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@@x8jason8x haha my spelling can be quite off sometimes. The video gets a good spell check, but most other things are at the mercy of my barely literate brain!
Yup it was! I really do see invida doing subs for there GPU's they are just greedy. but I mean the only reason AMD or Intell isn't is just becasue they aren't market king. whoever is market king is greedy. It's a broken system
I will never subscribe to a service for my rendering. If Nvidia and AMD stop making GPU then I will just buy a GPU from any manufacturer in any country that does still make them and sell them.
Thing is this is coming to software to. Right now almost all 3d rendering software is a subscription base... In architecture there ain't a single BIM software that isn't subscription, opencad is literally decades behind, at least 2 or 3 decades. The good news for you is Blender wich took the 3ds Max/Maya/4d oligopoly from the lead and is completly open source. It has been a beacon for me while paying the bim suits subscription =(
This is why I'm collecting books, tbh. I'd rather sell my PC and stop gaming completely than subscribed to a service just to get the full performance out of something. And like previous commenter: I will buy from any manufacturer that allows me to skip the subscription part and just get the hardware I paid for.
@@GeneralS1mba I actually expect first decent Chinese GPU at the end of this year, or beginning of the next. Not something in the rank of 4090, but good enough for budget gamers.
I've been saying game publishers are going to do the same thing in the future and break big AAA games into chunks and telling us in order to progress in a game that'll be another $20 please akin to going to an arcade and constantly pumping coins into the machine.
@@lunarvvolf9606 While I agree with most of what you said big storage devices can get really expensive and cost more than a whole console at times so I can understand where people are coming from there but that being said Bungie could have made a separate download for legacy content and dlc. I've been playing Destiny since the beginning and I still play Destiny 2 for free. I bought the base Destiny 2 for PS4 and I've only played Destiny 2 for free on PC along with getting the 30th anniversary dlc and Legacy collection from Epic for free. So basically I haven't paid Bungie anything for Destiny 2 on PC.
Last year, I built a gaming PC from inexpensive parts. When it came time to decide on a GPU, I looked at my budget, and decided that I wanted a card with decent gaming performance, AV1 encoding, and a moderate amount of VRAM. Of all the $200 options, of which there was ONE, I bought an ARC A750. It runs the games I play without issues. Not the card for everyone, but that is part of the fun of building computers. My small contribution to not feeding the beast(s).
@@pyro226theres always going to be a beast. Its about balancing the market and inspiring real competition which will ultimately benefit the consumer. If you keep feeding the 1 company that overcharges they have no incentive to stop fucking you over.
Software and feature subscriptions should be illegal unless there is an option to get unlimited access for a one time fee of 24 or so monthly subscription fees. The worst I saw so far is BMW requiring a subscription for heated seats. So you had to pay a monthly fee to keep you butt warm in a car you own. After a public outrage they had to take that back. It was quite a PR disaster for them.
I have different thought. Moores law is slowing down, GPU's and CPU's become limited by their power consumption. Performance gains between generations of hardware becomes minimal. And when industry stops developing new technologies - anyone can enter the market using same silicon factories. Its like car industry: at first they were a rare luxury, but now any coutry can produce their own car. And GPU manufacturers will folow same steps: planned degradation with minimal repairability to force you buy more.
I'm on a 1660 Super right now, but I'm waiting to see what Battlemage brings before making a decision on my next card. I've switched a ton of times between AMD and nVidia over the years - it's good not to be a brand loyalist but look at what you're actually getting for your money
The worse monopoly these tech giants have (that NO ONE TALKS ABOUT!) is the monopoly on talented people who can build these amazing products. Without these people, there won't be any competition. The engineers at NVidia (and other tech giants) should leave the company and work together to create an open-source version of the product (or simply non-subscription version). The issue is: can you really tell someone, who has grinded through the education system with flying marks, crammed way more knowledge into the brain than that poor organ is ever evolved to take, and worked tirelessly just to get to the current position, to just pack up and leave? And live in a matchbox eating cheap food, just to code day-and-night 'for the community'? Let's even ignore whether this type of people exists (in quantity that will matter). If you think you are on the right team, you've got to have an answer for this question.
I went with Radeon and regret it. Feels like I got outdated hardware. Also the dedicated GPU market Nvidia still has around 90 percent. The Steam hardware survey includes integrated graphics.
Here I was hoping that this video was going to talk about AMD's monster APU that is being released like (a year from now?). The one that allegedly will compete woth low-end GPUs.
I went AMD after Nvidia false advertised Gsync as working seamless with SLi when in fact they knew from internal testing it did not. They still kept saying they where going to fix it and its just a bug stringing me on for over 2 years till they dropped support for SLi. AMD was stringing me along about fixing a bug with Miscreated and RDNA2 that is now going over 2 years. AMD is no longer working on the problem it will never be fixed.
@@wikwayer - That is a deep thought. Yes, I can save myself by not buying, and finding another hobby until prices come down (and I did, I tried a gardening hobby for the last three years). But that is kind of the point of the Host’s video. If we all not buy, prices would / should go down. As I stated, you cannot save people from themselves. So, prices will not be dropping, and actually will be going up. Thus, we are all doomed when it comes to GPU prices. We won’t even go into the lack of competition aspects of this. So, when you say, “Forget about the “we” and you may save “yourself”, you are correct. Personally, I am giving up, and giving in after THREE to FOUR years of waiting for things to get better. I am considering an RTX 4090 purchase. “FTW”!
