baha'u'llah so clearly fulfilled certain promises of the Bab wherein the Bab hinted at Baha'u'llah's title and the timing of His appearance as the Messenger of God and declaration. A "Tablet" to the thirteenth letter of the living, Mulla Baqir, promised the appearance of Promised One and that the Mulla would meet and recognized Him. Mulla Baqir met and recognized Baha'u'llah as promised by the Bab, so the evidence was pretty decisive that Baha'u'llah had to be the greater Messenger who would soon appear after the Bab. In fact, the rejection of Baha'u'llah is viewed as a violation of the Covenant of the Bab set forth in the Bab's Persian Bayan by some sources.
@@LetsTalkReligion Your source for present Babi numbers obviously comes from Baha'is who minimize these numbers as part of their discursive strategy of attempting to claim to the public at large that they won their conflict against the Bayani community and its adherents. But facts are otherwise. Shoghi Effendi went on record in his God Passes By claiming that no Babis existed at all, which is then as it is now a bald faced lie. Until recently the Baha'is were publicly claiming that I am the only Babi in existence, which is quite a claim.
Be that as it may, and contrary to representations made to you, there are far, far more than a few hundred Babi adherents in the world. The bulk of the community are in Iran. But there are a few thousand Bayanis (i.e. Babis) living among the Iranian diaspora in the West who (just as in Iran) exercise the discipline of the arcane (taqiya) and do not reveal their beliefs. My personal strategy is not to dissimulate, but other Bayani adherents who have family and acquaintances in Iran are forced to because not only would they be targeted by the regime but they have also been targeted by Baha'is. Also, there is well-placed suspicion among the Bayani community that the Baha'is and the IRI regularly collude with one another. Let me give you an example.
A few years ago, and against my advice, a member of the Iranian Bayani community in Iran came to Facebook and began debating the Baha'is. This person used a filter breaker and was posting anonymously. Within a few short months, however, they were summoned by the Iranian ministry of intelligence to an interrogation for their Facebook posts even though this person was debating and arguing against Baha'is and not the present system in Iran. This person was held in custody for 73 hours without charge and then released. Who other than the Bahaís would have an interest in hacking this individual (to find out who they were) and then reporting them to the IR authorities other than the Baha 'is? After all millions of Iranians log in to Facebook everyday. Many of them even seasoned dissidents. Why this individual, a Bayani (Azali Babi)? I will tell you why, because the Baha'is find the very existence of the Bayani community a threat to themselves and when given the opportunity they do anything - including collude with the mullahs - to put the lives and livelihoods of Azali Babis in jeopardy, as they have time and again, while singing human rights swans songs in the West feigning persecution (and under a regime they have actually thrived under) and claiming to people like yourself that we, the Bayani community, do not exist or have meager numbers.
I use this story to illustrate why the Bayani community is not interested in playing the inflated numbers game (together with its perception management) that Baha'is like to play. We are out there and our numbers are substantial. We are merely waiting for the day that the regime in Iran is no more and Anglo-Zionist imperialism (which has consistently supported Bahaism) is also a footnote to history.
@@LetsTalkReligion There are 1000s of Babis in Iran alone, most living in dissimulation as Shi'i Muslims. They are powerful and hold positions in the government. One of my close contact says that it is the Babis who are behind the persecution of the Baha'is in Iran. Don't know how true this is!