I recently went AMD RX 6750 XT as an upgrade to 1660 ti. Couldn't be happier, was not going to buy a 3060 and the 3070 didn't interest me at pricing. A CPU upgrade from 3600 to 5600X3D and I was in heaven on a budget. Still can't see myself upgrading to anytime in the next 12mo.
This is similar to how printer brands like hp and canon having cheap printers but expensive ink, while other brands like epson that have expensive printers but cheap ink. Making epson the cheaper choice for printing in the long run.
After buying the 7800xt, I don't think I'll ever need to buy another GPU again or get one of these subscription things. Paired with a 13600kf I can get about 100fps in just about every popular game of late, except alan wake 2, so if I then stick AFMF on I can get just about 200fps in every game which is just a dream. Escape from Tarkov in 160-200fps is a thing of beauty.
I still have not used steam and boycotted them when they forced online checks to play a game I owned. If everyone did what I did we wouldn't be here now.
Currently, I'm building a computer for the first time, and I would have preferred to put an Arc Series GPU in it. However, the machine learning programs that I use for work ***Require*** NVIDIAs GPU architecture. And that's the big problem, is that for data science and AI based tasks, all of the software is primarily built on the NVIDIA architecture and it's a pain to deal with.
Phone industry is already going a similar way, so it wouldn't surprise me to see any of the GPU companies doing subscriptions for software. I mean that's if they don't just do things like GeForce now...
The problem is they don't need us anymore. When you can sell an equivalent amount of silicone to some company for 40 to 60k, They really could care less anymore about the gamer until the A.I. bubble pops. And I don't see that happening anytime soon!
I'm hoping it pops within the next 3 to 5 years. Machine learning is currently very good at classifying data, but it struggles moreso with generating accurate data. Between customizing architectures for AI workloads and the limited rate of progress, demand will eventually stabilize, similar to the way that super computers aren't eating 100% fab capacity.
Interesting stuff. Screw all this subscription stuff. It's everywhere now. Monthly fees for everything we do. I subscribe to Photoshop only because I have to. I don't care to learn another program, that I haven't been using for the last 28 years. I've always been an AMD guy though, and I think the midrange GPU market is where it's at, so I'm excited to see the 8800 XT arrive. I was hoping that before the world becomes dystopian, that I could build a powerful enough Ai computer, to outthink the oncoming destruction of society, lol. It's pretty far gone already.
I switched to AMD and have no regrets, but completely agree, buying from Nvidia at this point in time is empowering them to really screw up the market. In the long term it wont be good for PC gamers. We have more power than we think, they can ignore our voices but we can vote with our wallets, the power to change the market lies with us.
Never said I was, and choosing AMD was just the less of all evils. Like he said in the video AMD or Intel would probably do the same if they were in Nvidia's position. The whole point of the video was to get across the message that we need healthy competition to keep the industry somewhat fair for consumers because if any one of these companies become the main company for graphics cards then it wont be good for us PC Gamers, as they will abuse that power as their main concern is making money @@ZackSNetwork
Well the problem here is that gamers think they are the big deal in terms of hardware and electronics..But the private market it so small compared to the industry and Im not talking about AI. Yes, vote with your wallet, thats how it should be and I did too, but dont think it means anything moneywise for Nvidia. They only care cause they have the policy of being the best in every sector.
Gaming will become entirely AI server based. It's coming. AI is growing SOO fast. I saw a video today showing near perfect AI generated video that had crazy accuracy and could transition seamlessly and even provide multiple camera angles of the same scene etc. AI video that was the nightmare fuel just a few years ago has already became near perfect with unlimited capabilities.
@@xugo91 Nope. A little greed is healthy. Desire for power is the problem, money is a tool of that, currently, and greed is used against people in the form of FOMO specifically, in the PC community.
You are **so** incredibly cool (AND a cat lover to boot!! 😻😻😻). 👍🏼 I began watching with your Nvidia/AMD switch videos, and I subscribed to the channel then. Your comments about the corporate f*ckery that's currently taking place (and where it's most likely headed in the not-too-distant future) are as insightful as they are chilling. (80% of the reason I'm subscribed to Gamers Nexus is to listen to Steve rail about Nvidia. 😆) Keep the hits coming. If enough of you hold their feet to the fire, maybe consumers will eventually take a stand and things will change for the better. Meanwhile, I'm a proud and satisfied ARC A770 owner and anxiously waiting for Battlemage to come to market. Stay safe and be well. EDIT: Typo Management
i could have already done that but i am not. i mean there are some game streaming services out there already. the problem is that i don't really game often enough and when i do, the games are usually esport titles that could probably run wo a gpu.
Capitalism has realized that the most profitable thing is to make everything a subscription. Even if we all try our best in this framework, we are only delaying the inevitable. This doesn't just go for PC parts, it goes all the way to how we have to preserve our whole planet.
I'm fairly certain that feature is aimed more at crypto miners and generative AI farms, as opposed to the general consumer nor a prosumer, however that does not excuse this kind of "you will own nothing and you will like it" approach to product sales even if it's at the commercial level.
I vote with my wallet. Both nvidia 4000 and amd 7000 series are trash and I won't be spending money on any of them. Hope my 3080 will last as long as my 1080ti.
I see what you are saying, and whilst there will be a huge number of suckers holding this up - i guarantee, you give me any hardware for free and lock some features behind a paywall, I will be cracking that sucker wide open and sharing a how-to across all my high seas sailing friends.
this just optional right? free for those that want it with all the gotchas and caveats, while the normal paid for versions are still available correct? the more things change, the more they stay the same...
I will not buy this, and neither will most people I think. So game devs will be forced to make games for older hardware that we allready have for a few years until we starve these guys out.
Yeah it's nuts 16gb card from ngreda in 2023 is 800 bucks. Keeping my vega 56 longer I want a next gen and or Intel card. Like a 8800xt 16gb for say 400 bucks
GPUs are already subscription based, but you pay the subscription to the bank for the loan you took it to buy the overpriced GPU especially in not so wealthy parts of the world like Eastern-Europe. That future is already here and you don't have to time travel to 2030. Knock-knock. Good Morning guys!
Hahaha. Saving up in Hungary for a GPU. Lowest GDP per capita in Europe with highest taxes in the world. You are so funny. We barely make it to month-month as an average worker here. 50-70%!!! of the paycheck goes in to food-housing and its the default here. Look up the median income. 13k/year is a baller paycheck here and a mid range GPU for example 4070 Ti Super costs 1200$ with 27% VAT[highest in the world](I just bought one) Yeah just save up... :DDDD We ain't having a life here in Eastern-Europe like you guys in first world countries. /rant over@@AlexWinExperiments
as always, nvidia doesnt give a rats ass about budget gamers. if you spend 600+, then nvidia will happily provide you decent quality products with features and energy efficency. Below that it's AMDs and now a bit Intels territory. If you want a budget card for 1080p gaming they have the best value for pure fps performance across the board. But to cry out to Nvidia they should deliver better budget cards goes against their market strategy. They want the whales, they want the big fishes. If they get a guy to pay 600 for a 4070 super, AMD needs 2 buyers for a 6700xt (roughly speaking). That's marketing. So while you sit here and say "they are losing customers" which is technically right, they arent losing money. As long AMD and Intel arent delivering top GPUs with all features every game has to offer and heavily undercut Nvidia, none of them will ever push nvidia from their throne.
but how much power would be needed to render images in a 2k monitor? i mean .... if every generation double their power then in one or two generations more we would have something so powerful that only bad optimized gamed would be the cause of bad graphics.
Im convinced that they already have the tech of the next 5 generations already at least they just delay it to milk the customers as much as they can with marketing gimmicks and resolutions. The next milestone will be 4k 165hz, then 240, then 500, then we get something like DLSS again, then we jump to 8k 60hz and so on, but trust me they could already release most of these like RIGHT NOW and they will force you out of 2k resolution in the next 10 years, 100%.
In regard of where Nvidia is heading and how they treat their AIBs, customers and youtubers I had to put my money where my mouth is and bought a Sapphire 7900xtx nitro+. It would just feel so weird and dirty knowing I supported Nvidia by buying something from them. For me it seems they are becoming one of those big global scumbag companies. Most casual gamers are not that interested in hardware I guess, so they wouldnt know this stuff (unless the prices are super high like rn), but if a company behaves in such a agressive monopolistic and anti consumer way, morality becomes a big factor in my decisionmaking for a purchase.
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No need to. Even mobile phone tiny GPU can deliver realistic graphics today. I'm sure that if graphics card manufacturers are going to do some subscription garbage, there will be game developers that don't want to support that.
By now, the 4060 and the 4070 easily should have been on top of the Steam chart. Nvidia literally didn't need the money from these GPUs. They needed the tension and the image to boost their AI business up to that sweet trillion and become a key player in the upcoming race. Gaming is previous gen to them. And, yeah, maybe they'll mellow a bit real soon, but I am glad they made me try AMD for a change (absolutely loving the 7800 XT, that being just my opinion of course). I really hope my next GPU could be from Intel, too, because it's fun not to get screwed as a gamer and to try different technology.
Honestly, the only issue I have now with switching to AMD is the fact that they don't have an equivalent card to the 4090 in terms of raw performance (I barely use RT if at all). I've been waiting for AMD to put out a 4090 equivalent so I can purchase that and be done switching, but it seems they've all but dropped the high-end now. That would mean that I have no choice but to pick a 4090 instead, despite me not really wanting to, just because I want the best performance for raw game raster performance. It is truly depressing IMO. I have been waiting for so long now.
Yeah man, 4090 is just stupid expensive. Imagine paying that much for a gpu, its a rip off. Just get a midrange card and upgrade next gen. But if you dont care about wasting money then go ahead i guess.
What do you think you need a 4090 equivalent for? A 7900xtx user is objectively not getting any less fidelity than a 4090 user in 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999% of games... I don't understand this 4090 (or equivalent) obsession, truly. Y'all do realize you don't need more than 16gb for gaming right? For people that want to stream and play on the same rig, or multitask, a 7900xt or hopefully battlemage will do the job easily. If all you play is MFS and CP77, sure the 4090 is great. As long as it doesn't catch fire or crack from the absurd weight.
A subscription to a gpu isn't free what a dumb thumbnail, and the assumption that this is going to be the very next gpu after their current one is also stupid.
i'ma say this here. you are beating a dead horse. adoredtv has be saying this for the past decade and no one is listening. he gave up and now says gamers are getting what they are asking for.
Wow this video is TOTALLY FALSE. First, by gross income, its Nvidia 54% to AMD 46% with Intel down in the noise and not profitable. You forgot that the steam survey is a tiny slice of the GPU market, console sales are almost as large as total desktop GPU sales ... AMD owns that market ...
I think you misunderstood the premise. The video was talking about GPUs, specifically looking at PC Gamers (GPU breakdown, sentiment, past behavior and the scary reality of what's likely going to happen next in the market... Based on previous experiences and other industries). But a video talking about the companies as a whole could be interesting. Where did you get those figures from? hopefully you can link a source
Ugh, Louis? The misanthrope who can't seem to understand that scraping and aggregating copyrighted video streams is against terms of service? Or you could go watch some pro-union videos. That gives you something besides just bile to work with.
Wrong. The future us GPUs as a service. Your GPU requires a monthly subscription. 🙃 🤣🤣🤣 Nevermind. I guess you saw the same future I forsee. Had not watched the video prior to the original comment. 👍
I buy a GPU that’s best for my wallet, not for the performance. I paid about £400 for my RT 6750 XT OC which is ok, it does what I need. I am just a casual gamer, I don’t play to be competitive. I will not subscribe to a subscription service, I would rather scrap my pc than do that. It’s getting ridiculous, people’s spare cash is going down ⬇️, but they think nothing of putting up ⬆️the prices. You will see the sales of GPU’s start to decline.
Regulators are always going after companies. Nothing new. And it doesn't mean that corporations do anything wrong. The government's always trying to get money so they can spend it. Nvidia actually has been the true underdog over the years. And you can hate me for saying that. AMD has CPUs gpus and consoles consoles amongst other server stuff. Intel the same. Nvidia has always had to be aggressive to stay on top. Otherwise, they would go under like many other companies have in the past. Now there's more nuance to it than just that. But that is the truth. Nvidia invested a lot of money in their technology and it paid off. Consumers don't really care about much of what goes on in the corporate world. They just want a product that works and does what they want it to do. And that would be RTX GPUs. It's funny how everyone's always talking bad about Nvidia. But no one ever talks about AMD having a monopoly on the consoles. And yeah handhelds don't count. But AMD has a lot of their chips in those too. The future is AI and subscription services. Ugghh.
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Hey, you spelled dystopia wrong on the chapter label... or maybe you did it on purpose? 🤔😂
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@@soundspark They have treated my audience well and I've never had an issue, with over a dozen keys bought personally on multiple accounts.
I also see the comments of people using the service based on the sponsor spot and the only common negative thing is that the website could use modernizing.
For me, It mostly breaks down to - If they provide a service that my audience may appreciate and fulfill that service as described, I'm happy to work with them.
But I did a video about Tech Media ethics a while back if you would like to know more about my stance on common things like advertisements, sponsorships, reviews and biases.
@@x8jason8x haha my spelling can be quite off sometimes. The video gets a good spell check, but most other things are at the mercy of my barely literate brain!
@@TechLens Hey, I've been absolutely burned by typos in coding, so I get it lol.
The whole purpose of buying a PC was to skip the online subscription fee from ps5 and Xbox.
PC’s offer beyond more than just that.
@@ZackSNetwork Outside of gaming at least, If all you're trying to do is game I completely understand where console gamers are coming from.
Yup it was! I really do see invida doing subs for there GPU's they are just greedy. but I mean the only reason AMD or Intell isn't is just becasue they aren't market king. whoever is market king is greedy. It's a broken system
@@Timely7 we just need more players in the game that can actually compete. Nvidia actively sabatoges new players and competing players.
subscriptions are a cancer. "You will own nothing and be happy"
I will own everything and they'll be mad.
I will never subscribe to a service for my rendering. If Nvidia and AMD stop making GPU then I will just buy a GPU from any manufacturer in any country that does still make them and sell them.
Thing is this is coming to software to. Right now almost all 3d rendering software is a subscription base... In architecture there ain't a single BIM software that isn't subscription, opencad is literally decades behind, at least 2 or 3 decades. The good news for you is Blender wich took the 3ds Max/Maya/4d oligopoly from the lead and is completly open source. It has been a beacon for me while paying the bim suits subscription =(
This is why I'm collecting books, tbh. I'd rather sell my PC and stop gaming completely than subscribed to a service just to get the full performance out of something. And like previous commenter: I will buy from any manufacturer that allows me to skip the subscription part and just get the hardware I paid for.
Don't worry, Chinese are developing their own GPUs, and you could get pirated games from Russia 😁😋
@@aleksazunjic9672Chinese GPUs will be crap for a while.
@@GeneralS1mba I actually expect first decent Chinese GPU at the end of this year, or beginning of the next. Not something in the rank of 4090, but good enough for budget gamers.
@@aleksazunjic9672 Maybe a580 competitor at best or something.
@@GeneralS1mba I expect something in the range of 6600xt or rtx 3060.
I've been saying game publishers are going to do the same thing in the future and break big AAA games into chunks and telling us in order to progress in a game that'll be another $20 please akin to going to an arcade and constantly pumping coins into the machine.
@@lunarvvolf9606 While I agree with most of what you said big storage devices can get really expensive and cost more than a whole console at times so I can understand where people are coming from there but that being said Bungie could have made a separate download for legacy content and dlc. I've been playing Destiny since the beginning and I still play Destiny 2 for free. I bought the base Destiny 2 for PS4 and I've only played Destiny 2 for free on PC along with getting the 30th anniversary dlc and Legacy collection from Epic for free. So basically I haven't paid Bungie anything for Destiny 2 on PC.
More people should see your video. Great job and I agree 100%.
Last year, I built a gaming PC from inexpensive parts. When it came time to decide on a GPU, I looked at my budget, and decided that I wanted a card with decent gaming performance, AV1 encoding, and a moderate amount of VRAM. Of all the $200 options, of which there was ONE, I bought an ARC A750. It runs the games I play without issues. Not the card for everyone, but that is part of the fun of building computers. My small contribution to not feeding the beast(s).
In the end, you just fed another beast :|
@@pyro226theres always going to be a beast. Its about balancing the market and inspiring real competition which will ultimately benefit the consumer. If you keep feeding the 1 company that overcharges they have no incentive to stop fucking you over.
@@pyro226 Maybe 10 years ago. They're on the verge of becoming a footnote in hardware history if they don't get really competitive.
@@lunarvvolf9606 First preference is to buy used and deny all 3 of them a direct sale.
At this point, I'm just glad I got to be there for the golden age of gaming.
Software and feature subscriptions should be illegal unless there is an option to get unlimited access for a one time fee of 24 or so monthly subscription fees.
The worst I saw so far is BMW requiring a subscription for heated seats. So you had to pay a monthly fee to keep you butt warm in a car you own. After a public outrage they had to take that back. It was quite a PR disaster for them.
I have different thought. Moores law is slowing down, GPU's and CPU's become limited by their power consumption. Performance gains between generations of hardware becomes minimal. And when industry stops developing new technologies - anyone can enter the market using same silicon factories. Its like car industry: at first they were a rare luxury, but now any coutry can produce their own car. And GPU manufacturers will folow same steps: planned degradation with minimal repairability to force you buy more.
Spot on 🎯
Unless a new processing material is utilized, yes. Silicon is dead af. You can only shave nodes so far down.
I’ve been doing this since 2017 with my OG 1080ti :)
I'm on a 1660 Super right now, but I'm waiting to see what Battlemage brings before making a decision on my next card. I've switched a ton of times between AMD and nVidia over the years - it's good not to be a brand loyalist but look at what you're actually getting for your money
The worse monopoly these tech giants have (that NO ONE TALKS ABOUT!) is the monopoly on talented people who can build these amazing products. Without these people, there won't be any competition. The engineers at NVidia (and other tech giants) should leave the company and work together to create an open-source version of the product (or simply non-subscription version). The issue is: can you really tell someone, who has grinded through the education system with flying marks, crammed way more knowledge into the brain than that poor organ is ever evolved to take, and worked tirelessly just to get to the current position, to just pack up and leave? And live in a matchbox eating cheap food, just to code day-and-night 'for the community'? Let's even ignore whether this type of people exists (in quantity that will matter). If you think you are on the right team, you've got to have an answer for this question.
you need money to do anything, it cost billions to make a product.
Yeah im also voting with my wallet, so this gen i got amd and im very satisfied with my 7800xt purchase.
It isn't just the "Barrier of Entry", but also licenses - for many, building graphics cards simply isn't just hard, but impossible.
it's all about the dystopian future
I went with Radeon and regret it. Feels like I got outdated hardware. Also the dedicated GPU market Nvidia still has around 90 percent. The Steam hardware survey includes integrated graphics.
Here I was hoping that this video was going to talk about AMD's monster APU that is being released like (a year from now?). The one that allegedly will compete woth low-end GPUs.
I went AMD after Nvidia false advertised Gsync as working seamless with SLi when in fact they knew from internal testing it did not. They still kept saying they where going to fix it and its just a bug stringing me on for over 2 years till they dropped support for SLi.
AMD was stringing me along about fixing a bug with Miscreated and RDNA2 that is now going over 2 years. AMD is no longer working on the problem it will never be fixed.
I think in 2030 AMD will have such a strong showing in APU's that only people looking at numbers and not really playing the games, will buy Nvidia.
You cannot save people from themselves. We are doomed!
Forget about the we and you may save your self ☝️🤓
@@wikwayer - That is a deep thought. Yes, I can save myself by not buying, and finding another hobby until prices come down (and I did, I tried a gardening hobby for the last three years). But that is kind of the point of the Host’s video. If we all not buy, prices would / should go down. As I stated, you cannot save people from themselves. So, prices will not be dropping, and actually will be going up. Thus, we are all doomed when it comes to GPU prices. We won’t even go into the lack of competition aspects of this. So, when you say, “Forget about the “we” and you may save “yourself”, you are correct. Personally, I am giving up, and giving in after THREE to FOUR years of waiting for things to get better. I am considering an RTX 4090 purchase. “FTW”!
The problem is that AMD has done nothing to create a compelling value proposition.
Nice video thanks for the keys!
Im moving to AMD next purchase. For both the Linux drivers and the H++ power that plug that Nvidia is mandating.
Great video!
I recently went AMD RX 6750 XT as an upgrade to 1660 ti. Couldn't be happier, was not going to buy a 3060 and the 3070 didn't interest me at pricing. A CPU upgrade from 3600 to 5600X3D and I was in heaven on a budget. Still can't see myself upgrading to anytime in the next 12mo.
This is similar to how printer brands like hp and canon having cheap printers but expensive ink, while other brands like epson that have expensive printers but cheap ink. Making epson the cheaper choice for printing in the long run.
Buy, Hold and use Monero.
After buying the 7800xt, I don't think I'll ever need to buy another GPU again or get one of these subscription things. Paired with a 13600kf I can get about 100fps in just about every popular game of late, except alan wake 2, so if I then stick AFMF on I can get just about 200fps in every game which is just a dream. Escape from Tarkov in 160-200fps is a thing of beauty.
I still have not used steam and boycotted them when they forced online checks to play a game I owned.
If everyone did what I did we wouldn't be here now.
What game?
I find it hard to believe it would be one Valve controls... Steam is just a launcher after all.
@@x8jason8x HL2
Cool video thanks for the keys
thank you about the tips on the windows keys
Currently, I'm building a computer for the first time, and I would have preferred to put an Arc Series GPU in it. However, the machine learning programs that I use for work ***Require*** NVIDIAs GPU architecture. And that's the big problem, is that for data science and AI based tasks, all of the software is primarily built on the NVIDIA architecture and it's a pain to deal with.
Serious what the fuck am I looking at? RTX 7 Ti? What? RTX 6090? What?
Phone industry is already going a similar way, so it wouldn't surprise me to see any of the GPU companies doing subscriptions for software. I mean that's if they don't just do things like GeForce now...
Thanks for the windows promo!
The problem is they don't need us anymore. When you can sell an equivalent amount of silicone to some company for 40 to 60k, They really could care less anymore about the gamer until the A.I. bubble pops. And I don't see that happening anytime soon!
I'm hoping it pops within the next 3 to 5 years. Machine learning is currently very good at classifying data, but it struggles moreso with generating accurate data. Between customizing architectures for AI workloads and the limited rate of progress, demand will eventually stabilize, similar to the way that super computers aren't eating 100% fab capacity.
Great video. I use this site sometimes for Windows keys and it works.
If that future ever materializes, I have a huge backlog of games that will keep me busy until I die of old age 😅
Interesting stuff. Screw all this subscription stuff. It's everywhere now. Monthly fees for everything we do. I subscribe to Photoshop only because I have to. I don't care to learn another program, that I haven't been using for the last 28 years. I've always been an AMD guy though, and I think the midrange GPU market is where it's at, so I'm excited to see the 8800 XT arrive. I was hoping that before the world becomes dystopian, that I could build a powerful enough Ai computer, to outthink the oncoming destruction of society, lol. It's pretty far gone already.
Super cool!
Thank you for providing such an easy to follow, informative, and great video.
I switched to AMD and have no regrets, but completely agree, buying from Nvidia at this point in time is empowering them to really screw up the market. In the long term it wont be good for PC gamers. We have more power than we think, they can ignore our voices but we can vote with our wallets, the power to change the market lies with us.
I agree. Sadly, only 0.1% think like us. The rest just don't care.
Meh AMD sucks you’re not a great person because of what you buy.
Never said I was, and choosing AMD was just the less of all evils. Like he said in the video AMD or Intel would probably do the same if they were in Nvidia's position. The whole point of the video was to get across the message that we need healthy competition to keep the industry somewhat fair for consumers because if any one of these companies become the main company for graphics cards then it wont be good for us PC Gamers, as they will abuse that power as their main concern is making money @@ZackSNetwork
Well the problem here is that gamers think they are the big deal in terms of hardware and electronics..But the private market it so small compared to the industry and Im not talking about AI. Yes, vote with your wallet, thats how it should be and I did too, but dont think it means anything moneywise for Nvidia. They only care cause they have the policy of being the best in every sector.
Yeh good point@@Greenalex89
fuck that so hard. I'll crossfireX a dozen old GPUs together to game rather than do that. moreover most games I buy don't have high requirements.
I love your humor
Gaming will become entirely AI server based. It's coming. AI is growing SOO fast. I saw a video today showing near perfect AI generated video that had crazy accuracy and could transition seamlessly and even provide multiple camera angles of the same scene etc. AI video that was the nightmare fuel just a few years ago has already became near perfect with unlimited capabilities.
I miss 2017 when the best gaming GPU was $700 and Nvidia had a solid line-up of GPUs
nvidia is evil and only traitors buy their products
Before Christmas i got a 7900xtx for those reasons don't want to reward greedvidia and i don't really care about Ray tracing
Useful information! Thanks for the windows!
Yes yes even cars are "subscription based" now, not cool, not cool... but cool Win key discount 😉😉
Money is the root of all evil.
No money is neutral it’s what people do with it that matters. Before money it was things of value life cows, bigs, horses, land etc.
@@ZackSNetwork It's people, that are greedy and Evil.
Greed is the root of all evil*
@@xugo91 Nope. A little greed is healthy. Desire for power is the problem, money is a tool of that, currently, and greed is used against people in the form of FOMO specifically, in the PC community.
great video, i like windows 11
If they were to offer something more powerful than a 4090 that could peak my interest.
You are **so** incredibly cool (AND a cat lover to boot!! 😻😻😻). 👍🏼 I began watching with your Nvidia/AMD switch videos, and I subscribed to the channel then. Your comments about the corporate f*ckery that's currently taking place (and where it's most likely headed in the not-too-distant future) are as insightful as they are chilling. (80% of the reason I'm subscribed to Gamers Nexus is to listen to Steve rail about Nvidia. 😆) Keep the hits coming. If enough of you hold their feet to the fire, maybe consumers will eventually take a stand and things will change for the better. Meanwhile, I'm a proud and satisfied ARC A770 owner and anxiously waiting for Battlemage to come to market. Stay safe and be well.
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i could have already done that but i am not. i mean there are some game streaming services out there already. the problem is that i don't really game often enough and when i do, the games are usually esport titles that could probably run wo a gpu.
Capitalism has realized that the most profitable thing is to make everything a subscription.
Even if we all try our best in this framework, we are only delaying the inevitable. This doesn't just go for PC parts, it goes all the way to how we have to preserve our whole planet.
I'm fairly certain that feature is aimed more at crypto miners and generative AI farms, as opposed to the general consumer nor a prosumer, however that does not excuse this kind of "you will own nothing and you will like it" approach to product sales even if it's at the commercial level.
I vote with my wallet. Both nvidia 4000 and amd 7000 series are trash and I won't be spending money on any of them. Hope my 3080 will last as long as my 1080ti.
You will probably struggle with 10gb vram, Nvidia gimped the card
@@Dew4lk worst case, I have a friend who can help me swap the ram chips. I have done vram replacement on some older cards and am out of practice.
@@ZaPirate I saw a 3070 16gb mod. It worked, but it was unstable. Not only that, it also wouldn't utilize the extra VRAM.
I see what you are saying, and whilst there will be a huge number of suckers holding this up - i guarantee, you give me any hardware for free and lock some features behind a paywall, I will be cracking that sucker wide open and sharing a how-to across all my high seas sailing friends.
this just optional right? free for those that want it with all the gotchas and caveats, while the normal paid for versions are still available correct?
the more things change, the more they stay the same...
Love this video! Very solid!
I will not buy this, and neither will most people I think. So game devs will be forced to make games for older hardware that we allready have for a few years until we starve these guys out.
Yeah it's nuts 16gb card from ngreda in 2023 is 800 bucks. Keeping my vega 56 longer I want a next gen and or Intel card. Like a 8800xt 16gb for say 400 bucks
Damn those windows keys are hella cheap
I have confidence that we can do this but, will it succeed?
i don't know. I have gone AMD the last two gens and I feel fine about my decision.
maaaaaaan the time traveling 🤣🤣🤣
Every fiber of my entire being has so much disdain toward Jenson. He is such a cringe-lord.
GPUs are already subscription based, but you pay the subscription to the bank for the loan you took it to buy the overpriced GPU especially in not so wealthy parts of the world like Eastern-Europe. That future is already here and you don't have to time travel to 2030. Knock-knock. Good Morning guys!
or try saving up instead of going directly with the loan way. You didn't need it right away did you?
Hahaha. Saving up in Hungary for a GPU. Lowest GDP per capita in Europe with highest taxes in the world. You are so funny. We barely make it to month-month as an average worker here. 50-70%!!! of the paycheck goes in to food-housing and its the default here. Look up the median income. 13k/year is a baller paycheck here and a mid range GPU for example 4070 Ti Super costs 1200$ with 27% VAT[highest in the world](I just bought one) Yeah just save up... :DDDD We ain't having a life here in Eastern-Europe like you guys in first world countries. /rant over@@AlexWinExperiments
as always, nvidia doesnt give a rats ass about budget gamers. if you spend 600+, then nvidia will happily provide you decent quality products with features and energy efficency. Below that it's AMDs and now a bit Intels territory. If you want a budget card for 1080p gaming they have the best value for pure fps performance across the board. But to cry out to Nvidia they should deliver better budget cards goes against their market strategy. They want the whales, they want the big fishes. If they get a guy to pay 600 for a 4070 super, AMD needs 2 buyers for a 6700xt (roughly speaking). That's marketing. So while you sit here and say "they are losing customers" which is technically right, they arent losing money. As long AMD and Intel arent delivering top GPUs with all features every game has to offer and heavily undercut Nvidia, none of them will ever push nvidia from their throne.
but how much power would be needed to render images in a 2k monitor? i mean .... if every generation double their power then in one or two generations more we would have something so powerful that only bad optimized gamed would be the cause of bad graphics.
Im convinced that they already have the tech of the next 5 generations already at least they just delay it to milk the customers as much as they can with marketing gimmicks and resolutions. The next milestone will be 4k 165hz, then 240, then 500, then we get something like DLSS again, then we jump to 8k 60hz and so on, but trust me they could already release most of these like RIGHT NOW and they will force you out of 2k resolution in the next 10 years, 100%.
In regard of where Nvidia is heading and how they treat their AIBs, customers and youtubers I had to put my money where my mouth is and bought a Sapphire 7900xtx nitro+. It would just feel so weird and dirty knowing I supported Nvidia by buying something from them. For me it seems they are becoming one of those big global scumbag companies. Most casual gamers are not that interested in hardware I guess, so they wouldnt know this stuff (unless the prices are super high like rn), but if a company behaves in such a agressive monopolistic and anti consumer way, morality becomes a big factor in my decisionmaking for a purchase.
Oatmeal raisin cookies are GOATED! IDK why they always get so much h4te! I would easily pick oatmeal raisin cookie over most other cookies, any day of the week!
Ewww i would never want to subscribe for a graphic card
Nope, no. I rather stop gaming!
No need to.
Even mobile phone tiny GPU can deliver realistic graphics today. I'm sure that if graphics card manufacturers are going to do some subscription garbage, there will be game developers that don't want to support that.
By now, the 4060 and the 4070 easily should have been on top of the Steam chart. Nvidia literally didn't need the money from these GPUs. They needed the tension and the image to boost their AI business up to that sweet trillion and become a key player in the upcoming race. Gaming is previous gen to them. And, yeah, maybe they'll mellow a bit real soon, but I am glad they made me try AMD for a change (absolutely loving the 7800 XT, that being just my opinion of course). I really hope my next GPU could be from Intel, too, because it's fun not to get screwed as a gamer and to try different technology.
Nice :)
Honestly, the only issue I have now with switching to AMD is the fact that they don't have an equivalent card to the 4090 in terms of raw performance (I barely use RT if at all). I've been waiting for AMD to put out a 4090 equivalent so I can purchase that and be done switching, but it seems they've all but dropped the high-end now. That would mean that I have no choice but to pick a 4090 instead, despite me not really wanting to, just because I want the best performance for raw game raster performance. It is truly depressing IMO. I have been waiting for so long now.
Seriously it’s not that damn serious.
Yeah man, 4090 is just stupid expensive. Imagine paying that much for a gpu, its a rip off. Just get a midrange card and upgrade next gen. But if you dont care about wasting money then go ahead i guess.
What do you think you need a 4090 equivalent for? A 7900xtx user is objectively not getting any less fidelity than a 4090 user in 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999% of games... I don't understand this 4090 (or equivalent) obsession, truly.
Y'all do realize you don't need more than 16gb for gaming right? For people that want to stream and play on the same rig, or multitask, a 7900xt or hopefully battlemage will do the job easily.
If all you play is MFS and CP77, sure the 4090 is great. As long as it doesn't catch fire or crack from the absurd weight.
I can see live service GPUs being a thing in the future sadly.
P.S You totally have a husband in 2030... Just saying queen
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I recommended using these keys
AMD & NVidia are in bed with each other. Disturbing considering their run by brother and sister, but it does not stop it being true.
This makes too much sense. Now you’re giving Nvidia ideas.
wtf is an RTX 7 Ti? Lol
A subscription to a gpu isn't free what a dumb thumbnail, and the assumption that this is going to be the very next gpu after their current one is also stupid.
LUNA!!!!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂
i'ma say this here. you are beating a dead horse. adoredtv has be saying this for the past decade and no one is listening. he gave up and now says gamers are getting what they are asking for.
www.youtube.com/@adoredtv
All I currently want from amd is hdr recording in the amd adrenaline software.
as bent as a 9 bob note. Impossible to watch this.
Wow this video is TOTALLY FALSE. First, by gross income, its Nvidia 54% to AMD 46% with Intel down in the noise and not profitable. You forgot that the steam survey is a tiny slice of the GPU market, console sales are almost as large as total desktop GPU sales ... AMD owns that market ...
I think you misunderstood the premise. The video was talking about GPUs, specifically looking at PC Gamers (GPU breakdown, sentiment, past behavior and the scary reality of what's likely going to happen next in the market... Based on previous experiences and other industries).
But a video talking about the companies as a whole could be interesting. Where did you get those figures from? hopefully you can link a source
THIS IS THE GAYEST SHIT YOU WILL EVER HEAR IN YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
HEY DAD CAN I PLAY A GAME ON THE COMPUTER? SORRY HUNNY THAT WOULD BE 50$ A MONTH
It's just not cards and computers, it's everything. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
:-)
Ugh, Louis? The misanthrope who can't seem to understand that scraping and aggregating copyrighted video streams is against terms of service?
Or you could go watch some pro-union videos. That gives you something besides just bile to work with.
Louis political ideology is far worse. His idea is just do what ever the government tells you.
Wrong. The future us GPUs as a service. Your GPU requires a monthly subscription. 🙃
🤣🤣🤣 Nevermind. I guess you saw the same future I forsee. Had not watched the video prior to the original comment. 👍
The focus is predictable revenue streams with quarterly returns.
Also, I am guilty. I bought an Intel, AMD and an NVidia card in 2023... 🤷🏼♂️
But I still refuse to buy a card with 12VHPWR......
I buy a GPU that’s best for my wallet, not for the performance. I paid about £400 for my RT 6750 XT OC which is ok, it does what I need. I am just a casual gamer, I don’t play to be competitive. I will not subscribe to a subscription service, I would rather scrap my pc than do that. It’s getting ridiculous, people’s spare cash is going down ⬇️, but they think nothing of putting up ⬆️the prices. You will see the sales of GPU’s start to decline.
Regulators are always going after companies. Nothing new. And it doesn't mean that corporations do anything wrong. The government's always trying to get money so they can spend it.
Nvidia actually has been the true underdog over the years. And you can hate me for saying that.
AMD has CPUs gpus and consoles consoles amongst other server stuff.
Intel the same.
Nvidia has always had to be aggressive to stay on top. Otherwise, they would go under like many other companies have in the past.
Now there's more nuance to it than just that. But that is the truth.
Nvidia invested a lot of money in their technology and it paid off.
Consumers don't really care about much of what goes on in the corporate world.
They just want a product that works and does what they want it to do.
And that would be RTX GPUs.
It's funny how everyone's always talking bad about Nvidia.
But no one ever talks about AMD having a monopoly on the consoles.
And yeah handhelds don't count. But AMD has a lot of their chips in those too.
The future is AI and subscription services. Ugghh.